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Popps
10-15-2006, 08:03 PM
:strong: :yayaya: :wave: :~ohyah!: :sunshine:

Figured I'd try to balance out the gloom and doom around here. You'd think we were in last place, and just got whacked... reading the other threads around here.

We WON.

We're 4-1, we're clearly in a battle with only one team for this division, and there doesn't appear to be any dominant team in the AFC.

Our defense has shown it can win close, low-scoring games... and while our offense has struggled, they've ABSOLUTELY made plays when they had to, and that's all that matters.

We've got another game we should win next week, and then some real tests.

What's all the crying about? Good lord. We just beat the rai_ers, for flip's sake. Anyone else enjoy winning anymore? I'd love to hear from you.

Jesterhole
10-15-2006, 08:04 PM
In addition to hating Jake, I enjoy winning.

DBroncos4life
10-15-2006, 08:07 PM
I don't even think we are trying so Im not worried.

BLAZE
10-15-2006, 08:07 PM
Game ball goes to the DEFENSE again! I'm very impressed with Coyer's Defense. 1 TD allowed in 5 games now. Isn't that some sort of record?

Popps
10-15-2006, 08:08 PM
In addition to hating Jake, I enjoy winning.

Get lost.



On a brighter note, Bailey gets rockstar of the game!!

He deserved it last week, too.

Sweet!

Taco John
10-15-2006, 08:09 PM
It was great to win... I just don't understand why we aren't winning 13-3 with our future.

Oh well... a win is a win. Nice job defense!

BroncoMatt
10-15-2006, 08:10 PM
winning is my favorite

Moon§hiner
10-15-2006, 08:13 PM
Winning sucks....my FFL team lost dammit :)

Spider
10-15-2006, 08:18 PM
count me in as Happy to be winning .........4-1 is pretty good

freak6
10-15-2006, 08:20 PM
Jake Plummer is terrible. The passing game is terrible. Ernster looked like crap tonite. Everyone else was good to excellent.

We just got SHUT out in the 2nd half when we should have been shoveling dirt on the Raiders.

We are in trouble vs the Colts, Chargers, and in the Playoffs.

This should be titled...

THREAD FOR THOSE HAPPY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEN LOSE

azbroncfan
10-15-2006, 08:23 PM
I happy we won, but there is some serious issues with the offense. 12 pts a game will not win a lot of games, If the pass rush becomes ineffective late in the game against Indy in a couple weeks it will be ugly. There is something that just isn't right about this team.

youcandoit1687
10-15-2006, 08:23 PM
yeah yeah we won but can a 13-3 "win" against the raiders really be considered a win? theres something to be said about playing to your level not playing down. beating the ravens and patriots in close games, exciting, fulfilling....beat the chiefs in a close game, it was divisional, still rusty, yeah good woohoo....but beating the raiders by only 10 points, good but far from fulfilling.

listopencil
10-15-2006, 08:25 PM
I love winning, and I love having a QB who executes the offense that our Head Coach wants to run regardless of how many Bronco fans want us to run a different one. We made our kill stroke with Javon Walker followed by a Tatum Bell TD. We would have had another TD if Sapp hadn't dropped a well-thrown pass on the goal line. No big deal, we didn't even need the Field Goal we got instead.We beat a dangerous winless Raider squad. Jesus-even when Moss was showing some leadership skills all of a sudden. You'd have to be a moron to think the Raiders were laying down for us in this game and we came out of it with a win. I'm really starting to like the all blue uni's by the way. Kind of funny to be the good guys in Navy with OAK wearing white.



By the way, there were a lot of drops tonight. And I mean players were dropping some well thrown balls. I noticed four obviously poorly thrown balls by Plummer in the Pats game but the only one that stands out in my mind from this one was the checkdown to Bell.

Garcia Bronco
10-15-2006, 08:27 PM
anyone who isn't happy is a clown. Even madden noticed the conservarive play calls...plus we didn't have the ball a bunch. Great team win.

2KBack
10-15-2006, 08:27 PM
yeah, I knew there would be some doomsayers after tonight. Completely ignoring the playcalling. Denver scored on 3 of 4 possesions in the first half (thank Sapp for 3 instead of 7 on one). Then shanny martyballed the second half.

Denver won this game in 1st gear, that's a good thing. They had a gameplan no more advanced than your typical preseason.

azbroncfan
10-15-2006, 08:32 PM
Denver's playbook was taken off of Techmo superbowl first version.

ColoradoDarin
10-15-2006, 08:32 PM
I'm happy, we won, and we kept another team out of the endzone.

freak6
10-15-2006, 08:32 PM
Thread for those who enjoy BLUEBALLS.

ludo21
10-15-2006, 08:35 PM
amen 2kback, im glad someone watched the same game i did.

If the Pats game is any indication, we obviously have the weapons and the plays to be a good O.

We are a good team, stop crying for Cutler, Jake played a good game, exactly how Shanny wanted.

This board is funny sometimes..

labronx
10-15-2006, 08:37 PM
whoopsie freakin doo, we beat the Raiders at home 13-3!!

Jake Plummer PASSING 11/18 102 5.7 0 0
Jake Plummer RUSHING 6 30 5.0 0 19

Rod Smith 1 12 12.0 0 12

3rd down efficiency
5-11

Do you really think Shanahan has any confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer? He is making him one dimensional, He has turned him into an athlete playing QB. He has no confidence in him as a pure passer, let alone a WC Offense QB.It may be worse than Marty Ball. I guess Mike realizes that the D is really good esp. the secondary and the DL has improved in getting to the QB. The LBs are all Pro Bowl Caliber. Javon Walker is easily the number one receiver and with a real strong armed and accurate passer would be going to the Pro Bowl one year after tearing up his knee.

I have a hunch that it's painfully obvious to everyone in the organization RIGHT NOW during practices that Cutler is easily the WAY BETTER QB. By this point just judging by his mechanics, talent and his intagibles along with his natural coolness and poise in the pocket that he should be the one starting and can take over the reigns no problem.

The only reason why MS can't pull the plug on Plummer is because of player loyalty. I believe MS is purposely at this point handcuffing Plummer, MS gave him a chance and really let Mike down in the opener. The playbook has been dramatically scaled back since the STL game. MS lost total trust in Plummer, i bet he was shocked that Plummer came out and played so poor after his last showing in the AFCC and having a whole offseason to atleast improve his ability to go through his reads and make smart accurate throws.

MS is trying to make it a point that Cutler is ready to play and take over. He is smart enough to let the team make the decision for him. This type of offense is completely unacceptable for the type of standards Mike has established. Easily more anemic than even the Griese years.

No fire, no attack mentality, the bootleg has gotten old, since teams can take it away by just playing honest and waiting on Plummer to lead the D player to the ball.

MS is a really stubborn man, he knows that his approach may cost us a loss or two but he can't devide the team. Shanahan will replace Plummer before the season is over. Honestly he owes it to his players

labronx
10-15-2006, 08:38 PM
whoopsie freakin doo, we beat the Raiders at home 13-3!!

Jake Plummer PASSING 11/18 102 5.7 0 0
Jake Plummer RUSHING 6 30 5.0 0 19

Rod Smith 1 12 12.0 0 12

3rd down efficiency
5-11

Do you really think Shanahan has any confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer? He is making him one dimensional, He has turned him into an athlete playing QB. He has no confidence in him as a pure passer, let alone a WC Offense QB.It may be worse than Marty Ball. I guess Mike realizes that the D is really good esp. the secondary and the DL has improved in getting to the QB. The LBs are all Pro Bowl Caliber. Javon Walker is easily the number one receiver and with a real strong armed and accurate passer would be going to the Pro Bowl one year after tearing up his knee.

I have a hunch that it's painfully obvious to everyone in the organization RIGHT NOW during practices that Cutler is easily the WAY BETTER QB. By this point just judging by his mechanics, talent and his intagibles along with his natural coolness and poise in the pocket that he should be the one starting and can take over the reigns no problem.

The only reason why MS can't pull the plug on Plummer is because of player loyalty. I believe MS is purposely at this point handcuffing Plummer, MS gave him a chance and really let Mike down in the opener. The playbook has been dramatically scaled back since the STL game. MS lost total trust in Plummer, i bet he was shocked that Plummer came out and played so poor after his last showing in the AFCC and having a whole offseason to atleast improve his ability to go through his reads and make smart accurate throws.

MS is trying to make it a point that Cutler is ready to play and take over. He is smart enough to let the team make the decision for him. This type of offense is completely unacceptable for the type of standards Mike has established. Easily more anemic than even the Griese years.

No fire, no attack mentality, the bootleg has gotten old, since teams can take it away by just playing honest and waiting on Plummer to lead the D player to the ball.

MS is a really stubborn man, he knows that his approach may cost us a loss or two but he can't devide the team. Shanahan will replace Plummer before the season is over. Honestly he owes it to his players

listopencil
10-15-2006, 08:41 PM
It was great to win... I just don't understand why we aren't winning 13-3 with our future.

Oh well... a win is a win. Nice job defense!

Because Cutler isn't as good as Plummer. That's the bottom line. Our Head Coach said it. That Cutler wasn't ready to start in the NFL. I'm sure we are all waiting to shoot our collective loads at the thought of a superstar QB leading this team but you need to stop leading the circle jerk. Premature ejaculation just makes you look bad.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-15-2006, 08:42 PM
Jake Plummer is terrible. The passing game is terrible. Ernster looked like crap tonite. Everyone else was good to excellent.

We just got SHUT out in the 2nd half when we should have been shoveling dirt on the Raiders.

We are in trouble vs the Colts, Chargers, and in the Playoffs.

This should be titled...

THREAD FOR THOSE HAPPY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEN LOSE

How about a thread for people who enjoy winning and think we have room for improvement?

;)

listopencil
10-15-2006, 08:44 PM
MS is a really stubborn man, he knows that his approach may cost us a loss or two but he can't devide the team. Shanahan will replace Plummer before the season is over. Honestly he owes it to his players


Let's bookmark this quote. It'll come in handy later.

Clockwork Orange
10-15-2006, 08:44 PM
We need a thread for those who'd be happy if this team was 1-4 or 0-5 if it meant that Jay Cutler was starting.

ColoradoDarin
10-15-2006, 08:45 PM
Anyone who isn't happy about tonight should call themselves TO. "That Player" is only happy when he does good and doesn't care whether the team wins or loses.

Let me ask all you unhappy people, would you be pleased with Plummer's performance if his stats were 12/22 for 123 yards 0 TDs and 1 Int?

What if you substituted the name Elway for those same stats, would you be happy then?

(For those still confused... those are Elway's numbers from XXXII. I think we were ALL happy that night.)

listopencil
10-15-2006, 08:52 PM
Jake Plummer is terrible. The passing game is terrible. Ernster looked like crap tonite. Everyone else was good to excellent.

We just got SHUT out in the 2nd half when we should have been shoveling dirt on the Raiders.

We are in trouble vs the Colts, Chargers, and in the Playoffs.

This should be titled...

THREAD FOR THOSE HAPPY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEN LOSE

Yeah, you're right. We are winning and we are tied for first place in the division (actually, we are in first because SD has a Conference loss and we don't) but we aren't winning pretty enough so we should give every team in the League a bunch of film to study. We should show them exactly what we are going to do on O so they can get fully prepared for us. That's how you win big games. You've earned a rarity. A smilie from me:

Uhh

freak6
10-15-2006, 08:55 PM
Did we just play the 98 Packers? Or the 2006 Raiders.

Who had 8 false starts?

Who started an absolute scrub in Walter?

Who is 0 - the Season

Who has a terrible coach, terrible talent, no- cohesiveness...

The list is to long.

We were at home, we should be killing loser teams like that. The offense is gonna have to put up pts vs the Colts/Chargers etc...

Again.

Thread for those that enjoy Blue Balls.

Mtbrncofn
10-15-2006, 08:55 PM
We need a thread for those who'd be happy if this team was 1-4 or 0-5 if it meant that Jay Cutler was starting.

ROFL!

SprintRightOption
10-15-2006, 08:55 PM
37 points given up in 5 games. That's 7.4 points per game. THAT KICKS ASS!

And of those points, 3 tonight, 3 last week, and 6 against the Rams were on drives starting in or within 15 yards of FG range. 1 TD.

What's that? That's okay against the Raiders, but we will never beat a good team like that? Pats and Ravens, held to their worse offensive showing of the year. We can beat anyone, and the O will only score more that recently.

It must be so devastating to all the "fans" here who are crying. Another 10 point win, another faultless (if punchless) 2nd half by the offense. Cheer up, so called fans, your Colts are not on the bye next week, so you can root for them.

Man-Goblin
10-15-2006, 09:03 PM
wait...for people who enjoy winning or whining?

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:04 PM
Yeah, you're right. We are winning and we are tied for first place in the division (actually, we are in first because SD has a Conference loss and we don't) but we aren't winning pretty enough so we should give every team in the League a bunch of film to study. We should show them exactly what we are going to do on O so they can get fully prepared for us. That's how you win big games. You've earned a rarity. A smilie from me:

Uhh

With this defense, "We should be un-defeated", said Tatum Bell.

Now you are trying to tell me that Shanahan is holding back the offense so we don't give them film to study....

bwaa haa haaa haaaaaaaaa

========---------- NEWSFLASH ----------==========

We haven't clinched homefield yet, and we didn't just play a meaningless game vs the Dolphins when we know we are going to see them in 2 weeks.

-------------UPDATE COMING IN OFF THE WIRE -----------

The Denver Broncos have been running the same plays for the last 8 years, except now they are more limited due to Jake the Mistake. The film goes back generations almost now.

You Sir earn ----

The most ridiculous excuse for Jake Plummer award, for stating

"We don't want to give the competition anything to study on film"

BWA HAAA HAAA HAAAAAAAAA

cutthemdown
10-15-2006, 09:07 PM
i say until we aren't winning there isn't a problem. If we start losing games in bunches IE 3 out of 4, or 5 out 7 etc and we fall off the pace due to bad QB play then I say go with Cutler and see what he can do. But as long as you have 2 wins over division teams and are tied for 1st place no reason to panic.

BlaK-Argentina
10-15-2006, 09:09 PM
I'm happy as hell. We played absolutely vanilla and won. I didn't think for a moment that we would lose.

I (still a rookie in the football department) could clearly see we were playing just to win, against a bad team that just doesn't have enough. Why would Shanahan throw the house at them and give film to other teams when he knew we could beat them with a vanilla gameplan?

I can't believe people are bitching and don't realize that. This board is completely stupid sometimes.

Popps
10-15-2006, 09:12 PM
37 points given up in 5 games. That's 7.4 points per game. THAT KICKS ASS!

And of those points, 3 tonight, 3 last week, and 6 against the Rams were on drives starting in or within 15 yards of FG range. 1 TD.

What's that? That's okay against the Raiders, but we will never beat a good team like that? Pats and Ravens, held to their worse offensive showing of the year. We can beat anyone, and the O will only score more that recently.

It must be so devastating to all the "fans" here who are crying. Another 10 point win, another faultless (if punchless) 2nd half by the offense. Cheer up, so called fans, your Colts are not on the bye next week, so you can root for them.


Dude, I'm getting private messages from people, thanking me for starting this thread. It's surreal. Seriously, I can only hope that this board is not an accurate representation of the fan base. It's one thing to expect a lot from your team... it's another to rush to the board to bitch after every single win. I have no idea why people would bother if a win over K.C. and the rai_ers gives them NO pleasure.

Anyway, I agree... things look bright. Our offense looks anemic, but I just can't see that lasting. Our D looks brilliant, and I'm hoping that we're seeing real improvement, not just an illusion that is exposed later in the season.

This start is proof that you win with defense. I mean, our offense is struggling, and we've been winning games handily. THAT is the kind of defense you have to play to win a championship.

We're 4-1, unbeaten in the division/AFC and if we can get the offense chugging again, it''ll be another fun season. This team is all too aware of the collapses in the playoffs, so I'm hoping we'll learn from those mistakes.

The new additions on O and D seem to be filling in crucial voids. (3rd down receptions, big plays and pass-rush.)

Plus, I'll take winning ugly, any day. Winning scrappy games is a sign of a gutsy team.

Lot's of reason for hope.

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:17 PM
Our offense looks anemic, but<b> I just can't see that lasting.</b>

Why argue with the blind?

