Tell me about the Browns

[elsid13]

It's Wednesday and I have no clue about the Browns. Does anyone have any insight about the team. I know the players names but I couldn't tell you about them expect they took Baltimore down to the wire.

[watermock]

We did brain scans on all the Browncos and came up completely empty.

[Bronx33]

Bernie kosar has been playing pretty good...










lol j/k too tell ya the truth i haven't even seen them play.

[watermock]

I heard on mike and MIKE in the Morning Golic is going to make a revenge appearance.

[elsid13]

I heard on mike and MIKE in the Morning Golic is going to make a revenge appearance.

Revenge for what???

[Bronx33]

Found this info...




The Denver Broncos defense has been a constant this season. On Sunday, the Broncos get another chance to jump-start their listless offense when they face the stumbling Cleveland Browns, an opponent they have dominated.

Denver (4-1), tied for first place in the AFC West, defeated winless Oakland 13-3 last week. The Broncos have allowed one touchdown through five games and 37 total points - easily the fewest in the NFL.
It's the first time a team has held the opposition to one touchdown or less in that span since the 1934 Detroit Lions shut out their first seven opponents.

The Broncos defense has had to be good for the team to have any success at all this season. Denver has scored only 62 points, tied for next-to-last in the league with Tampa Bay and only 12 more points than the Raiders.

"We will find an answer," quarterback Jake Plummer said. "Coach (Mike) Shanahan is one of the smartest offensive minds in the game."

One of the answers for Shanahan is getting more productive performances from Plummer, who completed and attempted his fewest passes this season when he went 11-for-18 for 102 yards last week. Plummer has three touchdown passes, five interceptions and a 63.1 passer rating through five games, ranking him 31st out of 36 NFL quarterbacks.

"Sometimes a lineman will make a mistake, sometimes a wide receiver will make a mistake, a quarterback will make a mistake," Shanahan said. "But as a group, to make an offense work, it's the whole group. And all the pressure will go to the quarterback because most people don't understand who broke down.

"I'm not going to tell people who broke down. Our job is to fix it."

Another solution for Shanahan may be getting receiver Javon Walker more involved in the offense. Walker, acquired from Green Bay in an offseason trade, has just 20 catches for 388 yards and two touchdowns.

"I feel like any time I get the ball in my hands something good can happen and I think more points can be scored," Walker said. "But like I said, I'm just executing the plays that are called right now."

While Denver has to improve its offense soon, the sputtering unit hasn't kept the team from being tied with San Diego atop the division, and a second straight favorable matchup this week doesn't hurt. The Broncos have won six in a row against the Browns franchise, dating to Dec. 8, 1991 before that team moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens.

The Browns (1-4), in fact, are largely responsible for the Denver defense they will be trying to solve this week. Former Browns Ebenezer Ekuban, Michael Myers and Gerard Warren start on Denver's defensive line, with veteran Kenard Lang also playing an integral role along the front four.

"It's going to be extra motivation going back," Ekuban said. "I think I speak for all of us when I say that we're excited and ready to play those guys."

In all, eight current Broncos are former Browns.

While Denver has won six in a row and 15 of 20 all-time matchups with against Cleveland, the teams have only met twice since the Browns were reconstituted in 1999. Sunday's game will be Denver's first in Cleveland since Nov. 7, 1993.

The Browns had a bye last week, but will be facing a second straight formidable defense as they return to the field. Cleveland fell 20-12 to Carolina on Oct. 8.

The Panthers' Julius Peppers was a nightmare for Browns quarterback Charlie Frye, as the defensive tackle had a sack, a forced fumble and hit Frye five other times. Carolina limited the Browns to 98 yards rushing and held Cleveland to four field goals by Phil Dawson.

Frye went 26-of-43 for 173 yards and two interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown. The 25-year-old quarterback has a league-high nine interceptions on the season.

Cleveland has topped 20 points only once in five games under offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, and has managed only 81 points all season.

"I'm not changing the offensive coordinator," said Browns coach Romeo Crennel, whose team is 2-3 all-time after the bye. "I've talked to players and coaches and we think our team has ability and we'll be able to get some things done. I think we can get some things straightened out. I don't think we're that far away."

Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. attended Tuesday's funeral for his brother Justin, who died last week at age 23 in Kansas City, Mo. Winslow, though, is expected to rejoin the team and be available to play Sunday.

[Popps]

The Browns rank out poorly on offense and defense as far as stats, but they're pretty scrappy. They lost to the Saints by 5, the Panther by 8, Baltimore by 1. Their only big loss was Cinci, and they actually stayed in that game for a while, as I recall. They also came back from a huge deficit to beat Oakland. (Given, it's Oakland.)

They're also coming off of a bye.

