Plummer: offense not conservative

[Taco John]

Plummer: offense not conservative


By FRANK SCHWAB THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD - Jake Plummer isn’t going to start a mutiny.

The Denver Broncos quarterback said he is frustrated, like everyone else on the team, at how the offense has played through five games. Unlike receiver Javon Walker, who said he wanted the ball more and insinuated the playcalling wasn’t taking advantage of his ability, Plummer didn’t request changes.

“I’m not going to tell a guy — Mike Shanahan’s been a genius in this league on the offensive side and as a coach — to tell him what to do,” Plummer said. “As a team you have to stick together and that’s what we’re doing.”

Both Plummer and Shanahan said the play-calling hasn’t been too conservative. Plummer said he didn’t feel his hands were tied by the plays. Denver, which ranks 30th in the NFL in scoring at 12.4 points per game, had only 35 passing yards in the final three quarters against Oakland and has only one 200-yard passing game this season.

“It’s not, ‘Oh, let’s put in a whole new offense,’” Plummer said. “It’s just, ‘Let’s tweak the little things, focus in on what we’re not doing right and all 11 of us try to get on the same page.’”

Shanahan pointed to Walker’s big plays as evidence that the offense hasn’t been too conservative. Walker leads the AFC with 19.4 yards per catch.

“Anybody who knows anything about football knows that if you have the leading receiver, at least in the AFC, in yards per attempt, you might be trying to throw the ball too much downfield,” Shanahan said. “It goes back to execution. You don’t average 20 yards a reception and be conservative.”

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[WoodMan]

Well, lets hope that they "Tweak" enough little things so we don't see any more 6 yard halfs like we did against the Ratbirds.

[watermock]

Ugg.

[watermock]

Shanahan is getting too wrapped up in damage control in the media.

I don't even care if he doesn't talk to the media. Fix the damn offense. Being in denial and spinning crap isn't going to change the fact we SUCK.

Let Coyer worry about the D, and whoever worries about special teams do that.

The offense is horrible and he knows it. Or should.

35 passing yards in the final three quarters against Oakland

Are you ****ing kidding me?

We have 13 on the board, get 35 yards in 3 quarters and what was his comment again? THIRTY FIVE YAR4DS! IN THREE QUARTERS. AT HOME.

[Popps]

Just watched the game again.

There were basically two plays that I would have called definitely "conservative."

Outside of that, I'm not sure what people want. We saw a couple of bombs, and end-around, a fake end-around... and your basic mix of run/pass that we usually see, including some boots.

My only request would have been to see Jake out of the gun, again. We used it against NE and it helped keep the pressure off him. Teams are coming after him hard this year. I thought that helped counter that nicely, but we haven't seen it much outside of a little in the K.C. game.

Also keep in mind, we had a dropped TD pass that gives us a 17-0 half-time lead, and a couple of third downs that could have been converted that weren't.

One other observation, Shanahan went back to the EXACT same play where Sapp dropped the ball on 3rd and 1, and he converted. Not what you'd call conservative.

Like Shanahan pointed out, your average fan has no idea what he/she's watching... no clue. I'm not remotely claiming to have a full grip on our complex offense. But, I am telling you that the play-calling wasn't conservative outside of maybe two plays.

Here's a possibility, maybe it's not conservative... maybe we're just calling the WRONG plays. Teams often struggle under new coordinators fora bit.
Does Dinger have a feel for game-day play-calling with this offense like Kubiak did? Unlikely.

Then, there's certainly execution problems.. but in a second viewing of the tape, I saw a lot of Jake going through progressions and finding no one open. He had one bad throw and one kind of bad.

But, those looking for a quick answer to what's ailing the offense might not find one. It could be, and probably is many factors.

[watermock]

Shanahan is making more exxcuses than Clinton and his stained dress episode. You don't have 35 yards passing in 3 quarters and minimize it! Excuse me.

Evidently it will take Manning laying 35 on us to wake him up. He's in some sort of dream world.

[watermock]

Yeah, only two plays you would call conservative. Everyone on the board has said it was conservative. Everyone. I think it was more piss poor execution. Regardless, name any other long passes other than the ONE Javon hauled in.

It's allready been established we passed for 35 yards in the final 3 quarters.

[Taco John]

I don't think it's fair to call the running game conservative. I've never seen us run a more imaginative running set in all the time I've been a Broncos fan. We're doing about everything we can on the ground to try and confuse the defense and get some tough yards.

