Are We At War With North Korea?

[Rohirrim]

Don't know if anybody else is watching this on CNN, but the UN Security Counsel just passed sanctions against North Korea. The North Korean ambassador basically blamed everything on the United States and said that NK considers the manipulation of the security counsel by the U.S. and the sanctions themselves, to be a declaration of war against NK. He then got up and left the room in the middle of comments by the South Korean ambassador. I hope our military is at red alert. I would assume they are. Having spent a tour of duty on the Korea DMZ, I'll bet those guys are wide awake.

Thought this might be worthy of main board posting.

[wolf754life]

jump sucka, jump................

[ClevelandBronco]

No, we're not at war with North Korea, but they may be at war with us.

I wish they'd wait until after the Super Bowl. Can someone give them a call and see if this is really urgent?

[gunns]

Some scary a** sh**.

[Spider]

Not war , we will liberate the N.korean people from an evil dictator ..We will bomb democracy into those bastards untill they realize we are a stablizing force .........

[Elway 4 Life]

Some scary a** sh**.

Very scary. Our military is spread so thin as it is with the middle east fiasco.

[Paladin]

Not war , we will liberate the N.korean people from an evil dictator ..We will bomb democracy into those bastards untill they realize we are a stablizing force .........

LOL! All too true in some people's beliefs systems.....

[watermock]

We have been at war with those idiots for 53 years. All there is is a cease fire. And it is the UN finally putting it's stupid stamp on it. I bet China abstained.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

China just announced that allowing the boarding of ships to inspect cargo was unacceptable.

[watermock]

I'm shocked.

[Spider]

Wal Mart is on red alert .................

[Garcia Bronco]

Wal Mart is on red alert .................

LOL

[watermock]

I can literally smell LABF in the neighborhood.

[Spider]

I can literally smell LABF in the neighborhood.

are you sure your cat isnt rebeling by not using the cat box ? ;D

[watermock]

Shouldn't we wonder why someone was compelled to post a political issue on the main forum?

Isn't it obvious? The war and politics forum has become nothing more than a comination of the DNC and the remnants of the Communist party.

[Spider]

Shouldn't we wonder why someone was compelled to post a political issue on the main forum?

Isn't it obvious? The war and politics forum has become nothing more than a comination of the DNC and the remnants of the Communist party.

Still have issues to work out I see ...........

[watermock]

are you sure your cat isnt rebeling by not using the cat box ? ;D

No, but he's rebelling over the IAM's cat food I got him on sale. He pushed it aside and got to the rest of the chef's blend. Ha!

Only Poopy the ancient who occasianally ralphs up is a problem. He's about 120 in cat years. If he gets incontinent he will have to vanish under the plow.

[Spider]

No, but he's rebelling over the IAM's cat food I got him on sale. He pushed it aside and got to the rest of the chef's blend. Ha!

LOL ...... well be thankfull it isnt fancy feast

[dbroncos78087]

Yea i think that they are at war with us as was said earlier. We told them not to test their missles and they did it anyways. Its most likely going to be like Iraq if we go in where we go in and try to bring democracy.

[Alkazar]

Not war , we will liberate the N.korean people from an evil dictator ..We will bomb democracy into those bastards untill they realize we are a stablizing force .........

Nice misplaced saracasm there, Spider!

[Kaylore]

The difference between Iraq and north Korea is that everyone in the world agrees that Kim Jong Il is a total Douche bag. China and Russian are sick of the regugees fleeing into Manchuria and Vladavostok because there is not food, no power and no infrastructure. Jong Il plans to use Nuclear poer to hold the world hostage and force them to feed his populace so he can continue to dedicate the mojaority of his resources towards the military.

When I was in Korea you could go up to the DMZ and look across. The communists build big cardboard facades to replicate the real ones in South Korea.

