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epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2006, 02:23 PM
I've seen them play a few times on NBATV against European and American competition. They are the same old Suns. Whether or not you think that is a good thing is up to you, but I noticed some things about their team that will keep them from beating the elite teams in the West, Dallas and San Antonio.

1) Amare Stoudemire is not 100%.
His lateral mobility has been reduced, and his leaping explosiveness is not at the level it was pre-microfracture surgery. I saw Sam Dalembert and Chris Webber both out maneuver him in the post, which should be disheartening for fans of Stoudemire. I compared him to Iguodala who is one of the more explosive forwards in the league. Iguodala's bounce is stronger, his footwork is more smooth, and this defensive set stance is stronger. Stoudemire has had two offseasons and a whole season to get his legs back and they still look shaky. I dont think that he will be the player that he was before. He'll have to recreate his game a little to become a more cerebral player with an elbow post shooting/passing game ala Malone. I think that he'll actually be a liability for the Suns at times when they play more physical teams. That means that the playoffs might be tough for him.

2) The Suns do not Commit Effort to Defense.
The Suns still save all of their energy for the fast break. Until they balance their effort out on both ends, they will not be able to orient themselves confidently on offense or defense in the playoffs when the game slows down and set plays become the standard set on both ends. We saw Dallas take the next step when they slowed their game down and committed to defending. Ironically it took the loss of Nash and the acquisition of defensive players like Diop, Dampier, and Adrian Griffin for Dallas to round out their style into one that was more playoff-capable. The Suns have yet to learn that lesson.

3) Steve Nash is not Getting Younger.
Nash has a history of sputtering out late in the playoffs. It was a problem in Dallas, and it was a problem in both of the Suns' appearances of late. He still competes, but he doesnt compete on the level of the other major Western MVP's (Bryant, Nowitzki, Duncan, and even McGrady) have for their respective teams over the years. Nash needs to take the next step to get his team over the hump just as Bryant, Nowitzki, and Duncan have had to throughout their careers. Im not certain that Nash will be healthy and ready to make that step from this point of his career forward. His best chance was in '06, and Nowitzki upstaged him.

azbroncfan
11-25-2006, 08:21 PM
and Mavs don't look too good either. Actually I was wrong 8 straight, but Llama hates the suns and loves taking shots at them.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2006, 03:57 AM
and Mavs don't look too good either. Actually I was wrong 8 straight, but Llama hates the suns and loves taking shots at them.

I wrote that little piece in the preseason after I had seen several of the Suns' preseason games.

In saying that I like taking shots at the Suns, you are only abstractly correct. I love Nash as a player and as a person. He's a quality guy. He's fun to root for. Remember, he was an all-star in Dallas before he was in Phoenix. I like Marion. It's a shame that that organization almost kicked him to the curb a couple of times. I like Raja (even though he's a really dirty player), who is another former Mav. I like Barbosa. He's an authentically humble kid.

I do not like "The Suns" because they are a media creation. "The Suns" are better than they really are. "The Suns" dont have an old PG with chronic back problems. "The Suns" dont keep getting shelved by better teams. "The Suns" have a legitimate shot at a championship. We all know that that is a figment of some NBA marketing manager's imagination.

GonzoLays
11-26-2006, 06:18 PM
I do not like "The Suns" because they are a media creation. "The Suns" are better than they really are. "The Suns" dont have an old PG with chronic back problems. "The Suns" dont keep getting shelved by better teams. "The Suns" have a legitimate shot at a championship. We all know that that is a figment of some NBA marketing manager's imagination.

Man, you got somekind of obsession with NBA marketing.

And what exactly are you doing watching the NBA anyway? You swore off the devil last year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2006, 11:42 PM
[QUOTE]Man, you got somekind of obsession with NBA marketing.

It's marketed to 12 year olds, but adults still sop up the syrup too. I guess that my frustration concerns the willingful ignorance of adult NBA customers. I can understand the NBA's push to make some coin. That's just business. On the other hand, you have sportswriters and media members that willingly play along to secure their own interests.

And what exactly are you doing watching the NBA anyway? You swore off the devil last year.

Yeah, I know. I have been sucked in by the Mark Cuban v. David Stern aspect of things this season. It's like watching an empowered superfan take on the conglomerate. Fascinating stuff. The Mavs/Spurs series is entertaining too. It's Lakers/Celtics stuff.