It's 5 games in and this moron still watches the offense with his eyes closed, clearly.

Honestly Popps, are you blind.

Do you just listen to the commentators?

Can you change a diaper being blind?

Bronco Bob
10-15-2006, 09:19 PM
Do you really think Shanahan has any confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer?

Obviously, witness the 54 strike to Walker in good coverage.

Popps
10-15-2006, 09:19 PM
wait...for people who enjoy winning or whining?

Don't worry, there are 400 of those threads. I just figured I'd start a thread for us weirdos who enjoy beating the rai_ers.

****, man... I remember a time when wins like that were all we had. I remember sitting as a lone Broncos fan among 100 Cowboys fans in a sports-bar 15 years ago, rooting my ass off for a win... as then we'd have a chance to make .500.

I'll always glow for a week after beating the rai_ers. Can't take that away from me.

loborugger
10-15-2006, 09:23 PM
Its nice to win. Always nice to win. Always nice to beat the Raiders. The game play looked unispired all around. Even our D looked a little flat. Only the fans seemed amped. It was a boring game, to be blunt. But, in the end, we beat the Raiders.

ludo21
10-15-2006, 09:24 PM
lol, why are people whining in this thread, this is the Winning thread, go pout in all the "pummer sucks" threads about our win.

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:24 PM
Obviously, witness the 54 strike to Walker in good coverage.

Um, that was a play action pass that drew up the Safety. Javon ran a corner post isolated against a Cornerback that had to protect the endzone and play behind Javon.

Actually, he showed to much respect for Jake's armstrength, but anyway, he bit on the corner fake. Then Javon went to the post and was able to position himself, and

<b>JUST LIKE ASHLEY LELIE BEFORE HIM</b>

Signal for a fair catch, tie his shoelaces, find the cure for cancer, and then use his body to BOX OUT the corner and make the catch.

ColoradoDarin
10-15-2006, 09:26 PM
Why argue with the blind?

It's 5 games in and this moron still watches the offense with his eyes closed, clearly.

Honestly Popps, are you blind.

Do you just listen to the commentators?

Can you change a diaper being blind?

That's only 5 games that Plummer has had to adjust to all the new receivers - mainly Javon, Sheffler and to a lesser extent Kircus (and I saw Marshall out on the field today).

Or do you think that offense doesn't need to have timing and feel for where the players will be?

wyobronco
10-15-2006, 09:27 PM
I'm not making excuses for Plummer, but I do see reasons to hope for an offense that will improve week by week. Other than Rod, Jake has almost no targets back from last year. In the NFL, the passing game is all about chemistry. He needs to develop a rapport with Javon, Kircus and Marshall. Sheffler is the new TE threat, and Bell has never been a productive target out of the backfield. It takes time to develop the timing and chemistry. I think they will get more and more effective as they work together week by week.

By the way, this is the same thing with Denver's defense. They played well at times together last year, but they are really starting to gel this year. I look for more of the same as the season wears on.

minibronco
10-15-2006, 09:27 PM
Game ball goes to the DEFENSE again! I'm very impressed with Coyer's Defense. 1 TD allowed in 5 games now. Isn't that some sort of record?

If i did my math right, that's a 1.7% rate (1 touchdown / 51 drives) and that earns us a medal.

Bronco Bob
10-15-2006, 09:30 PM
Um, that was a play action pass that drew up the Safety. Javon ran a corner post isolated against a Cornerback that had to protect the endzone and play behind Javon.

Actually, he showed to much respect for Jake's armstrength, but anyway, he bit on the corner fake. Then Javon went to the post and was able to position himself, and

<b>JUST LIKE ASHLEY LELIE BEFORE HIM</b>

Signal for a fair catch, tie his shoelaces, find the cure for cancer, and then use his body to BOX OUT the corner and make the catch.

And this shows Shanahan has no confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer how?

SouthStndJunkie
10-15-2006, 09:32 PM
Good thread.

We are 4-1 and playing some pretty good defense.

The offense has a lot of room to improve for sure.

We just beat a division rival on Sunday night.

Myself, I am enjoying the win.

Taco John
10-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Just a quick question... Is it possible to be happy with a win, but still have criticism for uninspiring performance? I'm asking, because Kaylore started a thread ripping Foster, and I wanted to find out from the "Good Fan Committee" here whether Kaylore is a good fan or not.

Perhaps this thread is misnamed, and really should be "Thread for people who will cover Jake's ass no matter how uninspiring he looks," since that's all this is really about.

listopencil
10-15-2006, 09:39 PM
Why argue with the blind?




Why argue with the retarded? It's pointless but I'll give it a try. We had a ten point lead and our defense was almost pitching a shutout. The FG came off of a Darrent Williams fumble. The benefit of having a stifling D is that you don't have to take as many gambles on O. If our team was run by a retarded fuqtard then yes, we would have gone all out for absolutely no reason and thrown the ball around more. But, because our Head Coach isn't a mouth breathing, inbred dip**** we didn't make that ignorant mistake. Instead we tightened up and played ball control. We increased protection and ran safe plays. Those safe plays have less of a chance of success but what happened when our O didn't convert? Time was run off the clock and our D kept stopping them. Eventually time ran out and we were ahead. In case you didn't catch that, that means we won the game dumbass. Amazing, isn't it? I suppose you still have a little ball of hate for Sapp though, right? He dropped a sure TD. The ball was well thrown. I'm sure you are still annoyed by all of the drips tonight, right? And the protection problems we had with Foster raises your ire...right? Naaah! Just do what every other lobotomised DEN fan does and blame the QB.


...and what else happens? When we run basic plays as often as possible then the esoteric ones we pull out of our butts work better later on. Why is that? Oh, why bother asking you. You're too ****ing stupid to figure it out. It's because they are unexpected. As in, when other coaching staffs watch our game films they don't get a big clue as to what we plan on doing. The less our O does to win a game the better unless we score on standard plays. I guess that doesn't sit well for ADD-afflicted attention whores such as yourself. You're getting fidgety because you don't understand some of the basic concepts involved in winning a football game. Don't worry there is a league out there for you. It's called the AFL. Look into it. Watch it. Then you won't have to be bothered by putting up with a real NFL football game. Idiot.

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:41 PM
That's only 5 games that Plummer has had to adjust to all the new receivers - mainly Javon, Sheffler and to a lesser extent Kircus (and I saw Marshall out on the field today).

Or do you think that offense doesn't need to have timing and feel for where the players will be?

Oh, now it is because he has new recievers running the same damn routes in the Jake has been throwing to for 4 seasons now? Rod Smith, heard of him. Jake has thrown 3 ints forcing balls to Rod, is it because Rod doesn't know how to run a route, or in 4 years they just don't have thier timing down.

New recievers is no excuse. It is week 5. They have had HUNDREDS of hours to get timing down on the practice field. Nice try.

Another pathetic excuse SHOT DOWN.

Alleged Triggerman
10-15-2006, 09:43 PM
Goddamn some of you whiny-bees are annoying. This is a DENVER BRONCOS forum.

Try this one on for size doom and gloom losers: We win. Me happy.
repeat.

Now shut the **** up and take you bitch-titted pieholes outta here. No one wants your arm-chair quarterbacking here. Hell, READ THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD! If your opinion mattered you'd be coaching, not fisting your keyboards.

Thank you.
Good day.
Go away.

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:44 PM
And this shows Shanahan has no confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer how?

It doesn't. That was your reason that Shanny does have confidence in him. Just because Javon caught a Jake duck isolated 1 on 1 doesn't = confidence. lmao.

Observe the playcalling for my response as to Shanny's confidence in Jake.

Shanny is playing to our strengths. Ball control, and the Defense.

But the O has to produce to give the D a rest.

<b> The freaking Oakland Raiders left points on the field tonite, that the Colts/Chargers/ and other teams this season and in the postseason will convert. NOT GOOD.

ClevelandBronco
10-15-2006, 09:44 PM
I'm grinning from ear to ear over the win and laughing my butt off reading the words of the guys who are actually ticked off tonight.

I'll probably enjoy myself next week as well when the whole script will be replayed by the Broncos, their opponents and the wackos here who think they can outcoach Shanny.

In your ugly faces, Raiders!

listopencil
10-15-2006, 09:47 PM
Just a quick question... Is it possible to be happy with a win, but still have criticism for uninspiring performance? I'm asking, because Kaylore started a thread ripping Foster, and I wanted to find out from the "Good Fan Committee" here whether Kaylore is a good fan or not.

Perhaps this thread is misnamed, and really should be "Thread for people who will cover Jake's ass no matter how uninspiring he looks," since that's all this is really about.


Sure, but when Plummer was dead on with quite a few of his short stuff throws that we needed to convert/score and the ball gets dropped who do you blame? When Plummer throws a ball up high (exactly where Walker asked him to throw it) and does for a long gain, why do so many dip****s only complain? When the coverage is there forcing Jake to make a play and he scrambles for a first down why do some people ignore it? I guess the grass is always greener over a septic tank.

Popps
10-15-2006, 09:51 PM
Just a quick question... Is it possible to be happy with a win, but still have criticism for uninspiring performance? I'm asking, because Kaylore started a thread ripping Foster, and I wanted to find out from the "Good Fan Committee" here whether Kaylore is a good fan or not.

Perhaps this thread is misnamed, and really should be "Thread for people who will cover Jake's ass no matter how uninspiring he looks," since that's all this is really about.

Actually, it's our defense I'm happy about. I thought Plummer looked pretty average tonight. Not really a story, either way. I've only posted that 30 times already tonight. I realize you are a one-trick pony, though.
It's the DEFENSE I'm happy about.

But, not that you'd listen to any logic.

Dude, just run along to your 300 other threads and enjoy pissing all over the team. There are plenty of threads for you and Bob to rip us after a win. Why do you feel the need to post on this thread? You just HAVE to try to crap on people's enjoyment of a win, huh?

Popps
10-15-2006, 09:54 PM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/football/nfl/img9731015.jpg

Elvis has entered the building.



... there, I said it.

Taco John
10-15-2006, 09:54 PM
Actually, it's our defense I'm happy about. I thought Plummer looked pretty average tonight. Not really a story, either way. I've only posted that 30 times already tonight. I realize you are a one-trick pony, though.
It's the DEFENSE I'm happy about.

But, not that you'd listen to any logic.

Dude, just run along to your 300 other threads and enjoy pissing all over the team. There are plenty of threads for you and Bob to rip us after a win. Why do you feel the need to post on this thread? You just HAVE to try to crap on people's enjoyment of a win, huh?



I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only thing I've ripped tonight are ASU quarterbacks. Other than that, I'm pretty happy, though I thought our offensive line looked subpar. I do wish we had a quarterback whom our coaches could show some confidence in, but since that's not what we have right now, I'll just be happy with watching our tremendous defense do their thing, and bide my time until the playoffs when you're back to ripping them and calling for Coyer's head. You know it's only a matter of time until you dig that dagger in the defenses backs, so quit pretending.

Popps
10-15-2006, 09:57 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only thing I've ripped tonight are ASU quarterbacks. Other than that, I'm pretty happy, though I thought our offensive line looked subpar. I do wish we had a quarterback whom our coaches could show some confidence in, but since that's not what we have right now, I'll just be happy with watching our tremendous defense do their thing, and bide my time until the playoffs when you're back to ripping them and calling for Coyer's head. You know it's only a matter of time until you dig that dagger in the defenses backs, so quit pretending.

... bla bla bla... I hate Jake... bla bla bla....

Dude, again... why bother with the thread? It's that important to you to piss on the parade, huh?

freak6
10-15-2006, 09:59 PM
[QUOTE=listopencil;1313990]Why argue with the retarded? It's pointless but I'll give it a try. We had a ten point lead and our defense was almost pitching a shutout. The FG came off of a Darrent Williams fumble. [QUOTE]

Nice try Listo.

1. I'll go toe to toe with just about anyone on this board in football knowledge, and would trounce you.

2. I want us to win the SB.

3. This offense is not going to get it done vs teams like the Colts/Chargers and other competition in the playoffs. Not to mention our HC has no confidence in our QB.

4. I know this because the Raiders were in that game, and left points on the field that other teams will convert into points.

5. A ten point lead doesn't mean sht in the NFL. Only a fool like you and whatever tool tried to tell me we were hiding plays because we don't want other teams to see them on film would say something so stupid. It was the most conservative playcalling I have ever seen.

We are all in agreement the offense sucks.

<b>The playcalling is so conservative because Shanny can't trust Jake not to fk up. </b>

Mike Shanahan with any kind of decent QB will always go for the throat and end the fight.

But not with Jake. 13 pts per game.

Not gonna cut it.

But if you are happy with wearing this than so be it.

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snowspot66
10-15-2006, 10:00 PM
What it comes down to is this. Those that hold out hope for Jake and the offense, like myself, are eternal optimists. We've seen the good and hope and cheer for it.

Those who bash Jake and the offense are pesemists. They jump on every little thing that goes wrong and bash it to death.

You know whats gonna change when Cutler becomes the QB? Nothing. Us optimists will go on and cheer for Cutler just as much as we ever did for Jake or Elway. We'll go on saying he's got the talent and ability it'll just be a little time before he gets in sync. The pesemists will go on bashing whenever a mistake is made. It won't be the same as with Jake of course. They'll give allowances for young mistakes but it will always be "Damnit Jay you've gotta improve there, do it fast man those mistakes are killing us! (leaving unsaid the fact that if he doesn't improve theyll be all over his ass in the end as well).

I hereby put for the suggestion that those of us who wish to wear the orange glasses and cheer with the hope of a 10 year old on Christmas have our own little subsection of the forum and the pesemistic bastards have their own little dungeon to bitch and moan in. (The sad thing is I'm only half joking/sarcastic about this suggestion).

ludo21
10-15-2006, 10:00 PM
Funny how one side see's things different. LOL

We are winning thats awesome. Bring on those Brownies.

Ray_Lewis'_Victim
10-15-2006, 10:04 PM
**** all you plummer haters out there. A win is a win is a win. How would Cutler be any better at handing the ball off to tatum 30x? I didn't like a few of Jake's dumbs to Tatum, but they weren't pics or sacs.

Shannahan called conservatively because he could. If our offense's job is only to chew up clock with tatum, that's fine with me. Shannahan knows way more than any of you dumb ****s, so tape it shut.

listopencil
10-15-2006, 10:04 PM
1. I'll go toe to toe with just about anyone on this board in football knowledge, and would trounce you.


Bring it, dumbass. Enlighten us all. Because you haven't brought jack **** to date.

SprintRightOption
10-15-2006, 10:06 PM
Just a quick question... Is it possible to be happy with a win, but still have criticism for uninspiring performance? I'm asking, because Kaylore started a thread ripping Foster, and I wanted to find out from the "Good Fan Committee" here whether Kaylore is a good fan or not.

Perhaps this thread is misnamed, and really should be "Thread for people who will cover Jake's ass no matter how uninspiring he looks," since that's all this is really about.

Actually, Guy Who Trolls his Own Board, it's not covering Jake's ass when someone says this is the worst QB performace ever, or how could Cutler possibly do any worse, and someone else disagrees and says, yeah, this is how it could be worse, or someone disagrees with the wild ramblings of freak6.

There is a huge difference between being a Jake homer (of which noone lately truly is) and not thinking he's the worst QB of all time, or offering a factual statement to counter a unreasonable one. This is not a subtle difference. I know you understand that, but I thought I would say it out loud (metaphorically). There is a difference between being a Jake homer and not agreeing that he will never do anything positive to contribute to a win ever again. Yes, the offense is crappy right now. I think it will get better, and smacking the Raiders around is actually a good thing to me.

Anyway, Popps, listopencil, ClevelandBronco, Alleged Triggerman I agree with you guys absolutely.

Popps
10-15-2006, 10:09 PM
What it comes down to is this. Those that hold out hope for Jake and the offense, like myself, are eternal optimists. We've seen the good and hope and cheer for it.

Those who bash Jake and the offense are pesemists. They jump on every little thing that goes wrong and bash it to death.

