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RhymesayersDU
10-08-2006, 08:38 PM
I wanted to pose this question after two straight weeks where the Redskins were in a 4th & 1 situation and Gibbs chose to kick.

Last week against the Jags, he's got 4th & 1 at the Jags' 20. Game is tied at the 2 minute warning. He kicks the field goal, makes it, but leaves the Jags a lot of time. They come back, kick a FG, but the Skins win in OT. I realize the Skins won, but he could have won the game outright in regulation and never given the Jags the ball back. I do realize the Jags have a great run D, but still.

Today, 4th & 1, down 13 points with about a minute in the 3rd. Decides to kick a FG which they miss. Granted, he obviously thought they'd make the FG, but still, you're down by almost 2 TDs, third quarter is about to be over, why not roll the dice?

My point is this -- He's got one of the best RB's in the game, why doesn't he let him make plays? I mean, I understand conservatism, but at some point you've got to let your marquee players make plays, don't you? I mean, Clinton Portis should be able to get 1 yard against anybody in this leage, shouldn't he?

Just something to ponder. It just seems odd to me that he either is too scared to roll the dice, or doesn't have the confidence in Portis.
Man-Goblin
10-08-2006, 08:45 PM
Well, at least he wasn't running a bed and breakfast when he came back into the league...
Kaylore
10-08-2006, 08:48 PM
Al Saunders' offenses always take a good year to "get going". There will be more mishaps all season. I'm just curious how Danny boy is going to handle this. He's not a patient man.
Hercules Rockefeller
10-08-2006, 08:48 PM
He's just giving the rest of the league a false impression of this team. They'll run the table starting next week. He even sets players up on his own team to fail so that they can learn from it, he does it to Carlos Rogers occasionally. I know this because the people at ES say so.
Kaylore
10-08-2006, 08:50 PM
He's just giving the rest of the league a false impression of this team. They'll run the table starting next week. He even sets players up on his own team to fail so that they can learn from it, he does it to Carlos Rogers occasionally. I know this because the people at ES say so.

LOL
24champ
10-08-2006, 09:06 PM
Al Saunders' offenses always take a good year to "get going". There will be more mishaps all season. I'm just curious how Danny boy is going to handle this. He's not a patient man.

Im going to take a shot in the dark here and say he will probably spend a ****load of money in the offseason and continually bending over for the Broncos in trades.;D
Hercules Rockefeller
10-08-2006, 09:13 PM
The Skins win every trade with the Broncos, giving up a 3rd and a 4th for a guy that has touched the ball 5 times this year was a steal.
Paladin
10-08-2006, 09:21 PM
Well, frankly that trade is not looking as good as I thought. The Deadskins are gonna be in the mid to low teens in teh draft pool, and that means the Broncos would get there third this year and their fourth next year. Not quite as good as I had hoped, really.

OTOH, it is not a bad thing to see the Deadskins not do well......
Clockwork Orange
10-08-2006, 11:49 PM
I'd say that their biggest problem at the moment is that the guys they went out and spent a fortune on this offseason aren't earning their paychecks.

Through 5 games:

Andre Carter (6 years, $30 million), 10 tackles, 1 sack
Adam Archuleta (6 years, $30 million) 35 tackles, 1 sack
Antwan Randle El (6 years, $27 million) 14 catches, 109 yards, 1 TD
Brandon Lloyd (traded a 3rd & 4th rounder for him) 6 catches, 75 yards, 0 TD
TJ Duckett (traded a TBD package of draft picks for him) 5 carries, 24 yards

Not a single one of these guys is justifying his signing bonus/trade compensation right now.
NFLBRONCO
10-09-2006, 12:03 AM
I wonder if the best idea for Wash is not to do much in 07 and let the guys gel. Seems like they keep switching players coaches so much they get messed up. How can you get a team to come together if you keep changing players.
maven
10-09-2006, 01:43 AM
If Dan Snyder ever gets the idea of spending all his money on the OL, then maybe they'll be a legit SB contender. You could also say their D hasn't been that good this year.
WABronco
10-09-2006, 02:04 AM
The Skins win every trade with the Broncos, giving up a 3rd and a 4th for a guy that has touched the ball 5 times this year was a steal.

