Foster vs. Pryce???

[cmhargrove]

If you were Shanny, what would you do here? (Article taken from Rocky Mountain News)

MATCH GAME

Broncos right tackle George Foster vs. Ravens defensive end Trevor Pryce

In reality, most of the Broncos' offensive linemen will get a shot at Pryce in the course of the game.

At various times Sunday against San Diego, Pryce lined up in both defensive end spots as well as both defensive tackle spots. But he spent most of the day at left defensive end, which would put him across from Foster

After spending nine years with the Broncos, Pryce knows well what Denver does up front as well as how the team's offensive linemen usually deal with various pass-rush moves.

That leaves little room for error for Foster, who gets in trouble from time to time when he doesn't maintain his footwork.

The Ravens also, at least against San Diego, often put a linebacker on Pryce's outside shoulder for a blitz, including inside linebacker Ray Lewis from time to time.

[Man-Goblin]

Put in my adopt-a-Bronco, Adam Meadows, of course.

Although, it is a pretty big game, so Pryce will probably disappear anyway.

[ol number 7]

Put in my adopt-a-Bronco, Adam Meadows, of course.

Although, it is a pretty big game, so Pryce will probably disappear anyway.

Meadows nuff said.:thumbs:

[Mile High Shack]

what would I do if I were Shanny???

draft a new RT and bench the scrub

Pryce is going to kill Foster

[bronco militia]

Foster has trouble with speed guys...he'll probably do just fine against Pryce.

[Rascal]

Foster has trouble with speed guys...he'll probably do just fine against Pryce.

Explain Ty Warren owning his ass then please.

Thanks :)

[bronco militia]

Explain Ty Warren owning his ass then please.

Thanks :)


unless of course he's using the 'ole' technique Ha! :clown:

[Man-Goblin]

unless of course he's using the 'ole' technique Ha! :clown:

Lou Brown: Come on Dorn, get in front of the damn ball! Don't give me this "ole" bull****! ...

[Bronx33]

Foster is not very fast so him getting up outa his stance will be critical, if he does that he will be fine.

[ludo21]

I thunk Foster will do fine. At least I hope he does.

If he cant mantain his job, then id imagine shanny would pull him.

[bronco militia]

Lou Brown: Come on Dorn, get in front of the damn ball! Don't give me this "ole" bull****! ...

ha ha

[Taco John]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?

[Atlas]

Foster will be fine against Pryce. He would have a harder time blocking one of the Ravens LBers than Pryce.

[GonzoLays]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster?

Oh, I don't know, because George Foster might be the worst starting offensive tackle in football? Yea, that's it.

I guarantee you, if Meadows had not signed late, missed most of the preseason he would have been starting at RT. (not to mention being out football for two years too.)

If the undrafted super sucktastic Cornell Green can steal snaps away from George Foster, there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year.

[Atlas]

Oh, I don't know, because George Foster might be the worst starting offensive tackle in football? Yea, that's it.

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That is so not even true.

[GonzoLays]

If he cant mantain his job, then id imagine shanny would pull him.

For who? The undrafted practice squad vet Erik Pears? Or how about a guy who was hasn't taken a football snap in two years because he has been building houses and on top of that missed the majority of training camp and preseason?

He simply doesn't have anyone to replace the terrible George Foster with. Give Meadows about three more weeks so he can get in football shape. By then, he will probably take Foster's spot.

[Taco John]

Oh, I don't know, because George Foster might be the worst starting offensive tackle in football? Yea, that's it.

I guarantee you, if Meadows had not signed late, missed most of the preseason he would have been starting at RT. (not to mention being out football for two years too.)

If the undrafted super sucktastic Cornell Green can steal snaps away from George Foster, there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year.


LOL You're so full of it...

How about a wager... I'll bet you $50 that George Foster will keep his starting job all season long, barring injury, and another $50 that Foster will be a starter next season to boot.

I could use some free, easy money from dumbassed prognosticators who talk more than they know.

[Hotrod]

The ratbirds will give us matchup problems all across the line. Denver will be running alot of mulit TE sets and max protect all night

Denver 9
Ratbirds 6

[Hotrod]

LOL You're so full of it...

How about a wager... I'll bet you $50 that George Foster will keep his starting job all season long, barring injury, and another $50 that Foster will be a starter next season to boot.

