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Rock Chalk
10-05-2006, 01:08 PM
Cant post the link since its ESPN insider but they do the matchups and a couple of things I thought interesting...
QB edge Baltimore. (Even if you ask me)
RB edge Denver (yes)
WR edge Denver (yes)
OL edge Denver (yes)
DL edge Baltimore (yes)
LB Even (Yes) (interesting since Ray Ray gets all that hype, that they call it even)
DB edge Baltimore (no)
ST edge Baltimore (yes)
Coach Edge Denver (yes)
Overall edge Denver (yes)
----------------------------------------END ESPN Insider stuff----------------------------
I think we got the edge in DB. They got McCallister and Reed true, but we got Champ and Williams whom (regardless of Mediator's rantings) is touted as one of the best young CBs in the league, plus Lynch and Ferguson while not heralded as great safeties, are very good. Both can stop the run extremely well and Ferguson has played remarkably well in pass coverages this year. Once again< TEs do not fare well against Denver, I do not expect that to change.
First, take the under. At 33.5 its not going to get close to that. The top two red zone defenses are taking the field this Monday Night. Both are top 5 in points allowed and both are top 5 in third down defense.
We might be able to generate good pressure since their starting LG is out for the season now and our DTs are playing pretty well. Chukwurah off the edges should be able to create some trouble for McNair. If we can find a way to sneak DJ and Gold off the edges in on some third and long blitzes I think we have a really good chance at causing McNair to go Plummer on us - in a bad way.
If our Defense plays up to par we wont abandon our run game no matter how lackluster it looks against that very stout run defense of Baltimore's. We will rarely go 3 straight pass attempts in a single series, but may go three or four in a row on consecutive series if its working and we find a mismatch. I think Sheffler who has gotten a lot of one on one instruction this past week, is going to be a huge part of the gameplan in some fashion to exploit some mismatch Shanny might have seen. McCallister looks to be on Javon which will give Rod and Kircus some breathing room to move the sticks.
I think we keep them out of the end zone and only give up a couple of FGs in thsi game. Meanwhile I think we will find a way to get in the endzone and top it off with a couple of FGs.
My prediction: 13-6 Denver.
BigAl56
10-05-2006, 01:37 PM
Thank you so much for your genius opinion, you are definitely on the hall of fame level of coaches.
Hotrod
10-05-2006, 01:42 PM
Bwhahahahaha duck
Rock Chalk
10-05-2006, 01:46 PM
Intriguing hotrod. You almost tempted me to View Post.
Hotrod
10-05-2006, 01:47 PM
Intriguing hotrod. You almost tempted me to View Post.
LOL prolly better off for the whole board.
Billy Clyde Puckett
10-05-2006, 02:16 PM
Yea - Alec never would let anyone get away with saying something like that if he saw it. ;D
OrangeShadow
10-05-2006, 02:29 PM
DB edge even (YES)
Rock Chalk
10-05-2006, 02:34 PM
DB edge even (YES)
Thats what I thought. Should be even but the "Insiders" thought it was Balimore's edge.
elsid13
10-05-2006, 03:18 PM
I think I would give the edge to Baltimore in the backfield based on experience. They have Rolle and Chris McAlister both very good veteran CB. Reed is the best Safety in the league.
Champ is better then either Raven CB, but the same can not be said of either DWill or Foxworth. Both have talent but are relatively inexperience compare Chris Mac and Rolle.
Hotrod
10-05-2006, 03:30 PM
I think I would give the edge to Baltimore in the backfield based on experience. They have Rolle and Chris McAlister both very good veteran CB. Reed is the best Safety in the league.
Champ is better then either Raven CB, but the same can not be said of either DWill or Foxworth. Both have talent but are relatively inexperience compare Chris Mac and Rolle.
I concur
Kaylore
10-05-2006, 03:46 PM
Great post Alec!
You know I finally watched the tivo'd Ravens/Chargers game and let me say right now that Ray Lewis sucks. He was blocked on just about every play, he falls down on most plays and is immediately eliminated from any kind of pursuit and on four different occations he jumped onto alreay tackled players and jumped around like he made the catch. I was surprised he wasn't called for an UR penalty. I coverage he didn't look all that impressive either. I under stand that Lorenzo Neal is a great fullback and so that has something to do with it, but the guy was being blocked on most plays. I couldn't get over how many times he fell down, either. Other guys were blocked but they kept their feet enough to break out and make tackles at least.
