Does anyone still think the Bears D is better?

[ZONA]

I never got to see the MNF game until tonight (business travel - yuk). I've said it all along. They're good but they've been playing the Lions and Packers and such. Then, they play a team that is 1 dimensional and they have fits. And I didn't see Fitzgerald play. That might have been worse.

Sorry but our D is the best right now. No questions asked.

[broncocalijohn]

I really dont care as I would take their defense with their offense right now. They have better balance and I think an easier schedule.

[TheChamp24]

The Bears schedule is a complete joke for a team that had a 1st round bye last year.

[Kaylore]

I'd take their D-line and Urlacher. I'd keep the rest of our defense.

[crazyhorse]

I never got to see the MNF game until tonight (business travel - yuk). I've said it all along. They're good but they've been playing the Lions and Packers and such. Then, they play a team that is 1 dimensional and they have fits. And I didn't see Fitzgerald play. That might have been worse.

Sorry but our D is the best right now. No questions asked.

What offense have you played?

I'm not so sure that the Broncos D has been tested. They may be that good, but have yet to prove it.

[Garcia Bronco]

We're tested.

the Bear defense is better than ours but I would not trade any of our guys for one of theirs.

[Spider]

I never thought the Bears D was better then ours . oh and goofy we have been tested , Check out the Rams this year , then get back to me on your sorry take .......

[Florida_Bronco]

As a whole I think our D is better.

[crazyhorse]

I never thought the Bears D was better then ours . oh and goofy we have been tested , Check out the Rams this year , then get back to me on your sorry take .......

Didn't the Rams beat you?
hmmm...

[-Slap-]

I would say when Mike Brown was there, it was a dead heat, but they're not the same defense without him. In 2004 their defense slumped badly when Brown was injured. Last year they went 2-2 down the stretch without him and Steve Smith utterly destroyed them in the playoffs with Brown hobbling.

[Spider]

Didn't the Rams beat you?
hmmm...

without scoring a touchdown .......... thats says volumes about our D .offense gave up the ball plenty of times and not 1 touchdown ....... I say they did thier job ...........But then if you paid attention you would have known this ......Yet another lesson from spider to chief fan

[crazyhorse]

without scoring a touchdown .......... thats says volumes about our D .offense gave up the ball plenty of times and not 1 touchdown ....... I say they did thier job ...........But then if you paid attention you would have known this ......Yet another lesson from spider to chief fan

I do pay attention. For example:

1) Coming into the game with the Donks the Rams were (by far) the worst team in the NFL in red zone scoring.

2) Bulger threw for 217 yards. Against the 49ers he threw for 185

3) Jackson ran for more yard in that game than any other game this season.

In "paying attention" that translate into the Rams moving the ball at will but not being able to score TDs. A problem they have had with most defenses.

As I said, tey might be a great defense, but the jury is still out. THey have to prove it against better competition.

[Mile High Shack]

I do pay attention. For example:

1) Coming into the game with the Donks the Rams were (by far) the worst team in the NFL in red zone scoring.

2) Bulger threw for 217 yards. Against the 49ers he threw for 185

3) Jackson ran for more yard in that game than any other game this season.

In "paying attention" that translate into the Rams moving the ball at will but not being able to score TDs. A problem they have had with most defenses.

As I said, tey might be a great defense, but the jury is still out. THey have to prove it against better competition.

yards are a BS stat, the only thing that matters is points allowed

[-Slap-]

I agree this defense still needs to prove itself against a better class of competition. The offenses we've met so far have either sucked or been limited for some reason.

St Louis with a new scheme.

KC with a backup QB.

Brady without any wideouts.

The pitiful offenses from Baltimore and Oakland.

[Barry Ramey]

Donks? Anyway, how could the Rams be the worst in the red zone coming into that game when it was the first game of the season? Especially with a new coaching staff. That's a flawed argument to say the least.