I dont know boss Gonzo thinks Jordan Black is a better tackle then foster Ha!

[GonzoLays]

LOL You're so full of it...

How about a wager... I'll bet you $50 that George Foster will keep his starting job all season long, barring injury, and another $50 that Foster will be a starter next season to boot.

I could use some free, easy money from dumbassed prognosticators who talk more than they know.

You are on for next season. This season, I can't put money on guy who was building houses two months ago.

[Taco John]

I dont know boss Gonzo thinks Jordan Black is a better tackle then foster Ha!


Gonzo also thinks that he's some sort of football genius.

[Taco John]

You are on for next season. This season, I can't put money on guy who was building houses two months ago.

For next season then... It's a deal...

For the second part then, it goes like this: "You're right TJ. There's no reason for anyone to believe that Adam Meadows would be better than Foster. The coaches probably know what they're doing here."

[GonzoLays]

I could use some free, easy money from dumbassed prognosticators who talk more than they know.

Hahha, this coming from the fool who picked Detroit to make the playoffs.

[Traveler]

I'll stick with the following:

Pryce will be "noticable" in this game. Most of the players that left or were traded or cut from the team have come come to haunt us in someway or another.

My hope is that Shanahan and the team will again somehow find a way to handle the phyicality of the Ravens and win the game.

[Taco John]

Hahha, this coming from the fool who picked Detroit to make the playoffs.

I don't remember picking Detroit for the playoffs. But in the watered down NFC, who knows...

[watermock]

We all know that Foster is your adopted boy, but he's been substandard ever since he stepped on the field.

[orinjkrush]

gonna be ugly. real ugly.
unless.....a frickin miracle happens.

[GonzoLays]

LOL You're so full of it...

How about a wager... I'll bet you $50 that George Foster will keep his starting job all season long, barring injury, and another $50 that Foster will be a starter next season to boot.

I could use some free, easy money from dumbassed prognosticators who talk more than they know.

Okay, here is the deal:

If Foster starts all 16 games next season, I owe you 50 bones.

If Foster does not start atleast one game next season due to performance(not injury), you owe me 50 bones.

Now, if Foster has a minor boo-boo and is listed as probable or better, and for some reason is benched, that does not count as an injury.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Trevor who?

Oh the guy who in his last 3 years in Denver was on the downhill portion of his career against our weakest O-Lineman. I think this could be a game where Foster owns someone, simply because since Pryce played here, the line knows how he moves and his tendencies, plus the fact that he is near the end of his career means he is weaker anyway.

[Man-Goblin]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?

I think Foster is fine, and in fact, I would wager that Pryce doesn't even sniff a sack on Monday. Not necessarily because of Foster, but because I think it's ridiculous to build up Trevor Pryce to be the second coming of Reggie White like some people in this thread have done.

That being said, a parent must promote and build up it's young. My boy Adam Meadows would totally take your 'Foster' child down.

[Requiem]

Considering that Foster allows some of the least sack numbers for RT's in the league, including LT's as well, and that he ranks in the top twelve as far as running DVOA, I have a hard time believing he's the worst starting tackle in football. People really need to get some new material.

[Arkie]

Although, it is a pretty big game, so Pryce will probably disappear anyway.

Is that why they put his mug on the horse trailer the last time he played on MNF?

[Man-Goblin]

Is that why they put his mug on the horse trailer the last time he played on MNF?

That was the best game I'd ever seen a Broncos defensive lineman play. He deserved it. Glad he decided to show up in a 30-10 game in week 2. Kudos.

But where was he the rest of last year? Oh yeah, I forgot, it was the system.

Considering that Foster allows some of the least sack numbers for RT's in the league, including LT's as well, and that he ranks in the top twelve as far as running DVOA, I have a hard time believing he's the worst starting tackle in football. People really need to get some new material.

Foster is no imposter!!!

[Requiem]

I haven't decided to do a new one yet, I'll probably wait until after this week. Hehe, I think Foster can definitely play better, but he's not nearly as bad as people are saying.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?

Same question applies for Plummer and Cutler.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Foster will swallow up Pryce all night long.

[Taco John]

Okay, here is the deal:

If Foster starts all 16 games next season, I owe you 50 bones.

If Foster does not start atleast one game next season due to performance(not injury), you owe me 50 bones.