Im not watching as much as I have in the past though. I have been doing quite a bit of reading in my free time.

Unfortunately the only satisfaction I will have in any NBA occurrences this season will involve Stern aknowledging what a crook he is and how far down the tubes he has taken the NBA during his tenure. I know that that isnt happening any time soon, but I can hope that Cuban eventually costs him his job.

azbroncfan
12-20-2006, 01:32 PM
Llama, are they still lacking?

azbroncfan
01-23-2007, 01:51 PM
Llama, how are you going to react when Nash gets third straight MVP?

ludo21
01-23-2007, 05:06 PM
i doubt he gets it this year. Too many people whining about it may stop the voters from voting him in.

Besides, LEbron needs to get one, right?

Nash has a great team around him this year tho, but he is the cog that makes our team go round.

Nuggets4
01-23-2007, 06:22 PM
This is the year Nash SHOULD have gotten the MVP, so he won't. Last year and the year before he shouldn't have.

ludo21
01-28-2007, 06:38 PM
17 in a row, man the Suns are lacking

azbroncfan
01-29-2007, 12:45 AM
33-2 over past 35. Every other team to do the same won the title. Llama made this thread because the suns have him nervous and his arguments couldn't be farther from the truth.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2007, 04:15 AM
33-2 over past 35. Every other team to do the same won the title. Llama made this thread because the suns have him nervous and his arguments couldn't be farther from the truth.

All of the arguments I made in this thread are still valid today. They are all oriented to whether or not the Suns will be able to take down superior playoff-style teams when it really counts. Look again, the thread doesnt say "the Suns suck HAHAHA l-o-l!!!!!"...it is entitled "Suns Still Lacking."

By the early returns, it doesnt look like the Suns have made any advances. They have made a living off of broken and beaten down teams so far. Their record against the West's top teams speaks volumes for itself.

I'll eat my words if they end up winning the West, but I still dont think that they can do it. They arent equipped. Looking down the pike at the rest of the season, it looks like Phoenix will end up in second place, playing the Lakers, Rockets, Jazz, or maybe the Nuggets in the first round, and then the Spurs in the second round.

Given how evenly the Lakers and Clippers played PHX last season in the playoffs, I dont see how any Suns fan couldnt be worried that a vastly improved Laker squad or a McGrady/Yao Rockets team or a hungry and talented Utah team could knock them off in round 1. Then they would have to beat a highly efficient and disciplined Spurs team with loads of playoff toughness. If they got through the Spurs in one piece, it would be off to play the Mavs, who are the best team in the NBA. That's quite a gauntlet.

ludo21
02-15-2007, 12:04 AM
Without Steve Nash we are lacking our MVP for sure.

The last 3 games we look bad, even in our win vs. Portland we played awful.

Nash is MVP, he makes this offense go, without him, well... just watch a game and u will see.

epicSocialism4tw
02-15-2007, 01:30 AM
Without Steve Nash we are lacking our MVP for sure.
The last 3 games we look bad, even in our win vs. Portland we played awful.
Nash is MVP, he makes this offense go, without him, well... just watch a game and u will see.

Nash may be your MVP, but he's certainly not the league MVP.

Nash ran out of gas trying to keep pace with Dirk's Mavs. Dirk's still rolling strong, evidenced by the 38/11/8 night he had last night carrying the Mavs on his back when no one else could hit a shot, and making people miss before grabbing their rebounds on the other end.

It's Dirk's year. The Mavs are on pace for 70 wins. If they get anywhere near that, no one else will be in the conversation. Dirk will win in a landslide.


http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/fullgetty-71796894lm017_suns_mavs_11_10_09_pm.jpg

http://www.nbcsports.com/2006/1229/730584_240X350.jpg

ludo21
02-15-2007, 04:11 PM
he deserves it too. No problem with me.