The Bears had troubles stopping a Cardinal offense that has no o-line and can't run the ball against anybody, against a rookie QB making his first start, and missing one of their top WR's.



I do pay attention. For example:

1) Coming into the game with the Donks the Rams were (by far) the worst team in the NFL in red zone scoring.

2) Bulger threw for 217 yards. Against the 49ers he threw for 185

3) Jackson ran for more yard in that game than any other game this season.

In "paying attention" that translate into the Rams moving the ball at will but not being able to score TDs. A problem they have had with most defenses.

As I said, tey might be a great defense, but the jury is still out. THey have to prove it against better competition.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Does anyone still think the Bears D is better?
Yep, even with Brown out. They have the best linebacker and Dline in the league.

[Mediator12]

1. The Linehan exception is bogus due to the fact that STL is 62% in the red zone outside of the 0-5 against the Broncos. Sure have Red Zone Problems Crazy ;D

2. BTW, DEN is 1-13 in the Red Zone. They have four Red Zone TO's forced and Two missed FG's as well. That is unbelievable and most likely no way sustainable. However, they are easily the best in the NFL when it counts.

3. NE's offense may not be Sexy, but they rack up 340 yards a game and average 22 points a game. Denver held them to a garbage TD and 15 points below their average at home on National TV.

4. Denver has held every team but the Rams 14 points below their Scoring average. The Raiders do not count since they only average 10 points a game anyway ;D


That being said, CHI does have a better Defensive team for the obvious reason of being able to dominate a game from the inside out. Their Front Seven is vastly superior to Den's and they give up only 4.1 yards per play (NFL Best), Have scored three defensive TD's, and are third in the league in sacks.

Den yields way more yards and therefore helps the ST's give the offense the worst starting FP in the NFL. Now, that stat is not that different in variance though as the difference from top to bottom is 33.6 (JAX) to 23.5 (DEN) so we are only talking about ten yards per drive. But a dominant Defense like JAX helps the Offense score more points by playing the FP game better.

ARI matches up very well in the passing game against CHI. However, they can not run the ball worth a crap and that killed them with a huge lead. The short west coast throws were money and they went away from their strength and played right into the bears. Do not let that lone game influence how well that defense plays. But yeah, they have not played many dominant offenses outside of a beaten up SEA either.

[Derger_Louis]

Sorry but our D is the best right now. No questions asked.

Slow down there buddy. Even though the Bears defense gave up some points to Arizona, they still came back and won. Do you honestly think that our defense/special teams could pull out the Win with Plummer committing 6 turnovers???

[Mediator12]

Slow down there buddy. Even though the Bears defense gave up some points to Arizona, they still came back and won. Do you honestly think that our defense/special teams could pull out the Win with Plummer committing 6 turnovers???

Only if the Defense scored Twice and Darrent took one to the house on a punt Return ;D

They kept Den in the game in STL and they were never more than one TD out of that game with Five TO's as well.

[-Slap-]

Den yields way more yards and therefore helps the ST's give the offense the worst starting FP in the NFL. Now, that stat is not that different in variance though as the difference from top to bottom is 33.6 (JAX) to 23.5 (DEN) so we are only talking about ten yards per drive. But a dominant Defense like JAX helps the Offense score more points by playing the FP game better.

This is a very misleading statistic. When your offense doesn't move the ball, you have very little chance of improving your field position on each ensuing drive, especially when your scheme on defense isn't an attacking style.

[Mediator12]

This is a very misleading statistic. When your offense doesn't move the ball, you have very little chance of improving your field position on each ensuing drive, especially when your scheme on defense isn't an attacking style.

The Problem is the offense is moving the ball slap, just not scoring worth a crap. They are 10th in average drive going for 30 yards per. Conversely, the defense is just 11th at 26 per drive despite being unbelievable in the red zone.

Also, Denver's offense got out of a bunch of Inside the five situations with first down's to improve the defenses FP this year.