[Northman]

Plummer: offense not conservative


By FRANK SCHWAB THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD - Jake Plummer isn’t going to start a mutiny.

The Denver Broncos quarterback said he is frustrated, like everyone else on the team, at how the offense has played through five games. Unlike receiver Javon Walker, who said he wanted the ball more and insinuated the playcalling wasn’t taking advantage of his ability, Plummer didn’t request changes.

“I’m not going to tell a guy — Mike Shanahan’s been a genius in this league on the offensive side and as a coach — to tell him what to do,” Plummer said. “As a team you have to stick together and that’s what we’re doing.”

Both Plummer and Shanahan said the play-calling hasn’t been too conservative. Plummer said he didn’t feel his hands were tied by the plays. Denver, which ranks 30th in the NFL in scoring at 12.4 points per game, had only 35 passing yards in the final three quarters against Oakland and has only one 200-yard passing game this season.

“It’s not, ‘Oh, let’s put in a whole new offense,’” Plummer said. “It’s just, ‘Let’s tweak the little things, focus in on what we’re not doing right and all 11 of us try to get on the same page.’”

Shanahan pointed to Walker’s big plays as evidence that the offense hasn’t been too conservative. Walker leads the AFC with 19.4 yards per catch.

“Anybody who knows anything about football knows that if you have the leading receiver, at least in the AFC, in yards per attempt, you might be trying to throw the ball too much downfield,” Shanahan said. “It goes back to execution. You don’t average 20 yards a reception and be conservative.”

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So you mean all the people who said he went conservative in the second half against the Raiderettes were wrong? No way dude! Thats not possible on the Mane!

[OC1981]

I know that Shanny is not one to change what he's doing because of media pressure but I have a feeling that the offense is going to light up the Browns....I hope so anyway.

[Kaylore]

I don't think it's fair to call the running game conservative. I've never seen us run a more imaginative running set in all the time I've been a Broncos fan. We're doing about everything we can on the ground to try and confuse the defense and get some tough yards.
We do run out of a lot of different formations and we've seen the toss, draw, end around and even QB keeper in the last couple weeks. The situations we've used those in has thrown some people off. No, I'm not worried about the run game, but then when have we ever needed to? :notworthy

[Kaylore]

I know that Shanny is not one to change what he's doing because of media pressure but I have a feeling that the offense is going to light up the Browns....I hope so anyway.

I hope so too. I hope it's not a bunch of guys fighting the ball. Sometimes wanting to be productive on offense can make you push for plays that aren't there and then that just translates into more failure. If Jake is on his game, the rest of the crew needs to just hit their assignment and let the opportunities come.

[orinjkrush]

I don't know if its play calling or execution. But I like it when Jake uses his legs to "get into the game" and pump his confidence up. I think that shows in his passing later.

[OrangeShadow]

The running game has been much more creative this year,i hope they can tweak the passing game a little bit to

[Circle Orange]

Well, you've got to admit...long passes in this offense are exciting! It's thrilling never knowing what may happen! :yayaya:

[Mile High Shack]

our running game is fine

it's our horrible, horrible, horrrible passing game that is keeping our offense down.

Jake has seriously got to get back to the form he showed last year, but my fear is, the Cutler talk, the lack of production, fans booing him, he is going to start pressing too much and play even worse if that is possible.

We'll see though, if he plays better on the road, then my theory of all the booing is getting to him.

[-Slap-]

At least Jake is correct in that the offensive gameplan is less of an issue than his own wretched performance from week to week.

[SportinOne]

our running game is fine

it's our horrible, horrible, horrrible passing game that is keeping our offense down.

Jake has seriously got to get back to the form he showed last year, but my fear is, the Cutler talk, the lack of production, fans booing him, he is going to start pressing too much and play even worse if that is possible.

We'll see though, if he plays better on the road, then my theory of all the booing is getting to him.

We're still blaming it on Jake?

[Rascal]

I just like to point out that they said it hasn't been too conservative, they never said it wasn't conservative.

Plummer: offense not conservative


By FRANK SCHWAB THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD - Jake Plummer isn’t going to start a mutiny.

The Denver Broncos quarterback said he is frustrated, like everyone else on the team, at how the offense has played through five games. Unlike receiver Javon Walker, who said he wanted the ball more and insinuated the playcalling wasn’t taking advantage of his ability, Plummer didn’t request changes.