Jason7730
03-15-2007, 03:55 AM
how does he look now llama?

azbroncfan
03-15-2007, 04:23 AM
It's Dirk's year. The Mavs are on pace for 70 wins. If they get anywhere near that, no one else will be in the conversation. Dirk will win in a landslide.


http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/fullgetty-71796894lm017_suns_mavs_11_10_09_pm.jpg

http://www.nbcsports.com/2006/1229/730584_240X350.jpg

Dirk will win MVP and he derserves it but it will be at the expense of a raw pud for Llama. ugh!~ :deadhorse :deadhorse :TJnPopps:

Northman
03-15-2007, 06:59 AM
Poor Lama, always getting his hopes up just to be shot down again.

CHEF LUIGI
03-15-2007, 05:33 PM
nash scored 10 points in 57 seconds, the last minute of regulation !
four letter word for "clutch" n-a-s-h.
four letter word for MVP, same spelling, n-a-s-h.

ludo21
03-15-2007, 05:39 PM
1) Amare Stoudemire is not 100%.

that is hilarious now even more.... ;D

and....

2) The Suns do not Commit Effort to Defense.

Nash is only leading the team in charges... and that steal was sicktastic!! ;D

Id go on, but we still gotta win in the playoffs, so i dont wanna put the footb in my mouth..

Inkana7
03-17-2007, 01:08 AM
nash scored 10 points in 57 seconds, the last minute of regulation !
four letter word for "clutch" n-a-s-h.
four letter word for MVP, same spelling, n-a-s-h.

Dirk hit the game winner earlier this year.

But I guess that doesn't count because he's not Steve Nash.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Dirk hit the game winner earlier this year.

But I guess that doesn't count because he's not Steve Nash.

Dirk also brought down the Suns in the Western Finals last season with a cumulative legendary performance including a game where Dirk blasted the Suns in the fourth quarter for most of his 50 points.

Nash has yet to do anything in his career to trump that.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2007, 02:01 AM
2) The Suns do not Commit Effort to Defense.
Nash is only leading the team in charges... and that steal was sicktastic!!
Id go on, but we still gotta win in the playoffs, so i dont wanna put the footb in my mouth..

If allowing 131 points to the Nuggets, 111 in regulation to the Mavs, and over 100 points to the Pistons in recent games is an example of their defensive effort, then you have put your foot in your mouth already ;D

azbroncfan
03-19-2007, 02:26 PM
Dirk also brought down the Suns in the Western Finals last season with a cumulative legendary performance including a game where Dirk blasted the Suns in the fourth quarter for most of his 50 points.

Nash has yet to do anything in his career to trump that.

It's funny how you go into hiding after a Mavs loss. Too bad Dirks legendary performance in the finals cost the mavs the series.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2007, 05:16 PM
It's funny how you go into hiding after a Mavs loss. Too bad Dirks legendary performance in the finals cost the mavs the series.

I love it when people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about weigh in on issues that they have no perspective on.

Keep up the good work!

Jens1893
03-19-2007, 05:27 PM
http://www.fibaeurope.com/eurobasket2005/en/files/%7BFEE887DF-1E18-4CE0-90B8-A9F1C4583559%7Dlarge_v.jpg

Hell soon add another MVP trophy to his collection.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2007, 05:42 PM
Here's a legitimate questions for the basketball enthusiasts out there with a feel for the pulse of the NBA:

Why does the national media (mainly ESPiN) dislike Nowitzki?

Inkana7
03-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Here's a legitimate questions for the basketball enthusiasts out there with a feel for the pulse of the NBA:

Why does the national media (mainly ESPiN) dislike Nowitzki?

He's on the best team, not the most exciting team. Nash is. The Suns had a 160 point game this year, didn't they? The Media likes people or teams that create excitement, score points.

Jens1893
03-19-2007, 06:19 PM
Here's a legitimate questions for the basketball enthusiasts out there with a feel for the pulse of the NBA:

Why does the national media (mainly ESPiN) dislike Nowitzki?

Because hes white and European?

Northman
03-19-2007, 06:35 PM
Here's a legitimate questions for the basketball enthusiasts out there with a feel for the pulse of the NBA:

Why does the national media (mainly ESPiN) dislike Nowitzki?



How did you come up with the conclusion the NBA doesnt like Dirk? Ive never heard them talk badly about him nor shun any of his highlights.

Master___Pain
03-19-2007, 06:56 PM
Because hes white and European?

Well, according to laker fan, the NBA is out to get Kobe. The conspiracies about who espin, et al, are trying to pimp are so stupid.

