OT: Little known war heros.

[watermock]

I know perfectly well where the war and politics forum is. Every time I posted it simply got buried by LABF in a flood of new threads. I never have a problem with a mod moving a thread, but most of the traffic is here.

Couple of interesting facts I found out today. I was reading a newspaper. Someone complained that Lee Marvin was buried alonside 4 star generals. Marvin wasn't just a movie star, he recieved the Medal of Valor by taking a hot spot halfway Iwo Jima before he got shot in the butt...he complained that medics were dropping around him like flies. He also commented, and I paraphrase: " His sargent stood bravely dodging shots upright so his men could get up off the beach... Sgt.Keeshan was the bravest man I have ever seen, and it wasn't the only time he stood up to help his men get some ground."

His name? Kaptain Kangaroo.

Another astounding fact: That wimp called Mr. Rogers had 25 kills in Vietnam and wore a long sleeved sweater to hide his multiple tatoos. His experience led him to become a Presbyterian minister and a pacifist. He dedicated the rest of his life to trying to help children find the right path.

Oddly, Pee Wee Herman didn't make the list. Ha!

[Northman]

So you posted it once but because no one responded it led you to post it here? Rules are rules bro.

[Crushaholic]

Some good trivia, there. Thanks, Mock...

[scorpio]

Also Mr. Rogers was never in the military.

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp

[GonzoLays]

Who cares?

[watermock]

Fred Rogers served as a sniper or as a Navy Seal during the Vietnam War, with a large number of confirmed kills to his credit.


You think it was his grandfather moron?

[watermock]

Who cares?

Some people do. You don't have to comply other than to stay out of our prison system if possible.

[GonzoLays]

Some people do. You don't have to comply other than to stay out of our prison system if possible.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/Rain_Man2.jpg

[Northman]

Some people do. You don't have to comply other than to stay out of our prison system if possible.



That was totally out of line dude.

[GonzoLays]

If you are so obsessed with war Mock, why don't you go and fight? For someone who so "patriotic" and supports our military so much, how come you never signed up for the military?

[scorpio]

You think it was his grandfather moron?

Dig a little deeper, jackoff


* Fred Rogers served as a sniper or as a Navy Seal during the Vietnam War, with a large number of confirmed kills to his credit.

This same rumor has often been applied to boyish country singer-songwriter John Denver (among others), and it's just as false when told of Fred Rogers. Not only did Fred Rogers never serve in the military, there are no gaps in his career when he could conceivably have served in the military — he went straight into college after high school, he moved directly into TV work after graduating college, and his breaks from television work were devoted to attending the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary (he was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1963) and the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Child Development. Moreover, Fred Rogers was born in 1928 and was therefore too old to have enlisted in the armed services by the time of America's military involvement in Vietnam.

[MechanicalBull]

the mr. rogers sniper bit has been going around for years and its just a myth and urban legend.

[watermock]

I was going by what I read in a reputable paper. I apologize for the misunderstaning. I don't think it is cause for insults. Obviously it was spin. Was it my fault? Apparently the author was as misled as much as I was. I was just reporting what I read from the Des Moines Register, a very respected paper.

Oh christ...I just unfolded it...it's the Armstrong jornal. That clip carefully snipped out and handed to me has made it to the trash bin.

Look...I didn't make up the story...it was presented as fact and I didn't bother to research it. Maybe the person writing the story should of...ya think? This isn't hard copy, real ink is. So excuse me to hell. Cretins that throw lies around the internet should be shot and hug by the toes. I didn't make that story up whatsoever...I was actually given a cut clipping and read it and that's what the Bimbo said.

I now doubt the Kangaroo story is legit as well. Sorry. Don't blame me. I just was just reporting what I read.

[GonzoLays]

I was going by what I read in a reputable paper. I apologize for the misunderstaning. I don't think it is cause for insults. Obviously it was spin. Was it my fault? Apparently the author was as misled as much as I was. I was just reporting what I read from the Des Moines Register, a very respected paper.

Oh christ...I just unfolded it...it's the Armstrong jornal. That clip carefully snipped out and handed to me has made it to the trash bin.

Look...I didn't make up the story...it was presented as fact and I didn't bother to research it. Maybe the person writing the story should of...ya think? This isn't hard copy, real ink is. So excuse me to hell. Cretins that throw lies around the internet should be shot and hug by the toes. I didn't make that story up whatsoever...I was actually given a cut clipping and read it and that's what the Bimbo said.

I now doubt the Kangaroo story is legit as well. Sorry. Don't blame me. I just was just reporting what I read.

It's okay, Mock. We completely understand.

[maven]

Dow reaches record high!

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=2532562

NEW YORK Oct 5, 2006 (AP)— Wall Street rose modestly Thursday, nudging the Dow Jones industrial average to its third straight record high close as investors welcomed upbeat retail sales and jobless claims figures.

The Dow closed at 11,866.69, according to preliminary calculations, surpassing the record of 11,850.61 set Wednesday. The blue chip index traded up to 11,870.06, which stands as its trading high.