Kim Jong Il has been the worst in human rights violations since he took over and is a pet project for all of the major human rights organizations in the world. A good example Kim Song Jung, a man I tought when I was over there. His brother is on the other side and can't leave. He says that dissenters are put into prison camps and where they, their children, and their children are to stay for the rest of their lives. The three generation deal is particularly horrible.

Here is a map of the area:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/Korea-at-Night.jpg

You can see even the rural Mancuria has more power than the captial of the country. It is a place that is in dire need of some kind of intervention, be it war, food relief, whatever.

I've been pretty upset the US has been sitting on their thumbs with the country since the eighties. It's a problem no one wanted to deal with and now it's caught up to us.

If we removed the guy we could take out some of our forces stationed there. I'm personally of the belief that his army's morale must be pretty low and it wouldn't be hard to force a coup or get them to give up right away.

We'll see.

[Spider]

Nice misplaced saracasm there, Spider!

Sarcaism ? hell I cant even spell it ......... Just going off the iraqi war info is all

[Spider]

do they have flowers in N.Korea ?

[Alkazar]

Sarcaism ? hell I cant even spell it ......... Just going off the iraqi war info is all
Actually it looks like I can't spell it right either!

[watermock]

Even in 1999 the Clinton Adminstation said that the bi-lateral agreement was working.

[Spider]

Actually it looks like I can't spell it right either!
alright .no moving in on my territory here.... I have worked long and hard to be the worst Grammer ,and worst spellar in the history of the Orange mane ...... You will not take that from me ;D

[Kaylore]

alright .no moving in on my territory here.... I have worked long and hard to be the worst Grammer ,and worst spellar in the history of the Orange mane ...... You will not take that from me ;D

Mock beats you backwards and forwards.

I would have told you you're an idiot becomes:

"I would of told you your a idiot."

[Florida_Bronco]

I imagine that if we end up getting into it with N. Korea, we'll really go after them and try to end it quickly.

[Spider]

Mock beats you backwards and forwards.

I would have told you you're an idiot becomes:

"I would of told you your a idiot."
ever since I been here I have been second to mock in everything but Raider and Chief fan smack ......... dont take that away from me ;D
seriously though , I have seen Mock bust out some damn good football takes ... he has it in him ........

[Spider]

I imagine that if we end up getting into it with N. Korea, we'll really go after them and try to end it quickly.

well before we bomb I say we cut trade with China while we can ..........see if that puts a fire under China's ass ..............

[watermock]

Typical crap from Kaylore when he want's to take a cheap shot. Deflect it Kaylore. All kinds of people make grammatical errors in a message board. That's why they call it a message board...not a grammar board. YOUR A WOMAN.

[watermock]

Of course the libs want to deflect the real topic. I'm shocked. Again, the sad thing is that the War and Politics forum is so berefit of objective conversation it had to be posted here. Noone goes into that craphole except for a circle jerk.

[Spider]

actually I agree we have to do somthing with N.Korea , i dont want war , but war should be on the table as the last option ......... I prefere hitting these assholes in the pocketbook , take thier money , show them that thier wealth and power are nothing but a mere illusion kept alive by us ........ China falls without Wal mart , no other country in the world has the disposable income we do ....

[ludo21]

Definitely scary.. our military is spread wayy thin... this could be ugly if something doent get resolved.

[GonzoLays]

Of course the libs want to deflect the real topic. I'm shocked. Again, the sad thing is that the War and Politics forum is so berefit of objective conversation it had to be posted here. Noone goes into that craphole except for a circle jerk.

Why don't you go and join the war, chickenhawk? You are all for sending somebody else to get killed for this country yet you do nothing but sit your drunk ass behind a keyboard and type how patriotic you are.

Sign up for the military, man! Go get Osama and Kim Jong-il yourself!

Do it.