Nuggets4
03-19-2007, 07:16 PM
Here's a legitimate questions for the basketball enthusiasts out there with a feel for the pulse of the NBA:

Why does the national media (mainly ESPiN) dislike Nowitzki?

This is such a joke and you know it. ESPN loves Dirk. You never hear a bad thing about Dirk during a Mavs game. Sure, you might not get the "features" on SportsCenter that Kobe and Nash do, but who cares?

Seriously, the fact that it upsets you that Dirk doesn't get more attention is disturbing. You're the type of person that if Dallas wins this year, you're going to gripe all season about how they "didn't get respect". Get over it and just watch the games.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2007, 09:50 PM
Because hes white and European?

I think that there's some truth to that. Dirk didnt spend a day in an American school and learned the game from an eccentric German coach.

I think that there are other reasons too (in no particular order).

#1 - the national media in general dislikes Mark Cuban. They find him an annoyance. Cuban has taken public shots at major newspaper columnists from Chicago, LA, Miami, and NY. He has criticized them for inaccurate and lazy reporting...he specifically nailed Peter Vescey, Sam Smith, and some guy from Miami. Cuban has an independent voice from which he can say whatever he chooses (as long as he is willing to pay the fine), and the columnists try to hold their ground against him.

#2 - the media has spent so much time bagging on Dallas in the past that they cant admit their own failure. There are guys who will call a spade a spade (Barkley, Greg Anthony, Jon Barry, Doug Collins, Reggie Miller) regardless of whether or not they "like" a team or a player. Those guys are few and far between when contrasted with the guys who pander to the people that cut them checks (Hollinger, Jim Gray, Marv Albert, John Saunders, etc, etc) or the people who have no objectivity because they arent required to (that encapsulates just about everyone else). It's hard not to like Steve Nash, but it's hard not to like Nowitzki too. Despite Nowitzki's attractiveness as a personality, the media paints everything he does with questionmarks even though he has proven alot more over his career. Despite Dirk's tendancy to convert the dramatic play, and a reel full of difficult shots, you dont see many Nowitzki highlights. Nash on the other hand can do no wrong. He'll never have a turnover in the highlight reel, but you'll see almost everything else he does while the sportsdesk fawns in adulation.

#3 - Dirk doesnt talk trash, and heaps praise on opponents.

#4 - Dirk has been an annoyance because he just wont go away. He keeps on forcing people to notice him and the Mavs.

#5 - What does it mean for American basketball if the best playoff performance since Jordan retired was put on display by a tall, white, awkward European guy? Make no mistake, Dirk's playoff performance was absolutely brilliant. Against Memphis he was outstanding. Against the Spurs, he was legendary. Against the Suns, he was a "Pantheon guy" according to Bill Simmons. He fizzled out in a couple of the games against the Heat, but those two games dont discount the fact that he put his team on his back in legendary fashion to get his team there to compete for the trophy. That basket against the Spurs (on top of his ridiculous stats for the series) and the 50 pointer against PHX are pretty much the most significant couple of playoff performances since Jordan pushed Byron Russell out of the way to unleash the Jazz-killing jumper.

Northman
03-20-2007, 06:34 AM
I think that there's some truth to that. Dirk didnt spend a day in an American school and learned the game from an eccentric German coach.

I think that there are other reasons too (in no particular order).

#1 - the national media in general dislikes Mark Cuban. They find him an annoyance. Cuban has taken public shots at major newspaper columnists from Chicago, LA, Miami, and NY. He has criticized them for inaccurate and lazy reporting...he specifically nailed Peter Vescey, Sam Smith, and some guy from Miami. Cuban has an independent voice from which he can say whatever he chooses (as long as he is willing to pay the fine), and the columnists try to hold their ground against him.

#2 - the media has spent so much time bagging on Dallas in the past that they cant admit their own failure. There are guys who will call a spade a spade (Barkley, Greg Anthony, Jon Barry, Doug Collins, Reggie Miller) regardless of whether or not they "like" a team or a player. Those guys are few and far between when contrasted with the guys who pander to the people that cut them checks (Hollinger, Jim Gray, Marv Albert, John Saunders, etc, etc) or the people who have no objectivity because they arent required to (that encapsulates just about everyone else). It's hard not to like Steve Nash, but it's hard not to like Nowitzki too. Despite Nowitzki's attractiveness as a personality, the media paints everything he does with questionmarks even though he has proven alot more over his career. Despite Dirk's tendancy to convert the dramatic play, and a reel full of difficult shots, you dont see many Nowitzki highlights. Nash on the other hand can do no wrong. He'll never have a turnover in the highlight reel, but you'll see almost everything else he does while the sportsdesk fawns in adulation.