Rising oil prices didn't smother investors' good mood.

"Considering the distance we've come over the last three months and certainly the last three days, it's interesting we could have a data point like oil's climb and not have the market backup much," said Arthur Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co. "It's certainly a scenario where the longer term prospects for the market are looking more positive."

Stocks pulled back briefly after Charles Plosser, the newly installed president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, signaled that further Fed interest rate hikes may be in the best interests of the economy's long-term performance.

The Dow rose 16.08, or 0.14 percent. The blue chips have gained 196.34 over the past three sessions; on Tuesday, the index shattered closing and trading highs that had stood since Jan. 24, 2000, toward the end of the dot-com boom.

Broader stock indicators were also higher Thursday. The S&P 500 index rose 3.00, or 0.22 percent, to 1,353.22, and the Nasdaq composite index rose 15.39, or 0.67 percent, to 2,306.34.

Advancing issues led decliners by roughly 2 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange.

Bonds fell as stocks wavered, with the yield on the 10-year Treasury note at 4.61 percent, up from 4.56 percent Thursday. The U.S. dollar was mostly higher against other major currencies. Gold prices rose.

Crude oil futures rose. A barrel of light crude settled at $60.03, up 62 cents in trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The day's economic news was stronger than expected, with retailers such as Target Corp., Nordstrom Inc. and Limited Brands Inc. reporting their same-store sales in September surpassed analysts forecasts. Also, the number of new unemployment claims dropped to its lowest level in 10 weeks

[maven]

Nearly 70, Jack Nicholson Remains True to Himself

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100500497.html

It's a Thursday afternoon in September, and there is a house party to plan. But first there's middle school parents' night to contend with and a teenage daughter's early adventures in driving to worry about. Our host is just back from a two-week hospital stay brought on by a savage throat infection, so even if he'd like to be out hitting golf balls, he's still in his slippers. And bouncing around somewhere is a young one who keeps calling him a name to which he cannot adjust: Gramps.

Jack Nicholson is about to turn 70.



"There's a lot of degrees to this monster," says Jack Nicholson, left, of his mobster character, Frank Costello, in "The Departed," co-starring Matt Damon. "I just wanted to make sure he was obviously corrupt in every area." (Andrew Cooper - Warner Bros.)

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The term "middle-aged" no longer applies. The man -- the man who gave us on-screen acid trips, who made a certain brand of frightening, phantasmagoric tirade his trademark, whose self-styled legend has him bedding enough beauties to satiate the menfolk of most mid-size countries -- has somehow gotten on in years, settled into a kind of humdrum domesticity. He reads. He paints. He reads. He decides he might go "give the help a hard time for an hour or so."

It's a strange thing, probably, for the actor who first seized fame as an embodiment of youthful dissonance and vigor to find himself suddenly five years out from the average-life-expectancy mark. To know that some of his contemporaries are already considering retirement communities and investing in orthopedic footwear. To realize that he is, well, old.

And yet the qualities that defined the actor's greatness, brought him from suburban New Jersey to Mulholland Drive and made him an American icon are undiluted.

These things remain: Eyebrows like protractors. Lips that snarl and twitch and sometimes vanish into a curtain of big, familiar teeth, releasing a smile with the paradoxical power to both gladden and unnerve. A relentless, piercing wit that informs every action and utterance. (The lesson of an early acting coach -- "Do the surprising thing" -- could be the title of his career.) A voice that makes each word sound as though it traveled through a hundred menthol cigarettes and a pebble-mincing food processor before reaching his tongue. A cadence that opts, as often as not, to override any hint of a pause between sentences but can stretch a single syllable into wicked crescendo.

For instance: "The dildo was aaaawwwllll Jack."

The sex toy in question is one he found himself twice inspired to carry onto the set of "The Departed," a thriller in which Nicholson plays an Irish mob boss with -- ta-da! -- a husky appetite for carnal pleasures. The film, a remake of the 2002 Hong Kong crime drama "Infernal Affairs," is noteworthy, if only for a cast that includes such names as Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin and Ray Winstone, but mostly because it marks the first professional meeting between two kings of American filmmaking, Nicholson and Martin Scorsese. (See review on Page 36.)

It is also the event that prompted Nicholson -- notoriously press hungry and open in his early years, but dramatically less so in the last decade -- to participate in a 45-minute phone interview from his Los Angeles home on the eve of the movie's release.

"We're both cinephiles so we talked movies together for 30 years. . . . You know, I visited Martin on a dozen sets. I've always been in touch with him," the actor says, by way of explaining why a collaboration between him and Scorsese was so long in coming. "This is the first time we had an occasion, really."

Which may be at least part of the truth, but it's also true that the occasion nearly didn't present itself. Nicholson, who has collected three Oscars, for performances in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (1975), "Terms of Endearment" (1983) and "As Good as It Gets" (1997), turned down the role of Frank Costello when it was first offered, insisting the character was too flat. (Playing hard to get with industry suits is an old trick of Nicholson's, usually to the boon of his bank account, though he has, on occasion, protested to the point of regret. In 1974, Robert Redford was all too happy to nab the title role in "The Great Gatsby" after Nicholson took a pass.)