Now, if Foster has a minor boo-boo and is listed as probable or better, and for some reason is benched, that does not count as an injury.



No no no no no... That's not the deal you agreed to:

"Foster will be a starter next season."

I'm not playing this "all 16 games" bit where I forget the entire thing ever happend. I want my easy money in September, not January 2008.

Foster is going to start the season next year, just like he'll be a starter in every game this year, barring injury.

[Taco John]

Same question applies for Plummer and Cutler.

No it doesn't. Especially when you consider that Cutler is more talented and has a better arm. The only thing Plummer has on Cutler is more experience.

[Smiling Assassin27]

No it doesn't. Especially when you consider that Cutler is more talented and has a better arm. The only thing Plummer has on Cutler is more experience.


That makes no sense, TJ. Tools don't amount to squat--the first string qb is the better qb, period just like the first string RT is the better RT.

[Taco John]

That makes no sense, TJ. Tools don't amount to squat--the first string qb is the better qb, period just like the first string RT is the better RT.


Since this thread isn't about Plummer, I'm not going to bother to argue about it here.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Fair enough. *cough* double standard *cough*

[Taco John]

Fair enough. *cough* double standard *cough*


Are you choking on something?

[Jens1893]

Doesnt Foster become a FA after this season?

[GonzoLays]

No no no no no... That's not the deal you agreed to:

"Foster will be a starter next season."

I'm not playing this "all 16 games" bit where I forget the entire thing ever happend. I want my easy money in September, not January 2008.

Foster is going to start the season next year, just like he'll be a starter in every game this year, barring injury.

Nope. Then we have no deal.

Obviously, you do not have enough confidence in Big George to hold down his starting position.

Either we go by my stipulations, or you can back out because you want some lopsided one way deal.

Your choice.

[cmhargrove]

You might say that Pryce is declining, but I thought I saw San Diego double teaming him most of the game last weekend. The funny thing is, he still has really good lateral pursuit. I saw him in on several of the tackles near the sidelines.

I'm not looking for a repeat of last year's MNF with Trevor, but I think he will play with "something to prove." He has seemed a little pissed off since he was cut.

The other side is Mike Anderson. They aren't using him for squat, and we could really use him. Too bad he's just sitting on the sidelines.

[Taco John]

Nope. Then we have no deal.

Obviously, you do not have enough confidence in Big George to hold down his starting position.

Either we go by my stipulations, or you can back out because you want some lopsided one way deal.

Your choice.



Obviously I knew you didn't have the balls to accept my bet. You just want to diarrhea at the mouth. I'm not going by your frilly stipulations. You were making statements, and I challenged you to a wager, based on what you were saying. You accepted, and then decided to start making addendums to my wager. Screw that. Accept my wager, or shut up already. It's not like my wager was above and beyond anything you were claiming. You said that Foster was the worst tackle in the NFL. It stands to reason that if that were true, there's no way he'd be starting next season, right?

I'm not going by your stipulations, wuss. I'm challenging you to back up your words. You've refused. YOU are the one backing out of the bet that you already accepted, not me.

My bet remains open to any Foster bashers. Anyone who's got the nuts to say Foster is the worst offensive tackle in the league, I offer you $50 if Foster is not on our opening day starting roster next season (barring injury). If he is on our starting roster, then the money flows in the other direction.

For what it's worth, I will be purchasing a Foster jersey with any easy money collected from this bet.

[GonzoLays]

Obviously I knew you didn't have the balls to accept my bet. You just want to diarrhea at the mouth. I'm not going by your frilly stipulations. You were making statements, and I challenged you to a wager, based on what you were saying. You accepted, and then decided to start making addendums to my wager. Screw that. Accept my wager, or shut up already. It's not like my wager was above and beyond anything you were claiming. You said that Foster was the worst tackle in the NFL. It stands to reason that if that were true, there's no way he'd be starting next season, right?

I'm not going by your stipulations, wuss. I'm challenging you to back up your words. You've refused. YOU are the one backing out of the bet, not me.

My bet remains open to any Foster bashers. Anyone who's got the nuts to say Foster is the worst offensive tackle in the league, I offer you $50 if Foster is not on our opening day starting roster next season (barring injury). If he is on our starting roster, then the money flows in the other direction.

For what it's worth, I will be purchasing a Foster jersey with any easy money collected from this bet.