#3 - Dirk doesnt talk trash, and heaps praise on opponents.

#4 - Dirk has been an annoyance because he just wont go away. He keeps on forcing people to notice him and the Mavs.

#5 - What does it mean for American basketball if the best playoff performance since Jordan retired was put on display by a tall, white, awkward European guy? Make no mistake, Dirk's playoff performance was absolutely brilliant. Against Memphis he was outstanding. Against the Spurs, he was legendary. Against the Suns, he was a "Pantheon guy" according to Bill Simmons. He fizzled out in a couple of the games against the Heat, but those two games dont discount the fact that he put his team on his back in legendary fashion to get his team there to compete for the trophy. That basket against the Spurs (on top of his ridiculous stats for the series) and the 50 pointer against PHX are pretty much the most significant couple of playoff performances since Jordan pushed Byron Russell out of the way to unleash the Jazz-killing jumper.




1) Any negativity that Cuban brings to his team is Cubans fault. Its called ACCOUNTABILITY

Northman
03-20-2007, 06:41 AM
I think that there's some truth to that. Dirk didnt spend a day in an American school and learned the game from an eccentric German coach.

I think that there are other reasons too (in no particular order).

#1 - the national media in general dislikes Mark Cuban. They find him an annoyance. Cuban has taken public shots at major newspaper columnists from Chicago, LA, Miami, and NY. He has criticized them for inaccurate and lazy reporting...he specifically nailed Peter Vescey, Sam Smith, and some guy from Miami. Cuban has an independent voice from which he can say whatever he chooses (as long as he is willing to pay the fine), and the columnists try to hold their ground against him.

#2 - the media has spent so much time bagging on Dallas in the past that they cant admit their own failure. There are guys who will call a spade a spade (Barkley, Greg Anthony, Jon Barry, Doug Collins, Reggie Miller) regardless of whether or not they "like" a team or a player. Those guys are few and far between when contrasted with the guys who pander to the people that cut them checks (Hollinger, Jim Gray, Marv Albert, John Saunders, etc, etc) or the people who have no objectivity because they arent required to (that encapsulates just about everyone else). It's hard not to like Steve Nash, but it's hard not to like Nowitzki too. Despite Nowitzki's attractiveness as a personality, the media paints everything he does with questionmarks even though he has proven alot more over his career. Despite Dirk's tendancy to convert the dramatic play, and a reel full of difficult shots, you dont see many Nowitzki highlights. Nash on the other hand can do no wrong. He'll never have a turnover in the highlight reel, but you'll see almost everything else he does while the sportsdesk fawns in adulation.

#3 - Dirk doesnt talk trash, and heaps praise on opponents.

#4 - Dirk has been an annoyance because he just wont go away. He keeps on forcing people to notice him and the Mavs.

#5 - What does it mean for American basketball if the best playoff performance since Jordan retired was put on display by a tall, white, awkward European guy? Make no mistake, Dirk's playoff performance was absolutely brilliant. Against Memphis he was outstanding. Against the Spurs, he was legendary. Against the Suns, he was a "Pantheon guy" according to Bill Simmons. He fizzled out in a couple of the games against the Heat, but those two games dont discount the fact that he put his team on his back in legendary fashion to get his team there to compete for the trophy. That basket against the Spurs (on top of his ridiculous stats for the series) and the 50 pointer against PHX are pretty much the most significant couple of playoff performances since Jordan pushed Byron Russell out of the way to unleash the Jazz-killing jumper.




1) Any negativity that Cuban brings to his team is Cubans fault. Its called ACCOUNTABILITY. Mark knows the rules regarding slamming the media or misbehaving on the court but yet he still does it because he knows he has the money to pay the fines. Dont get me wrong, i love his passion for his team and he is in general a cool guy as ive heard in some interviews. But overall, his antics are on him, not anyone else. Anyone else who behaves like that gets fined also so he isnt singled out there.