Ray Lewis is not the guy we need to worry about. Their other linebackers are better tackler's, and their edge rusher's are good.
Their interior line is crap. The Chargers used a series of Cut blocks to neutralize their bull rush eearly on and after that they were getting six, seven yards right up the gut. It was cake. They just went right up inside and the safeties were making a lot of tackles that game. The problem is Marty played Marty ball and he'd rush twice for rour yards a run and then on third and short, they would blitz the snot out of Rivers and he couldn't handle it. Plummer will be able to.
On their secondary, Ed Reed was out of possition on a couple of plays and still takes poor angles. I know people say "OMG he 1n73rce9ts teh 8@Ll though!!!!111" Well he's a bit overrated.
My point is that the 4-3, especially against their interior line, will allow us to make some nice runs and we all know how that opens things up. I hope that Mike Bell gets a bit more work since we'll need a more pound-it back to get the nasty yards. Bottom line is I wasn't impressed with the Ravens last Sunday...at home, no less.
Hotrod
10-05-2006, 03:51 PM
Great post Alec!
. I know people say "OMG he 1n73rce9ts teh 8@Ll though!!!!111"
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LOL that cracked me up Hilarious!
2KBack
10-05-2006, 03:53 PM
I still don't think Denver has the edge in RB. Hell Tatum couldn't beat out Mike anderson, and he's a backup in baltimore.
elsid13
10-05-2006, 03:55 PM
I still don't think Denver has the edge in RB. Hell Tatum couldn't beat out Mike anderson, and he's a backup in baltimore.
Anderson is a back-up to the back-up. Musa Smith is the one getting the carries in the two hole now
watermock
10-05-2006, 03:56 PM
The love affair with ESPN over Ray Ray is only surpassed by Brett Favre.
brncs_fan
10-05-2006, 03:56 PM
"OMG he 1n73rce9ts teh 8@Ll though!!!!111" Well he's a bit overrated.
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that I had to read this 6 times before I knew what you were saying?
MechanicalBull
10-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that I had to read this 6 times before I knew what you were saying?
I think it's a bad thing that I knew exactly what he was saying the first time i read it. Man I freakin hate internet language :rofl:
loborugger
10-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Ray Lewis is not the guy we need to worry about. Their other linebackers are better tackler's, and their edge rusher's are good.
That Bart Scott dude looks like the real deal. I wonder how long it will be before he displaces Ray Ray as the man in B-more.
Also, did you see Scott running back the Int? At one point he was running next to Ray Ray. Scott looks like a safety next to him, like a good 20 or 30 lbs lighter.
Also, that TD that SD got was from a corner TOTALLY biting on the pump - and getting no secondary help (from Reed). With any luck, we can exploit that also.
I like our chances. As I said before the season started, there isnt a game on the schedule that I looked at and said, "Wow, no way we can win that game." This will be tough, cuz the Ravens seem to have our #, but we have the talent to win at home on Monday nite.
DeusExManning
10-05-2006, 05:13 PM
That Bart Scott dude looks like the real deal. I wonder how long it will be before he displaces Ray Ray as the man in B-more.
Also, did you see Scott running back the Int? At one point he was running next to Ray Ray. Scott looks like a safety next to him, like a good 20 or 30 lbs lighter.
Also, that TD that SD got was from a corner TOTALLY biting on the pump - and getting no secondary help (from Reed). With any luck, we can exploit that also.
I like our chances. As I said before the season started, there isnt a game on the schedule that I looked at and said, "Wow, no way we can win that game." This will be tough, cuz the Ravens seem to have our #, but we have the talent to win at home on Monday nite.
Bart Scott has been a monster this year. 5 sacks, 1 interception, 5 passes defensed.
elsid13
10-05-2006, 05:17 PM
Bart Scott has been a monster this year. 5 sacks, 1 interception, 5 passes defensed.