[ClevelandBronco]

Typical crap from Kaylore when he want's (no apostrophe necessary) to take a cheap shot. Deflect it (comma) Kaylore. All kinds of people make grammatical errors in (I'd use "on" rather than "in," but maybe I'm just being picky) a message board. That's why they call it a message board... (use m-dash instead of ellipses) not a grammar board. YOUR (YOU’RE) A WOMAN.

Go, Hoosiers.

[watermock]

First I'm 47. Second, I would if called apon. If my only son wanted to go in, I wouldn't of stopped him. STFU. I didn't make the international mess, or the U.S. altho we are always both the target of blame and saviors at the same time.

[Spider]

Why don't you go and join the war, chickenhawk? You are all for sending somebody else to get killed for this country yet you do nothing but sit your drunk ass behind a keyboard and type how patriotic you are.

Sign up for the military, man! Go get Osama and Kim Jong-il yourself!

Do it.
I have to agree with Mock on this one , I would join up but I am too damn old , besides I wouldnt want ot make the wife that happy ............ Kim Jong Ill is everything , they said about Saddam , last thing in the world you need is an asshole that will sell nukes during winter when he cant feed himself .......I am all for a full out embargo with Military Ships .........

[Rohirrim]

Didn't want to cause a flame war. I just thought it was worth putting up front. It is a pretty big deal that the entire security council, including China and Russia, have signed off on this. The NK ambassador looked pretty pissed. Of course, with those guys, you never know where the act begins or ends. Hopefully, cooler heads prevail - just like on the board, eh?

[GonzoLays]

First I'm 47. Second, I would if called apon. If my only son wanted to go in, I wouldn't of stopped him. STFU. I didn't make the international mess, or the U.S. altho we are always both the target of blame and saviors at the same time.

Name one war you have not supported? What about Desert Storm?

Your nation needs your brilliance, mock. 47? That ain't old. You could do some hella ass kicking oversees at 47.

I say you start up a militia and try to find Osama yourself. Do it. You could call it the fighting watermock betallion 232. YOu would be a hero, dude.

[GonzoLays]

Didn't want to cause a flame war. I just thought it was worth putting up front. It is a pretty big deal that the entire security council, including China and Russia, have signed off on this. The NK ambassador looked pretty pissed. Of course, with those guys, you never know where the act begins or ends. Hopefully, cooler heads prevail - just like on the board, eh?

Much ado about nothing. So the **** what NK stormed off. Its not like they liked us before.

Everybody please stop creaming your pants and move on with your life.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Shouldn't we wonder why someone was compelled to post a political issue on the main forum?

Isn't it obvious? The war and politics forum has become nothing more than a comination of the DNC and the remnants of the Communist party.
LOL
This coming from one of the biggest, racist bigots in "Wolverine" country........Classic!!!!

QUOTE=watermock; Shouldn't we wonder why someone was compelled to post a political issue on the main forum? As opposed to what, you starting a thread about you diddling your cat?

[2KBack]

Hopefully, cooler heads prevail - just like on the board, eh?

We're screwed

[Moon§hiner]

What??...now there is an opium shortage so we have to invade another "helpless country"?....I swear.. if it's not oil, it's opium we are after.
All joking aside, I hope it doesn't come down to arms conflict but NK is like the little punk in the neighborhood that has a big brother (China) and will pick a fight with anyone. Thus far big brother is staying out of the fracas but if stuff starts happening too close to their border they will have to make a decision that we might not like.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Much ado about nothing. So the **** what NK stormed off. Its not like they liked us before.

Everybody please stop creaming your pants and move on with your life.
Actually, NK is running out of options and threats. The country is in chaos basically, running out of food and money.
One thing to keep in mind is if they feel they have no where to go or no way to improve their situation, they could very well sell a nuclear weapon to some terrorist group to get at us.

[Florida_Bronco]

Gonzo, seriously shut the **** up you worthless little troll. You are the last person here who should be attacking anyone for their posts and your whole tripe here was completely unprovoked.

[Alkazar]

Name one war you have not supported? What about Desert Storm?