You know whats gonna change when Cutler becomes the QB? Nothing. Us optimists will go on and cheer for Cutler just as much as we ever did for Jake or Elway. We'll go on saying he's got the talent and ability it'll just be a little time before he gets in sync. The pesemists will go on bashing whenever a mistake is made. It won't be the same as with Jake of course. They'll give allowances for young mistakes but it will always be "Damnit Jay you've gotta improve there, do it fast man those mistakes are killing us! (leaving unsaid the fact that if he doesn't improve theyll be all over his ass in the end as well).

I hereby put for the suggestion that those of us who wish to wear the orange glasses and cheer with the hope of a 10 year old on Christmas have our own little subsection of the forum and the pesemistic bastards have their own little dungeon to b**** and moan in. (The sad thing is I'm only half joking/sarcastic about this suggestion).

Why do you think I started a thread? It's kind of a shame what this place has become.

Even during the Griese days, you could at least count on some hi-fiving around here after a win. Now, it's all about people being right... crapping on other people's fun, etc.

Whatever. We're winning and playing lights-out defense.

If Jay Cutler is the starter next week, I'll root just as hard and love this team just as much... and you know what, if the D DOES play like this, hell... we might be able to win with a rookie.

But, that's a dead horse topic. Jake will remain the starter, and if this D plays like this all year, I expect big things.

freak6
10-15-2006, 10:11 PM
Bring it, dumbass. Enlighten us all. Because you haven't brought jack **** to date.

Are you kidding me. I've been owning you and eveyone on this thread.

Popps has me on ignore because I have exposed his inability to accurately recant the reality of what happens on the field.

Listo, the Broncos offense sucks. Jake has played terribly this season. The playcalling is clearly conservative because of it. Our running game is outstanding. There is no excuse for the way Plummer has played, yet many of you keep coming up with BS like "we don't want to show our cards" lmao.

The Raiders were right there in that game. They left 13 pts on the field. A missed FG, the fumble, the int.

They could have beaten us tonite. A better team would have.

PARTY ON!!!!

I'm thrilled we won, but it was way to close. We are doomed in January.

Order yours now.

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Taco John
10-15-2006, 10:12 PM
... bla bla bla... I hate Jake... bla bla bla....

Dude, again... why bother with the thread? It's that important to you to piss on the parade, huh?



This is the people who enjoy winning thread, right?

Who has two thumbs and enjoys winnng?

*THIS GUY*


You must think this is the thread for people who are only interested in covering Jake's ass.

Taco John
10-15-2006, 10:14 PM
Why do you think I started a thread? It's kind of a shame what this place has become.

Even during the Griese days, you could at least count on some hi-fiving around here after a win. Now, it's all about people being right... crapping on other people's fun, etc.

Whatever. We're winning and playing lights-out defense.

If Jay Cutler is the starter next week, I'll root just as hard and love this team just as much... and you know what, if the D DOES play like this, hell... we might be able to win with a rookie.

But, that's a dead horse topic. Jake will remain the starter, and if this D plays like this all year, I expect big things.



Says the guy who used to piss all over wins when Griese was the quarterback...

quit pretending.

Odysseus
10-15-2006, 10:15 PM
Why argue with the blind?

It's 5 games in and this moron still watches the offense with his eyes closed, clearly.

Honestly Popps, are you blind.

Do you just listen to the commentators?

Can you change a diaper being blind?

I wonder whatever happened to that Maurice Clarett guy. He seemed like such a nice man. I wonder whatever happened to him? I remember some pretty heated debates FOR him. I wonder who was pimping that guy?

freak6
10-15-2006, 10:17 PM
The worst thing is that this is going to be one big waste this year. It's a damn shame. What a ****ing waste of an outstanding defense. A colossal ****ing waste. If we had even the ok offenses from 03-05, we could do some really awesome things with this D. What a ****ing waste.

lmfao Listo.

I guess you, Popps, and O4L know more about football than me, Slap, SoCal...

Tell me again how we are hiding the real offense because we don't want to show all our plays for teams to study.

I said it once, I'll say it again dude. We haven't clinched HF yet, we didn't just play a meaningless game vs the Dolphins when we know we will be facing them in 2 weeks. Do you even know what I am referrring too?

OWNED

Popps
10-15-2006, 10:17 PM
Says the guy who used to piss all over wins when Griese was the quarterback...

quit pretending.

I loved winning with Griese, and actually thought we had a good shot with him before the shoulder injury. But, when he became a total liability and quit on the team, I was done with him... like most people.

But, keep dwelling on the QB situation there, one-trick.

:welcome:

freak6
10-15-2006, 10:18 PM
I wonder whatever happened to that Maurice Clarett guy. He seemed like such a nice man. I wonder whatever happened to him? I remember some pretty heated debates FOR him. I wonder who was pimping that guy?

Not me quiet. I was shocked we picked him up.

The worst thing is that this is going to be one big waste this year. It's a damn shame. What a ****ing waste of an outstanding defense. A colossal ****ing waste. If we had even the ok offenses from 03-05, we could do some really awesome things with this D. What a ****ing waste.

I'm still holding out hope that the O comes around, but nothing different has happened through 5 games, and it was the same old BS vs the WORST TEAM IN THE NFL...

Hope is dwindling fast for this offense.

Popps
10-15-2006, 10:18 PM
I wonder whatever happened to that Maurice Clarett guy. He seemed like such a nice man. I wonder whatever happened to him? I remember some pretty heated debates FOR him. I wonder who was pimping that guy?

LOL

SprintRightOption
10-15-2006, 10:21 PM
Are you kidding me. I've been owning you and eveyone on this thread.


You know guy, it is an immutable law of the internet that someone who repeatedly says "I am pwning you!" or "Another excuse shot down!" in an argument is pretty much NEVER winning.

You have almost convinced me not to vote democratic in the election because anything you agree with by definition must be either dead wrong or absolutely insane. Thankfully, I don't make political decisions based on football boards, but do us all a favor and stop posting on this thread. There are many others that suit your special brand of blowhard histrionics.

Odysseus
10-15-2006, 10:21 PM
Says the guy who used to piss all over wins when Griese was the quarterback...

quit pretending.

You took the bait. Now you are going to get accused of supporting Griese. It's like Neo and Agent Smith with you two. It's inevitable.

Barry Ramey
10-15-2006, 10:23 PM
Good grief. Cutler is not goign to start unless Plummer gets hurt. No way a rookie QB is going to thrive in this offense. Shanahan is being conservative with his playcalling this year and that wouldn't change with Cutler. In fact, he's get even more conservative with a rookie QB. So people can stop dreaming about Cutler starting this year. I know people like him because he has a strong arm, but there's kind of more to the QB position than that.

Walker had the big catch of the night. Bell ran pretty well at times.

The TE is still not involved much in the passing game. That needs to change.

Sapp drops a sure TD pass. I'm sure the Plummer haters blame him for it of course. But anyway, Kyle Johnson rarely drops passes, surprised he wasn't in the game at that time.

The defense doesn't allow a TD yet again. They still leave too many receivers open playing that soft zone crap, but they clam down when they need to, though I'm afraid down the road a really good offense could pick apart that soft zone.

DJ Williams had a great game. Dumervil with his first sacks tonight.

Darrent with a nice punt return, then blows it by dropping the ball. Morgan with a nice kick return nullified by a penalty. Ernster had a solid game.

Nice win to get, a conference game at home you must win to have a chance at the division title.

Browns game could be tricky. I hope the Broncos come to play. They seemed asleep at times tonight for some reason.

freak6
10-15-2006, 10:26 PM
There are many others that suit your special brand of blowhard histrionics.

Instead of bsing around, why don't you quote something I say, and try to prove it wrong?

Because you can't. I'll tear you, and anyone else up in this debate, because facts are facts.

The offense sucks. It is to conservative, because of the QB situation.

I am happy with how Jake played tonite btw. Sapp should have caught that ball. Jake did fine by me for what was called.

The problem is that by Jake being in there it limits the playcalling. And when the sht hits the fan, Jake chokes.

Popps
10-15-2006, 10:28 PM
You took the bait. Now you are going to get accused of supporting Griese. It's like Neo and Agent Smith with you two. It's inevitable.

Nah.

He supported Griese, that's his business.

Just wanted to dedicate a thread to a little positive chatter about a win over the rai_ers.

Naturally, he couldn't let that go on. All he needs to do is just avoid the thread.... and he just can't do it.

freak6
10-15-2006, 10:30 PM
FTR!!!

4-1

Here's to hopes our defense will keep averaging a Red Zone turnover or two a game...lmao (line borrowed from Slap...bwa ha haaa)

The worst thing is that this is going to be one big waste this year. It's a damn shame. What a ****ing waste of an outstanding defense. A colossal ****ing waste. If we had even the ok offenses from 03-05, we could do some really awesome things with this D. What a ****ing waste.

Taco John
10-15-2006, 10:37 PM
You took the bait. Now you are going to get accused of supporting Griese. It's like Neo and Agent Smith with you two. It's inevitable.


I'll admit it... I supported Griese. I wish Shanahan would have dumbed down the offense for him like he's doing for Plummer. We might have had much better luck then. The nice thing is that Shanahan learns from his mistakes. The sad thing is, he gets a little gun shy to take risks that might repeat a mistake... which leads to more mistakes.

That's alright. I'm onboard with Shanahan, even if I have to wait to see our real quarterback take the field. We're winning now, so I'm ok with that. I'm worried that our derfense may be peaking early, and may need our offense to rescue them down the line, and the backlash that they'll get from those biased towards Jake.

mosca
10-15-2006, 10:47 PM
I love how everyone on here is an expert at predicting the future of the season. So many seem to have the attitude that, yeah, winning these 13-3 games based off of the tuff D we have is just okay, not great... ho-hum. More so, they're flat out pissed because they -know- for a 100% fact that we'll get beat down the line by some of the "better" teams or get beat in the playoffs again.

I wonder, if the team keeps playing this style of ball, reminiscent of the 2000 Baltimore squad, and wins a ring in the same fashion, will these same "fans" just brush off the SB victory and complain about how eventually our good D won't be enough to keep winning the following season?

Let's face it guys, the D is playing great, the O is playing like crap, but those things are not set in stone. Live for the now, enjoy the win and hope that the team can continually improve and have a good showing this post-season.

Pick Six
10-15-2006, 10:49 PM
We are 4-1 with a two game lead on KC. WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was hoping that SF would beat the Chargers. I knew it was wishful thinking, but I was hoping, anyway...:thumbsup:

Popps
10-15-2006, 10:59 PM
Let's face it guys, the D is playing great, the O is playing like crap, but those things are not set in stone. Live for the now, enjoy the win and hope that the team can continually improve and have a good showing this post-season.

Exactly. Maybe watching the games with my baby girl is making me soft or something, because I just don't have it in me to get too pissed off when we're 4-1 and have beaten two divisional rivals.

Had a great time today, as I have the last few weeks. I think there's great reason to be optimistic for this year, and going forward.

You have to enjoy the ride a little bit, because you don't always get to the destination in the NFL.

enjolras
10-15-2006, 11:00 PM
This game was a freaking replay of the Chiefs game... It was a game against a rookie QB in which Shannahan was determined to make that young QB win it. He's 2-2 in that situation this year... both times a highly conservative offensive gameplan worked.

I argued in week 2 that he wasn't protecting Plummer, merely trying to put the game on Huards shoulders... the Pats game the following week would seem to have indicated I was right. I think he did the same thing here tonight...

The key statistic in this game? The offense didn't turn the ball over once (the only turnover being on a return). Their rookie QB threw a key interception. Shannahan clearly beleived the Raiders couldn't execute under pressure and he was (again) right.

I've been gleefully laughing at the idiots in Dallas who think Tony Romo is going to be an upgrade over Bledsoe. The Cutler insanity in Bronco land is even worse.

Drek
10-15-2006, 11:01 PM
I wonder, if the team keeps playing this style of ball, reminiscent of the 2000 Baltimore squad, and wins a ring in the same fashion, will these same "fans" just brush off the SB victory and complain about how eventually our good D won't be enough to keep winning the following season?

Let's face it guys, the D is playing great, the O is playing like crap, but those things are not set in stone. Live for the now, enjoy the win and hope that the team can continually improve and have a good showing this post-season.
I think everyone's real problem, and why so many are brushing off a 4-1 start, is that the offense, lead by Jake, really has been THAT BAD.

We should have put up 17 tonight, as Sapp should have given Plummer a TD pass early in the game, but that didn't happen, Cecil's bad. From there on out it was clear that Shanahan was putting the training wheels on for Jake.

I say there's something rotten in Denver when we're running on 3rd and long every chance we get. Its clear that Shanahan is putting the training wheels on Jake as soon as we get a lead now. That SHOULD scare people. Its one thing if we're just playing a protect the ball, slow it down offense where we run a lot and pass enough to keep the other team honest, but we didn't even do that tonight. The Raiders knew we were running every down, stacking the box, but just couldn't stop us enough because they suck that badly.

I don't expect the training wheels to be welded on to Jake though. Shanahan will give him chances to make more plays. I just wish we used this game as an opportunity to exercise those playmaking muscles when we had many, many chances. Instead we played it close to the vest. I can see Shanahan's reasoning, the last thing you want is a Jake INT at home against the Raiders, leading to the entire stadium chanting for Cutler and potentially blowing a game against the hated rivals. But it still scares the hell out of me that this offense hasn't gotten going all season long and when we face a team that we could potentially open the playbook up on we actually locked it down tighter than ever before.

Taco John
10-15-2006, 11:02 PM
I love how everyone on here is an expert at predicting the future of the season. So many seem to have the attitude that, yeah, winning these 13-3 games based off of the tuff D we have is just okay, not great... ho-hum. More so, they're flat out pissed because they -know- for a 100% fact that we'll get beat down the line by some of the "better" teams or get beat in the playoffs again.

I wonder, if the team keeps playing this style of ball, reminiscent of the 2000 Baltimore squad, and wins a ring in the same fashion, will these same "fans" just brush off the SB victory and complain about how eventually our good D won't be enough to keep winning the following season?

Let's face it guys, the D is playing great, the O is playing like crap, but those things are not set in stone. Live for the now, enjoy the win and hope that the team can continually improve and have a good showing this post-season.



That's funny, because I love these "experts" who tell me that just because I look at what can be improved on our team, I'm not enjoying this win.

Of course, that's not what any of this is about. We can complain about a lack of pass rush, or criticize the quality of our offensive line until the cows come home after a win. We can bash our defensive coordinator, and we can rip our receivers all we want and not be accused of being bad fans after a win. But the micro-second we say something ill about Plummer, the "Good Fan Police" come out and start beating us down like we're Rodney King on crack at the policeman's ball.

This is just about covering for Plummer. But more than that, it's just about wanting desperately to be right about him after defending him all offseason, and resorting to low ball tactics like calling other Broncos fans bad fans for their unfavorable analysis of the guy.

Popps
10-15-2006, 11:15 PM
This is just about covering for Plummer. .

Plummer was an absolute non-issue tonight. I'm not sure why this could possibly have anything to do with him.

But, you just keep coming in here trying to crap on it, Taco. You can't help yourself.

By the way, I'm confident that if this defense played this way all season... Cutler could win a championship.

Furthermore, if Cutler is put in next weekend, I'll be thrilled to be rooting for him.

So, take your disturbing infatuation to one of the 300 other threads you've created about how much you hate our quarterback. It's just bizarre, dude.
But, you can't help yourself. Here comes another post to try to crap on the fun............

DBroncos4life
10-15-2006, 11:18 PM
I like winning and I like our winning QB. :pimp:

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:06 AM
I like winning and I like our winning QB. :pimp:

Wow, now I've got this Jesterhole (?) person leaving negative rep insults about my 4 month old daughter, and family.

That's taking being pissed about us winning to a new extreme.

Taco, any forum rules on people slandering your family for no apparent reason? Maybe stepping over a line, there? Just wondering. I kind of doubt that's why the rep feature was put in place.

Ahhh, the internet. Where tiny, weak people can hide behind a keyboard.

DBroncos4life
10-16-2006, 01:08 AM
Wow, now I've got this Jesterhole (?) person leaving negative rep insults about my 4 month old daughter, and family.

That's taking being pissed about us winning to a new extreme.

Taco, any forum rules on people slandering your family for no apparent reason? Maybe stepping over a line, there? Just wondering. I kind of doubt that's why the rep feature was put in place.

Ahhh, the internet. Where tiny, weak people can hide behind a keyboard.

Nope, well atleast I didn't get anywhere with that complaint.