Right now Scott is the best LB on that team. The only ones hyping RayRay are the ESPN crew and RAYRAY himself
Rock Chalk
10-05-2006, 06:20 PM
I think I would give the edge to Baltimore in the backfield based on experience. They have Rolle and Chris McAlister both very good veteran CB. Reed is the best Safety in the league.
Champ is better then either Raven CB, but the same can not be said of either DWill or Foxworth. Both have talent but are relatively inexperience compare Chris Mac and Rolle.
Three or four years ago, Id have agreed with you on Rolle, when he was a Titan he was one of the best CBs in the game but he is long past those days.
I think he is about on par with D Will or Foxworth. His experience helps him but he no longer has the ability that Williams has, maybe has Foxworth's abilities.
elsid13
10-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Three or four years ago, Id have agreed with you on Rolle, when he was a Titan he was one of the best CBs in the game but he is long past those days.
I think he is about on par with D Will or Foxworth. His experience helps him but he no longer has the ability that Williams has, maybe has Foxworth's abilities.
Rolle isn't what he once was but he is having a good year. The Baltimore corners seem to get suckered a lot with the double moves and biting on pump fake, so hopefully Plummer can take advantage of that.
Hotrod
10-06-2006, 07:14 AM
Rolle isn't what he once was but he is having a good year. The Baltimore corners seem to get suckered a lot with the double moves and biting on pump fake, so hopefully Plummer can take advantage of that.
I have not watched them much this year but if this is true....Id have to say its prolly because they are used to the rush getting at the QB quick and forcing alot of quick short throws. If somehow we can protect Plummer there maybe something down the field this game.
elsid13
10-06-2006, 07:23 AM
I have not watched them much this year but if this is true....Id have to say its prolly because they are used to the rush getting at the QB quick and forcing alot of quick short throws. If somehow we can protect Plummer there maybe something down the field this game.
I work with some die hard Raven fan- nice bet going for this Monday- and he the one that pointed that out to me. He actually calls Chris Mac the dumbest SOB in the game. It pump fakes and the double moves are what Frye and Rivers were successfully throwing against them. Also
Landy is rookie Safety and is having trouble defending over the top. Reed is playing close to the line to stop the run.
ludo21
10-06-2006, 07:52 AM
agreed Elsid. That TD pass last game was a very pretty double move that Chris just fell down on. LOL
Walker should be able to do the same, we just gotta protect the QB.
watermock
10-06-2006, 07:58 AM
I hate that team. San Diego had them beaten to a pulp and let up with Dan Reevesesque Martyball.
I can only imagine the angst on the main Chargers board. That game was absolutely banked and somehow they managed to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Expect Nalen to use every dirty trick in the book on Ray Ray. I have the full expectation that this game is going to be one ugly affair. There is certainly no love lost here. A win would give up another tie breaker.
It's criminal to look past each week, but you know damn well that Shanahan is allready studying Manning for an inevitable showdown with Pretty Boy Manning on the eve of all hallows eve. Donning pumpkin heads can wait a few weeks.
This season seems like it's flying by.
elsid13
10-06-2006, 07:58 AM
the other thing I would Denver to do this week, is start the game in 3 WR look with Rod playing in the slot. That should spread the Raven D out and open the running lanes for the Bells and give Rod the advantage of working against Raven nickleback.
Mile High Shack
10-06-2006, 07:59 AM
until we show we can beat Bmore when they are healthy
I can't pick us
Rock Chalk
10-06-2006, 08:09 AM
until we show we can beat Bmore when they are healthy
I can't pick us
There's a shocker, you never pick us.
Mile High Shack
10-06-2006, 08:26 AM
There's a shocker, you never pick us.
I did in week #1 and look what happened
I have to do my reverse mojo
although in this case, I can't even deep down think Broncos will win
for some reason the Ravens are in our heads, much like we are in the Patriots head
This game is all going to come down to whether we can effectively run the ball with Tiny Tatum and if we can get a few big plays in the passing game with Walker, Smith and Scheffler. Then it is up to our defense.