No, you freaking dope, you said "Foster will be a starter next season." That could mean a thousand things. He could be starting for the Oakland Raiders if he got cut. He could be starting for the Edmonton in the CFL next season. He could be starting for the Colorado Crush in the Arena league. Does that satisfy your moronic bet? Absolutely not.

When I ageed to your bet, I was doing in gentlemanly fashion. In every bet that I have ever made with a poster, stipulations are set to cover all possible ramifications of the bet. Because that is just the common sense way of doing a bet. You on the other hand, make some pansy ass, "oooooh, nooooo, nananana booobooob, you agreed when I said Foster will be a starter" bitch ass pitch trying to hold me to some one side bet.

I am completely shocked by your response and quite frankly, coming from someone who does a lot of betting with a lot of posters on this board and people in general, I've never once had to deal with this childish behavior from a grown man. If you cannot handle the stipulations of the bet, just back out like a man and say so.

The stipulations I set forth were fair and forthright. You said Foster is going to be the starter next season, and I agreed to that. He just simply has to start all 16 games in which he is not injured. That's freaking fair considering that buffoon has started 36 games in row for Denver. I'm the one going out on the limb on this bet, not you.

You are a freaking herb.

[rovolution]

Tools don't amount to squat

i must agree. Case if point: Jeff George, great arm, terrible football player

[Taco John]

No, you freaking dope, you said "Foster will be a starter next season." That could mean a thousand things.

In this case it means one thing: When the opening day arrives, Foster will be a starter on the Denver Broncos roster. That's the bet. Take it or leave it. I'm not waiting until 2008 to collect my easy money for my Foster jersey.

You can kindly shut up about Foster being the worst offensive tackle in the league, seeing in that you are admitting that you believe he'll retain his starting position throughout this season, on through to next.

And again, my bet remains open to anyone who thinks Foster is so terrible that the coaches are just biding their time.

[Hotrod]

No, you freaking dope, you said "Foster will be a starter next season." That could mean a thousand things. He could be starting for the Oakland Raiders if he got cut. He could be starting for the Edmonton in the CFL next season. He could be starting for the Colorado Crush in the Arena league. Does that satisfy your moronic bet? Absolutely not.

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LOL now thats one of the all time best spin jobs I've ever seen

[watermock]

Geeze...getting into a piissing match with a mutt is never a good idea Taco.

[Taco John]

Geeze...getting into a pissing match with a mutt is never a good idea Taco.



Bah. Gonzo's stream just petered out.

All talk, no show.

[GonzoLays]

In this case it means one thing: When the opening day arrives, Foster will be a starter on the Denver Broncos roster. That's the bet. Take it or leave it. I'm not waiting until 2008 to collect my easy money for my Foster jersey.

You can kindly shut up about Foster being the worst offensive tackle in the league, seeing in that you are admitting that you believe he'll retain his starting position throughout this season, on through to next.

And again, my bet remains open to anyone who thinks Foster is so terrible that the coaches are just biding their time.

And look at you trying to give me YOUR interpretation of the bet. Hilarious. "Foster will be a starter next season" means EXACTLY that on opening day, if Foster starts, you win the bet. Oh, the stupidity. You think that is fair? That buffoon starts one game and you win the bet? hahahahahah, never again. I never knew you were such a herb.

[Hotrod]

And look at you trying to give me YOUR interpretation of the bet. Hilarious. "Foster will be a starter next season" means EXACTLY that on opening day, if Foster starts, you win the bet. Oh, the stupidity. You think that is fair? That buffoon starts one game and you win the bet? hahahahahah, never again. I never knew you were such a herb.

So in your opinon Shanny & company are complete idiots. I mean they would have to be pretty stupid to keep starting the worst tackle in football not only this year but go thru the offseason/draft/preseason and still start the single worst tackle in all of the NFL.

[Taco John]

Here's Gonzo's bold statement:


[pip squeak voice] George Foster is so bad! He's the worst tackle in the NFL. He's so bad that I bet he won't be starting for 28 more games! [/pip squeak voice]


What a nutless wonder.

[Sean]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?

Same question applies for Plummer and Cutler.

No it doesn't. Especially when you consider that Cutler is more talented and has a better arm. The only thing Plummer has on Cutler is more experience.

