If the Broncos would have drafted Lienart....

[crazyhorse]

...would they be starting him by now?

Just curious.

I would start him.

[yhova]

No, because its the same situation either way you slice it up. What would the difference be ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

...would they be starting him by now?
Just curious.
I would start him.
Just curious, why didn't you bet on your Chiefs last week so you could "clean up" again?

[OrangeShadow]

I fail to see what the difference would be as far as which qb to start if we had drated matt. In arizona the situation is almost hopeless with warner. You have a bad offensive line and not that good of a defense, why not start leinart and get him some time? Bottom line is we have a chance to really do something as a team,arizona doesnt.

[55CrushEm]

We couldn't have drafted Leinart......he was gone by the time it was our pick.....Uhh

[cmhargrove]

You can't argue with Lienert's winning ways at USC, but I am very excited for the future with Cutler. I think Jay will have just as good a career as Matt, partially because of the supporting cast. Shanaman has helped the careers of some of the best QB's to play the game and when Jay becomes "his guy" there will be some dust flying.
I think that Matt has one of the best receiving duos in football at his disposal, but the coaches surrounding him may be suspect.
I feel no loss in a Cutler vs. Lienert debate. I think we are in for some good times in Broncoland.

[bronco militia]

we're damn lucky to have Cutler.....what the **** were the Lions, Raiders and Bills thinking?!?!?!

[Mile High Shack]

doubtful since Culter is better to begin with

[Hotrod]

Is it fishing season or what?

[broncosteven]

Too bad the Chefs passed on both Cutler & Leinhart. I guess they have the QB of the future in Huard anyway.

[DenverBrit]

What's the difference?

[Paladin]

Of course the mullets would start him. Who else would they have? That francise has no vision, no fortitude, no intelligence and no gumption to make moves that would seriously improve the team. So, there nver was a danger that the mullets would ever get a francise QB.

However, if they continue to lose, they will get a shot at a weak-arsed, knee-less wonder form the University of Whoville who can throw the ball about 10 yards with great accurracy.


NOTE: Next up for KC: Another arse whooping from Sandy Eggo. WWWWHHHOOOOOOOHHHHHHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[-Slap-]

No, because its the same situation either way you slice it up. What would the difference be ?

A better quarterback in the lineup than we have now?

[watermock]

I still crack up when I see that avatar DenverBrit. I've seen it a dozen times and break out in tears laughing every time. What does that ballsy penguin think that Bear is going to do to him when he clangs those cymbals and stirs him from his nap while he's digesting the last penguin?

Never mind the reality that Polar Bears are in the arctic circle and penguins are in Antartica/Tip of S.America...I had questions about the validity of the photo from the start.

[watermock]

All I can say is that we saw 3 rookie QB's with less raw talent and possibly brains all succeed yesterday. This rookies can't start mantra is old school. Look...if Jake could at least pee into a colostomy bag I wouldn't be calling for his head.

On second thought, the bear is likely digesting a seal.

[Bronx33]

Your just like Lienart ( a f***** rookie)

[NaptownChief]

They wouldn't be playing him...They would be selling the same story that he needs time to develop before he could possibly reach the very low bar set by Plummer. Reality is that they both should be playing. Plummer has played like a rookie his entire career so why not actually put in the guy with more talent and has a chance to actually learn from the mistakes.

[Dukes]

They wouldn't be playing him...They would be selling the same story that he needs time to develop before he could possibly reach the very low bar set by Plummer. Reality is that they both should be playing. Plummer has played like a rookie his entire career so why not actually put in the guy with more talent and has a chance to actually learn from the mistakes.

Couldn't agree more.

[Circle Orange]

Cutler and Leinart probably have similar poise, but compared to Cutler Leinart is a noodle arm. And noodles are only good with chicken soup. :rofl:

[watermock]

Hmmm...right as I am slurping down some left over Lo Mein and Hot and Sour soup...

[watermock]

I wonder if Shanahan pulls the trigger this week. If Jay falls on his face, it's not like we can't put Jake back in.

[ScottXray]

If we had Leinart and WERE playing him, would we be saying..."Jeez, I wish we had drafted Cutler/ Young /a DE "

Shoudas, wishes and But's are worthless.

We still don't really KNOW what we have in JC! That , coupled with Jakes performances, is what is driving everyone crazy..

We have this shiny new toy...and Shanny won't let us take it out of the box, cause someone might break it!