“I’m not going to tell a guy — Mike Shanahan’s been a genius in this league on the offensive side and as a coach — to tell him what to do,” Plummer said. “As a team you have to stick together and that’s what we’re doing.”

Both Plummer and Shanahan said the play-calling hasn’t been too conservative. Plummer said he didn’t feel his hands were tied by the plays. Denver, which ranks 30th in the NFL in scoring at 12.4 points per game, had only 35 passing yards in the final three quarters against Oakland and has only one 200-yard passing game this season.

“It’s not, ‘Oh, let’s put in a whole new offense,’” Plummer said. “It’s just, ‘Let’s tweak the little things, focus in on what we’re not doing right and all 11 of us try to get on the same page.’”

Shanahan pointed to Walker’s big plays as evidence that the offense hasn’t been too conservative. Walker leads the AFC with 19.4 yards per catch.

“Anybody who knows anything about football knows that if you have the leading receiver, at least in the AFC, in yards per attempt, you might be trying to throw the ball too much downfield,” Shanahan said. “It goes back to execution. You don’t average 20 yards a reception and be conservative.”

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[llayne]

First of all, I fully am aware there are grammar and spelling issues in this post. Secondly, I' am sorry about that. While I havn't offered any opinon on the Pummer/Cutler or the whole offense thing so here is my opinion regarding both of them. I don't think the Broncos have ever had a persay quick strike offense like the old Rams. For some reason it seems people are thinking we use to have drives of 2 minutes for touchtowns. THe typical Broncos drive kills time and keeps the D off the field. This requires consistant exertcution.The Broncos game plan has always been run, run run, then boot. A whole lot of consistincy mixed in with the big play. This year we don't have the consistancy to always go for the big play. As for the Raiders game. I think after we held them to a field goal Shanny just wanted to see if he could run the ball down the Raiders throat and kill the clock. The problom is we are just making mistakes, and Plummer isn't Elway, but Cutler isn't the answer yet. Guys, I know everyone is talking about Linheart and Young, but lets remember this. Green's offense has more often than not been able to plug QB's in. With the Vikings they went through a lot of QB's who did well with the supporting cast. S.O.B. had an okey rookie year; however, he never had the year the Vikign QB's put up. I think Shannys offense is much more complicated than Green's. As for Young, doing well. I havn't watched any games, but I have a feeling they arn't making him do to much. Another thing is I' am sure the Broncos offense calls for a lot of pre-snap reads, and while Plummer isn't great at it he has ten plus years of experience of doing it. I think Cuttler might be an improvment next year, maybe this year, but what if we started Cuttler and he was horrible? It would be hard to go back to Jake after that. We would have completly snubbed the D and shot our self in the foot. Plummer at the starting QB is the best chance we would have for the big dance.

[Dukes]

I know that Shanny is not one to change what he's doing because of media pressure but I have a feeling that the offense is going to light up the Browns....I hope so anyway.

I hate having a negative outlook, but we all thought the same thing last week when we hosted Oakland.

[Paladin]

Just watched the game again.

There were basically two plays that I would have called definitely "conservative."

Outside of that, I'm not sure what people want. We saw a couple of bombs, and end-around, a fake end-around... and your basic mix of run/pass that we usually see, including some boots.

My only request would have been to see Jake out of the gun, again. We used it against NE and it helped keep the pressure off him. Teams are coming after him hard this year. I thought that helped counter that nicely, but we haven't seen it much outside of a little in the K.C. game.

Also keep in mind, we had a dropped TD pass that gives us a 17-0 half-time lead, and a couple of third downs that could have been converted that weren't.

One other observation, Shanahan went back to the EXACT same play where Sapp dropped the ball on 3rd and 1, and he converted. Not what you'd call conservative.

Like Shanahan pointed out, your average fan has no idea what he/she's watching... no clue. I'm not remotely claiming to have a full grip on our complex offense. But, I am telling you that the play-calling wasn't conservative outside of maybe two plays.

Here's a possibility, maybe it's not conservative... maybe we're just calling the WRONG plays. Teams often struggle under new coordinators fora bit.
Does Dinger have a feel for game-day play-calling with this offense like Kubiak did? Unlikely.

Then, there's certainly execution problems.. but in a second viewing of the tape, I saw a lot of Jake going through progressions and finding no one open. He had one bad throw and one kind of bad.

But, those looking for a quick answer to what's ailing the offense might not find one. It could be, and probably is many factors.

Right on!!!!!