Goading from DiCaprio, whom he calls a friend, and an agreement with Scorsese that together they would reassemble the mobster into a richer, more layered character persuaded Nicholson to take the part. In the end, Nicholson came to consider Costello "the embodiment of evil," a man who holds nothing sacred as he engages in a cat-and-mouse game with Boston police officials and the mole hidden within his own ranks.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The following baseball players did serve in combat during WWII during the middle of their careers,
Bob Feller
Hank Greenberg
Stan Musial
Enos Slaughter
Joe DiMaggio
Phil Rizzuto
Ted Williams
Johnny Pesky
Johnny Mize
Johnny Sain
Warren Spahn
Bob Lemon
Charlie Gehringer
Pee Wee Reese
And Boxer Gene Tunney

[maven]

Oil rebounds on reports Opec may reduce output

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BT/Friday/Corporate/20061006013956/Article/

NEW YORK: Oil prices jumped back above US$60 (US$1 = RM3.69) a barrel yesterday following reports that Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, (Opec) aims to reduce its output by one million barrels a day (bpd).



Dow Jones Newswires, citing a governor of Opec said ministers have agreed to the cut, which includes 300,000 bpd from Saudi Arabia, effective as soon as possible.


Opec president Edmund Daukoru, who is also Nigeria’s oil minister, said the group was considering holding an emergency meeting before its scheduled December conference.


Light sweet crude for November delivery rose 64 US cents to US$60.05 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, while in London’s ICE Futures exchange, November Brent crude rose US$1.15 to US$60.37 a barrel.


Prices briefly fell to a fresh seven-month low on Wednesday after US government data showed rising inventories of crude, petrol and heating oil — and following comments from Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the US that suggested no formal Opec cut was imminent.


But news of violence in Nigeria’s oil-rich south-eastern delta brought buyers back into the market.


“Geopolitical sentiment has contributed to breaking the recent slide and the Opec release appears to have finally ended the bear run for the time being,” said Paul Harris, energy analyst at Bank of Ireland Global Markets in Dublin.


Nigeria’s light, sweet crude oil is particularly desirable for the production of transportation fuels and any loss of output has the potential to spook the market.


An unsourced Financial Times report yesterday said Opec has informally agreed to cut output by 4 per cent in coming weeks to defend the US$50 to US$55-per-barrel price range.


Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the US said Wednesday that he did not expect Opec to hold an emergency meeting to discuss prices ahead of its scheduled December 14 meeting in Nigeria. Prince Turki said Saudi Arabia’s intention was to “bring down prices to reasonable levels”. — AP

[Taco John]

There is a forum for this. If it gets buried, it gets buried.

THE MAIN DISCUSSION FORUM IS FOR NFL TOPICS, NOT WAR AND POLITICS TOPICS

Please quit posting things in the wrong forum. I can understand breaking news and huge events like school shootings. But Mister Rogers?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you are so obsessed with war Mock, why don't you go and fight? For someone who so "patriotic" and supports our military so much, how come you never signed up for the military?

:thumbsup: ^5

Another republican chickenhawk.

[watermock]

Did anyone notice gas prices dropping from 3.02 to 2.19 orther than me?

Gas prices fall by 1/3 and there is literally not a mention of it but in passing.

If we insult some Mullah they can cut our improts.

The Soviet Union/Russia has been historically negligent on safety on their powerplants, subs and military carriers. It's almost always operator error. We can make plants that are INCAPABLE of melting down.

I simply cannot believe we haven't used some bunker busters on Iran's nuclear plant. You think the Russians were incompetent?

"Red lights are flashing...everything in French and Russian..."

"Call the Americans"

We should of hammered Iranian nuclear sites into dust months ago.

[watermock]

If it gets buried, it gets buried.


The point is it's buried on purpose. I have witnessed LABF start 12 threads within a few minutes to push a post to the second page. It's not important, just move the threat. The fact is that few people even go to that room because it's so polluted.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:alky: :mullet2:

[bendog]

1. But why are prices falling? demand is falling? speculation falling? who's speculating?

2. And I know Mr. Greenjeans smoked herb.

[Spider]

Who cares?

Who Cares ? you should thats who , doesnt matter if you like Mock or not ,War Heros deserve the respect they have earned .........

[fido]

Who Cares ? you should thats who , doesnt matter if you like Mock or not ,War Heros deserve the respect they have earned .........

absolutely, otoh, getting to be a war hero means that you were in the wrong place at the right time, or vice versa. don't know about others here, but as for me, adrenaline high and when the crap is over, you start to shake. at least I did. and for the most part, war heroes rever their country.

audie murphy
lee marvin

[defenseman]

Who Cares ? you should thats who , doesnt matter if you like Mock or not ,War Heros deserve the respect they have earned .........

Good take spide...Dman