Your nation needs your brilliance, mock. 47? That ain't old. You could do some hella ass kicking oversees at 47.

I say you start up a militia and try to find Osama yourself. Do it. You could call it the fighting watermock betallion 232. YOu would be a hero, dude.

Why do you feel the need to just insult and degrade everyone who disagrees with you? I'm about to put you on ignore and I really dislike the ignore feature. I figure everyone eventually puts in some worthwhile conversation but so far you haven't. Whether its a political discussion or football takes or what have you, you don't bring any meaningful discussion to the table. You're like a 2 year old demanding attention. When you start bringing some adult conversation to the table, I'll start listening to you again, until then, this is the last advice you'll get from me.

[Florida_Bronco]

Why do you feel the need to just insult and degrade everyone who disagrees with you? I'm about to put you on ignore and I really dislike the ignore feature. I figure everyone eventually puts in some worthwhile conversation but so far you haven't. Whether its a political discussion or football takes or what have you, you don't bring any meaningful discussion to the table. You're like a 2 year old demanding attention. When you start bringing some adult conversation to the table, I'll start listening to you again, until then, this is the last advice you'll get from me.

Gonzo is the biggest idiot on the Mane. I knew that when he suggested that the cop who shot Steve Foley was trying to rob him.

[watermock]

LOL
This coming from one of the biggest, racist bigots in "Wolverine" country........Classic!!!!

As opposed to what, you starting a thread about you diddling your cat?

Back in your pig stye I see. You circle jerks are free to carry on.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Back in your pig stye I see. You circle jerks are free to carry on.
What are you doing here, did you get lost?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I can literally smell LABF in the neighborhood.

http://www.amour.pl/asortyment_img/CK-Obsession-Man-EDT.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why don't you go and join the war, chickenhawk? You are all for sending somebody else to get killed for this country yet you do nothing but sit your drunk ass behind a keyboard and type how patriotic you are.


Sign up for the military, man! Go get Osama and Kim Jong-il yourself!

Do it.

:thumbsup: ^5

[Spider]

I was one of the lets get N.Korea before Iraq crowd . A few of us saw that threat comming a mile away ........... Clinton wanted to bomb N.Korea all the way up to 1997 .......... 9 years later and they are stronger now ............

[defenseman]

I'll gaurantee you one thing, anything "high quality" in NK is covered every which way but sunday. It certianly gets interesting out in that neck of the woods...dman

[gunns]

Typical crap from Kaylore when he want's to take a cheap shot. Deflect it Kaylore. All kinds of people make grammatical errors in a message board. That's why they call it a message board...not a grammar board. YOUR A WOMAN.

HEY, that's just wrong!

It's YOU'RE A WOMAN.

[gunns]

Does anyone have a link that our military is spread thin?

I've talked with some who are just damn gung ho to get it on with NK. When I mentioned that our military was spread thin, evidenced by the extended tours and calling up those ready to retire, they said that's normal in any conflict and that we could easily dispose of NK. I'm just not buying it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Does anyone have a link that our military is spread thin?

I've talked with some who are just damn gung ho to get it on with NK. When I mentioned that our military was spread thin, evidenced by the extended tours and calling up those ready to retire, they said that's normal in any conflict and that we could easily dispose of NK. I'm just not buying it.
Anyone who said this knows nothing about our military or theirs.


Study: Army stretched to breaking point
WASHINGTON (AP) — Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a "thin green line" that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

Andrew Krepinevich, a retired Army officer who wrote the report under a Pentagon contract, concluded that the Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency. He also suggested that the Pentagon's decision, announced in December, to begin reducing the force in Iraq this year was driven in part by a realization that the Army was overextended.
CONT (http://tinyurl.com/be2lb)


Army Lowers Standards and Increases Bonuses, But Still Falling Short of Recruiting Goal (http://tinyurl.com/c92nr)

[Hotrod]

Wal Mart is on red alert .................