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:12 AM
Nope, well atleast I didn't get anywhere with that complaint.

Wow, and I would have thought this was an isolated incident. This happened to you?

I wonder how bad of a hand life had to deal you to take it out on a 4 month old girl?

Not that I give a rat's ass, of course.... just seems like something a forum owner would want a lot of going on in today's climate.

NFLBRONCO
10-16-2006, 01:13 AM
I'm really happy to see DJ making plays this year. I think Elvis is going to help our pass rush too.

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:21 AM
I'm really happy to see DJ making plays this year. I think Elvis is going to help our pass rush too.

Our team-speed on D is always praised. But, we look particularly fast this year. You almost never see RBs getting outside on us. There's just ridiculous closing speed at almost every position aside from safety, and even those guys can hold their own. Lynch gets there on instinct.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2006, 01:29 AM
Our team-speed on D is always praised. But, we look particularly fast this year. You almost never see RBs getting outside on us. There's just ridiculous closing speed at almost every position aside from safety, and even those guys can hold their own. Lynch gets there on instinct.

Lynch has been well-above-average if not great on his backside pursuit this season. He's also been improved in coverage. I have been impressed. I expected him to slip, but he's improved. He wants to win one this season.

DBroncos4life
10-16-2006, 01:31 AM
Wow, and I would have thought this was an isolated incident. This happened to you?

I wonder how bad of a hand life had to deal you to take it out on a 4 month old girl?

Not that I give a rat's ass, of course.... just seems like something a forum owner would want a lot of going on in today's climate.

It involved my child and was directed more towards me then my child, but uncool none the less. Water under the bridge I guess.

Taco John
10-16-2006, 01:35 AM
Wow, now I've got this Jesterhole (?) person leaving negative rep insults about my 4 month old daughter, and family.

That's taking being pissed about us winning to a new extreme.

Taco, any forum rules on people slandering your family for no apparent reason? Maybe stepping over a line, there? Just wondering. I kind of doubt that's why the rep feature was put in place.

Ahhh, the internet. Where tiny, weak people can hide behind a keyboard.


Absolutely. 60 day ban the first time. IP ban the second.

His account is dead until December 1st. If he tries to log in under another username, I'll catch his IP, and yank it for good.

Taco John
10-16-2006, 01:36 AM
Nope, well atleast I didn't get anywhere with that complaint.

I don't remember ever receiving a complaint from you on that.

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:50 AM
Absolutely. 60 day ban the first time. IP ban the second.

His account is dead until December 1st. If he tries to log in under another username, I'll catch his IP, and yank it for good.

I figured that might not fly around here.

As dippy as you are about football, you run a very tight ship from a logistical standpoint.

Kaylore
10-16-2006, 02:00 AM
Lynch gets there on instinct.
Actually it's just the wisdom of an intelligent veteran. Rookies run on instinct and talent. Veterans make plays on recognition and skill.

Popps
10-16-2006, 02:23 AM
Actually it's just the wisdom of an intelligent veteran. Rookies run on instinct and talent. Veterans make plays on recognition and skill.

You say toMAto.

We're saying the same thing. He diagnoses plays before they happen, which allows him to get a step on things...making up for any speed he may be lacking at his age. (Though, he looks fast enough to me)

To me, it looks instinctual to him at this point, but yea... it's all based on experience.

Northman
10-16-2006, 02:30 AM
whoopsie freakin doo, we beat the Raiders at home 13-3!!

Jake Plummer PASSING 11/18 102 5.7 0 0
Jake Plummer RUSHING 6 30 5.0 0 19

Rod Smith 1 12 12.0 0 12

3rd down efficiency
5-11

Do you really think Shanahan has any confidence left in Plummer as an actual passer? He is making him one dimensional, He has turned him into an athlete playing QB. He has no confidence in him as a pure passer, let alone a WC Offense QB.It may be worse than Marty Ball. I guess Mike realizes that the D is really good esp. the secondary and the DL has improved in getting to the QB. The LBs are all Pro Bowl Caliber. Javon Walker is easily the number one receiver and with a real strong armed and accurate passer would be going to the Pro Bowl one year after tearing up his knee.

I have a hunch that it's painfully obvious to everyone in the organization RIGHT NOW during practices that Cutler is easily the WAY BETTER QB. By this point just judging by his mechanics, talent and his intagibles along with his natural coolness and poise in the pocket that he should be the one starting and can take over the reigns no problem.

The only reason why MS can't pull the plug on Plummer is because of player loyalty. I believe MS is purposely at this point handcuffing Plummer, MS gave him a chance and really let Mike down in the opener. The playbook has been dramatically scaled back since the STL game. MS lost total trust in Plummer, i bet he was shocked that Plummer came out and played so poor after his last showing in the AFCC and having a whole offseason to atleast improve his ability to go through his reads and make smart accurate throws.

MS is trying to make it a point that Cutler is ready to play and take over. He is smart enough to let the team make the decision for him. This type of offense is completely unacceptable for the type of standards Mike has established. Easily more anemic than even the Griese years.

No fire, no attack mentality, the bootleg has gotten old, since teams can take it away by just playing honest and waiting on Plummer to lead the D player to the ball.

MS is a really stubborn man, he knows that his approach may cost us a loss or two but he can't devide the team. Shanahan will replace Plummer before the season is over. Honestly he owes it to his players


Welcome to Marty ball. See Sig.

DBroncos4life
10-16-2006, 03:01 AM
I don't remember ever receiving a complaint from you on that.

maybe I left that part out but Im pretty sure it was mentioned to atleast one of your mods and Im also pretty sure you have a good idea of the person that I was complaining about. Regardless it came from one of the more respected members of this board, more so then I and I didn't expect much to come from it.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 05:21 AM
Wow, now I've got this Jesterhole (?) person leaving negative rep insults about my 4 month old daughter, and family.

What were the insults?


It's a good thing the Raiders offense was more inept than ours last night. It's nice being 4-1 but I don't think very many people were jumping up and down, high 5ing everyone in the room after this one was finally over.

Florida_Bronco
10-16-2006, 05:33 AM
Sorry to hear about that loser insulting your daughter and family, Popps, but put me down as someone who loves to WIN!!

Barry Ramey
10-16-2006, 06:31 AM
The problem with Griese is when teams blitzed, he was as good as sacked. Had no quickness in or around the pocket to give himself time to throw, forget about taking off down the field.

Like with Plummer, there doesn't seem to be a short outlet route very often when the QB needs to get rid of the ball quickly.

Like with Griese, the TE spot has been practically nonexistent in the passing game. Even Sharpe wasn't doing much when Griese was the QB.

Seems to me there needs to be an outlet valve to the QB when the intended receiver isn't open, which seems a lot these days. Whether there is or not, I don't know, but just seems odd for awhile now when Bronco QB's go back to pass, they have troubles finding guys open.

Rock Chalk
10-16-2006, 06:42 AM
I didnt even want to come here last night.

Seriously, Taco and his cronies have ruined this message board this year.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 06:46 AM
I didnt even want to come here last night.
Seriously, Taco and his cronies have ruined this message board this year.
Ah, damn, that's really a shame you're not happy here anymore!

Hercules Rockefeller
10-16-2006, 06:54 AM
Like with Plummer, there doesn't seem to be a short outlet route very often when the QB needs to get rid of the ball quickly.


The routes are there, the WRs just aren't open because defenses have no respect for Jake and sit on the short routes.

broncsyanks
10-16-2006, 06:59 AM
to the person who made insults to a 4 month old daughter. you are an embarrassment to the human race. you can disagree all you want about our team. that is cool. its what fans do. but to say anything about a child is classless. i hope you kiss your mother with that mouth so that she can taste the rotten thing she created. to popps sorry to hear that man. that sucks and is inexcusable.

yes i love winning. but what makes everyone upset i believe is not so much that our offense was lagging again but the fact that it was the raiders!!

to me that is what hurts. i hate them and wanted to trounce them. but i am not going to say i dont like winning. just wanted a real spanking on the raiders. if the roles were reversed i KNOW FOR A FACT that the raiders and art shell would have ran the score up. madden said shanny played a defensive minded coaching game.

Taco John
10-16-2006, 07:08 AM
I didnt even want to come here last night.

Seriously, Taco and his cronies have ruined this message board this year.



It's great when I get blamed for Jake's performance!

That's a new one for me! ROFL!

Does he blame Shanahan for drafting Cutler and signalling the end of the Jake era? Does he blame Jake for making our offensive mastermind look like Brian Billick?

No. He blames me! Hilarious! As if this same discussion isn't happening on every Broncos board on the Internet.

This is how clueless and out of touch Plummer's supporters have gotten. No sense of reality anymore.

bendog
10-16-2006, 07:23 AM
Jake sucks. This thread sucks. IFOPOUo it, I suck for even posting on this thread!!!!

btw, I think Jake's passer rating in the NE game was 101.something, and efficiency wise last night, he was Otto Gramish.... but I'm not on the Jake bandwagon.

I don't know what game I watched. When Champ intercepted the pass at the half, it was over. Actually it was over the minute Den made it a 2 td or 3 score game for Oak. The one critical thing I will say is that if I were Shanny, I'd have given Mike Bell a few more carries.

Ok, I gotta get back to thinking sucky thoughts .... GD, can that bet me banned?

Spider
10-16-2006, 07:25 AM
Jake sucks. This thread sucks. IFOPOUo it, I suck for even posting on this thread!!!!

btw, I think Jake's passer rating in the NE game was 101.something, and efficiency wise last night, he was Otto Gramish.... but I'm not on the Jake bandwagon.

I don't know what game I watched. When Champ intercepted the pass at the half, it was over. Actually it was over the minute Den made it a 2 td or 3 score game for Oak. The one critical thing I will say is that if I were Shanny, I'd have given Mike Bell a few more carries.

Ok, I gotta get back to thinking sucky thoughts .... GD, can that bet me banned?
LOL

Rock Chalk
10-16-2006, 07:54 AM
It's great when I get blamed for Jake's performance!

That's a new one for me! ROFL!

You are such a ****ing idiot. What was so bad abut Jake? 61% (shoulda been at least 66% with a TD but Cecil Sapp sucks), threw the ball well tonight, yet here you are being your typical clueless *****ucking self.

Does he blame Shanahan for drafting Cutler and signalling the end of the Jake era? Does he blame Jake for making our offensive mastermind look like Brian Billick?

Im not blaming Shanny and if Jake leaves thats fine but he is our QB, there is not ****ing controvery you ****ing moron. Only in your mind because you and your idiotic ****ing cronies think Cutler should be starting. Suck a ****.

No. He blames me! Hilarious! As if this same discussion isn't happening on every Broncos board on the Internet.

I blame you for making this board a piece of **** when it was once so good.

This is how clueless and out of touch Plummer's supporters have gotten. No sense of reality anymore.
You dip**** dumbass stupid mother ****er. Im not a Plummer supporter, Im a Bronco supporter and Im not going to sit here and listen to a bunch of crying whining ******s because we arent putting up statistics yet, we are winning football games.

I made this post fully expecting your p***Y ass to ban me, because quite frankly, this place isnt even worth coming to anymore. You can keep your Cutler dick up your ass all ****ing year for all I care and trust me dip****, Im not alone. There are a ****load of people with me here fed up with this ****. 4-1 and all you and your horse**** little followers do is b**** because we dont have payton manning ****ing numbers. Eat **** and die.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John View Post
It's great when I get blamed for Jake's performance!
Originally Posted by Alec

I made this post fully expecting your p***Y ass to ban me, because quite frankly, this place isnt even worth coming to anymore. You can keep your Cutler dick up your ass all ****ing year for all I care and trust me dip****, Im not alone. There are a ****load of people with me here fed up with this ****. 4-1 and all you and your horse**** little followers do is b**** because we dont have payton manning ****ing numbers. Eat **** and die.

Originally Posted by Alec
You are such a ****ing idiot. What was so bad abut Jake? 61% (shoulda been at least 66% with a TD but Cecil Sapp sucks), threw the ball well tonight, yet here you are being your typical clueless ****sucking self.
LOL

What a whining little twerp!

Taco John
10-16-2006, 08:03 AM
You are such a ****ing idiot. What was so bad abut Jake? 61% (shoulda been at least 66% with a TD but Cecil Sapp sucks), threw the ball well tonight, yet here you are being your typical clueless *****ucking self.

Im not blaming Shanny and if Jake leaves thats fine but he is our QB, there is not ****ing controvery you ****ing moron. Only in your mind because you and your idiotic ****ing cronies think Cutler should be starting. Suck a ****.

I blame you for making this board a piece of **** when it was once so good.

You dip**** dumbass stupid mother ****er. Im not a Plummer supporter, Im a Bronco supporter and Im not going to sit here and listen to a bunch of crying whining ******s because we arent putting up statistics yet, we are winning football games.

I made this post fully expecting your p***Y ass to ban me, because quite frankly, this place isnt even worth coming to anymore. You can keep your Cutler **** up your ass all ****ing year for all I care and trust me dip****, Im not alone. There are a ****load of people with me here fed up with this ****. 4-1 and all you and your horse**** little followers do is b**** because we dont have payton manning ****ing numbers. Eat **** and die.



ROFL! LOL ROFL! LOL ROFL!

Doesn't he sound *just* so happy we won!?

Every Broncos board on the Internet are raising the same concerns. We're tied for dead last in touchdowns scored with the worst franchise in all of sports, and you want people to drop any analysis of what's going on and just hold hands and sing?

There are two people you can blame: Mike Shanahan and Jake Plummer.

Meck77
10-16-2006, 08:07 AM
There are two people you can blame: Mike Shanahan and Jake Plummer.

Wrong wrong...DEAD WRONG.... AGAIN

Pat Bowlen writes the check. If you don't like what's going on I'd put a call into Mr. Bowlen. It can be done. I've done it. He didn't call me back but I did put my call in. :rofl:

Oh and there are 10 other guys on the field. Football is a team sport. I learned that in pop warner.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 08:09 AM
ROFL! LOL ROFL! LOL ROFL!

Doesn't he sound *just* so happy we won!?

Every Broncos board on the Internet are raising the same concerns. We're tied for dead last in touchdowns scored with the worst franchise in all of sports, and you want people to drop any analysis of what's going on and just hold hands and sing?

There are two people you can blame: Mike Shanahan and Jake Plummer.
Yeah, but the question is, is your "****ing idiot, Cutler **** up your ass, typical clueless co****cking self, Suck a ****, p***Yass" going to ban him http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/13.gif

Taco John
10-16-2006, 08:21 AM
Wrong wrong...DEAD WRONG.... AGAIN

Pat Bowlen writes the check. If you don't like what's going on I'd put a call into Mr. Bowlen. It can be done. I've done it. He didn't call me back but I did put my call in. :rofl:

Oh and there are 10 other guys on the field. Football is a team sport. I learned that in pop warner.



Not wrong at all. Mike Shanahan drafted Jay Cutler, leading to the atmosphere that we're in now. And Jake Plummer has lead the team the the fewest amount of touchdowns the Broncos have ever experienced in a 5 game stretch in the history of the Broncos, which gave the atmosphere that Shanahan enabled by the drafting of Cutler a boost.

You can call Pat Bowlen if you want, but it won't do you any good whatsoever. Shanahan is Pat's guy, and no amount of phone calls is going to change that.

Taco John
10-16-2006, 08:25 AM
Yeah, but the question is, is your "****ing idiot, Cutler **** up your ass, typical clueless co****cking self, Suck a ****, p***Yass" going to ban him http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/13.gif




Nah. Alec's hate is a personal issue that consumes him, and I'm not going to give him what he wants unless he forces the issue. He's a smart guy when he's not letting his demons speak through him. His hatefullness will manifest wherever he goes and he knows it. He just has picked me as his current target of hate. He says he's leaving the board... maybe the third time is the charm, eh? I doubt it though. He's a creature of habit with (obviously) little self control.

Barry Ramey
10-16-2006, 08:46 AM
It does appear some enjoy bashing Plummer more than the Broncos winning games. I am also wondering if those people would enjoy the Broncos being 1-4 right now so Shanahan would be tempted to go with Cutler, who isn't ready, but gee, he can throw farther and harder though.

enjolras
10-16-2006, 08:49 AM
Not wrong at all. Mike Shanahan drafted Jay Cutler, leading to the atmosphere that we're in now. And Jake Plummer has lead the team the the fewest amount of touchdowns the Broncos have ever experienced in a 5 game stretch in the history of the Broncos, which gave the atmosphere that Shanahan enabled by the drafting of Cutler a boost.