Meanwhile our OLD toy has had two wheels come off, get back on, but has a lot of scratches on the paint and keeps pulling to first one side then the other. Its got a mind of its own and we never know which way the darn thing is going to go...although it has somehow managed to finish in front of 4 out of five other kids toys at the end of the race, each week.

Boy, the shiny toy sure LOOKED good at the store.

:wave:

.

[NaptownChief]

Cutler and Leinart probably have similar poise, but compared to Cutler Leinart is a noodle arm. And noodles are only good with chicken soup. :rofl:


Favre and Vick have stronger arms than Manning but we see how little that matters in terms of getting the ball to the intended receivers. You need an adequate arm to be successful but anything above adequate usually just leads to a QB that falls in love with his arm and forces too much.

[DenverBrit]

Favre and Vick have stronger arms than Manning but we see how little that matters in terms of getting the ball to the intended receivers. You need an adequate arm to be successful but anything above adequate usually just leads to a QB that falls in love with his arm and forces too much.

But sometimes you get lucky and draft a QB with a cannon AND accuracy.

We are all anxious to see the future.

[crazyhorse]

But sometimes you get lucky and draft a QB with a cannon AND accuracy.

We are all anxious to see the future.

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?

[ScottXray]

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?


Nope...youré wrong there...Leinart wouldn't be playing, because Jake , while playing badly , has only cost us ONE game. As Long as the defense keeps pulling turnovers out of bodily orifices , and we keep winning, Plummer keeps starting. As long as Shanny restricts the game plan to what it has been Jake won't kill us (by himself!) .

Sooner or later we are going to need to get some offensive points...when we do, either Jake will get it done or he won't. Then we'll find out if Cutler plays this year.

[Taco John]

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?




You're bad at this. The least you could do was show at least a modicum of knowledge about the Denver Broncos. It's like reading a sixteen year old trying to get a grip on the pros shooting off his mouth without really understanding any of the nuance.

This is the difference between you and Bob. Bob at least understands the basics.

[Paladin]

He IS 16, don't you see?

[jonny1]

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?

Quoted for complete inaccuracy . . . :rofl:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You're bad at this. The least you could do was show at least a modicum of knowledge about the Denver Broncos. It's like reading a sixteen year old trying to get a grip on the pros shooting off his mouth without really understanding any of the nuance.

This is the difference between you and Bob. Bob at least understands the basics.
This is why I never respond on topic to this fool. Hard to believe so many here don't see what his only purpose coming here is.

[Hulamau]

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?

You apparently don't actually read any of these posts here do you Crazy? And its obvious you've never seen Culter play at all, like when he ripped Arizona's 1st team D with our second team offense for 17 points in the first half. Or rang up 540 yards and 4 TDs with only 1 INT in only 5 Quarters of play, including engineering three drives with less than 2 minutes left before the half in each game he played in before halftime.

The ONLY reason Cutler isnt starting now is because we are still 4-1 and Jake has the backing of his teammates and Shanny knows it. Jake is going to have to lose this outright and Shanny is giving him a little more rope to either drag himself and the offense up by its bootstraps or hang himself in the coming weeks.

The only reason Leinert is playing is because their alternative was MR. TURNOVER 'who got sacked every other play' Warner AND the Cardinals are losing. Same story with the Titans and Tampa Bay and their rookies.

Without question each of those coaches would give their right arm if their starting QBs played well enough to allow their rookies to watch.

[crazyhorse]

Nope...youré wrong there...Leinart wouldn't be playing, because Jake , while playing badly , has only cost us ONE game. As Long as the defense keeps pulling turnovers out of bodily orifices , and we keep winning, Plummer keeps starting. As long as Shanny restricts the game plan to what it has been Jake won't kill us (by himself!) .

Sooner or later we are going to need to get some offensive points...when we do, either Jake will get it done or he won't. Then we'll find out if Cutler plays this year.

While I appreciate your effort to explain it, I still can not find a suitable reason not to start the "best players". Unless you are saying that Jake is better than Cutler.

[crazyhorse]

You're bad at this. The least you could do was show at least a modicum of knowledge about the Denver Broncos. It's like reading a sixteen year old trying to get a grip on the pros shooting off his mouth without really understanding any of the nuance.

This is the difference between you and Bob. Bob at least understands the basics.

Aren't you the one that wanted Lienart last year?

Yeah.....I thought so.

In an effort to increase my knowledgs of the Broncos, please explain to me why Shanny spent all those draft picks on a QB if he can't better than Plummer is doing?

Thank you in advance.

[crazyhorse]

This is why I never respond on topic to this fool. Hard to believe so many here don't see what his only purpose coming here is.