LOL hahahahahahaha

[bendog]

That's a positive sign the Chinese are ok with stopping ships. KimBongII isn't crazy. Now if Bejing will only bitchslap the boy warrior king and the neocons, maybe this thing can get solved.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

N. Korea Air Has No Radioactivity

Results from an initial air sampling after North Korea's announced nuclear test showed no evidence of radioactive particles that would be expected from a successful nuclear detonation, a U.S. government intelligence official said Friday.

The readings reinforce uncertainty about the size and success of that underground explosion, which North Korea has trumpeted as a nuclear test. It also keeps alive lingering questions about whether it was in fact a nuclear blast. Data from seismic sensors have already indicated the explosion was smaller than expected.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/10/13/national/w093930D57.DTL

http://www.bartcop.com/mccain_bombs.jpg

[Hotrod]

Not so fast........

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/14/nkorea.test.sample/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A preliminary analysis of air samples from North Korea shows "radioactive debris consistent with a North Korea nuclear test," according to a statement from the office of the top U.S. intelligence official.

The statement, from the office of Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, was sent to Capitol Hill but not released publicly. CNN obtained it from a congressional source.

If confirmed, the nuclear weapons test that North Korea claimed it conducted on Monday would be the first of its kind since Pakistan's underground blast in 1998. (Watch information on first evidence of radioactivity -- 1:23)

Pyongyang's claim has renewed fears of a regional arms race and that North Korea might aid terrorists with nuclear materials or technology. (Full story)

The national intelligence office statement said the air samples were collected Wednesday, and analysis found debris that would be consistent with a nuclear test "in the vicinity of Punggye" on Monday.

"Additional analysis is ongoing and will be completed in a few days," the statement said.

The South Korean Defense Ministry told CNN that the United States has informed it that radioactivity has been detected.

The report is in contrast to information provided to CNN earlier Friday from two U.S. government officials with access to classified information. Those officials said that an initial air sampling over North Korea showed no indication of radioactive debris.

The White House said it had no confirmation that the North Koreans conducted a nuclear test.

"We've seen the various press reports," said National Security Council spokesman Fred Jones. "We still have no definitive statement on the event. The intelligence community continues to analyze the data."

The U.S. Air Force flew a WC-135 Constant Phoenix atmospheric collection aircraft on Tuesday to collect air samples from the region.

The intelligence community and the military will also continue to collect air samples in the region and use satellite information to try to collect radiological data that would confirm a nuclear test, officials said. But as time goes on, it will be increasingly difficult to achieve confirmation.

Officials emphasized earlier Friday that the data collected are preliminary and provide no conclusive evidence about the North Korean event.

It is possible there was no radiological data. That could be the case if: the North Koreans successfully sealed the site; it was such a small detonation and so deep underground there was no escape of nuclear debris; or the test was actually conventional explosives.

The U.N. Security Council has agreed to vote Saturday on whether to impose sanctions on North Korea over the purported nuclear test, according to John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

[Spider]

Wal Mart has dispatched the USS Wal mart to secure shipping lanes .........
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/87/15/39/00/0087153900114_215X215.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The statement, from the office of Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte....


Stopped reading right there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wal Mart has dispatched the USS Wal mart to secure shipping lanes .........
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/87/15/39/00/0087153900114_215X215.jpg

:giggle: ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Irony of the day:

Rice: World united against North Korea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061017/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_nkorea_test

Engaging in a bit of projection, are we Kindasleaza?

:D

[Hotrod]

Stopped reading right there.

Suite yourself...

The facts are starting to add up that this is for real. Hate Bush all you want I dont blame you but dont lose site of the bigger picture......the world has taken a turn for the worse regardless of whos fault it is.

Go ahead and respond with anit-Bush posts I really dont care. Just know your missing the real issue. Crazy mofo's now have the "bomb"....with more to follow...the world is sinking quick.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Suite yourself...