Smilin Assassin27 was right on the money. Are the coaches just Plummer-homers or something? Starting him for the hell of it?

Since this thread isn't about Plummer, I'm not going to bother to argue about it here.

:rofl:

[GonzoLays]

Here's Gonzo's bold statement:


[pip squeak voice] George Foster is so bad! He's the worst tackle in the NFL. He's so bad that I bet he won't be starting for 28 more games! [/pip squeak voice]


What a nutless wonder.

WTF is wrong with you. I set forth the stipulations for the bet and you dive off the deep end. You know as well as I do you statement was open ended. "Foster will be a starter next season" could mean a thousand things. After I gave the stipulations, you could of kindly said, "No Gonzo, I don't agree with those odds. I say we do this..." but nooooo, you went all Mock on me starting making up **** like, "What the bet meant was, that on OPENING DAY if Foster is the starter, I win the bet." WTF? When did you say that? Never.

You took my honorable and gentlemen like acceptance of your bet and twisted it wildly in your favor. That is freaking terrible.

[Taco John]

And look at you trying to give me YOUR interpretation of the bet. Hilarious. "Foster will be a starter next season" means EXACTLY that on opening day, if Foster starts, you win the bet. Oh, the stupidity. You think that is fair? That buffoon starts one game and you win the bet? hahahahahah, never again. I never knew you were such a herb.



Why in the world should I give you two full seasons to back your statement that Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL? You think that's fair? Not only am I giving you the rest of this season, but an entire offseason for the coaches to scramble and fix this problem. But clearly, you are aware that isn't going to happen, and that your just talking to be heard.

[Taco John]

WTF is wrong with you. I set forth the stipulations for the bet and you dive off the deep end.


Bah... You set forth wuss clauses to protect your own ass from your own mouth. You don't believe a word you're saying about Foster. You're just trying to get attention and front run because you know that there is sentiment around this place that is anti-Foster, and you want to be at the forefront of it. But when challenged to back your statements, you got weak in the knees. Not only did you refuse to accept my challenge that Foster will retain his starting job throughout the rest of this season, but you tried to alter my challenge that he'd be a Broncos starter at the opening of next season.

I don't need you for this bet... There's plenty of sentiment around this place challenging Foster's position on the team. Perhaps someone with some conviction who actually believes what they're saying will step up, and not just someone who's trying to front run the issue.

[GonzoLays]

Why in the world should I give you two full seasons to back your statement that Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL? You think that's fair? Not only am I giving you the rest of this season, but an entire offseason for the coaches to scramble and fix this problem. But clearly, you are aware that isn't going to happen, and that your just talking to be heard.

When you wrote "foster will be a starter next season," my logical assumption was that you meant for the whole season. Now you are trying to tell me if that Foster starts one freaking game, you win the bet? You know that isn't fair and stop trying to spin it your favor.

Clearly, as you have stated, Foster is a problem. Now, considering that you and I know this, do the coaches? My feeling is that we have not have backup tackle of even capable of staying on a NFL roster, much less challenge Foster for the starting position. Cornell Green, PJ Alexander and Dewayne Carswell should not be in the NFL starting for a playoff caliber team at RT. Sorry. The only reason Foster is starting because he sucks the least basically.

This all speculation though. For all I know, Shanahan thinks the world of Foster and wants to sign him to a 7 year, 70 million dollar contract extension. Considering that he has started 35 consecutive games in row, that seems much more likely of happening that Shanahan benching him. So the odds are in your favor. Adams Meadows was building houses for a reason and Erik Pears is a practice squad vet for a reason too. They are terrible. My stipulations are fair, and if you have any honor, you will accept them.

[GonzoLays]

Bah... You set forth wuss clauses to protect your own ass from your own mouth. You don't believe a word you're saying about Foster. You're just trying to get attention and front run because you know that there is sentiment around this place that is anti-Foster, and you want to be at the forefront of it. But when challenged to back your statements, you got weak in the knees. Not only did you refuse to accept my challenge that Foster will retain his starting job throughout the rest of this season, but you tried to alter my challenge that he'd be a Broncos starter at the opening of next season.

I don't need you for this bet... There's plenty of sentiment around this place challenging Foster's position on the team. Perhaps someone with some conviction who actually believes what they're saying will step up, and not just someone who's trying to front run the issue.