Lately, you respond as much or more than anyone else. Just like here.

As for my purpose here, that's debatable. When I try to talk football, like this thread, the ones that "get it" answer in a reasonable fashion. Those that do not, answer the way you do. The people that get it, know who they are. The ones that don't....don't.

Get it?

[Bronco Bob]

...would they be starting him by now?

Just curious.

I would start him.

I can't see why, the Broncos would still be 4 - 1, the defense would
still have allowed only 1 TD so far, what would be the difference
between Leinhart and Cutler?

[Florida_Bronco]

It's hard to imagine that Arizona, Tennessee and Tampa Bay would be starting rookies unless they had nothing to lose and/or had their starters injured.

The quarterback is the field general and the most important position on the field, you don't sub him out with a rookie unless you have no other option.

[Florida_Bronco]

This is the difference between you and Bob. Bob at least understands the basics.

That's not true. Crazyhorse is 100 times better than Bob.

[Bronco Bob]

If the guy was "all that", he'd be starting.

Any clear thinking individual would realize that Plummer has done nothing. Nothing to keep his job from a QB that is the qulaity you folks claim Cutler is.

Lienart would have been on the field already given Plummers production. The question is, why isn't Cutler?

4 - 1

[crazyhorse]

I can't see why, the Broncos would still be 4 - 1, the defense would
still have allowed only 1 TD so far, what would be the difference
between Leinhart and Cutler?

I am not sure what the difference between Cutler and Lienart would be. Cutler hasn't played. But if he's anything like ML, why waste time with Plummer. Given his ability, there is no upside to keeping Plummer in there. That is of course, unless Plummer is the better QB.

[Taco John]

Aren't you the one that wanted Lienart last year?

Yeah.....I thought so.

In an effort to increase my knowledgs of the Broncos, please explain to me why Shanny spent all those draft picks on a QB if he can't better than Plummer is doing?

Thank you in advance.



Yeah, I absolutely wanted Lienart last year, and still contend that if Cutler would have been drafted ahead of Leinart, we'd have jumped up and nabbed Leinart.

It's painful to have to give a troll a basic understanding of Broncos football knowing that you're not really interested in the discussion, but instead just trying to get under the skin of Broncos fans. Your tactics would probably work on a board where the user base skews a lot younger and the people participating don't have a memory for what happened as far back as 1999.

I'm not going to bother explaining it to you, because frankly you're not that interested in hearing it and I'm not that interested in getting into a football discussion with you. It's abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and I'm satisfied with leaving it at that.

[Northman]

I am not sure what the difference between Cutler and Lienart would be. Cutler hasn't played. But if he's anything like ML, why waste time with Plummer. Given his ability, there is no upside to keeping Plummer in there. That is of course, unless Plummer is the better QB.


Personally, to me there is no difference. The problem is that Warner was playing a lot worse than Jake in regards to turnovers and the team was losing. Even though they are still losing they at least are willing to let Matt get the feel for the game. Green knows they have no shot at getting to the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl this year. Same with the Titans and Bucs. If Denver was 1-4 right now you would be seeing Cutler on the field. But thats not the case so Shanny will continue to go with the Experienced Qb until something drastic happens if it happens at all.

[Taco John]

That's not true. Crazyhorse is 100 times better than Bob.



You're wrong. Bob gets under your skin because he knows what he's talking about. Crazyhorse is just a moron with a keyboard.

[crazyhorse]

It's hard to imagine that Arizona, Tennessee and Tampa Bay would be starting rookies unless they had nothing to lose and/or had their starters injured.

The quarterback is the field general and the most important position on the field, you don't sub him out with a rookie unless you have no other option.

Okay, but how long does that last? Until Pummer retires?

AZ, TENN, and TB are starting because they were the best QB option.

Shanny made a bold move in the draft to aquire one of the top QBs. Then he sits him so that he can start a QB of Plummers limitations.

[crazyhorse]

You're wrong. Bob gets under your skin because he knows what he's talking about. Crazyhorse is just a moron with a keyboard.

This is the Orangemane equivalent of "wearing the DUNCE hat".

BTW....it's slimming.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Lately, you respond as much or more than anyone else. Just like here.

As for my purpose here, that's debatable. When I try to talk football, like this thread, the ones that "get it" answer in a reasonable fashion. Those that do not, answer the way you do. The people that get it, know who they are. The ones that don't....don't.

Get it?
How much you money wagering this week on the Chiefs to win?