Of course you completely left out the little tidbit about 4 wins in that 5 game stretch with 2 of those coming against division leaders (1 on the road).

The fact is the offense has played efficiently enough to win ballgames (go ahead, dispute THAT). They are 6th in the league in rushing. Jake has thrown 2 interceptions in the last 4 games.

Has Jake looked good? Not really... but the offense has shown the ability to control the clock and make big plays down the field when they need to. They are winning games by getting in front and letting the defense bring them home. That's a formula that has won a LOT of superbowls. It may not be the high flying Broncos we are used to, but it's exactly the type of team that has historically done very well come playoff time.

broncsyanks
10-16-2006, 08:59 AM
Has Jake looked good? Not really... but the offense has shown the ability to control the clock and make big plays down the field when they need to.

enjolres wrote

radiers clock TOp was 31:24
broncos TOP was 28:24
not accurate about TOP
and there was only 1 big play 54 yard pass to javon. take that away-- 50 yards passing-- and only 17 attempts. you do the math about the avg. pass per yard

Taco John
10-16-2006, 09:01 AM
Of course you completely left out the little tidbit about 4 wins in that 5 game stretch with 2 of those coming against division leaders (1 on the road).

I'm just as proud that our defense has managed to keep us in, and even win games as the next guy. I didn't forget that at all.

Jason in LA
10-16-2006, 09:12 AM
Maybe there should be a thread for people who enjoy winning the Super Bowl. At this point, it's hard to believe that the Broncos can win the Super Bowl with no passing game.

jonny1
10-16-2006, 10:41 AM
Just a few little tidbits for those who are saying "they should have blown out the worst team in the league . . ."

One, three other "worst team in the league" candidates won yesterday. All three of them on the road.

Two, the Faders are ranked #8 in total defense.

All 4 wins have been against defenses in the top half of the league, and that includes KC even after yesterday.

So back to the original intent of the thread, I love the win, and I will enjoy it all week.

Los Broncos
10-16-2006, 10:44 AM
I wish it would of been a big blow out, but we won and thats all that matters, move on get ready for next week.

Popps
10-16-2006, 10:56 AM
to the person who made insults to a 4 month old daughter. you are an embarrassment to the human race. you can disagree all you want about our team. that is cool. its what fans do. but to say anything about a child is classless. i hope you kiss your mother with that mouth so that she can taste the rotten thing she created. to popps sorry to hear that man. that sucks and is inexcusable.

yes i love winning. but what makes everyone upset i believe is not so much that our offense was lagging again but the fact that it was the raiders!!

to me that is what hurts. i hate them and wanted to trounce them. but i am not going to say i dont like winning. just wanted a real spanking on the raiders. if the roles were reversed i KNOW FOR A FACT that the raiders and art shell would have ran the score up. madden said shanny played a defensive minded coaching game.

True, though we DID see a pretty good melt-down. :) I mean, I almost felt sorry for Lamont Jordan there, for a minute.

Then I remembered that he was a rai_er, and that went away.

Mediator12
10-16-2006, 10:58 AM
Of course you completely left out the little tidbit about 4 wins in that 5 game stretch with 2 of those coming against division leaders (1 on the road).

The fact is the offense has played efficiently enough to win ballgames (go ahead, dispute THAT). They are 6th in the league in rushing. Jake has thrown 2 interceptions in the last 4 games.

Has Jake looked good? Not really... but the offense has shown the ability to control the clock and make big plays down the field when they need to. They are winning games by getting in front and letting the defense bring them home. That's a formula that has won a LOT of superbowls. It may not be the high flying Broncos we are used to, but it's exactly the type of team that has historically done very well come playoff time.

Here is where people are willing to throw out all reason in order to prove a point.

1. The offense has not played efficiently enough to win games. Period. The defense has played beyond dominant and allowed less than 8 points per game. Just because the Broncos have won, does not mean the offense has received a passing grade.

Case in point, they are 31st in scoring and averaging just enough points to beat one team under that average, yes the Raiders. If the Broncos have not held teams 13 points below their respective scoring averages the Broncos would be 0-5 right now if the defense was just average.

2. Getting in front? When ???

The broncos scored their first first quarter points last night. Hell they have scored just 33 points in the first half, less than a TD. That's not getting ahead, that's pathetic.

Rohirrim
10-16-2006, 10:59 AM
Popps, you have a beautiful little daughter.

Am I happy we're winning. Hell, yeah! Am I also keeping an eye out on the rest of the AFC and wondering if we have the offense to take us all the way? You betcha. Sure am proud of that D, though. No doubt about that. That D can take the Broncos all the way. The O is firing on 3 or 4 plugs.

Popps
10-16-2006, 11:00 AM
Here is where people are willing to throw out all reason in order to prove a point.

1. The offense has not played efficiently enough to win games. Period.

Ummm... we won, right? We've won 4 and only lost 1, right? Our offense scored all the points right? Our offense scored more than the other offense, right?

Who's throwing logic out the window, again?

Popps
10-16-2006, 11:06 AM
Popps, you have a beautiful little daughter.

Am I happy we're winning. Hell, yeah! Am I also keeping an eye out on the rest of the AFC and wondering if we have the offense to take us all the way? You betcha. Sure am proud of that D, though. No doubt about that. That D can take the Broncos all the way. The O is firing on 3 or 4 plugs.

Thanks Ro.

Well, you've been at this a while... so it's no surprise you'd come off with a logical outlook like that. It's more the "new," internet type fan that I think feels he/she needs to spoil every victory for other fans.

Totally agree, and I said it on another thread... Jay Cutler could probably step in and win a SB if this defense played like this all year. It's fantastic.
That said, I'm with you... hoping we turn it up a notch. I mean, there's good reason to believe we will. Offense hasn't been a real problem for us to this point. I think it's just a matter of getting traction and momentum. Keep in mind, there are a couple of new "main guys" on that O. It might be a bit of a transition we're seeing, and no question... Plummer can play better.

Still, there's a ton of reasons to be optimistic for this season and beyond.
Glad you're enjoying it. Great time to be a Broncos fan.

ludo21
10-16-2006, 11:08 AM
But...but..but... if..if.. wed.. be...0-5.....

but...

NOT "IFS" OR "BUTS" our record is what it is, this is the NFL folks, you take them however you can.

4-1 baby, ill take that everyday of the week,especially when 2 of those wins can against playoff caliber teams.

Drek
10-16-2006, 11:29 AM
4-1 is nice, but it isn't going to win the game for us next week, the week after that, etc.. We've got another 11 games to go and we won't win consistantly with how the offense has been playing.

If you'd rather languish in the warm fuzzies of a 13-3 win over a ****ty team, go ahead, but don't get on people's case who have evey reason to be very concerned about the weak offensive production we've wittnessed to date this season.

Enjoy your obtuse mindset, most of us can't though as we know sooner or later teams will actually score double digits on us, at which point we might very well be screwed.

loborugger
10-16-2006, 11:48 AM
Wow, Popps. What a load of crap. The civility on this board has definitely gone down in the past 4 years. I remember the debates about Greise. There was those who hated him, those who loved him, and the inbetween, just as now. However, there was 1/10 the venom and nastiness as there is now. The personal attacks on this board are over the top anymore.

You have a little cutie.... Good thread... lets take it to the Brownies next week. I will gladly endure the whining if we can pocket another W in 6 days.

Northman
10-16-2006, 11:53 AM
I made this post fully expecting your p***Y ass to ban me, because quite frankly, this place isnt even worth coming to anymore. You can keep your Cutler dick up your ass all ****ing year for all I care and trust me dip****, Im not alone. There are a ****load of people with me here fed up with this ****. 4-1 and all you and your horse**** little followers do is b**** because we dont have payton manning ****ing numbers. Eat **** and die.


Promise? :thumbsup:

Popps
10-16-2006, 11:56 AM
4-1 is nice, but it isn't going to win the game for us next week, the week after that, etc.. We've got another 11 games to go and we won't win consistantly with how the offense has been playing.

If you'd rather languish in the warm fuzzies of a 13-3 win over a ****ty team, go ahead, but don't get on people's case who have evey reason to be very concerned about the weak offensive production we've wittnessed to date this season.

Enjoy your obtuse mindset, most of us can't though as we know sooner or later teams will actually score double digits on us, at which point we might very well be screwed.

Hilarious!

For that matter, we're all going to die, eventually. What's the point, right?

Popps
10-16-2006, 12:03 PM
Wow, Popps. What a load of crap. The civility on this board has definitely gone down in the past 4 years. I remember the debates about Greise. There was those who hated him, those who loved him, and the inbetween, just as now. However, there was 1/10 the venom and nastiness as there is now. The personal attacks on this board are over the top anymore.

You have a little cutie.... Good thread... lets take it to the Brownies next week. I will gladly endure the whining if we can pocket another W in 6 days.

Yep, winning apparently makes a lot of people very angry, to the extent that Iwonder... why bother? This thread is a perfect example. All people who disagree had to do was simply avoid it. Yet, so many found it necessary to force the gloom and doom on people... as if there weren't 200 threads already dedicated to that.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words... and here's hoping the Broncos keep pissing off the fans around here.
:~ohyah!:

Drek
10-16-2006, 12:32 PM
Hilarious!

For that matter, we're all going to die, eventually. What's the point, right?


Enjoy your obtuse mindset

See Popps, you don't come here to talk football, you come here to defend Jake. I can't really blame you, as it seems like 50% of this board only comes here to bash the guy. But that doesn't mean the reasonable ones amongst us should join a side and go along with the retard parade.

We can't do anything about the team, that's Shanahan's job, but we can discuss what we see and what we think about it. Its supposed to be enjoyable and educational, hearing other viewpoints about our team and rationally discussing them.

Just because we're winning doesn't mean there aren't problems, just like when we lose games there are positives to discuss. Right now we're winning, as we should because this team is about 95% positives. But we have legitimate weaknesses to discuss, such as Warren's fat ass doing nothing to earn his paycheck, Foster playing matadore to any speed rusher that lines up opposite him, and Plummer's struggles now getting to the point where Shanahan doesn't even let him pass on 3rd and long.

We don't need a week long circle jerk cellebrating our win of a crappy Raiders team. We can do that after we win a championship. Until then the team is focused on building and improving towards that goal, which is what we all (should) come here to discuss.

freak6
10-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Jay Cutler could probably step in and win a SB if this defense played like this all year. It's fantastic.

lmao. Jake Plummer lost to the Rams with defense like this. And the Rams suck, I don't care about thier record, they SHOULD be 2-4, not 4-2.

I mean, there's good reason to believe we will. <b>Offense hasn't been a real problem for us to this point.</b> I think it's just a matter of getting traction and momentum.

I'm telling you, this dude is really blind. I'm just trying to figure out how you can read other posters here. Do you have the wife read them to you, like when she tells you what happens during the game.


It might be a bit of a transition we're seeing, and no question... Plummer can play better.


More brilliant excuses. It's Plummer having to get used to the new moving parts, even though he has spent over 300 hours with them on the practice field. It doesn't take that much time for a 10 year vet to get used to new recievers. TO goes to the Eagles, explodes. Moss goes to the Raiders, fizzles.

What's the difference?

<b>The QB. </b>

Marinate.

freak6
10-16-2006, 12:43 PM
Great stat to be happy about compliments of Jim Armstrong.

Raiders have lost 17 of thier last 18 in the AFC West!!!

That is awesome!!!

FTR!!!!!

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 12:58 PM
and there was only 1 big play 54 yard pass to javon. take that away-- 50 yards passing-- and only 17 attempts. you do the math about the avg. pass per yard

"take that away"? Hey dumbass, that's like saying "take champ's interception away and the game would have been different." Well no ****ing ****, thanks Einstein. In other shocking news, the earth is round.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2006, 01:01 PM
"take that away"? Hey dumbass, that's like saying "take champ's interception away and the game would have been different." Well no ****ing ****, thanks Einstein. In other shocking news, the earth is round.

The earth is round?

Dedhed
10-16-2006, 01:02 PM
Ummm... we won, right? We've won 4 and only lost 1, right? Our offense scored all the points right? Our offense scored more than the other offense, right?

Who's throwing logic out the window, again?

That is the definition of specious reasoning; what Popps makes his living on.

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:03 PM
See Popps, you don't come here to talk football, you come here to defend Jake..

Wrong. I mean, not even close to correct. This thread has zero to do with Jake, outside of obsessed fans like yourself and Taco making it about Jake.

Here are the last 20 threads I created:




1. Thread for people who enjoy winning ( 1 2 3 4 5 6)
2. That's a playoff football win, folks. ( 1 2 3 4)
3. Champ Bailey, anyone? ( 1 2)
4. Javon Walker: Ballhawk, you want to pay now or later? ( 1 2)
5. Shaun Alexander out with broken foot? ( 1 2)
6. Al Wilson Update
7. Herm.... wow. ( 1 2)
8. You're the coach: What's the plan for Sunday? ( 1 2 3)
9. AFC West Pecking Order ( 1 2)
10. Jake Plummer sucks
11. Kick Returners ( 1 2)
12. Happy Fantasy Drafts, y'all!
13. CBS Fantasy League spots open
14. Damien Nash: Is this our starter? ( 1 2 3)
15. Darius Watts grade? ( 1 2 3 4)
16. NFL Pre-season TV Schedule?
17. First preseason game 1 month away! What else are we going to do? ( 1 2)
18. Dumervil moving to LB? ( 1 2 3 4)
19. Defense? ( 1 2 3)
20. A case for Javon Walker ( 1 2 3)

So, out of my last 20 attempts at football conversation here, exactly ONE was about our QB, and it was a tongue in cheek "starter" thread.

Anyway, but feel free to keep posting non-factual information. Maybe someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 01:05 PM
The earth is round?

hell I don't know, just going by what I heard. :spit: But I am guessing it's more of an egg shape

Popps
10-16-2006, 01:09 PM
"take that away"? Hey dumbass, that's like saying "take champ's interception away and the game would have been different." Well no ****ing ****, thanks Einstein. In other shocking news, the earth is round.

lol!

Yea, take away all of the good things we did, and we would have just done bad things. Wow!

You have to love that the Wheaties-pissers just can't stay off of this thread. It's a bizarre pysch experiment.... unintentional, but interesting, nonetheless.

Wes Mantooth
10-16-2006, 01:09 PM
Who cares? If the offense is so conservitave and we continue to win, WHO CARES? It really looks like we are playing not to turn the ball over. Gues what- IT WORKS. It ain't broke folks.

watermock
10-16-2006, 01:12 PM
The earth is round?

Actually the orientation of the known universe rotates around New Mile High

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 01:14 PM
lol!

Yea, take away all of the good things we did, and we would have just done bad things. Wow!

You have to love that the Wheaties-pissers just can't stay off of this thread. It's a bizarre pysch experiment.... unintentional, but interesting, nonetheless.

No joke man!

Northman
10-16-2006, 01:14 PM
Yep, winning apparently makes a lot of people very angry, to the extent that Iwonder... why bother? This thread is a perfect example. All people who disagree had to do was simply avoid it. Yet, so many found it necessary to force the gloom and doom on people... as if there weren't 200 threads already dedicated to that.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words... and here's hoping the Broncos keep pissing off the fans around here.
:~ohyah!:



I havent seen a Jake thread yet where you havent thrown your 2 cents in. Ha!

Meck77
10-16-2006, 01:17 PM
You can call Pat Bowlen if you want, but it won't do you any good whatsoever. Shanahan is Pat's guy, and no amount of phone calls is going to change that.



That part was a joke Taco. I was correcting you on the fact that you said the reason our offense is struggling is because of Shanny and Jake and that you think Cutler is the answer right now. My point was that Mr. Bowlen has the ultimate say on what goes on as he pays the bills and has the ability to hire and fire whoever he wants when he wants. He ultimately could tell shanny to start Jay if he wanted to so add Mr. Bowlen to your list of why the Broncos offense sucks as you say.

Anyhow...

watermock
10-16-2006, 01:19 PM
I'm not going to bother grazing thru 8 pages of excuses. OH, It's news to me that a W isn't a W.