Lloyd, by far, was the best acquisition. You have to understand...HE CAN CATCH WITH ONE HAND.

(sarcasm)
elsid13
10-09-2006, 05:31 AM
If Dan Snyder ever gets the idea of spending all his money on the OL, then maybe they'll be a legit SB contender. You could also say their D hasn't been that good this year.

OL is pretty good. Both Tackles Jenson and Samual are beasts and Thomas is one of the best guards the league. And Dockery is big boy that is road grader at the other guard. The line isn't the problem because is one of the better units in the league.

The problem is the QB and the secondary.
Garcia Bronco
10-09-2006, 05:54 AM
The Redskins problems start and end at the QB position.
-Slap-
10-09-2006, 06:53 AM
I wanted to pose this question after two straight weeks where the Redskins were in a 4th & 1 situation and Gibbs chose to kick.

Last week against the Jags, he's got 4th & 1 at the Jags' 20. Game is tied at the 2 minute warning. He kicks the field goal, makes it, but leaves the Jags a lot of time. They come back, kick a FG, but the Skins win in OT. I realize the Skins won, but he could have won the game outright in regulation and never given the Jags the ball back. I do realize the Jags have a great run D, but still.


No offense, but going for it in that situation would be the dumbest call in NFL history.

The problem with the Redskins is Danny Snyder overpays for talent that doesn't fit together and the constant turnover on the roster make developing team chemistry all but impossible.
Man-Goblin
10-09-2006, 07:10 AM
I agree that Brunnell is a pretty big problem. His consistency level makes Jake look like steady Eddie.

Amazingly, they actually did try to address their QB situation by paying a king's ransom to acquire Jason Campbell. But if you're going to pay that high of a price to draft a QB in the first round, shouldn't he be ready to start come year two? Especially if the veteran ahead of him is stinking up the joint?

Point is, they simply have no idea how to build a team other than to throw money at it and hope to hit the jackpot.
Rascal
10-09-2006, 08:05 AM
They should bench Brunnell for Campbell.

Just like we should bench Plummer for Cutler.
bendog
10-09-2006, 08:10 AM
They should bench Brunnell for Campbell.

Just like we should bench Plummer for Cutler.

yeah, but don't they give Den more for the duckett trade if they win more games? I think they'll do whatever costs them more.
BroncoInferno
10-09-2006, 08:13 AM
They should bench Brunnell for Campbell.

Just like we should bench Plummer for Cutler.

Well, to be fair, this is year two for Campbell and he is still 3rd string. I'd think you'd at least want your 1st round QB to the have the backup job sewn up by year two.
Garcia Bronco
10-09-2006, 09:00 AM
Al Saunders' offenses always take a good year to "get going". There will be more mishaps all season. I'm just curious how Danny boy is going to handle this. He's not a patient man.

And that's their problem at this point....they change staff so frequently that the personal doesn't match the system. Which is why Jason Campbell is still on the bench despite poor Brunell play
Hogan11
10-09-2006, 10:39 AM
Actually, they should just play Todd Collins and auto destruct ASAP so I wouldn't have to watch them anymore this season.

Freakin' Redskins...I can't stand them.
RhymesayersDU
10-09-2006, 02:47 PM
No offense, but going for it in that situation would be the dumbest call in NFL history.

I simply disagree. I know a lot of people are in love with "going for it" and want teams to do so every 4th down, and I'm not one of those people. I realize the importance of having a good kicking game/special teams. But if you have one of the best running backs in the league at your disposal with one yard to go to basically seal the game, IMO you do it.
Smiling Assassin27
10-09-2006, 02:57 PM
The Redskins problems start and end at the QB position.

:thumbsup:

Cutler in DC would've been HUGE, or even Leinart. Brunell is a shell of his former self and is inconsistent as the day is long. Ramsey prolly could've done well but Gibbs ruined him the way he jerked him around.
elsid13
10-09-2006, 03:04 PM
:thumbsup:

Cutler in DC would've been HUGE, or even Leinart. Brunell is a shell of his former self and is inconsistent as the day is long. Ramsey prolly could've done well but Gibbs ruined him the way he jerked him around.

I disagree I don't think that Ramsey is a starting NFL QB, he to slow and doesn't have quick release. Danny Boy is the one who feel in love with his arm and made him a 1st round pick