The Problem is they are consistently getting 25 yard drives, but that is it. Only 5 drives over 40 yard all year and a bunch of TO's to hurt those as well.

[Drek]

We have the best back seven in the league and a acceptable, but not special in any way, line crew.

The Bears have the best front seven in the NFL, and a pretty good defensive backfield, even without Brown.

I give our LBs an edge, as our OLBs are both better while Urlacher and Wilson are a close matchup (I'd have to give Urlacher the edge though).

I'd say they're a better D with a healthy Brown. Without him? I'd take ours, but then I think we've found some capable pass rushers in Lang, Dumervil, and Chuckwurah that raises the level of our DL significantly.

[Mediator12]

I am not sure we have actually found a pass rush.

1. We did not sack Brady Again.

2. We only got Huard once with that KC OL.

3. STL is not that good at protecting Bulger.

4. We feasted on OAK's worst in the NFL OL's Backup RT.

Also, the Young CB's have been mediocre thus far. If they had just been average, DEN would be #1 In Pass yards surrendered.

[Orange_Beard]

We're tested.

the Bear defense is better than ours but I would not trade any of our guys for one of theirs.

Would you trade Urlacher for Wilson?

I would in a second. Wilson is very good, all-pro- Urlacher is great and a future HOFer.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Would you trade Urlacher for Wilson?

I would in a second. Wilson is very good, all-pro- Urlacher is great and a future HOFer.
Are you kidding? In a NY minute!!!!

[ludo21]

I wouldnt trade anybody but our DL for their DL..

[Garcia Bronco]

Would you trade Urlacher for Wilson?

I would in a second. Wilson is very good, all-pro- Urlacher is great and a future HOFer.

I would not....not for all the tea in China. Ulracher might be "better", but he's not Al Wilson

[Mediator12]

Why would you trade for Urlacher ???

They are the exact same type of player and Urlacher gets a bunch of leeway in CHI that he could not do in Denver with their DL.

Put Wilson in CHI's Defense and he gets Urlacher Numbers. Put Urlacher in Den's defense and he gets Wilson numbers.

[Orange_Beard]

I would not....not for all the tea in China. Ulracher might be "better", but he's not Al Wilson

I would trade Al for tea either, but Ulracher in a second.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I wouldn't trade Al for tea either, but Ulracher in a second.

ROFL! http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/13.gif

[Orange_Beard]

ROFL! http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/13.gif

Thanks for the fix

[doof]

I don't know what the infatuation with Urlacher is. He's a soft side-tackler who plays like a WLB. He racks up the tackles and he's always around the ball but he doesn't plug the hole as well as Al and he rarely even gets blocked, hell the second half of the MNF game he was practically untouched. Athletically he's definately the most gifted MLB in the game but I'd rather have a tough SOB who will get in a RBs face and not get run over.

[cmhargrove]

Urlacher is a great athlete in a great system. Any linebacker that has a dominating D-line will look spectacular because they are free to make plays instead of always taking on lead blockers.

Both Urlacher and Al are great linebackers, I just think Al has a special place on the team and his lleadership can't be denied.

BTW - I can't stand the fact that Urlacher cheated on his wife & screwed his family. Turns my stomach as much as when I heard Griese turned to the Dali Llama for help..... Hurl.

[Circle Orange]

Well if it's all about style points in the NFL, the Broncs should give away their wins and be a happy 0-5 (or 0-6, pick your flava)

You can do this dance every year, find stat categories to puff up or blow up the competition. Year to year, who knows if a team starts slow and finishes strong, or the other way around???

[freak6]

Not that Freakzilla knows anything, but I did say in the preseason we'd have the best Defense in the NFL, and I've been saying it every week. Last week almost everyone was still telling me the Bears D was better.

Without Jakes 2 idiotic interceptions we'd only be giving up 6 ppg.

[Derger_Louis]

Only if the Defense scored Twice and Darrent took one to the house on a punt Return ;D

They kept Den in the game in STL and they were never more than one TD out of that game with Five TO's as well.