[Bronco Bob]

I am not sure what the difference between Cutler and Lienart would be. Cutler hasn't played. But if he's anything like ML, why waste time with Plummer. Given his ability, there is no upside to keeping Plummer in there. That is of course, unless Plummer is the better QB.

As long as the team keeps winning with Jake, what is the downside
to keeping Plummer in? If the Broncos start getting blown out in games,
then I could see a need for a change. But until that happens what are
they gaining by dumping Jake? I have never heard of any winning team
replacing a QB in the middle of a season no matter how great the
draftee was unless the starting QB got injured. Can you name a team?

[crazyhorse]

Yeah, I absolutely wanted Lienart last year, and still contend that if Cutler would have been drafted ahead of Leinart, we'd have jumped up and nabbed Leinart.

It's painful to have to give a troll a basic understanding of Broncos football knowing that you're not really interested in the discussion, but instead just trying to get under the skin of Broncos fans. Your tactics would probably work on a board where the user base skews a lot younger and the people participating don't have a memory for what happened as far back as 1999.

I'm not going to bother explaining it to you, because frankly you're not that interested in hearing it and I'm not that interested in getting into a football discussion with you. It's abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and I'm satisfied with leaving it at that.

Why did you respond in the 1st place?

If I were not interested in the discussion, I wouldn't have posted the topic. You are pretty consistent at diagnosing the premise of my threads incorrectly. You sir are a troll.

Frankly, I am surprized you haven't figured it out yet either. I gave you far too much credit when I registered here. You're kinda a doofus.

[crazyhorse]

How much you money wagering this week on the Chiefs to win?

One million. I plan to clean up.

BTW, I still have that hundred that says the Donks won't win the SB.8')

[ScottXray]

While I appreciate your effort to explain it, I still can not find a suitable reason not to start the "best players". Unless you are saying that Jake is better than Cutler.

Not at all. If you read ALL the threads here ( which would require you to be here as much as Bob) bashing Jake or defending Jake you would have found a few that quote articles in newspapers with Shanahan saying he made a mistake when he switched to Griese early in 99, because Bubby had a lot of the starters support. It split the team. He also said that he would NOT make that mistake again. As long as he doesn't lose games Jake has the support of a lot of the veterans....so Shanahan is trying to keep Jake from losing games, by letting the Defense win them.

People here are thinking Shanahan will open the game plan up for the Indy game, because of their offense. I think Shanny will try to wait til the Seattle game, because its non-conference. He may just keep trying to let the Defense win the games, and just try to get a lead. He tried to open it in the St. Louis game..with the 4 TO by Jake result and our only loss.

Until he thinks the team will back it , Shanny won't change the QB. :spit:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

That's not true. Crazyhorse is 100 times better than Bob.

No way

[crazyhorse]

Not at all. If you read ALL the threads here ( which would require you to be here as much as Bob) bashing Jake or defending Jake you would have found a few that quote articles in newspapers with Shanahan saying he made a mistake when he switched to Griese early in 99, because Bubby had a lot of the starters support. It split the team. He also said that he would NOT make that mistake again. As long as he doesn't lose games Jake has the support of a lot of the veterans....so Shanahan is trying to keep Jake from losing games, by letting the Defense win them.

People here are thinking Shanahan will open the game plan up for the Indy game, because of their offense. I think Shanny will try to wait til the Seattle game, because its non-conference. He may just keep trying to let the Defense win the games, and just try to get a lead. He tried to open it in the St. Louis game..with the 4 TO by Jake result and our only loss.

Until he thinks the team will back it , Shanny won't change the QB. :spit:

If Shanny was worried about splitting the team because of a QB change, he sure wasn't worried about it when he drafted Cutler. His message was clear. There will be a change at QB reguardless of who likes it.

Besides, better production has a way of befriending the rest of the team.

[ScottXray]

If Shanny was worried about splitting the team because of a QB change, he sure wasn't worried about it when he drafted Cutler. His message was clear. There will be a change at QB reguardless of who likes it.

Besides, better production has a way of befriending the rest of the team.

You are right. Better production wins friends.

But, as everyone, even Plummer , has said, Cutler was drafted for the future...he wasn't supposed to be needed this year, except for injury.

Tha's obviously what Shanahan has said, and what he told Jake, too. When you have a chance to move up and get a potential Franchise player in the draft, and you are the Broncos, and always in the playoffs, thus drafting late, you do it.

It isn't Shanny's fault that it has apparently caused his starting QB to play with no confidence, because he's afraid of losing his job. Jake has to get his game together, so Shanny can get his offense together. I would think this has to be translating to practice, as well as games.