[jonny1]

Yeah, only two plays you would call conservative. Everyone on the board has said it was conservative. Everyone.


Well, it must be true then . . . :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ScottXray]

Well, it must be true then . . . :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Okay......
We WEREN'T conservative. It, clearly, is that the entire Offense, from Jake, all the way down to the towel boy in the locker room, SUCKS really, really bad. Why,we must have the worst offense in the entire league, except Oakland of course.

What other reason could there be for only throwing seven passes in the second half? :rofl:

[RunSilentRunDeep]

The running game has been much more creative this year,i hope they can tweak the passing game a little bit to

Great point, perfect example was the QB sweep against Ravens. After that, Jake was a different guy. Shanahan signed from Arizona cause he liked the fact he was a playmaker, so let him loose. With this year's defense, I'll take the Jake that passed for 4,000 yards, 27 TDs and I'll live with the 20 picks.

[freak6]

I know that Shanny is not one to change what he's doing because of media pressure but I have a feeling that the offense is going to light up the Browns....I hope so anyway.

I don't because as soon as we get a 10 pt lead, Shanny will stop being aggressive, and ride it out for the W.

[Sodak]

Just watched the game again.


Like Shanahan pointed out, your average fan has no idea what he/she's watching... no clue.


I've been waiting for someone here to say this for a long time. Odd that it was Shanahan...

[Barry Ramey]

While many think Plummer is the worst QB to ever play, reality is their best WR is new to the system, Rod Smith has slowed down, Alexander hasn't been much of a threat since he's been on the team, Scheffler is a rookie who has had typical rookie troubles, and Kircus has had some moments, but dropped some balls too. Sapp even dropped a sure TD last week. The ol-line has had some problems picking up the blitz and the playcalling I think at times has been questionable.

Easy to pin it all on the QB, but clearly the whole offense is struggling. Now back to the Plummer bashing and Cutler is ready to start in this offense. Whatever.

[Popps]

I've been waiting for someone here to say this for a long time. Odd that it was Shanahan...

Yep, he thinks you have no idea what you're watching, or me. He particularly aimed his comments towards the "QB only" crowd, for what that's worth.

[ClevelandBronco]

If there's a 38 point performance hidden deep inside this offense, I'm happy we haven't pulled it out yet. Leave it in there until we need it.

Four wins in a row are good enough against the opponents we've seen so far.

EDIT: I shouldn't say "five wins in a row" yet.

[ZONA]

It's a combination of several things I believe. I haven't seen anywhere near the normal amount of bootlegs for runs or even to crossing routes as in previous years. Jake is missing some wide open guys down field (I've watched tape and there have been open guys with no pressure on Jake and he just didn't see it). Some dropped passes. TE is almost totally absent from our offense.

At this point, I wouldn't mind a few trick plays, like a flea fliker or a fake punt. Scratch the flea fliker, Jake would throw a balloon about 50 yards and the wide open receiver would have to slow down and wait for the defender to catch up, and then jump to make a great catch rather then a TD in stride.

[orange 4 life]

plummer wont ever blame his line, he wont ever blame dropped passes, he wont blame new faces, and he wont blame coaches.

plummer always takes the heat like a man, and he always lets it fall squarely on his shoulders (like a true leader should) and deflects it away from others.

sometimes the heat should be on plummer, and sometimes it shouldnt, but him not complaining about a conservative offense (anyone can see that it IS a conservative offense) isnt any surprise.

its typical jake plummer.

[Northman]

plummer wont ever blame his line, he wont ever blame dropped passes, he wont blame new faces, and he wont blame coaches.

plummer always takes the heat like a man, and he always lets it fall squarely on his shoulders (like a true leader should) and deflects it away from others.

sometimes the heat should be on plummer, and sometimes it shouldnt, but him not complaining about a conservative offense (anyone can see that it IS a conservative offense) isnt any surprise.

its typical jake plummer.


Actually, i would just call that honesty. He puts the blame where it should be. :thumbsup:

[watermock]

It's funny when I get rolled for agreeing that we played conservative.
There are the same dimwits saying various things every week.


Jake isn't an idiot, just migided.
[plummer wont ever blame his line, he wont ever blame dropped passes, he wont blame new faces, and he wont blame coaches.


Wow...Jake isn't blaming the "coach"...he must of gone to the Michael Vick Scoole of Stupidity.

It's not the line. We gave wup two sacks, basically average. The running game didn't struggle. We didn't play from behind.