That is true and I do believe Denver's defense is very good. I guess what I meant (my personal opinion) is that the Bears D can single handedly win games by themselves while Denver's D won't - We will keep it close and give our team every chance to win the game, but we need our offense to put points on the board to get the W.

[-Slap-]

The Problem is the offense is moving the ball slap, just not scoring worth a crap. They are 10th in average drive going for 30 yards per. Conversely, the defense is just 11th at 26 per drive despite being unbelievable in the red zone.

Also, Denver's offense got out of a bunch of Inside the five situations with first down's to improve the defenses FP this year.

The Problem is they are consistently getting 25 yard drives, but that is it. Only 5 drives over 40 yard all year and a bunch of TO's to hurt those as well.

That's the reality of a bend-but-don't-break defense that forces offenses to execute all the way down the field without making any mistakes. Go back 25 years and you'll see Joe Coller's better units performed under a similar blueprint.

If you want to completely smother people, you have to do so with a dominating pass rush that actually causes offenses to lose yardage or forces them into obvious passing downs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Urlacher is a great athlete in a great system. Any linebacker that has a dominating D-line will look spectacular because they are free to make plays instead of always taking on lead blockers.

Both Urlacher and Al are great linebackers, I just think Al has a special place on the team and his lleadership can't be denied.

BTW - I can't stand the fact that Urlacher cheated on his wife & screwed his family. Turns my stomach as much as when I heard Griese turned to the Dali Llama for help..... Hurl.
How did he "screw" his family? Wasn't he separated from his wife?

[Mediator12]

Urlacher is a great athlete in a great system. Any linebacker that has a dominating D-line will look spectacular because they are free to make plays instead of always taking on lead blockers.

Both Urlacher and Al are great linebackers, I just think Al has a special place on the team and his lleadership can't be denied.

BTW - I can't stand the fact that Urlacher cheated on his wife & screwed his family. Turns my stomach as much as when I heard Griese turned to the Dali Llama for help..... Hurl.

BTW, you do know Al Wilson has a son out of wedlock and rarely gets the opportunity to see him enough don't you?

I love Al Wilson, but we all have a our character flaws. Hating on someone because they have made mistakes is really counterproductive. It is what they do afterwards that really matters.

[-Slap-]

The majority of pro athletes are unfaithful.

[Elway 4 Life]

The only player on ther D that I would want is Harris. IMO he is the best player on that defense. He is an animal that is only gonna get better.

Al is the man and I wouldnt trade him for urlacher unless chicago gave us there 1st picks for the next couple years.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The majority of pro athletes are unfaithful.

Come on now Slappy. The Chamber of Commerce will run your out of town.

What Happens In Las Vegas Stays In Las Vegas ;D

[Taco John]

Not that Freakzilla knows anything, but I did say in the preseason we'd have the best Defense in the NFL, and I've been saying it every week. Last week almost everyone was still telling me the Bears D was better.

Without Jakes 2 idiotic interceptions we'd only be giving up 6 ppg.

You're starting to get up there with Mock and Gonzolays in sheer volume of "I said" comments. Are you guys in a race or something?

[Mediator12]

The majority of pro athletes are unfaithful.

Possibly, but it does not make it a good thing.

I have not seen the NFL numbers recently, but they are not that far removed from the general Population despite the perception that they are.

[DB-Freak]

That's the reality of a bend-but-don't-break defense that forces offenses to execute all the way down the field without making any mistakes. Go back 25 years and you'll see Joe Coller's better units performed under a similar blueprint.

If you want to completely smother people, you have to do so with a dominating pass rush that actually causes offenses to lose yardage or forces them into obvious passing downs.

That's why I'm not so sure if this is a dominating defense at all. They are just pulling plays out of their asses or just tightening up at the last moment.

Our offense sucks, but the field position they have dealt with hasnt been great at all.