You are a clown. Plain and simple. If you were to put this to vote, you would get slammed down because you are trying to spin the stipulations. You never said anything about opening day or starting just one game. You simply said, "Foster will be the starter next season." Now you are saying concrete that is was opening day? STFU

I thought it meant for the whole season. A clown like yourself believes one game.

If you wanna act like a bitch and try to cheapen the bet, go ahead. Honestly, you are the last person I ever expected this from.

[usedupbraids]

why did we let go pryce?

[Taco John]

Clearly, as you have stated, Foster is a problem. Now, considering that you and I know this, do the coaches?


This just shows how far up your ass your head really is. I never stated that Foster was a problem. I stated that he will retain his starting position on this team, and will be a starter on this team on opening day of next season. You stated that he's the worst tackle in the NFL.



This all speculation though. For all I know, Shanahan thinks the world of Foster and wants to sign him to a 7 year, 70 million dollar contract extension. Considering that he has started 35 consecutive games in row, that seems much more likely of happening that Shanahan benching him. So the odds are in your favor. Adams Meadows was building houses for a reason and Erik Pears is a practice squad vet for a reason too. They are terrible. My stipulations are fair, and if you have any honor, you will accept them.

Now you're making my argument. I am well aware that the odds of Shanahan starting Foster through this season and into the next are high. I'm not the one claiming that he's the worst tackle in the NFL. You are. Until you are challenged to back your statement, then you want to factor in things like fairness. Apparently, it's fair to call Foster the worst tackle in the NFL until you are forced to back it up. Then you need to create a bunch of stipulations around the statement to make it "fair."

The best part of this is being lectured by you on things like childishness and honor. What a joke.

I fully understand that you are not going to accept the fact that you are being worked. But just so you know... you are.

[Clockwork Orange]

why did we let go pryce?

He was going to count more than $10 million against the cap this season. Too much cap hit for too little production.

[Taco John]

You are a clown. Plain and simple. If you were to put this to vote, you would get slammed down because you are trying to spin the stipulations. You never said anything about opening day or starting just one game. You simply said, "Foster will be the starter next season." Now you are saying concrete that is was opening day? STFU

I thought it meant for the whole season. A clown like yourself believes one game.

If you wanna act like a b**** and try to cheapen the bet, go ahead. Honestly, you are the last person I ever expected this from.



No... Let's do it... Let's add a poll to this. In fact, I'll let you phrase the question (so long as it's balanced), and I'll add it to this thread.

[Bronx33]

This thread needs a referee.

[Arkie]

You guys compromise. Foster has to start 8 games.

[Taco John]

You guys compromise. Foster has to start 8 games.

How is that a compromise? His statement is that Foster is the worst starting left tackle in the entire league. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the coaches are going to fix that in the offseason, and jettison Foster?

[usedupbraids]

He was going to count more than $10 million against the cap this season. Too much cap hit for too little production.

:approve: yea plus lang is doing pertty good this year

[GonzoLays]

This just shows how far up your ass your head really is. I never stated that Foster was a problem. I stated that he will retain his starting position on this team, and will be a starter on this team on opening day of next season. You stated that he's the worst tackle in the NFL.





Now you're making my argument. I am well aware that the odds of Shanahan starting Foster through this season and into the next are high. I'm not the one claiming that he's the worst tackle in the NFL. You are. Until you are challenged to back your statement, then you want to factor in things like fairness. Apparently, it's fair to call Foster the worst tackle in the NFL until you are forced to back it up. Then you need to create a bunch of stipulations around the statement to make it "fair."

The best part of this is being lectured by you on things like childishness and honor. What a joke.

I fully understand that you are not going to accept the fact that you are being worked. But just so you know... you are.

The fact that you are conniving, cheap underhanded bettor is definitely an unpleasant surprise. No reason talking facts with you because you are oblivious to them. To you, spinning an open ended statement wildly in your favor and then calling out the gentlemen that agreed to bet with you in first place shows your true colors. You never had any intention of backing up your bet and now you are trying to weasel your way out of it. Fair enough.

[Arkie]

How is that a compromise? His statement is that Foster is the worst starting left tackle in the entire league. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the coaches are going to fix that in the offseason, and jettison Foster?

You want your jersey on opening day, and he wants to wait until January 2008. That would be the halfway point.