2) The media bags on Dallas because time in and time out they put up great numbers and have a lot of talent only to fall short come championship time. Dallas is a Jeckle and Hyde of the NBA and its a head scratcher. Perhaps this year is different but until they win it all thats how they will be viewed. Again, nothing new.

3) True

4) He wont go away because in some games he lights it up and in others he chokes on man sausage.

5) This is a bunch of crap here, ever heard of Larry Bird? Do you really think they care that a white guy is a Super star? Gimme a break. Once Dirk gets a ring the media will be flogging him daily and then you will be whining that he never got respect blah blah blah. Thats how it works in Sports Lama, even you should know this by now.

ludo21
03-21-2007, 02:06 AM
Pacific Division Champs..

yeaahhhhh babbbbbyyyyyy.. ;D

TheManeMan
03-21-2007, 03:03 PM
figures that the bitterest b!tch on the board starts this thread...::)

MR ROPER
03-22-2007, 12:39 AM
This is my first ever post on this site and I also think the bitterest b!tch on the board started this thread

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2007, 05:17 PM
Here's an honest Suns fan's take:

"All the Credit, None of the Blame?

After Wednesday's classic double overtime win against Dallas, the Phoenix Suns have been blown out 105-83 at home by Detroit and 131-107 by the Denver Nuggets. It seemed that on Thursday morning a consensus was developing to give Steve Nash the MVP after his tremendous play down the stretch against Dallas. He was fantastic, no doubt about it--but if he gets all the credit for Phoenix' win (never mind Amare Stoudemire's 41 points and 10 rebounds) then who gets the blame when the Suns get destroyed in back to back games? The Suns have their complete roster intact, so injuries aren't the culprit. I'm not trying to pick on Steve Nash. I think that he is a wonderful player--but something is fishy if we are supposed to believe that he deserves all of the credit when they win but should receive none of the blame when they lose. If a one minute stretch versus Dallas can "win" or "clinch" an MVP, do two bad games open the race back up for other contenders? No, Nash did not play terribly in either loss (20 points, six assists against Detroit, 15 points and 10 assists versus Denver) but he has been winning MVPs based on the idea that he makes the whole team better and is the main reason that the Suns win. If he plays OK, the Suns are at full strength and they get blown out--twice--then something does not add up. Somehow, I doubt that the lead story on ABC or ESPN's coverage today will be that the Suns' performances have reopened the MVP race that supposedly was closed on Wednesday. All I'm saying is that the standard should be consistent. My position does not change game by game: Kobe Bryant is the best player in the NBA and should get the MVP if the award is supposed to honor the best player; if the MVP is supposed to go to the best player on the best team, then Dirk Nowitzki should win it this year, barring a complete collapse by the Mavericks. One or two good or bad games by anybody will not change my opinion about that--but those who "awarded" the MVP to Nash on Thursday morning have some explaining to do. "
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2007/03/all-credit-none-of-blame.html




Personally, I think that Phoenix fans as a group are content to watch the show. If a championship comes, then that's just a bonus.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2007, 05:26 PM
1) Any negativity that Cuban brings to his team is Cubans fault. Its called ACCOUNTABILITY. Mark knows the rules regarding slamming the media or misbehaving on the court but yet he still does it because he knows he has the money to pay the fines. Dont get me wrong, i love his passion for his team and he is in general a cool guy as ive heard in some interviews. But overall, his antics are on him, not anyone else. Anyone else who behaves like that gets fined also so he isnt singled out there.

Oh, I'm not complaining about the fines. He knows what he's doing. If Dirk loses the MVP this season, I am confident that it will be because of Cuban. Cuban has always been accessible and candid with the media, but he has also burned several bridges with big markets. He points out their mistakes and has even called one guy from Chicago an old kook (paraphrased of course)...not to mention his charge that NY stalwart Peter Vescey makes up his stories. Granted both of those things are true, but that doesnt matter. If you dont play the game, you dont win, and Cuban wont play the game. He'll pay for it in the media too. They'll tear his team down at any opportunity.

