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alkemical
10-05-2006, 11:33 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061004/ap_on_go_pr_wh/domestic_spying


CINCINNATI - The Bush administration can continue its warrantless surveillance program while it appeals a judge's ruling that the program is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.



The president has said the program is needed in the war on terrorism; opponents argue it oversteps constitutional boundaries on free speech, privacy and executive powers.

The unanimous ruling from a three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals gave little explanation for the decision. In the three-paragraph ruling, judges said that they balanced the likelihood an appeal would succeed, the potential damage to both sides and the public interest.

U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit ruled Aug. 17 that the program was unconstitutional because it violates the rights to free speech and privacy and the separation of powers in the Constitution.

The Justice Department had urged the appeals court to allow it to keep the program in place while it argues its appeal, claiming that the nation faced "potential irreparable harm." The appeal is likely to take months.

"The country will be more vulnerable to a terrorist attack," the government motion said.

The program monitors international phone calls and e-mails to or from the United States involving people the government suspects have terrorist links. A secret court has been set up to grant warrants for such surveillance, but the government says it can't always wait for a court to take action.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit seeking to stop the program on behalf of journalists, scholars and lawyers who say it has made it difficult for them to do their jobs because they believe many of their overseas contacts are likely targets. Many said they had been forced to take expensive and time-consuming overseas trips because their contacts wouldn't speak openly on the phone or because they didn't want to violate their contacts' confidentiality.

Similar lawsuits challenging the program have been filed by other groups, including in New York and San Francisco. The issue could wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court.

alkemical
10-05-2006, 11:38 AM
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?alertid=9014956

HR 4239 Could Label You as a Terrorist If you expose a wrong doer who is abusing animals


"If HR 4239 becomes law, anyone who causes an animal industry to lose 10,000 in revenues by exposing their abusive practices could be fined, jailed and labeled a terrorist. This bill contains vague wording that purposely has been proposed to stop those who would speak up for the animals from being able to freely do so. It is a violation of our first amendment and yet all of your Senators passed it by Unanimous Consent and a dozen Representatives have signed up as co-sponsors."



http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4239

109th U.S. Congress (2005-2006)
H.R. 4239: Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act
Introduced: Nov 4, 2005
Sponsor: Rep. Thomas Petri [R-WI]
Status: Introduced (By Rep. Thomas Petri [R-WI])

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alkemical
10-05-2006, 11:42 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is a bill (Number S.3930[1]) awaiting the President's signature, having passed the Senate, 65-34,[2] and the House, 250-170-12.[3] Among its provisions, the bill supports the formerly secret CIA interrogation program and suspends the writ of habeas corpus for detainees. An amendment by Arlen Specter (R-PA) and Patrick Leahy (D-VT) preserving habeas corpus was rejected by a vote of 51-48. Specter voted against his own amendment.

baja
10-05-2006, 11:47 AM
On a recent flight from Mexico to Salt Lake City Utah I was walking to clear customs. I flew first class and was the first person off the plane. There was a customs officer walking beside me so i struck up a conversation with him. We talked while we walked to the front of the empty line up area. We got to the booth and he asked me for my pass port still talking and friendly. As soon as he scanned my pass port the color drained from his face and he got very formal saying I must get my luggage and go to secondary. I asked him what he saw on his screen and what was this all about (He had taken about 2 minutes to read whatever it was that came up on the screen. He responded, just do what I said. I did and went to secondary with my luggage well they went through my 2 bags with a fine tooth comb. I repeatedly asked what was this about they never would tell me but clearly my passport was flagged for some reason and they refused to tell me the reason for the odd treatment. I had a connecting flight to make or I would have demanded to see a supervisor. The US under the guise of terrorism is becoming a police state. I did not mind the precaution but I felt I had the right to know what was written about me when the passport was scanned

TailgateNut
10-05-2006, 12:13 PM
On a recent flight from Mexico to Salt Lake City Utah I was walking to clear customs. I flew first class and was the first person off the plane. There was a customs officer walking beside me so i struck up a conversation with him. We talked while we walked to the front of the empty line up area. We got to the booth and he asked me for my pass port still talking and friendly. As soon as he scanned my pass port the color drained from his face and he got very formal saying I must get my luggage and go to secondary. I asked him what he saw on his screen and what was this all about (He had taken about 2 minutes to read whatever it was that came up on the screen. He responded, just do what I said. I did and went to secondary with my luggage well they went through my 2 bags with a fine tooth comb. I repeatedly asked what was this about they never would tell me but clearly my passport was flagged for some reason and they refused to tell me the reason for the odd treatment. I had a connecting flight to make or I would have demanded to see a supervisor. The US under the guise of terrorism is becoming a police state. I did not mind the precaution but I felt I had the right to know what was written about me when the passport was scanned


The right to know has just flown the coop!

alkemical
10-05-2006, 12:14 PM
Interesting Baja,

this is the type of stuff that albiet "amesj523" has seen - but knew that telling people did no good - since they all listed it under 'paranoia' - but when does paranioa benifit? It can when it senses that something is wrong, learning to control it so it doesn't lead to self delusions is what i learned.

Part of me does not want to leave this country - because i want to save it.

But another part of me is trying to save some cash and open up an account overseas with some euro's incase things get hairy.

alkemical
10-06-2006, 11:15 AM
last bump for the thread.

freak6
10-06-2006, 11:50 AM
Habeas Corpus est Morte.