As far as Why Cutler isn't getting the nod.....guys like John Lynch, Rod Smith, Nails and a few others would like to close out their careers with superbowl wins. They came back to play partly because we have a real shot at one. At the start of the year , they would naturally think that Jake gave them the best chance to do that. What Rookie QB has ever won a superbowl? So...as long as Jake doesn't lose us games they will stick with him. Shanny is supporting them, and not necessarily Jake, by not starting Cutler.

I'm sure there have been more than a few coaches discussions about whether to start Jay..and when.
8')

[eddie mac]

There's a simple answer to that question Crazy and it's no. Ask yourself this. If Arizona were 4-1 and Warner hadn't fumbled 10 times in the first 4 games would Leinart be starting now??? I dont think he would.

You also have to look at the two Franchises involved. Green will attempt anything for success in Arizona and with the huge $$ thrown at James this year he's under pressure to get the Cardinals into the playoffs. There's no pressure on Shanahan at all to throw Jay in at the deepend because no matter how badly our offense is performing through the air we can win games on the ground and on defense. Hence Mr Cool will play Cutler whenever He wants not when the fans want.

[Florida_Bronco]

You're wrong. Bob gets under your skin because he knows what he's talking about. Crazyhorse is just a moron with a keyboard.

No, I'm not wrong...at least not in my opinion. Crazyhorse may bait people with stuff, but he makes an attempt at talking football more often than Bob. I may not always agree with him, but more than once I've seen people jump all over him for an honest take. Besides that, once you get past the Chiefs-Broncos smack, he really is a good guy.

Bob, on the other hand, is a complete tool. He takes the baiting that Crazyhorse does and increases it by ten fold and he doesn't know jack about football unless it's on a stat sheet. Come on TJ, this is the guy who said that losing Roaf was completely cancelled out by the signing of Law, even though they had little to nothing to do with each other.

Bob is also a classless piece of **** who is widely hated by his fellow Chiefs fan.

[crazyhorse]

There's a simple answer to that question Crazy and it's no. Ask yourself this. If Arizona were 4-1 and Warner hadn't fumbled 10 times in the first 4 games would Leinart be starting now??? I dont think he would.

You also have to look at the two Franchises involved. Green will attempt anything for success in Arizona and with the huge $$ thrown at James this year he's under pressure to get the Cardinals into the playoffs. There's no pressure on Shanahan at all to throw Jay in at the deepend because no matter how badly our offense is performing through the air we can win games on the ground and on defense. Hence Mr Cool will play Cutler whenever He wants not when the fans want.

I thought it was widely agreed here that Cutler is better than Plummer. I dont see how that is "throwing him off the deep end".

If the Cards were to be 4-1 it would be the same way Denver is. All defense. There is nothing Jake has personally done to make you 4-1. In fact, I would contend that the Broncos are 4-1 despite Jake. In that way, they are similar.

If Jake was playing for AZ right now, he'd be sitting next to Warner.

[ScottXray]

I thought it was widely agreed here that Cutler is better than Plummer. I dont see how that is "throwing him off the deep end".

If the Cards were to be 4-1 it would be the same way Denver is. All defense. There is nothing Jake has personally done to make you 4-1. In fact, I would contend that the Broncos are 4-1 despite Jake. In that way, they are similar.

If Jake was playing for AZ right now, he'd be sitting next to Warner.

Right again. Jake has not had much to do with the wins..except the NE game, where he played fair. But Shanny can be a stubborn SOB... He'll start Cutler when HE wants, and when the rest of the team will accept it....and not a minute sooner. Since wer'e 4-1 ,and HAVE a defense thats real, it aint gonna happen yet. ( sorry, couldn't resist..:yayaya: )

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob gets under your skin because he knows what he's talking about.


****. And my sig is turned off.

[Florida_Bronco]

****. And my sig is turned off.

And why is that? :giggle:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm a minimalist.

[DenverBrit]

While I appreciate your effort to explain it, I still can not find a suitable reason not to start the "best players". Unless you are saying that Jake is better than Cutler.

It couldn't have been explained any more clearly.

You're deliberately being obtuse....
and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. :P

[DenverBrit]

I'm a minimalist.

Oh don't be so modest.

You're much more than that. :spit:

[Florida_Bronco]

I'm a minimalist.

You're talking about your d**k, right?

[Jetmeck]

That's not true. Crazyhorse is 100 times better than Bob.