This is a season changing game. IF we can exercise these demons, I feel pretty good about going into Pittsburgh and having Indy at home, we could reel off some huge wins heading into KC at the end of November and facing SD twice in a month. HUGE for us.
fontaine
10-06-2006, 10:36 AM
Anybody else get the feeling the reason why we've seen Mike Bell's carries drop off is that there's more to his finger injury than they're letting on?
Rock Chalk
10-06-2006, 10:39 AM
Anybody else get the feeling the reason why we've seen Mike Bell's carries drop off is that there's more to his finger injury than they're letting on?
No.
fontaine
10-06-2006, 10:43 AM
No.
Ok, anybody other than this smart alec?
:)
elsid13
10-06-2006, 10:46 AM
Ok, anybody other than this smart alec?
:)
I expect we will see more carries this week from Mike Bell.
Rock Chalk
10-06-2006, 11:01 AM
Ok, anybody other than this smart alec?
:)
I think that Mike Bells carries dropped off because he is not as good as Tatum and that became clear by the second week of the season.
Mile High Shack
10-06-2006, 11:42 AM
I think that Mike Bells carries dropped off because he is not as good as Tatum and that became clear by the second week of the season.
BINGO :wiggle:
MechanicalBull
10-06-2006, 02:08 PM
espn's picks, a little bit of a suprise.
<TABLE id=inlinetable><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#ffffff font="arial"><TD align=middle>BAL @ DEN
Mon 8:30PM</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>Doesn't Pick</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#ffffff font="arial"><TD align=middle>Last Week</TD><TD align=middle>Theismann
6-7</TD><TD align=middle>Salisbury
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Hoge
8-6</TD><TD align=middle>Jaworski
11-3</TD><TD align=middle>Schlereth
10-4</TD><TD align=middle>Allen
7-7</TD><TD align=middle>Mortensen
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Golic
10-4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Billy Clyde Puckett
10-06-2006, 02:13 PM
espn's picks, a little bit of a suprise.
<TABLE id=inlinetable><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#ffffff font="arial"><TD align=middle>BAL @ DEN
Mon 8:30PM</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>Doesn't Pick</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#ffffff font="arial"><TD align=middle>Last Week</TD><TD align=middle>Theezman
6-7</TD><TD align=middle>Salisbury
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Hoge
8-6</TD><TD align=middle>Jaworski
11-3</TD><TD align=middle>Schlereth
10-4</TD><TD align=middle>Allen
7-7</TD><TD align=middle>Mortensen
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Golic
10-4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Fixed it for you ;D
espn's picks, a little bit of a suprise.
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Mon 8:30PM</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>Doesn't Pick</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>http://espn-ak.starwave.com/nfl/gamepackage/i/logos/statLogo_den.gif</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#ffffff font="arial"><TD align=middle>Last Week</TD><TD align=middle>Theismann
6-7</TD><TD align=middle>Salisbury
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Hoge
8-6</TD><TD align=middle>Jaworski
11-3</TD><TD align=middle>Schlereth
10-4</TD><TD align=middle>Allen
7-7</TD><TD align=middle>Mortensen
9-5</TD><TD align=middle>Golic
10-4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
:nono: the kiss of death
maven
10-06-2006, 02:25 PM
I dunno about some of you guys, but I've been looking forward to this game more than the previous three.
crowebomber
10-06-2006, 02:45 PM
The whole Monday night thing scares me because it seems like every Monday night game Denver comes out kinda nervous and caught up in the hype and it takes a quarter or so for us to settle down and play our game. When it's a Monday night gig, it seems like our home field advantage (being comfortable and relaxed in our house) is negated by all the hype - at least for a quarter or so.
Rock Chalk
10-06-2006, 05:01 PM
:nono: the kiss of death
Not really.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent?week=2&seasontype=2
We got unanimous picks and won.
Of course, then you have things like this...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent?week=1&seasontype=2
Rock Chalk
10-06-2006, 06:36 PM
I dunno about some of you guys, but I've been looking forward to this game more than the previous three.
I cant say the same. I was looking forward to the KC game. Kinda boring game it turned out to be, but it was an historical game at least. First time in the series neither team scored a TD. That might never happen again.