[Taco John]

The fact that you are conniving, cheap underhanded bettor is definitely an unpleasant surprise. No reason talking facts with you because you are oblivious to them. To you, spinning an open ended statement wildly in your favor and then calling out the gentlemen that agreed to bet with you in first place shows your true colors. You never had any intention of backing up your bet and now you are trying to weasel your way out of it. Fair enough.



LOL Whatever you say, front runner. I knew the minute your feet were pressed to the fire, you'd run screaming. I thought your wussy stipulations were amusing, but there's no way I'm going to allow you to buy that kind of time on your gutless statements.

My wager remains open to any of the Foster bashers who think that Foster is so terrible that the situation will be resolved by next season. Not only will Foster remain a starter throughout this season, but he'll open next season as a starter for us.

[watermock]

To you, spinning an open ended statement wildly in your favor and then calling out the gentlemen that agreed to bet with you in first place shows your true colors. You never had any intention of backing up your bet and now you are trying to weasel your way out of it. Fair enough.


I don't quite get the stink. If Foster has to start he next 38 games, shouldn't we wait to see if he does?

[Taco John]

Gimme the poll question, Gonzo... I'm anxious to show you just how badly you're being worked here...

[Taco John]

How's this for a poll question:

Which person is waffling on this bet: Taco or Gonzo

That seems fair.

[watermock]

http://digilander.libero.it/Daisychain/gatti/images/catfight.jpg

[GonzoLays]

Gimme the poll question, Gonzo... I'm anxious to show you just how badly you're being worked here...

Interpret this statement:

Foster will be the starter next season. (your exact statement)

Which of the following conclusions is the most logically drawn from the above statement?

a) one game

b) the entire season

[Taco John]

Interpret this statement:

Foster will be a starter next season.

Which of the following conclusions is the most logically drawn from the above statement?

a) one game

b) the entire season



I'll counter:

Interpret this statement:

Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL.

Which of the following conclusion is the most logically drawn from the above statement:

A) Foster will be replaced by next season, if he even lasts this one

B) Foster will play for 28 more games before he's replaced.

[Taco John]

My bet was originally this, before you twisted it with your wussed up stipulations:

"How about a wager... I'll bet you $50 that George Foster will keep his starting job all season long, barring injury, and another $50 that Foster will be a starter next season to boot."

Clearly, if he is on the opening day roster as a starter, you will have lost the bet, your words having rung hollow. Not only are you afraid to back your statements by putting your neck out that the worst starting tackle in the league will lose his job by the end of the season, but you need an entire full season next year? What a wuss.

[GonzoLays]

I'll counter:

Interpret this statement:

Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL.

Which of the following conclusion is the most logically drawn from the above statement:

A) Foster will be replaced by next season, if he even lasts this one

B) Foster will play for 28 more games before he's replaced.

I would ask you what this has to do with "Foster will be the starter next season" but all I am going to get is more spin. For some odd reason, you seem to be confused about what are debating here.

You interpret "Foster will be the starter next season" as, "all he has to do is start one game."

I interpret "Foster will be the starter next season" as, "as long as Foster is reasonably healthy, he will start the entire season."

You are going off on a tangent in a meger attempt to wipe the egg of your face. You got busted and you know it. And you know I know it too and that is all that matters.

[Taco John]

Which poster is waffling on the bet regarding Gonzo's statements that "Foster is the worst starting tackle in the league?" Taco or Gonzo.

Is that a fair question? Counter if you think not.

Remember, it's your words that kicked this bet off. I personally think the question is completely fair... And I know you'll get worked... And so do you.

[Hotrod]

Ok how about this

*If you claim Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL are you

A) lacking judgement
B) Gonzo
C) All of the above

Ok Ok I'll but out now ;D

[Bronx33]

Ok how about this

*If you claim Foster is the worst tackle in the NFL are you

A) lacking judgement
B) Gonzo
C) All of the above

Ok Ok I'll but out now ;D


Thanks i now have pop on my keyboard.

[Taco John]

For those that know anything about football and the way the Broncos do contracts, if Foster is the worst starting tackle in the league, then he doesn't stand a chance of being on the opening day roster next year. He'll be in the last year of his contract, where it becomes cheaper to cut him than keep him. The Broncos will have three choices:

1) pay the worst starting tackle in the league at an elevated rate due to the way NFL contracts escalate.