The facts are starting to add up that this is for real. Hate Bush all you want I dont blame you but dont lose site of the bigger picture......the world has taken a turn for the worse regardless of whos fault it is.

Go ahead and respond with anit-Bush posts I really dont care. Just know your missing the real issue. Crazy mofo's now have the "bomb"....with more to follow...the world is sinking quick.

Nice strawman, but I didn't mention Bush.

My reference was to Negroponte, a.k.a., Mr. Death Squad, the Iran-Contra felon.

Hardly a credible individual with a track record for truthfulness.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/rove-foley-cheney.jpg

[Hotrod]

Nice strawman, but I didn't mention Bush.

My reference was to Negroponte, a.k.a., Mr. Death Squad, the Iran-Contra felon.

Hardly a credible individual with a track record for truthfulness.

Your right I was just jumping out in front of you on this one. Since we all know damn well as soon as I made the point that this **** is getting serious and something better be done soon you would have jumped in with a Bush joke and derailed yet another thread.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your right I was just jumping out in front of you on this one. Since we all know damn well as soon as I made the point that this **** is getting serious and something better be done soon you would have jumped in with a Bush joke and derailed yet another thread.

If a Bush joke is all it takes to "derail" your train, then your train must have permanently jumped its tracks a long time ago.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...as soon as I made the point that this **** is getting serious and something better be done soon

That's funny - I don't hear this kind of urgency re: NK coming from the Bush WH.

When Clinton didn't go beyond supporting sanctions against Iraq, right-wingers accused him of being too soft.

Funny how these same people are silent about Bush's handling of NK (except when they're trying to blame Clinton for six years of BushCo inaction, that is.)

Also funny how the Bush WH can state that using nukes to take out Iran's alleged nuclear weapons facilities is an option that's 'on the table' whereas the same option isn't on the table when we're faced with an 'axis of evil' club member who just detonated a nuclear bomb, plans to do it again, and defies attempts at sanctions as "an act of war."

[bendog]

What's wierd to me is that this war of ideology w/n the gop camp over whether to pay the man or (In Bone's voice) 'dammit, Jim, there are principles at state,' really echos the Reagan admin on whether to engage with China. the funny thing is Reagan stayed out of it pretty much, and Haig/Bush/Baker fired the neocons. Meanwhile Crazy Ron offered to get rid of ALL our nukes. Maybe he wasn't that crazy.

[Hotrod]

That's funny - I don't hear this kind of urgency re: NK coming from the Bush WH.

When Clinton didn't go beyond supporting sanctions against Iraq, right-wingers accused him of being too soft.

Funny how these same people are silent about Bush's handling of NK (except when they're tring to blame Clinton for six years of BushCo inaction, that is.)

Also funny how the Bush WH can state that using nukes to take out Iran's alleged nuclear weapons facilities is an option that's 'on the table' whereas the same option isn't on the table when we're faced with an 'axis of evil' club member who just detonated a nuclear bomb, plans to do it again, and defies attempts at sanctions as "an act of war."


LOL also quite funny I pegged you when I said you would turn the subject into a Bush bash :giggle:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL also quite funny I pegged you when I said you would turn the subject into a Bush bash :giggle:

I'll take that as an "I can't dispute anything you just said in your last post, LABF."

[SPfloppy]

If you'd like to know my thoughts on the subject go to the member's page find me and look at my last few posts. I said all of this already. We are at a building point where by we are both poking each other with sticks. We have a bigger stick. They have numbers a ground war right now isn't viable. If they invaded SK, it would take weeks to stop thier advance and get material in place over there just to support a long term battle. The simple truth is this we would need no less than 500,000 infantry troops (NOT COUNTING SUPPORT I mean leg troops) just for a counter attack. After the first 5,000 or so US GI's bite it in country we would have a choice draw down Iraq and Afgan or institute a draft. LABF how old are you again?