Kaylore
10-06-2006, 06:53 PM
I think we'll win this win. We could lose, but there are a lot of things in our favor:
1. I like our defense agains their offense. I think we'll have no trouble shutting them down.
2. I think we have the tools to rush the ball up the gut. Their interior line is week and Ray Lewis isn't playing well.
3. Our offense is starting to come together. We'll see a better offense this Monday as more players will be on the same page and Jake and Javon are finally building chemistry.
Intagibles:
1. We're coming off of a bye. We'll be rested, healthy and have had time to prepare.
2. Shanahan usually wins games with more than a week of preparation and is undefeated at home in such games. One of those wins was the Ravens.
3. The Ravens are coming off of an emotional win at home and two that they squeezed out at the last minute. It's generally harder to try and summon that kind of emotion three weeks in a row, even if it is Moday night. We'll be getting a less angry Ravens team.
4. A lot of teams are talking them up right now and telling them they're good. That can spell disaster if you start listening to it. I hope they believe the hype because it is usually at that point that you fall on your face.
5. If we win, this will be Mike's tenth Monday Night Football win. I hope the guys come out motivated to earn their coach a milestone.
6. We're at home. 'nough said. ;)
24champ
10-06-2006, 06:59 PM
We also never lost a game playing on October 9th. 5-0 baby!
I give our DB's a slight edge. Reed is not a DB as somebody mentioned. Mac is a force but doesn't have the ball instincts that Champ has. The other side is a wash. Rolle is physical but he gets burned alot too, he gambles. Williams is a better cover guy the Rolle but is not as physical.
Natedogg
10-07-2006, 03:26 PM
I think the Ravens DBs have a slight edge. In my opinion, Foxworth and Dwill have not proven very much at all this season. This might be the week it changes, though. I smell a pick6.
This game is going to be great. If its a defensive struggle like I think and hope it will be, the winner has "best D in the AFC" bragging rights. This is a spotlight game and it is time for Denver's D to shine.
I think that special teams will be the crux. If we have another pisspoor performance we will probably lose. Hopefully, Dwill can break a few returns longer than 10 yards.
I like Denver 17-9.
DB-Freak
10-07-2006, 03:53 PM
D-will has been terrible this year.
But the D has been holding up so far.
I just hope they can abuse the RAven O.
DB-Freak
10-07-2006, 03:55 PM
I give our DB's a slight edge. Reed is not a DB as somebody mentioned.
what??
Where did you learn about football man?
No1BroncoFan
10-07-2006, 03:59 PM
for some reason the Ravens are in our heads, much like we are in the Patriots head
Bullsh*t. They're the freaking Baltimore Browns.
Ben
snowspot66
10-07-2006, 04:21 PM
They're in the fans heads, not the players. Regular season record against the Raves is 2-3. A lot of hard fought defensive games in that set. Not the total domination like Broncos vs. Pats these past few years.
Hulamau
10-07-2006, 04:36 PM
I hate that team. San Diego had them beaten to a pulp and let up with Dan Reevesesque Martyball.
I can only imagine the angst on the main Chargers board. That game was absolutely banked and somehow they managed to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Expect Nalen to use every dirty trick in the book on Ray Ray. I have the full expectation that this game is going to be one ugly affair. There is certainly no love lost here. A win would give up another tie breaker.
It's criminal to look past each week, but you know damn well that Shanahan is allready studying Manning for an inevitable showdown with Pretty Boy Manning on the eve of all hallows eve. Donning pumpkin heads can wait a few weeks.
This season seems like it's flying by.
That was a disgusting choke job to witness. Marty literally threw the game away by taking the ball out of River's hands and going prevent whimp out!
The only redeeming thing out of the whole game was the fact that San Diego lost and Todd Heap scored the last TD for two of my FF teams.
I bet we INT McNair at least 3 times this game. .. I dislike the Raven's more than any other NFL team.
This is the year we put that Raven curse over us to bed for good!
Cito Pelon
10-08-2006, 10:14 AM
They're in the fans heads, not the players. Regular season record against the Raves is 2-3. A lot of hard fought defensive games in that set. Not the total domination like Broncos vs. Pats these past few years.
Agreed. Denver looks like a very solid team on O and D this year. The team looks very confident. I expect the team to be 3-1 come Tuesday.