That isn't the scrape at all. Noone here doesn't want a win, but I really did expect at LEAST twice what we put up last night. People are telling me that Oakland didn't lay down. Are you kidding me? When Moss caught that long pass, I said: "Well there's his catch for the night..." and I was completely correct. Take that pass away and Moss finishes with 35 yards on 4 catches, including a completely lazy acceptance regarding champs INT. Jesus...hit him in the back and take the ten yards you idiot.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 01:23 PM
lol!

Yea, take away all of the good things we did, and we would have just done bad things. Wow!

You have to love that the Wheaties-pissers just can't stay off of this thread. It's a bizarre pysch experiment.... unintentional, but interesting, nonetheless.
ROFL!

Uh, this is a public forum, public thread. Next time just state who can post on your threads and who can't or find a way to password protect them Hilarious!

freak6
10-16-2006, 01:23 PM
Who cares? If the offense is so conservitave and we continue to win, WHO CARES? It really looks like we are playing not to turn the ball over. Gues what- IT WORKS. It ain't broke folks.

yoakum3, lets think like grown-ups.

If you know you have to win the indy 500, and you are currently driving a Honda Element, and barely qualifying for the actual Indy 500 race, you got problems. Yeah, it ain't broke. All of us are happy to be winning now. But the Honda Element isn't going to win the Indy 500.

Hopefully our Honda Element transforms one of two ways into the Ferrari it used to be.

To your other point, which has been used so many times on this thread it is truly pathetic, and shows how deep you ostriches have your head in the sand

<b> WHO CARES??</b>

We do. The fans that see the danger in the near future. The fans with superior knowledge, vision, and rationality.

Why have a discussion board if we didn't care? If we didn't care, we would all just BAA BAA BAAAA like sheep? So if you don't care, and want to bask in the glow of that 13-3 W over the worst team in the NFL, who turned it over twice in the red zone, then bask all day.

<img src="http://bse.unl.edu/Undergrad/images_undergrad/sunburn.JPG">

You'll just end up looking dumb.

watermock
10-16-2006, 01:25 PM
That part was a joke Taco. I was correcting you on the fact that you said the reason our offense is struggling is because of Shanny and Jake and that you think Cutler is the answer right now. My point was that Mr. Bowlen has the ultimate say on what goes on as he pays the bills and has the ability to hire and fire whoever he wants when he wants. He ultimately could tell shanny to start Jay if he wanted to so add Mr. Bowlen to your list of why the Broncos offense sucks as you say.

Anyhow...

Bowlen has seen what meddling owners can do. It's generally BAD. All I know is that after seeing Cutler in training camp, Shanahan announced he planned on coaching here at least another decade. Bowlen can make a suggestion, but he's letting Shanahan pilot the ship. Bowlen enjoys just being a fan, which is cool with me, and handling the business end of the team and even the league. Trust me, if Bowlen rings the red phone (I doubt there is one, it's a metaphore or something) Mike will pick it up.

I never said Cutler was the answer, and said there was no QB controversy. I don't see how much longer we can expect our defense to give up single digits.

We haven't won a game where we gave up more than 7 points. The season "high" is 17 points.

That game, Javon had two catches that accounted for 115 yards.

Play2win
10-16-2006, 01:30 PM
New England had wins like this during their Superbowl runs. If wins like this will net us a Superbowl, I am all for it.

(But, I can't wait til Jay Cutler starts)

watermock
10-16-2006, 01:33 PM
They had games like this against legitimate teams. Next.

Taco John
10-16-2006, 01:35 PM
That part was a joke Taco. I was correcting you on the fact that you said the reason our offense is struggling is because of Shanny and Jake and that you think Cutler is the answer right now. My point was that Mr. Bowlen has the ultimate say on what goes on as he pays the bills and has the ability to hire and fire whoever he wants when he wants. He ultimately could tell shanny to start Jay if he wanted to so add Mr. Bowlen to your list of why the Broncos offense sucks as you say.

Anyhow...


Actually, I've never said "the Broncos offense sucks." That's not my style. I try to validate things so that they're not left to vagueries like the word "sucks." I've never participated in a "Jake Sucks" thread. I'll never say the Broncos offense sucks. Instead, I'll analyze and validate what I think is wrong with either/or, and ever the optimist, use that validation as a marker to guage improvement.


Also, Bowlen isn't going to interfere with Shanahan's operation. It's never been his style, and I doubt it ever will be.

freak6
10-16-2006, 01:36 PM
New England had wins like this during their Superbowl runs. If wins like this will net us a Superbowl, I am all for it.

(But, I can't wait til Jay Cutler starts)

All of us would too DS49. But let's be realistic.

In fact, since you know about DS49, tell everyone what happened to the Broncos the last time they went to the Super Bowl with the leagues leading Scoring Defense?

I don't know why I waste my time on foolish threads like this. There is a real difference between "Bronco fan", and "Football Expert/Bronco Fan".

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Actually, I've never said "the Broncos offense sucks." That's not my style. I try to validate things so that they're not left to vagueries like the word "sucks." I've never participated in a "Jake Sucks" thread. I'll never say the Broncos offense sucks. Instead, I'll analyze and validate what I think is wrong with either/or, and ever the optimist, use that validation as a marker to guage improvement.


Hilarious!

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 01:43 PM
They had games like this against legitimate teams. Next.

Mock, you saying the Ravens and Patriots (both leading their divisions) are not legitimate? Have another pull off your whiskey and post something you actually made some effort into thinking of you Jim Rome, kcbh wanna be!

Play2win
10-16-2006, 01:44 PM
They had games like this against legitimate teams. Next.

Like Buffalo, the Jets and Miami...

BroncoInSkinland
10-16-2006, 01:44 PM
I love a win no matter how it comes. Guess that is from all the seasons I was cheering even when L's were getting marked down. To all the others who are celebrating, cheers. Sorry about the comments re. your daughter Popps, that is F'ed up. As for the rest of it, just another Jacked (jaked?) thread. :deadhorse

Drek
10-16-2006, 01:48 PM
New England had wins like this during their Superbowl runs. If wins like this will net us a Superbowl, I am all for it.

(But, I can't wait til Jay Cutler starts)

I watched nearly every NE game in the last half decade or so (lived in New England). Never during their Super Bowl runs was Weiss and Bellichick afraid to have Brady throw on third and long.

They struggled in various facets along the way, but it wasn't a week in and week out "offense needs to be gimped to prevent any mistakes" mindset we're currently running with.

Play2win
10-16-2006, 01:49 PM
All of us would too DS49. But let's be realistic.

In fact, since you know about DS49, tell everyone what happened to the Broncos the last time they went to the Super Bowl with the leagues leading Scoring Defense?

I don't know why I waste my time on foolish threads like this. There is a real difference between "Bronco fan", and "Football Expert/Bronco Fan".

Well thats why we watch the games. A lot has changed to the game since those days. For one the AFC is the dominant conference, not the NFC. I, for one, would enjoy watching a championship defense on its run to a superbowl, I just would enjoy it a lot more with Jay Cutler at the helm, But I guess I have to wait until next year for that.

freak6
10-16-2006, 02:16 PM
Well thats why we watch the games. A lot has changed to the game since those days. For one the AFC is the dominant conference, not the NFC. I, for one, would enjoy watching a championship defense on its run to a superbowl, I just would enjoy it a lot more with Jay Cutler at the helm, But I guess I have to wait until next year for that.

For those who don't remember, the last time the Broncos went to the Super Bowl with the leagues leading scoring defense, the final score was 55-10.

TDmvp
10-16-2006, 02:45 PM
this place has become full of some of the dumbest people i have ever seen.
Bitch and moan like little girls over stuff they know little or nothing about. From politices to football its a moron festival.

I really like 10 or so posters from this place but 90% seems to be lifeless morons with 50K post , who are just thoughtless trash who just want to draw attention to themselfs . Have fun with that ...

Popps
10-16-2006, 03:24 PM
ROFL!

Uh, this is a public forum, public thread. Next time just state who can post on your threads and who can't or find a way to password protect them Hilarious!

Gosh, how enlightening.

Point proven, again. Just can't help yourself, can you.

:wave:

Here comes another piss 'n moan post... because there's not enough threads dedicated to that already.

Go ahead... get it all out.....

azbroncfan
10-16-2006, 03:24 PM
New England had wins like this during their Superbowl runs. If wins like this will net us a Superbowl, I am all for it.

(But, I can't wait til Jay Cutler starts)

Then a Plummeresch QB Bledsoe(comparable) got knocked out and Brady stepped in and Bellichek made the proper decision on who to play. That situation is very much like the one in Denver now. Now I am not saying Cutler will be Brady but I know that Plummer won't be, and what he has been bringing to the table so far Cutler could easily.

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 03:29 PM
Then a Plummeresch QB Bledsoe(comparable) got knocked out and Brady stepped in and Bellichek made the proper decision on who to play. That situation is very much like the one in Denver now. Now I am not saying Cutler will be Brady but I know that Plummer won't be, and what he has been bringing to the table so far Cutler could easily.

Stop before you hurt yourself. Who the hell else was he going to play, Vinateri?! The reason he kept Bledsoe out was because its football and you dont **** with winning streaks (sounds familiar right?!). And no, Plummer is never going to be Brady, he ***king owns Brady!

Northman
10-16-2006, 03:30 PM
Stop before you hurt yourself. Who the hell else was he going to play, Vinateri?! The reason he kept Bledsoe out was because its football and you dont **** with winning streaks (sounds familiar right?!). And no, Plummer is never going to be Brady, he ****ing owns Brady!


Actually, Shanny owns Brady along with the defense.

Popps
10-16-2006, 03:42 PM
Then a Plummeresch QB Bledsoe(comparable) got knocked out and Brady stepped in and Bellichek made the proper decision on who to play. That situation is very much like the one in Denver now. Now I am not saying Cutler will be Brady but I know that Plummer won't be, and what he has been bringing to the table so far Cutler could easily.

Wow, hope you're right. If Cutler=Brady, we'd be dominant for years.

BMF Bronco
10-16-2006, 03:50 PM
Actually, Shanny owns Brady along with the defense.

no Plummer does, last time we lost to Brady, Plummer was not playing.

Popps
10-16-2006, 04:05 PM
no Plummer does, last time we lost to Brady, Plummer was not playing.

Ugh. That game was brutal. Don't remind me.

All we heard about was what a Genius Belichick was. Haven't heard much about that the last few times we've played them, huh?

ClevelandBronco
10-16-2006, 04:19 PM
I don't know why I waste my time on foolish threads like this.

Hey, it's not just your time that you're wasting here.

Spider
10-16-2006, 04:25 PM
this place has become full of some of the dumbest people i have ever seen.
b**** and moan like little girls over stuff they know little or nothing about. From politices to football its a moron festival.

I really like 10 or so posters from this place but 90% seems to be lifeless morons with 50K post , who are just thoughtless trash who just want to draw attention to themselfs . Have fun with that ...
so long then .........Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out ............

Northman
10-16-2006, 04:32 PM
no Plummer does, last time we lost to Brady, Plummer was not playing.



I didnt realize Plummer played defense. :D

watermock
10-16-2006, 04:34 PM
Our defense held NE to 7 points they are missing pieces. It wasn't Plummer or the offense that won the game.

ClevelandBronco
10-16-2006, 04:35 PM
I didnt realize Plummer played defense. :D

I thought you were one of the guys who didn't think Plummer played offense.

I've lost track of who's who.

Spider
10-16-2006, 04:44 PM
I thought you were one of the guys who didn't think Plummer played offense.

I've lost track of who's who.
;D

Cito Pelon
10-16-2006, 04:44 PM
. . . . . . Enjoy your obtuse mindset, most of us can't though as we know sooner or later teams will actually score double digits on us, at which point we might very well be screwed.

I'll get back to you when it happens, eh? No doubt it could very well happen. I'll address it then.

Popps
10-16-2006, 04:47 PM
I'll get back to you when it happens, eh? No doubt it could very well happen. I'll address it then.

No, see... you're supposed to ASSUME it's GOING to happen, and get upset about it now.

See, 4-1 is only good if you win with a score in teh 20s.

In other words, winning by 10 or so isn't good enough. 13-3 is bad.
But, had we won 20-10, that apparently would have been good.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 04:49 PM
Gosh, how enlightening.

Well good, now you know, your little Plummer nobber threads will be responded to by people other than Plummer nobbers. http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/11.gif

Northman
10-16-2006, 04:55 PM
I thought you were one of the guys who didn't think Plummer played offense.

I've lost track of who's who.



He doesnt, he is the waterboy.

Arkie
10-16-2006, 04:56 PM
I don't know why I waste my time on foolish threads like this. There is a real difference between "Bronco fan", and "Football Expert/Bronco Fan".

If only we could get Shanahan to listen to the Football Expert/Bronco Fans on this board, just imagine the possibilities....

TDmvp
10-16-2006, 05:08 PM
lol your one the people who i actually thought was a respectful class act hard working guy spider ... my father owns a trucking comp and i allways thought you was a good guy ... guess i was wrong and your just a nother moron with almost 50k in post just like i said... i think we all know the 90% who just post to stir the pot ... and the 10% who are kind people who happen to like the broncos .... have fun in the 90% moron crowd spider ...

Northman
10-16-2006, 05:11 PM
lol your one the people who i actually thought was a respectful class act hard working guy spider ... my father owns a trucking comp and i allways thought you was a good guy ... guess i was wrong and your just a nother moron with almost 50k in post just like i said... i think we all know the 90% who just post to stir the pot ... and the 10% who are kind people who happen to like the broncos .... have fun in the 90% moron crowd spider ...



And calling 90% of posters on this message board morons is Respectful and Classy? Guess you missed the short bus my friend.

TDmvp
10-16-2006, 05:17 PM
90% do nothing but insult anything anyone has to say normally just to be diks even if they are wrong , they are rude to anyone who has something to say that they dont agree with , always maken a point to POINT out who they are SMARTER then , from politices to yelling about grammer or even ****ting on someones religion so yea 90% seems about right .... most of the females here are real respectful and the mods seem to be the right picks to cut off alot of the lameness but id still say about 90% of you are people that the 10% wouldn't let in their front door ... there ... i said it .... flame me ...

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 05:19 PM
lol your one the people who i actually thought was a respectful class act hard working guy spider ... my father owns a trucking comp and i allways thought you was a good guy ... guess i was wrong and your just a nother moron with almost 50k in post just like i said... i think we all know the 90% who just post to stir the pot ... and the 10% who are kind people who happen to like the broncos .... have fun in the 90% moron crowd spider ...
LOL
Damn, talk about a bunch of little Debbies around here :rofl:

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:19 PM
lol your one the people who i actually thought was a respectful class act hard working guy spider ... my father owns a trucking comp and i allways thought you was a good guy ... guess i was wrong and your just a nother moron with almost 50k in post just like i said... i think we all know the 90% who just post to stir the pot ... and the 10% who are kind people who happen to like the broncos .... have fun in the 90% moron crowd spider ...
well at least that is somthing ...... see if there were only 10 people I liked here , I would be gone , the door wouldnt hit me in the ass ........... but over the years I have gained some great friends here , some came over from Broncos chat with me , but I been here since the begining , Alec me and him dont see eye to on anything but hte Broncos ;D but he is a friend .meck 77 ,Montana mt very special to me ........ I like Slap , Watermock , Kaylore , Baja , Bendog, LABF , Angry LLama ,but dont let him know , I like BDruleU and spdirty ,Blue flame is awesome , Pez , El Sid , I realy like Big guy , Pendajo , Beerslug , I like Taco , Popps ........... and I like you ,and I could go on with a list ........... everyone adds to this forum , I may not agree with them , but they and you have somthing to offer but you know I dont pull punches and I am blunt ... I expect the same from you and these other people ......

Northman
10-16-2006, 05:22 PM
90% do nothing but insult anything anyone has to say normally just to be diks even if they are wrong , they are rude to anyone who has something to say that they dont agree with , always maken a point to POINT out who they are SMARTER then , from politices to yelling about grammer or even ****ting on someones religion so yea 90% seems about right .... most of the females here are real respectful and the mods seem to be the right picks to cut off alot of the lameness but id still say about 90% of you are people that the 10% wouldn't let in their front door ... there ... i said it .... flame me ...