Moral of the story? Maybe a trap game. Especially as this team sits, pondering why they're 4-1, but not a sexy 4-1 and wonders about our match-up with Indy. Cleveland is a scrappy enough team to come in and if things get off to a bad start, give us some problems.

I expect us to handle them, but I also expect them to be a better test than Oakland was, even though I think Oakland has a respectable defense.

Droughns obviously comes in with a little something to prove, as well. Frye has crappy stats, but again... is elusive and can look good at times.

I hope we're taking this game seriously. 5-1 going into a tough stretch would be nice. The way San Diego is playing, we can't afford to drop games like this.

[elsid13]

I do know that Frye has shown promise, but has tendency to throw across his body, which should mean the secondary should have chances for INTs.

[watermock]

Revenge for what???

My bad, I was thinking of Bob Golic.

[Rich Karlis]

The Cleveland Browns are 4-8 following a Bye week.

[watermock]

How many knots does Jake have on his long rope before he reaches the hangman's noose?

I know this is a tough room, but damn...we need to get some sort, any sort of offensive chemistry going. 13 points isn't going keep cutting it. I will be happy if we just escape at this point.

[Bronx33]

How many knots does Jake have on his long rope before he reaches the hangman's noose?

I know this is a tough room, but damn...we need to get some sort, any sort of offensive chemistry going. 13 points isn't going keep cutting it. I will be happy if we just escape at this point.



Can we get through one thread without plummers future being brought up?

[Sassy]

I hate that it will probably be crappy weather...rain showers!

[ludo21]

MIKE BELL DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE DRIVE WAS!!

watch!

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?cid=5


and neither DID Alexander!! WOWW

[listopencil]

How many knots does Jake have on his long rope before he reaches the hangman's noose?

I know this is a tough room, but damn...we need to get some sort, any sort of offensive chemistry going. 13 points isn't going keep cutting it. I will be happy if we just escape at this point.

"Sometimes a lineman will make a mistake, sometimes a wide receiver will make a mistake, a quarterback will make a mistake," Shanahan said. "But as a group, to make an offense work, it's the whole group. And all the pressure will go to the quarterback because most people don't understand who broke down.


STFU.

[watermock]

Excuses are like assholes. I only saw one glaring weakness. Shanahan is minimizing. I didn't see Jake getting hassled alot. He took two sacks I think. It's hard to tell if the recievers are running poor routes, but I don't think Rod And Javon are greenpeas. You want to see crap route running, watch Moss on the tape. When he caught that long pass, I said in the chat room...well that's his one catch for the night. He then vanished.

Obviously, Shanahan isn't going to pull the trigger, shifting blame. Fine. You STFU. Plummer has sucked all year. He made one long pass Walker adjusted to.

[listopencil]

Excuses are like a-holes. I only saw one glaring weakness. Shanahan is minimizing. I didn't see Jake getting hassled alot. He took two sacks I think. It's hard to tell if the recievers are running poor routes, but I don't think Rod And Javon are greenpeas. You want to see crap route running, watch Moss on the tape. When he caught that long pass, I said in the chat room...well that's his one catch for the night. He then vanished.

Obviously, Shanahan isn't going to pull the trigger, shifting blame. Fine. You STFU. Plummer has sucked all year. He made one long pass Walker adjusted to.

STFU.

[Bronco Billy]

MIKE BELL DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE DRIVE WAS!!



When Mike Bell came to the Broncos he said that he grew up a Broncos fan. How can someone who grew up a Broncos fan (even though he was 3 at the time) not know about "The Drive"?

[listopencil]

When Mike Bell came to the Broncos he said that he grew up a Broncos fan. How can someone who grew up a Broncos fan (even though he was 3 at the time) not know about "The Drive"?

He said he grew up idolizing TD. Wrong era.

[ludo21]

When Mike Bell came to the Broncos he said that he grew up a Broncos fan. How can someone who grew up a Broncos fan (even though he was 3 at the time) not know about "The Drive"?



i was only -1 when the Drive took place, but i still know of it :thumbsup:

But as Listo said, he like TD, but still....makes ya think...

[Bronco Billy]

He said he grew up idolizing TD. Wrong era.

Nevertheless, how do you call yourselves a Bronco fan and not know about "The Drive"? I was born in '79, but I know about the "Orange Crush". I was only 4 when Elway came to the the NFL, but I know he was drafted by the Colts. Heck, Taco John's baby was born 20 years after "The Drive", but I'm sure he'll at least know of it by the time he's 23!

[watermock]

STFU.

Aren't you tough. Shanahan is minimizing and deflecting. Stupid osterich. You STFU.

[watermock]

When we are trapped at the 2 yard line with 5 minutes to go and dog bones are raining down around us....ugg...

[Crushaholic]

MIKE BELL DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE DRIVE WAS!!

watch!