[broncosteven]

That's why I'm not so sure if this is a dominating defense at all. They are just pulling plays out of their asses or just tightening up at the last moment.

Our offense sucks, but the field position they have dealt with hasnt been great at all.

Urlicker got credit for 25 tackles & Briggs had 16 I believe. That tells me that the Cards were running at both those guys. UrLicker did the same thing in the Viks game when they were getting run on & Johnson was managing the drive to close the game out for a gamewinning FG UrLicker got a stop & was able to hold up his man long enough to get his arm in & strip the ball. If you do that early & miss you can give up a big play. He has done it in the past, got to respect that he fights for it & does not give up.

Their Secondary is suspect & will be interesting to see how they do now with Brown out for year. I thought they may keep him for playoffs but he is on IR.

[-Slap-]

I begged Shanahan to move up a couple spots and draft Urlacher. I pouted about that for over two years.

I'm perfectly content with Al Wilson, though. He fits our defense extremely well and he's not as expensive as Urlacher.

[watermock]

Crazy, the St. Louis loss was more about our pathetic offense than a defensive collapse. Christ, they had to kick 6 field goals. I started screaming for changes over two weeks ago, and you know what change should be tried first. All of us wanted Jake to have a banner year for several reasons. Let Jay develop, not be thrown into the fray too soon yada yada yads. Well, we have watched some rookie and young players step up to the pump and I don't think any have anything on Jay, but, of course, the proof is on the field, not speculation.

My opinion is that first, can it get worse, and second, he can always be sat back down if he struggles mightily. I sense that the kid is mentally tough after fighting the tides of war in the brutal SEC as a FOUR year starter with literally, crap all around him.

That Chicago game was the oddest thing I have ever seen. I was napping so I didn't see the first half, but when you turn the ball over 6 times and never score an offensive touchdown, well...I've never heard of that before.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'm perfectly content with Al Wilson, though. He fits our defense extremely well and he's not as expensive as Urlacher.

And he looks like a real MLB except he needs to black out a couple of teeth when he gets in front of the camera

[broncocalijohn]

I do pay attention. For example:

1) Coming into the game with the Donks the Rams were (by far) the worst team in the NFL in red zone scoring.

2) Bulger threw for 217 yards. Against the 49ers he threw for 185

3) Jackson ran for more yard in that game than any other game this season.

In "paying attention" that translate into the Rams moving the ball at will but not being able to score TDs. A problem they have had with most defenses.

As I said, tey might be a great defense, but the jury is still out. THey have to prove it against better competition.

How about field position einsten? RAMS had the ball on our side of the field to start drives many times. Our defense held them to field goals. I thought it was already proven that our D is one of the best.... one of the best.

[crazyhorse]

I am not sure we have actually found a pass rush.

1. We did not sack Brady Again.

2. We only got Huard once with that KC OL.

3. STL is not that good at protecting Bulger.

4. We feasted on OAK's worst in the NFL OL's Backup RT.

Also, the Young CB's have been mediocre thus far. If they had just been average, DEN would be #1 In Pass yards surrendered.

So you're saying.....they haven't been tested?

[crazyhorse]

How about field position einsten? RAMS had the ball on our side of the field to start drives many times. Our defense held them to field goals. I thought it was already proven that our D is one of the best.... one of the best.

I have to admit, when you call me "einsten", it makes me feel smart.

As for the rest of your post....that's cool with me. If you think the Broncos 2006 defense has been tested you have every right to your position.

[Garcia Bronco]

When you make it 5 games against NFL competition and only surrender one TD...it ain't an accident

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I have to admit, when you call me "einsten", it makes me feel smart.

That's good because there isn't anything in your posts that would make you feel that way.

[Spider]

How about field position einsten? RAMS had the ball on our side of the field to start drives many times. Our defense held them to field goals. I thought it was already proven that our D is one of the best.... one of the best.

LOL I dont like your politics , but damn your football takes are on the money ;D we will get past the politics

[Mile High Shack]

I have to admit, when you call me "einsten", it makes me feel smart.