Im not going to flame you but you do realize this is a discussion board. And tempers do flare when discussing certain aspecs of this team or any other discussion. Hell, ive been going at it with Popps for 3 weeks straight but i love the guy and i dont really even know him. Hell, Popps and TJ have been going at it forever but i doubt they really hate each other. Sometimes there are things i post that i wish i could take back cause i do let my mouth get the best of me but in the end i know most of these guys and gals know its tongue in cheek anyway. You just have to learn to sift through the bull**** with all of us cause in the end we would all be happy clams cheering our Broncos on. We just like to pretend we know what we are talking about on here thats all.

DBroncos4life
10-16-2006, 05:25 PM
well at least that is somthing ...... see if there were only 10 people I liked here , I would be gone , the door wouldnt hit me in the ass ........... but over the years I have gained some great friends here , some came over from Broncos chat with me , but I been here since the begining , Alec me and him dont see eye to on anything but hte Broncos ;D but he is a friend .meck 77 ,Montana mt very special to me ........ I like Slap , Watermock , Kaylore , Baja , Bendog, LABF , Angry LLama ,but dont let him know , I like BDruleU and spdirty ,Blue flame is awesome , Pez , El Sid , I realy like Big guy , Pendajo , Beerslug , I like Taco , Popps ........... and I like you ,and I could go on with a list ........... everyone adds to this forum , I may not agree with them , but they and you have somthing to offer but you know I dont pull punches and I am blunt ... I expect the same from you and these other people ......

FU you then. ;)

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:25 PM
actually there is 1 person that posts here that I cant stand ........ everyone knows who he is so I dont need to mention his name ..........

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:25 PM
FU you then. ;)

put on somthing sexy , 50 $ we will talk

Northman
10-16-2006, 05:27 PM
actually there is 1 person that posts here that I cant stand ........ everyone knows who he is so I dont need to mention his name ..........



Show some Brass ones! You know its me! :rofl:

TDmvp
10-16-2006, 05:27 PM
10 % of the people i see posting are not morons which is far more then 10 people btw spider ..... the number of poster here would make 10% far greater than the actual number 10 .........

that was a test .... see that is the kinda crap most people would say about something someone else said that was wrong just to prove they are so much better then above person .... and spider i still think your a hard working smart familiy guy and your by far not one of the ones i see being a$$holes all the time it just shocked me you was one who jumped me for pointing out what goes on here but im sorry for the lumping you into the 90 % comment i know your good people...... i just get sick i people being reck necks just cuz its a forum ...

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:29 PM
Show some Brass ones! You know its me! :rofl:

LOL Bro ...... the person I speak of we cant even post in the same thread without hate

Taco John
10-16-2006, 05:32 PM
actually there is 1 person that posts here that I cant stand ........ everyone knows who he is so I dont need to mention his name ..........




Quit airing our dirty laundry Spider, or I'm going to sneak in your place and poke holes in your condoms!

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:32 PM
10 % of the people i see posting are not morons which is far more then 10 people btw spider ..... the number of poster here would make 10% far greater than the actual number 10 .........

that was a test .... see that is the kinda crap most people would say about something someone else said that was wrong just to prove they are so much better then above person .... and spider i still think your a hard working smart familiy guy and your by far not one of the ones i see being a$$holes all the time it just shocked me you was one who jumped me for pointing out what goes on here but im sorry for the lumping you into the 90 % comment i know your good people...... i just get sick i people being reck necks just cuz its a forum ...

it is all good bro ...sometimes people have a bad day ......... but there are some great bronco fans here , I have seen some great posting over the years here ......

Northman
10-16-2006, 05:32 PM
LOL Bro ...... the person I speak of we cant even post in the same thread without hate



Kind of reminds me of the 13th Warrior. " You should never speak their name! ". :rofl:

Spider
10-16-2006, 05:33 PM
Quit airing our dirty laundry Spider, or I'm going to sneak in your place and poke holes in your condoms!

oh thats low ....;D Besides I think my wife already did that

Bronco_Beerslug
10-16-2006, 06:04 PM
Nah. Alec's hate is a personal issue that consumes him, and I'm not going to give him what he wants unless he forces the issue. He's a smart guy when he's not letting his demons speak through him. His hatefullness will manifest wherever he goes and he knows it. He just has picked me as his current target of hate. He says he's leaving the board... maybe the third time is the charm, eh? I doubt it though. He's a creature of habit with (obviously) little self control.

Yeah, I doubt it, who would he unleash his profanity laced little fits on if he didn't come here? :wiggle:

Flyboy063
10-16-2006, 06:24 PM
I'll take a 13-3 win over the 8th Ranked defense (1st ranked passing defense) in the NFL.

Not only that but is what I great day. I made it to my first game and they won. I met Meck77, Scottish_Bronco, NO1BroncoFan, R8derH8ter, Raidersuck, Rascal, MileHigh Shack, Dog and Mrs. Dog, Bronco Billy, Archie, TailGateNut, Disco, etc... Thanks to all you folks for being great hosts. Bronco football @ Invesco Field is definitely an awesome experience.

I almost forgot to mention, but I met Randy Gradishar at the bus as well. Absolutely awesome. Unfortunately the sharpie came up messing during a critical time (right Ben?)

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!

Kip

mosca
10-17-2006, 02:11 AM
I don't know why I waste my time on foolish threads like this. There is a real difference between "Bronco fan", and "Football Expert/Bronco Fan".
Hey, at least this guy actually is literally a self-proclaimed "expert"! Better listen to what he says, guys! :D

Popps
10-17-2006, 02:33 AM
Well good, now you know, your little Plummer nobber threads will be responded to by people other than Plummer nobbers. http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/11.gif



As for my "Plummer threads"... I've started exactly one in the last 20-something threads I've created... and it was a tongue in cheek thread.
Plummer hasn't been my main focus. The defense has, LONG before Jake was even in town. Even Taco will tell you that.

So, again... you can just repeat non-factual information as much as you want, and hope it becomes truth... but it won't.

Feel free to keep following me around posting about me, though. It's somewhere between funny and sad. Why you care so much about me is a little hard to figure. Borderline disturbing.

Taco and I at least have a rapport. You're just a hateful, obsessed guy.

Takes all kinds, I guess.

Popps
10-17-2006, 02:39 AM
I'll take a 13-3 win over the 8th Ranked defense (1st ranked passing defense) in the NFL.

Not only that but is what I great day. I made it to my first game and they won. I met Meck77, Scottish_Bronco, NO1BroncoFan, R8derH8ter, Raidersuck, Rascal, MileHigh Shack, Dog and Mrs. Dog, Bronco Billy, Archie, TailGateNut, Disco, etc... Thanks to all you folks for being great hosts. Bronco football @ Invesco Field is definitely an awesome experience.

I almost forgot to mention, but I met Randy Gradishar at the bus as well. Absolutely awesome. Unfortunately the sharpie came up messing during a critical time (right Ben?)

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!

Kip

Damn, good times.

I was knocked out by my trip to Invesco last year. It was just perfect in almost every way. Can't wait to get back there for a game.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-17-2006, 04:53 AM
Feel free to keep following me around posting about me, though. It's somewhere between funny and sad. Why you care so much about me is a little hard to figure. Borderline disturbing.
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You take yourself way too seriously. It is amusing reading your attempts to cut down the defense and prop up Plummer though.

orange 4 life
10-17-2006, 08:55 AM
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You take yourself way too seriously. It is amusing reading your attempts to cut down the defense and prop up Plummer though.

if thats what you take out of reading his posts then you have SERIOUS comprehension issues.
that explains alot.

Bronco_Beerslug
10-17-2006, 08:59 AM
if thats what you take out of reading his posts then you have SERIOUS comprehension issues.
that explains alot.
This coming from the biggest Plummer homer on the board,, gotcha http://www.digital-inn.de/images/smilies/anims/20.gif

orange 4 life
10-17-2006, 09:09 AM
:strong: :yayaya: :wave: :~ohyah!: :sunshine:

Figured I'd try to balance out the gloom and doom around here. You'd think we were in last place, and just got whacked... reading the other threads around here.

We WON.

We're 4-1, we're clearly in a battle with only one team for this division, and there doesn't appear to be any dominant team in the AFC.

Our defense has shown it can win close, low-scoring games... and while our offense has struggled, they've ABSOLUTELY made plays when they had to, and that's all that matters.

We've got another game we should win next week, and then some real tests.

What's all the crying about? Good lord. We just beat the rai_ers, for flip's sake. Anyone else enjoy winning anymore? I'd love to hear from you.

nice job as always popps.

the offense has definately struggled, and there are plenty of reasons why.
plummer started slow, lack of separation, no production from the te's, conservative playcalling, alot of new faces at skill positions, etc.

that said, the defense has been amazing, and because of that the conservative playcalling has still been enough to produce wins.
shanahan and plummer both have a history of big production on the offensive side of the ball (and in shanahans case its over a DECADE of great offensive production), and thats reason to think things will get better.

also, you mentioned something that nobody seems to talk about at all.

while the offense has struggled, they HAVE made plays when they needed to.
against the chiefs there was a game tying and game winning drive in the 4th and OT.
against the pats we got a plummer to walker td in the 4th to ice the game.
against the ravens we made the plays and scored 10 4th quarter points to break a 3-3 tie.

yes, the offense has struggled, but the notion that plummer and co. cant play in the 4th quarter and/or under pressure is also being dispelled.
as horrific as the offense has been, they have made the plays in the 4th quarter to help get the wins.

the talent is there, and i think the coaches will open things up and let it show.

jake

Dedhed
10-17-2006, 09:17 AM
Who cares? If the offense is so conservitave and we continue to win, WHO CARES? It really looks like we are playing not to turn the ball over. Gues what- IT WORKS. It ain't broke folks.

That's great until the time comes where we can't be conservative. And that time will come.

Dedhed
10-17-2006, 09:18 AM
nice job as always popps.

the offense has definately struggled, and there are plenty of reasons why.
plummer started slow, lack of separation, no production from the te's, conservative playcalling, alot of new faces at skill positions, etc.

that said, the defense has been amazing, and because of that the conservative playcalling has still been enough to produce wins.
shanahan and plummer both have a history of big production on the offensive side of the ball (and in shanahans case its over a DECADE of great offensive production), and thats reason to think things will get better.

also, you mentioned something that nobody seems to talk about at all.

while the offense has struggled, they HAVE made plays when they needed to.
against the chiefs there was a game tying and game winning drive in the 4th and OT.
against the pats we got a plummer to walker td in the 4th to ice the game.
against the ravens we made the plays and scored 10 4th quarter points to break a 3-3 tie.

yes, the offense has struggled, but the notion that plummer and co. cant play in the 4th quarter and/or under pressure is also being dispelled.
as horrific as the offense has been, they have made the plays in the 4th quarter to help get the wins.

the talent is there, and i think the coaches will open things up and let it show.

jake

You two need to get a room.

Taco John
10-17-2006, 09:41 AM
It's just too bad that Javon Walker doesn't enjoy winning as much as the great fans we have in this thread do. Ingrate.

BMF Bronco
10-17-2006, 09:43 AM
It's just too bad that Javon Walker doesn't enjoy winning as much as the great fans we have in this thread do. Ingrate.

"...I don't worry about me. I worry about the wins."

Seems Rod Smith does.

DBroncos4life
10-17-2006, 09:50 AM
"...I don't worry about me. I worry about the wins."

Seems Rod Smith does.

Yeah but Javon has done so much more for this team then Smith ever could do. Uhh

BMF Bronco
10-17-2006, 09:51 AM
Yeah but Javon has done so much more for this team then Smith ever could do. Uhh

My bad, forgot about that! :spit:

Circle Orange
10-17-2006, 10:12 AM
well at least that is somthing ...... see if there were only 10 people I liked here , I would be gone , the door wouldnt hit me in the ass ........... but over the years I have gained some great friends here , some came over from Broncos chat with me , but I been here since the begining , Alec me and him dont see eye to on anything but hte Broncos ;D but he is a friend .meck 77 ,Montana mt very special to me ........ I like Slap , Watermock , Kaylore , Baja , Bendog, LABF , Angry LLama ,but dont let him know , I like BDruleU and spdirty ,Blue flame is awesome , Pez , El Sid , I realy like Big guy , Pendajo , Beerslug , I like Taco , Popps ........... and I like you ,and I could go on with a list ........... everyone adds to this forum , I may not agree with them , but they and you have somthing to offer but you know I dont pull punches and I am blunt ... I expect the same from you and these other people ......

Besides, you don't mess with giant spiders...they might run amuck and terrorize entire cities! :~ohyah!:

Bronco_Beerslug
10-17-2006, 10:16 AM
My bad, forgot about that! :spit:
Good to see you are starting to understand what is actually going on admitting Javon is the man!

Popps
10-17-2006, 10:52 AM
It's just too bad that Javon Walker doesn't enjoy winning as much as the great fans we have in this thread do. Ingrate.

Can't help yourself, can you. 400 threads here for you to whine and argue, and you just can't help yourself.

Popps
10-17-2006, 10:58 AM
if thats what you take out of reading his posts then you have SERIOUS comprehension issues.
that explains alot.

It's not comprehension, O4L. It's done on purpose.

Anyone who's read my posts knows I've been a broken record about improving this defense LONG before Plummer was here. I've also been up front about the fact that I think Plummer is a little above average QB and that's about it. I DO think he does well in this system (save a slow start this year) and his winning % is proof.

Here's where the slower posters around here get confused... I don't think Jake should be blamed when our defense falls apart to the tune of an NFL record in a playoff game. I think he's been a scapegoat for a lot of other probs.
THAT is where I stand. I think we can win with him, and eventually... we'll win with Cutler, IF we field a proper defense.

So, it's not a comprehension problem. You've just got a certain amount of internet types who got dealt a band hand in life, so all they have is to rip other people on message boards, even if for no reason. That guy follows me around like a puppy. Hell, I had one other guy attack my 4 month old girl. Why? Because I'm happy that we're winning games.

Doesn't matter. Taco gave us a great little thing called an ignore list, and I make good us of it for trolls like that.

Arkie
10-17-2006, 10:59 AM
It's just too bad that Javon Walker doesn't enjoy winning as much as the great fans we have in this thread do. Ingrate.

Just call him what he is--a disgruntled wide receiver. That's what he was in Green Bay. That's what he'll always be. Most WRs are. We're just lucky to have a guy like Rod Smith all these years. I can see us running WRs out of town that don't live up to Rod's standards. That's what happens to fans that get spoiled by a player. (see Elway) Here's a brain teaser: Who gets the credit for Lelie's league leading YPC. Was it Plummer's excellent passing, or was it Lelie's excellent receiving? I'm guessing that most of the pessimists here will now give the credit to Lelie since he is out of the picture and can't bring us down anymore.

orange 4 life
10-17-2006, 11:03 AM
You two need to get a room.

and you need to get a clue.

orange 4 life
10-17-2006, 11:11 AM
It's just too bad that Javon Walker doesn't enjoy winning as much as the great fans we have in this thread do. Ingrate.

i know youre a true fan taco, but i just cant see how watching games is any fun for you anymore.
youre such a "cutler homer" that you must have a tough time balancing the desire for the broncos to win with your equal desire to see plummer fail.

ps- i think the "homer" tag is ludicrous, so ill just use it back to show how ridiculous it really is. am i a "plummer homer" or are you and others just "cutler homers"?
im just cheering for the guys that are actually ON the field.
when cutler plays, ill cheer for him with every bit as much enthusiasm and support as i have given plummer.

Taco John
10-17-2006, 11:14 AM
Just call him what he is--a disgruntled wide receiver. That's what he was in Green Bay. That's what he'll always be. Most WRs are. We're just lucky to have a guy like Rod Smith all these years. I can see us running WRs out of town that don't live up to Rod's standards. That's what happens to fans that get spoiled by a player. (see Elway) Here's a brain teaser: Who gets the credit for Lelie's league leading YPC. Was it Plummer's excellent passing, or was it Lelie's excellent receiving? I'm guessing that most of the pessimists here will now give the credit to Lelie since he is out of the picture and can't bring us down anymore.



A disgruntled coach?

Shanahan on players’ frustration with the offense’s production
“I think that any time that you are not productive offensively and you come away with thirteen points there is always frustration. There are always disappointments, and if they didn’t feel that way then you have the wrong guys.”