2) The media bags on Dallas because time in and time out they put up great numbers and have a lot of talent only to fall short come championship time. Dallas is a Jeckle and Hyde of the NBA and its a head scratcher. Perhaps this year is different but until they win it all thats how they will be viewed. Again, nothing new.

How is this any different in Phoenix? Hey, at least Dallas has been to the Finals. What have the Suns ever done against the Spurs?

5) This is a bunch of crap here, ever heard of Larry Bird? Do you really think they care that a white guy is a Super star? Gimme a break. Once Dirk gets a ring the media will be flogging him daily and then you will be whining that he never got respect blah blah blah. Thats how it works in Sports Lama, even you should know this by now.

The media will never promote Nowitzki like they do their black American athletes.

ludo21
03-22-2007, 06:10 PM
Personally, I think that Phoenix fans as a group are content to watch the show. If a championship comes, then that's just a bonus.


Ha!

havent met many real fans then have ya?

The ship is where its at!! We just believe we CAN win with this style.. It almost happend last year without Amare or Kurt.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2007, 06:14 PM
havent met many real fans then have ya?

The ship is where its at!! We just believe we CAN win with this style.. It almost happend last year without Amare or Kurt.


If getting smacked by a tired and emotionally exhausted Dallas team in 6 after barely getting past the Lakers and the Clippers in 7 game series' is "almost" then you guys have a longer way to go than you realize.


Right now, Suns fans should be more worried about getting past the Spurs in the second round than meeting up with Dallas in the Conference Finals. The Spurs should be very close to them in the final standings.

The Mavs are 5 games up on the Suns.
The Suns are 4 games up on the Spurs
The Mavs are 9 games up on the Spurs.

The Suns have never beaten the modern Spurs in the playoffs, and they dont play tough enough defense to get it done this time around. I am expecting San Antonio to win that series.

TheManeMan
03-23-2007, 12:01 PM
Personally, I think that Phoenix fans as a group are content to watch the show. If a championship comes, then that's just a bonus.


Its hard to believe that everyday you prove to be even more of a moron than the previous day...

A Bonus?!?!?!? get the f_ck outta here dude...

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2007, 01:01 AM
Here's an update:

Dallas is a full 6 games up on Phoenix.

Phoenix is only 3 games up on San Antonio.

San Antonio is 9 games behind Dallas.

If Phoenix falls behind San Antonio in the standings, it will be extremely difficult for them to beat San Antonio in the second round of the playoffs.

Dallas, on the other hand, will get the easier path to the conference finals and will get to play the survivor of San Antonio/Phoenix.

There is a very good chance that we'll see a San Antonio @ Dallas conference finals.

TheManeMan
03-26-2007, 04:06 PM
and you know deep down you rather play the spurs...cuz your FEAR Phoenix... Ha!

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2007, 05:41 PM
and you know deep down you rather play the spurs...cuz your FEAR Phoenix... Ha!


Both teams are decent, but the Mavs dont fear either of them.

This is Dallas' year.

TheManeMan
04-01-2007, 07:07 PM
Both teams are decent, but the Mavs dont fear either of them.

This is Dallas' year.

SCARED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha!

Nice showing today... Hilarious!

Northman
04-01-2007, 07:53 PM
One thing you can appreciate about the Mavs/Suns is its rapidly becoming a big rivalry in the same vein as the Lakers/Celtics of the 80's. Either one team annihilates the other or it is a nail biter in the end. I could watch these matchups all day long.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-08-2007, 06:18 AM
Suns Still Lacking

Ha ha ha! ROFL!

epicSocialism4tw
06-10-2007, 04:45 PM
Ha ha ha!

I have never been so right. :strong:

broncocalijohn
06-10-2007, 06:37 PM
I have never been so right. :strong:

Isnt it best to not bring this up again? You need to worry about your life and death team in Dallas then bring up the Suns. As I see it, Mavs got bounced in the ist round as a #1 seed and you couldnt bring up the fact that your big mouth had nothing to say about it and when it did, was a few sentences. Go back to the soccer thread where nobody cares.

azbroncfan
06-11-2007, 04:32 PM
I have never been so right. :strong:

You spinelesss soccer puke shouldn't even be responding to any NBA thread. Instead you get the mods to protect your nutless existence. No wonder no body respects you without even taking into account all of your wrong NBA predictions.