As for the rest of your post....that's cool with me. If you think the Broncos 2006 defense has been tested you have every right to your position.

they have been tested against the Pats

but that's about it

[dbroncos78087]

I still think that the Bears have a great defense, but our defense is very good, and has been. This year we are off to the record setting pace though.

[Spider]

That's good because there isn't anything in your posts that would make you feel that way.
LOL

[Arkie]

The Bears schedule is a complete joke for a team that had a 1st round bye last year.

The NFC North's schedule is a joke. The Bears have to play the 1st place teams in whatever divisions are assigned to the NFCN.

[NFLBRONCO]

Our D has not been tested period we will find out against Indy how good our D really is. If we can hold Indy to 21 or less points I'll be really stoked about our D. We have done great things on D this year no doubt though I'm not getting carried away yet.

[TomServo]

its way too damn early to even judge a teams place in history. i remember some '80s eagles teams with reggie white that were damn scary early in the season but faded at seasons end. even if we do go all the way with this D does anyone really think we'll get the respect of the ravens or bears SB defenses?

[ZONA]

Okay, let me throw a few more things out there for my reason why I think Denver's D is better.

1) Our offense hasn't stayed on the field much at all, forcing our D to be on the field a hell of alot more then Chicago's. We're gonna give up more yards simply due to the amount of time they have been on the field.

2) Um, I don't know - talk of breaking records more then 50 years old sounds like that might be a reason to think this D is better.

3) Who was it that said Denver's D won't win a game for you but Chicago's would? HELLO. That's the only damn reason the Broncos are 4-1 IS because of the Defense. We come up with the big plays when we need it and the #1 factor, we keep teams from scoring.

4) Yes - it may not seem like it but the record of Denver's opponents vs Chicago's.......well let's just say there's a huge margin there.

Who cares if they have a better D line. We have a better secondary. It's not about that. It's about the play as a unit. I would love to have seen the Bears offense put out as much as our offense and see where the Bears would be. There's no pressure on them at all. They can just tee off. Our D has the pressure of the world on them and they know if they give up a TD, that could very well be the game.

Our D is better - period.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Denver's defense is better than Chicago's. Chicago got used by a rookie QB:rofl: , without their best WR. You can say anything you want about the Broncos D, but when we faced a inexperienced QB, we dominated him.

[crazyhorse]

As was stated in this thread, the Denver defense had not really been tested. Now they have. They recieve an F for thier efforts.

It can happen to any D on any Sunday. But I think we all have a better understanding of the Denver defense after todays game.

[SteveTensi13]

Chicago is light years ahead of Denver in terms of defensive ability. They have no weaknesses. Urlacher is a one man wrecking team. Outside of Bailey we don't have any playmakers on defense. A CB can only do so much for a defense and his performance is dependant on a good DL.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Okay, let me throw a few more things out there for my reason why I think Denver's D is better.

1) Our offense hasn't stayed on the field much at all, forcing our D to be on the field a hell of alot more then Chicago's. We're gonna give up more yards simply due to the amount of time they have been on the field.

2) Um, I don't know - talk of breaking records more then 50 years old sounds like that might be a reason to think this D is better.

3) Who was it that said Denver's D won't win a game for you but Chicago's would? HELLO. That's the only damn reason the Broncos are 4-1 IS because of the Defense. We come up with the big plays when we need it and the #1 factor, we keep teams from scoring.

4) Yes - it may not seem like it but the record of Denver's opponents vs Chicago's.......well let's just say there's a huge margin there.

Who cares if they have a better D line. We have a better secondary. It's not about that. It's about the play as a unit. I would love to have seen the Bears offense put out as much as our offense and see where the Bears would be. There's no pressure on them at all. They can just tee off. Our D has the pressure of the world on them and they know if they give up a TD, that could very well be the game.

Our D is better - period.
Well, I think this question has run it's course.