View Full Version : Shatting on the Constitution
alkemical
10-20-2006, 09:55 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901692.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
Court Told It Lacks Power in Detainee Cases
Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.
In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that "no court, justice, or judge" can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.
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TheDave
10-20-2006, 09:59 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901692.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
Court Told It Lacks Power in Detainee Cases
Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.
In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that "no court, justice, or judge" can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.
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Careful, talk like this could get you listed on the "Enemy combatant list" we wouldn't want you to just "Disappear"
alkemical
10-20-2006, 10:03 AM
Careful, talk like this could get you listed on the "Enemy combatant list" we wouldn't want you to just "Disappear"
Dave,
I often wonder what and where is the line. Part of me says i'm ok - i'm living in america - i can say this. The other part of me wonders if that is not the case - and i should worry - because this is no longer america.
Rohirrim
10-20-2006, 10:08 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901692.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
Court Told It Lacks Power in Detainee Cases
Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.
In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that "no court, justice, or judge" can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.
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This sounds like something Mugabe or Chavez would come up with. My country, shrouded in shame.
alkemical
10-20-2006, 10:09 AM
This sounds like something Mugabe or Chavez would come up with. My country, shrouded in shame.
This is another core issue for me Rohirrim. When all these people point to dictators and bad gov'ts - and not seeing the shiate that's going on "in my own backyard" - we must wish for a ruler to treat us like the serfs we are.
Rohirrim
10-20-2006, 10:17 AM
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
alkemical
10-20-2006, 10:19 AM
sad but true.
TheDave
10-20-2006, 11:17 AM
Dave,
I often wonder what and where is the line. Part of me says i'm ok - i'm living in america - i can say this. The other part of me wonders if that is not the case - and i should worry - because this is no longer america.
Realistically we aren't there yet... and hopefully the supreme court will strike this down as unconstitutional. The problem comes in if this stands, what does the next jerk-off do to build upon it. It's a slippery slope that could get ugly if we allow it to.
alkemical
10-20-2006, 11:47 AM
Realistically we aren't there yet... and hopefully the supreme court will strike this down as unconstitutional. The problem comes in if this stands, what does the next jerk-off do to build upon it. It's a slippery slope that could get ugly if we allow it to.
That's my position that I've stood on for a while TheDave. Alot of people here called me nuts, etc - but my position was about "today" it was about "tomorrow". If the supreme court can't or won't do the right thing - this is over.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2006, 04:33 PM
And it's probably too late to "vote" the bastards out at this stage of the game.
Dark days ahead...
:pity:
freak6
10-20-2006, 08:07 PM
Just imagine how it feels to have these traitors as your boss. I swore I would fight to defend the consititution of the United States.
Um...
Anyway, the really scary part is that he has 2 years left to do what he can with these insane laws. But scarrier yet, is the shortsightedness of these laws which will apply to any future President that could be as corrupt as Reagan, Bush I, or another moron.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2006, 10:09 PM
Just imagine how it feels to have these traitors as your boss. I swore I would fight to defend the consititution of the United States.
Um...
Anyway, the really scary part is that he has 2 years left to do what he can with these insane laws. But scarrier yet, is the shortsightedness of these laws which will apply to any future President that could be as corrupt as Reagan, Bush I, or another moron.
Don't you wish you had a nickel for everytime you warned people before the '04 election that this kind of thing was going to happen - only to be attacked as an "America hater?"
http://www.bartcop.com/mo-habeas-corpse.jpg
Rigs11
10-20-2006, 10:24 PM
Go Dems!! Take this country back and impeach the SOB!!
And it's probably too late to "vote" the bastards out at this stage of the game.
Dark days ahead...
:pity:
Looks like in truth they were voted out in 04. Thanks Diebolt!
alkemical
10-24-2006, 12:12 PM
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/bush-dictator.mpg
http://ccr-ny.org/v2/legal/Docs/MCA_Signing_Briefing_Paper.pdf
I do think that the Declaration of Independence spoke of such things, and how to correct them as a last resort.
here.....
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
alkemical
10-24-2006, 09:33 PM
Damn straight. It's my fav. part. :)
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 12:02 AM
I do think that the Declaration of Independence spoke of such things, and how to correct them as a last resort.
here.....
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
States pretty clearly what should be done with King George.
Don't you wish you had a nickel for everytime you warned people before the '04 election that this kind of thing was going to happen - only to be attacked as an "America hater?"
Did you warn people before '00? And 1996? And 1992? And 1988? And 1984? And 1980?
If not, then where we are now is in large part due to you.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 06:18 PM
Dave,
I often wonder what and where is the line. Part of me says i'm ok - i'm living in america - i can say this. The other part of me wonders if that is not the case - and i should worry - because this is no longer america.
Odds are some BushCo brownie hound on this board has already reported you (and the rest of us) to DHS for speaking out against Der Chimpenfuhrer.