On if he is frustrated with the offense as well
“Definitely. You are always trying to get better. It doesn’t matter if it is offense, defense or special teams. I feel good that our defense is starting to get some of the recognition that it deserves over years. Offensively, we have had a lot of recognition and obviously we are disappointed that we didn’t put more points on the scoreboard and that is something that we have to work at and hopefully get better.”



There is plenty of frustration in the locker room over the poor offensive showing this year. Javon isn't unique in this regard. He's just the first person to vocalize it.

I think a distinction should be drawn between "disgruntled WR" and "frustrated WR."

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2006, 11:21 AM
i know youre a true fan taco, but i just cant see how watching games is any fun for you anymore.
youre such a "cutler homer" that you must have a tough time balancing the desire for the broncos to win with your equal desire to see plummer fail.

ps- i think the "homer" tag is ludicrous, so ill just use it back to show how ridiculous it really is. am i a "plummer homer" or are you and others just "cutler homers"?
im just cheering for the guys that are actually ON the field.
when cutler plays, ill cheer for him with every bit as much enthusiasm and support as i have given plummer.


That's a good post, Jake.

When you think about it, it's trivial to press the issue any further than in congenial discussion. The fanbase has very little effect on Broncos management. Especially with Shanahan locked in as someone who can keep the throne until he chooses otherwise. So why on earth has the orangemane turned into a shouting war over something that individuals have no control over? The discussion over Plummer is not congenial, and there is literally very little conversation on this board that doesnt have to do with Jake Plummer. The defense is playing outstanding right now and you have to wade through 50 some odd threads about how Plummer sucks to find a little snippett of anything having to do with the defense.

There is something wrong here.

Taco John
10-17-2006, 11:31 AM
i know youre a true fan taco, but i just cant see how watching games is any fun for you anymore.

I'll be honest with you... Watching Jake Plummer stopped being fun for me period. Perhaps if he started to show signs of actual improvement, that would change. But this is some of the most boring football we've ever seen from our offense. Even Griese in his rookie season played better than this.


youre such a "cutler homer" that you must have a tough time balancing the desire for the broncos to win with your equal desire to see plummer fail.


Your low ball tactic is amusing to me, but it reflects more about your frustration than it does anything about me. I won't fault you for your frustration. We all feel it. You take it out on me. I take it out on Jake. Either way, it comes around and goes around. You're wrong though. I don't want to see Plummer fail. I do expect to see him struggle. I practically count on it anymore. It's cause and effect: because Plummer plays poorly, I want to see Cutler put in. It's not the other way around, despite how badly you want to paint me a villain for jumping off the Plummer bandwagon.



ps- i think the "homer" tag is ludicrous, so ill just use it back to show how ridiculous it really is. am i a "plummer homer" or are you and others just "cutler homers"?

However you want to say it, I'll leave that to you. I consider myself a Broncos fan who just wants to see the team win a championship. Unfortunately for me, I've lost faith in Plummer's ability to do that. I still enjoy watching Broncos games, especially with this defense. But I will fully admit that I have very little fun watching our 10-year veteran play like Kyle Boller (without the arm strength).


im just cheering for the guys that are actually ON the field.
when cutler plays, ill cheer for him with every bit as much enthusiasm and support as i have given plummer.

I cheer for everyone. When Plummer scores I cheer for him too. It's not like I want to see him fail. I want to see him go out and have a 4 TD game and show us just how much he's grown in the last season. I want to see people talking about how all the work he put in studying film has paid off, and how much better he looks compared to how he started the season. I want to see us boasting about how great our offense is, and how foolish it was to even consider putting Cutler in there because of what a world-beater Plummer is looking like.

Unfortunately, that's not what we're getting. Instead, Plummer has struggled and opened the door for a lot of negative talk about him. Read my signature. He knows the score.

I'll root for him... But I've given up any ideas that he's going to take us to the Championship. I'd love to see him stuffing crow down my gullet by the fistfull. But to be honest with you, if we were in a Championship game with Plummer, I'd be scared to watch the game. Terrified. I know what would happen. Plummer would freeze up like he does in every playoff game, and the chills would send a shock through the whole team. Our defense would then snap, and it would be over before it even got started. Plummer would snap out of it at halftime, too little too late... He'd go out, show a lot of heart, and throw at least one more pick. And then you'd blame the defense.

That's just how I see it man. Not because I hate him, but because I'm not stupid. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, uh, er, uh, a fooled man can't get fooled again!

Popps
10-17-2006, 11:33 AM
There is something wrong here.

Look at how bright the future for this team is. You'd never know it around here, and I put up one tiny thread for a little hi-fiving, among the gloom... and the usual suspects couldn't help but come in to piss on it.

The funniest thing is, these malcontents will use the "you're just sticking your head in the sand" argument when people want to enjoy a win a little. Never mind that everyone on this threads has recognized the teams shortcomings on 200 other threads. That's not enough. We have to be miserable people all the time, like them. Well, apparently until the QB they want to start is in... then we're allowed to enjoy wins, I'd bet.

Taco John
10-17-2006, 11:44 AM
Look at how bright the future for this team is. You'd never know it around here, and I put up one tiny thread for a little hi-fiving, among the gloom... and the usual suspects couldn't help but come in to piss on it.

The funniest thing is, these malcontents will use the "you're just sticking your head in the sand" argument when people want to enjoy a win a little. Never mind that everyone on this threads has recognized the teams shortcomings on 200 other threads. That's not enough. We have to be miserable people all the time, like them. Well, apparently until the QB they want to start is in... then we're allowed to enjoy wins, I'd bet.


It's no different than when we would win a game with Griese, despite how you want to paint it. It's just part of the package.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2006, 11:50 AM
It's no different than when we would win a game with Griese, despite how you want to paint it. It's just part of the package.

I hope that you guys didnt weigh the bandwidth down with it as much as you have with Plummer. Maybe this is all a grand sociological experiment attempting to quantify the value that individuals put on blaming an individual when 1) the individual is not directly responsible, 2) the individual is part of a group that is succeeding, and 3) the individual has helped the group succeed. Its' the Frankenstein theory. Blame the supposed monster without thinking things through. Then kill the monster.

Taco John
10-17-2006, 11:53 AM
I hope that you guys didnt weigh the bandwidth down with it as much as you have with Plummer. Maybe this is all a grand sociological experiment attempting to quantify the value that individuals put on blaming an individual when 1) the individual is not directly responsible, 2) the individual is part of a group that is succeeding, and 3) the individual has helped the group succeed. Its' the Frankenstein theory. Blame the supposed monster without thinking things through. Then kill the monster.


It consumed the board similarly to what you're seeing now. Only it was for two seasons. 2001-2002... It continued on into June of 2003, when Brian was cut. It then pretty well died completely, as the board started looking forward to what Jake could do for this team.

And it was all the same stuff... "you must hate the Broncos..." "so and so sucks" etc.

There's nothing new under the sun.

Cito Pelon
10-17-2006, 12:44 PM
No, see... you're supposed to ASSUME it's GOING to happen, and get upset about it now.

See, 4-1 is only good if you win with a score in teh 20s.

In other words, winning by 10 or so isn't good enough. 13-3 is bad.
But, had we won 20-10, that apparently would have been good.

Ahhhh, ok. I'm not in the rhythm of the game. Now I'm seeing it. Man, I could have grabbed that ball and took it all the way to Panickville, instead I dropped it. Dang. :wiggle:

Northman
10-17-2006, 01:29 PM
Just call him what he is--a disgruntled wide receiver. That's what he was in Green Bay. That's what he'll always be. Most WRs are. We're just lucky to have a guy like Rod Smith all these years. I can see us running WRs out of town that don't live up to Rod's standards. That's what happens to fans that get spoiled by a player. (see Elway) Here's a brain teaser: Who gets the credit for Lelie's league leading YPC. Was it Plummer's excellent passing, or was it Lelie's excellent receiving? I'm guessing that most of the pessimists here will now give the credit to Lelie since he is out of the picture and can't bring us down anymore.



Actually, initially i would have given the credit to Jake. But after some posted a video highlight on here ( forgot who ) it showed Lelie making some very tough catches that were not on target whatsovever. Lelie may not have been a great WR but here in Denver he made some catches that i thought were almost impossible.

Northman
10-17-2006, 01:34 PM
Look at how bright the future for this team is. You'd never know it around here, and I put up one tiny thread for a little hi-fiving, among the gloom... and the usual suspects couldn't help but come in to piss on it.

The funniest thing is, these malcontents will use the "you're just sticking your head in the sand" argument when people want to enjoy a win a little. Never mind that everyone on this threads has recognized the teams shortcomings on 200 other threads. That's not enough. We have to be miserable people all the time, like them. Well, apparently until the QB they want to start is in... then we're allowed to enjoy wins, I'd bet.



Actually, after listening to sports talk in D.C this morning we dont have anything on the Skins fans. They are in total meltdown right now.

Northman
10-17-2006, 01:37 PM
It consumed the board similarly to what you're seeing now. Only it was for two seasons. 2001-2002... It continued on into June of 2003, when Brian was cut. It then pretty well died completely, as the board started looking forward to what Jake could do for this team.

And it was all the same stuff... "you must hate the Broncos..." "so and so sucks" etc.

There's nothing new under the sun.



Exactly. Funny how some of the guys who go to bat for Plummer were only to eager to burn Brian to the cross. I mean, aside from mobility there isnt much that seperates Brian from Jake honestly. One guy trips over his dog and another trips over his couch. The only difference is that Jake has benefited from a much better defense the last couple of years.

Popps
10-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Actually, after listening to sports talk in D.C this morning we dont have anything on the Skins fans. They are in total meltdown right now.

With good reason.

Whereas we (in my opinion) are winning games despite not being up to our full sprint, yet. Honestly, we're 4-1 and not playing as good as I think we can... and will. That's some fairly exciting stuff, to me. I know it's not real fashionable around here to be optimistic... but I'm going to go ahead and buck the rules on that one.

Popps
10-17-2006, 01:44 PM
I mean, aside from mobility there isnt much that seperates Brian from Jake honestly.

Right, that and the ability to win games and be a team leader. Besides that, they're exactly the same.

It's amazing you could post that and actually believe it.

Northman
10-17-2006, 02:17 PM
With good reason.

Whereas we (in my opinion) are winning games despite not being up to our full sprint, yet. Honestly, we're 4-1 and not playing as good as I think we can... and will. That's some fairly exciting stuff, to me. I know it's not real fashionable around here to be optimistic... but I'm going to go ahead and buck the rules on that one.



Honestly, its not as bad as you might think it is. I love the fact we are winning but im terrified of wasting a great defense this year with a Qb who cant get back on track. Jake should be progressing, not regressing if you know what i mean.

Northman
10-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Right, that and the ability to win games and be a team leader. Besides that, they're exactly the same.

It's amazing you could post that and actually believe it.



Its more in sarcasm if anything. But still, Brian was young when he took over for John and the pressure was ten times as great than it is with Jake. And you think the defense is bad with Jake? What did you think it was with Brian?

mosca
10-17-2006, 02:57 PM
I'll be honest with you... Watching Jake Plummer stopped being fun for me period.
No fun watching him, period? That's extreme. I know his moments of success this season have been few and far between, but honestly, Taco, did you not have fun watching him scramble for a first down against the Ravens a couple times, throw that TD to Rod in the end zone, throw that 50+ yarder to Javon against the Fade, or light up the Pats for over 130 yards to Javon? If you didn't/couldn't have fun watching those happen, you really are a strange kind of Broncos fan.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2006, 03:07 PM
If you didn't/couldn't have fun watching those happen, you really are a strange kind of Broncos fan.


He's the kind that has to have an idol to worship. There's nothing wrong with that, but it complicates things when he sees the ghost of Elway on the field every time the ball is snapped.

errand
10-17-2006, 04:52 PM
It was great to win... I just don't understand why we aren't winning 13-3 with our future.

Oh well... a win is a win. Nice job defense!

Because TJ, we wouldn't be winning close games with Cutler.

He'd be prone to make a rookie mistake. Nailbiter games like the ones we've been playing require your QB to calm, cool and confident....and that the team respects him.

Just look at it this way....we're winning games and Jake and the O haven't even began to get untracked. Imagine how well they'll do once they do.

I can remember a few seasons ago when 8-8 was all we had to look forward too...once again we have some on here who think 4-1 with an anemic O is worse than 8-8 with an O led by the NFL's most efficient QB bar none when given protection.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-17-2006, 04:56 PM
Fool me twice, uh, er, uh, a fooled man can't get fooled again!

Plummer can. :clown:

errand
10-17-2006, 05:07 PM
This should be titled...

THREAD FOR THOSE HAPPY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEN LOSE


Hey clown, answer this one simple question.

What team won the Super Bowl without making the playoffs?

Kaylore
10-17-2006, 05:07 PM
This thread title gets funnier every time I see it.

Bronx33
10-17-2006, 05:09 PM
I bet bobo giggles like a school girl after each little 7th grade level post.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-17-2006, 05:13 PM
I bet bobo giggles like a school girl after each little 7th grade level post.

You DO amuse me, so I have to admit that you are correct this time. Thanks for all the giggles.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-17-2006, 05:18 PM
MS is trying to make it a point that Cutler is ready to play and take over. He is smart enough to let the team make the decision for him.s

How does that work, exactly? A closed-door meeting with everyone but Plummer?

errand
10-17-2006, 05:19 PM
yeah yeah we won but can a 13-3 "win" against the raiders really be considered a win? theres something to be said about playing to your level not playing down. beating the ravens and patriots in close games, exciting, fulfilling....beat the chiefs in a close game, it was divisional, still rusty, yeah good woohoo....but beating the raiders by only 10 points, good but far from fulfilling.

So should we proud we beat the Packers in SBXXXII by a mere 7 points?

Who cares how big the win is? We won the freaking game. Yeah perhaps we should have scored more points...but we didn't. We won the game without scoring 30 points.

The '77 Broncos went to the Super Bowl despite our QB not throwing for 2,000 yards...and only 14 TD's. We went to the SB despite our leading rusher never gaining 500 yards...and our leading receiver had only 29 receptions for the year. But surely they sucked as well, huh?

We're winning games without the offense piling up tons of points......worked for the Ravens...why couldn't it work for us?

Would you be happier losing games 30-28?

errand
10-17-2006, 05:25 PM
Did we just play the 98 Packers? Or the 2006 Raiders.

Who had 8 false starts?

Who started an absolute scrub in Walter?

Who is 0 - the Season

Who has a terrible coach, terrible talent, no- cohesiveness...

The list is to long.

We were at home, we should be killing loser teams like that. The offense is gonna have to put up pts vs the Colts/Chargers etc...

Again.

Thread for those that enjoy Blue Balls.

I'll demonstrate your absurdity by being absurd myself....

Why didn't our D pitch a shutout...afterall how could they allow a perrenial SB contender like NE only 7 points and the woeful Raiders only 3? The Raiders started a scrub in Walter, have no talent and no cohesiveness...and the league's worst HC.


Freaking clown......

Circle Orange
10-17-2006, 05:27 PM
Actually, after listening to sports talk in D.C this morning we dont have anything on the Skins fans. They are in total meltdown right now.

TRUE. First everyone wanted Brunell out of town, now they want Gibbs' head on a stick...and of course Snyder's getting ripped, too. It's so bad players are being quoted on shows defending Brunell. Everyone's mad we didn't get Merriman, why we aren't playing Duckett, etc., etc. People are sending curse emails to the Radio Talk shows, and they have to edit them for the airwaves.

Meanwhile, I think Popps is one of those radicals out looking for trouble. See how people got worked up again? ;D

errand
10-17-2006, 05:35 PM
That's only 5 games that Plummer has had to adjust to all the new receivers - mainly Javon, Sheffler and to a lesser extent Kircus (and I saw Marshall out on the field today).

Or do you think that offense doesn't need to have timing and feel for where the players will be?

Ya know what...screw these doom and gloom bastards.

When we were setting offensive records year in and year out all we heard was how Kubiak and his playcalling sucked and how Mike called all the plays that worked. etc.....

So tell us how Mike hasn't taken the playbook back from Heimerdinger and Dennison?

Maybe because Mike like Popps and the rest of us doesn't care how he wins the game as long as we win the game.