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?cid=5


and neither DID Alexander!! WOWW

'Nique knew about the drive, and birthday boy Mike Leach even remembered some of the details...8')

[ludo21]

'Nique knew about the drive, and birthday boy Mike Leach even remembered some of the details...8')



I really miss Fox's Journals he did last year. Those were tight. :strong:

[Cleo McDowell]

about them browns...

[Tredici]

The Browns involved with The Drive and The Fumble are now The Ravens.

Cleveland sold out games every week and was the 8th largest TV Market in the U.S. when a broke Art Modell crawled out of town. The NFL bailed him out. Then he threatened Paul Tagliabue in showing the pictures of the two of them frolicking in the secret basement. A Lombardi Trophy was offered for the originals and the negatives.

Once Art had the hardware he crawled back in his hole.

Then Cleveland got a new team and eventually all their linemen migrated to Denver.

The End.

[Clockwork Orange]

When Mike Bell came to the Broncos he said that he grew up a Broncos fan. How can someone who grew up a Broncos fan (even though he was 3 at the time) not know about "The Drive"?

Mike Evans from 950 The Fan has worked in sports talk radio in this town for some time now. The other night on his show with Tatum Bell, he was remarking about The Drive and said that it was 97 yards.

I thought he should be fired on the spot just to show that 950 The Fan doesn't employ the painfully stupid, but then I remembered that they've got Scott Hastings on the payroll.

[broncocalijohn]

All I know about the Browns is that 8 former players of that team now reside in Denver. I know they hate the Broncos like I hate the Cowboys because of particular playoff game(s). I know that they havent beat us in the last 6 games. Their offense is as suspect is ours. I know their fans will be more passionate about this game then their own players could ever realize and disappoint the dog pound once again. I hope this tidbit helps in between Mocks no info posts.

[TheSportsGuru]

Pretty simple really...

Their numbers aren;t going to amaze you, but take them lightly and you'll get burned.

The O-Line has been a huge weakness. They have had 3 TD's called back on holding penalties this season, as well as a punt return.

3 of their losses are by a total of 14 points, and the game they did get pounded in Cincinnati, Chad Johnson left bleeding, David Pollack left on a stretcher, and two of Cincy's O-lineman went down and they really haven't been the same.

The D will hit hard, and they have a nice mix of youth and vets in the front 7. The DB's have been hurt, but both starters should return this weekend. Gary baxter is a steady player, but a bit of a wuss, while Leigh Bodden is one of the up and coming players in this league. Think of him as a 6'1" Darrent Williams, though not as fast. Aggressive, and a good decision maker. Brian Russell is their Lynch type safety and hits just as hard.

The wildcard is Charlie Frye. Dude just makes plays. He can try a little too hard sometimes and is prone to make mistakes. Braylon Edwards is going to be a nice receiver, and they like to try and go deep with him early in games. He has dropped 3 huge passes this year late in games that would have kept drives alive so that is something to watch for.

Kellen Winslow is turning into a decent TE, but the Browns coaching staff inexcusably takes him out on a lot of third downs. Our experience dealing with Gonzo and Gates should help us there.

We obviously know about their running game, and Droughnes will no doubt be running with a chip on his shoulder. Browns use multiple backs and like to bring in Vickers, the backup FB on thrid down. They have tried several trick plays involving Vickers this year, including a FB pass on 3 and inches in Carolina before the BYE week that nearly cost Maurice Carthon his job.

They have a good kicker and punter, so field position could be a key early. The fans in Cleveland are restless, so it will be important for the Broncos to keep them out of it, and better yet get them booing quickly to heighten the pressure. The atmosphere was electric during the Browns/Ravens game and nearly led the Browns to a win.

On the severe downside, NO CHEERLEADERS:egbgb:

Hope that helps!

[broncocalijohn]

about them browns...

Ive taken the Browns to the SuperBowl. Sometimes the Cosby kids come too.

BTW: That picture attached is me late night in Denver at hotel from a disturbing Saturday night from Sports Column. Just had my first beer since then.

[listopencil]

Aren't you tough. Shanahan is minimizing and deflecting. Stupid osterich. You STFU.

STFU.

[Rohirrim]

Marty Schottenheimer has been nominated as the honorary coach this week in Cleveland. He'll be on hand to show Romeo how much fun it is when the Broncos come into town and kick your ass.

They love us in Cleveland. Feel the love, baby. ;D

[Smiling Assassin27]

Greg Pruitt can still make all the cuts and Brian Sipe can still make all the throws...Gonna be a long day for the Orange Crush. Sam Rutigliano makes Mike Shanahan look like Bruce Coslett.

[55CrushEm]

All I remember hearing about the Browns is that they have the 31st overall ranked offense in the NFL.....if that is the case, it SHOULD be pretty easy for our defense, again.....

The Browns defense, on the other hand......I haven't heard much about.