That supposed to be a compliment.......:rofl:

[Jetmeck]

Right again. Jake has not had much to do with the wins..except the NE game, where he played fair. But Shanny can be a stubborn SOB... He'll start Cutler when HE wants, and when the rest of the team will accept it....and not a minute sooner. Since wer'e 4-1 ,and HAVE a defense thats real, it aint gonna happen yet. ( sorry, couldn't resist..:yayaya: )


I think the Bubby Brister/Brian Griese debacle has more to do with this situation than we will ever know.

[DenverBrit]

I think the Bubby Brister/Brian Griese debacle has more to do with this situation than we will ever know.

Shanny learned a BIG lesson from that locker room debacle.

'Won't get fooled again'

[Jetmeck]

Bob gets under your skin because he knows what he's talking about. Crazyhorse is just a moron with a keyboard.


Why on earth would anyone here defend that PIA, why ?

Second part your right on, first one you're totally delusional.

[ScottXray]

You're talking about your d**k, right?

:notworthy LOL LOL LOL Hilarious!

[Circle Orange]

Favre and Vick have stronger arms than Manning but we see how little that matters in terms of getting the ball to the intended receivers. You need an adequate arm to be successful but anything above adequate usually just leads to a QB that falls in love with his arm and forces too much.

True, but this is where coaching comes into play. Vick is a one dimensional trick pony who's convinced he can't learn the position (apparently). Favre mentally was always a little...cracked. Without Holmgren he's deteriorated over the last few years, going back to the wild and stupid stuff. I think if Cutler is brought along slowly, he should do well.

Plummer is nothing but a swerve, people. Shanny is building an eye popping "D" to make the transition to Cutler easier. :wiggle:

And Leinart can keep his noodle out in Arizona.

[Taco John]

Why on earth would anyone here defend that PIA, why ?

Second part your right on, first one you're totally delusional.


I'm not trying to defend him. I'm just saying that I'd put my money on Bob's understanding of football over Crazywhores, and win every time. Unless, of course, it is talent evaluation, particularly when it comes to the Chiefs. In that instance, the guy turns into a completely knowledgeless doofus who not only hopes for the best, but starts writing checks with his mouth that his team can't cash.

I guarantee you that Bob understands the nuances of why the Broncos haven't put in Cutler yet better than Crazywhores does.

[azbroncfan]

Only reason Lienart is playing is Warner has 10 fumbles and a handful of picks something ridiculous like that. They have nothing to lose. If Denver wasn't winning Cutler would be playing. I think ML is better at reading D's than Cutler but Cutler has everything else on him. ML reads D's better than any rook qb has in a while and I would almost dare say better than Plummer does. In fact that is where Plummer struggles the most is going through the reads.

[SoDak Bronco]

While I appreciate your effort to explain it, I still can not find a suitable reason not to start the "best players". Unless you are saying that Jake is better than Cutler.

When the Bengals had Carson Palmer on the bench for his rookie year that must have been because he was "worse" than the Jon Kitna. Your argument is bogus, please try again.

[crazyhorse]

I'm not trying to defend him. I'm just saying that I'd put my money on Bob's understanding of football over Crazywhores, and win every time. Unless, of course, it is talent evaluation, particularly when it comes to the Chiefs. In that instance, the guy turns into a completely knowledgeless doofus who not only hopes for the best, but starts writing checks with his mouth that his team can't cash.

I guarantee you that Bob understands the nuances of why the Broncos haven't put in Cutler yet better than Crazywhores does.

Nuance?

While I fully appreciate you taking the time to bait me and all, I wish you had just taken the time to discuss "nuances of the Broncos", instead. :kiss:

[crazyhorse]

When the Bengals had Carson Palmer on the bench for his rookie year that must have been because he was "worse" than the Jon Kitna. Your argument is bogus, please try again.

I'll bet a large percentage of this board agrees with my arguement.

Understand however, that I dont want Cutler in if he is a better QB. Only that logic doesn't support not putting him in. For all I care, you can keep Plummer in there until he retires.

Maybe had the Bengals put Palmer in a year earlier, they would have started winning that much sooner.

[redrage]

Didn't Kitna have a Pro-Bowl year that year? If not, I know it was damn close. He got Comeback Player of the Year, I think. I don't think Plummer is on the same course so the comparison doesn't match.

Sidenote: Like Brees when he won it, Kitna came back from mediocrity. I still don't understand the criteria for that lame award.

[Circle Orange]

"Nuance" = "New Aunts"

[crazyhorse]

"Nuance" = "New Aunts"
hmmm...