2) cut him and absorb the small amount of dead guaranteed money that is left over.

3) extend his deal and re-work his contract so that he's on the team for several more years and his current salary is salary cap friendly.




If Foster is the worst starting tackle in the league, then it stands to reason that they're not going to do options 1 or 3, now does it? I shouldn't have to wait 28 games for Gonzo to back his words or swallow them.

[GonzoLays]

Taco, in your pathetic and most inglorious attempt to obfuscate the matter, I have clearly learned that you are not an honorable man.

It is definitely my fault for dealing with such a man of low and moral character. Never in my life has someone so maliciously twisted a bet in his favor and then had the gale to try and accuse me of waffling.

You can carry on this charade for as long as you want Taco, I am through with it.

[Taco John]

That's what a front runner does when challenged to back his front running statements. He backs down and points fingers at the person who exposed him for what he is: a front runner.

I'll tell you what Gonzo... I'll give you a chance to save some face here. I'll compromise:

If George Foster is on the starting roster next year, you owe me $50. If he loses his job for performance reasons throughout that season, you get it back. If "the worst starting tackle in the league" isn't on the Broncos starting roster next year on opening day, you win $100 outright.

A more than generous offer considering your brainless statement.

[Taco John]

And just so you know, there's no obfuscation here except on your part. You said that George Foster is the worst starting left tackle in the league. I challenged you to back your words. You didn't have the guts to do it this season, and then you then started the stipulation dance for next season.

I'm now throwing you a rope. Take it or leave it.

I'll leave the bet open to anyone else who thinks Foster is so terrible. I'll only take one challenger though.

[elsid13]

Interesting...........

[Hotrod]

Geez Gonzo just admit that maybe you over stated it when you called him the worst in the NFL and move on already.

And TJ please stop calling him a LT ;D

[Taco John]

And TJ please stop calling him a LT ;D

I mean to say Tackle there... Brain farts...

[Taco John]

Geez Gonzo just admit that maybe you over stated it when you called him the worst in the NFL and move on already.



There's another option... Admitting that you were just running your mouth and backing down.

[elsid13]

Geez Gonzo just admit that maybe you over stated it when you called him the worst in the NFL and move on already.

And TJ please stop calling him a LT ;D

Yo Hippie, stop playing peace maker and attempting to save the world. Some of us enjoy watch the ITT TECH grad make a fool of himself. ;D

[Bronx33]

right about now the theme to jepardy starts..http://www.frogstar.com/wav/displaywav.asp?fil=jeopardy.wav

[Master___Pain]

Some of us enjoy watch the ITT TECH grad make a fool of himself. ;D

Who? Taco? **










**(I keed, I keed)

[elsid13]

Who? Taco? **



**(I keed, I keed)


Who knew Popps figured out how to hack into the accounts on the Mane.

[Taco John]

Weeeell?



If George Foster is on the starting roster next year, you owe me $50. If he loses his job for performance reasons throughout that season, you get it back. If "the worst starting tackle in the league" isn't on the Broncos starting roster next year on opening day, you win $100 outright.

A more than generous offer considering your brainless statement.

[Atlas]

Are you choking on something?

He was sucking off Scary Al

[Los Broncos]

Pryce is loving this, Pryce v Foster scares me, we need to have the fb help out with him, i see foster getting owned a few times.

[atomicbloke]

Hahaha... looks like Gonzo finally realized he was having his backside handed to him by Taco and chickened out of the thread.... but it was entertaining :D

[Taco John]

Well, Gozo? You going to accept the compromise offer? Or are you going to sit there hoping that you can get 50/50 odds on your outrageous statements.

[Rascal]

Why is this on the front page since it is clearly no longer about Pryce vs Foster?

[Rascal]

FWIW, Foster is not the worst starting RT in the league (that statement is just stupid), but there is a decent chance that he won't be starting for us next year. This is his contract year I believe, and frankly he isn't playing well enough to justify the type of salary he is going to want.

[Requiem]

No Rascal, you will endure two more years of his greatness, as his contract is not up until 2008. So some of ya'll morose mfkers about Foster will just continue to have the looks and attitude that someone sheeyat in your cereal.

[watermock]

I may be delusional, but this sounds like it was rather acremonious.

I wouldn't say Foster is the worst RT in the league, but he's far from being the high pick intended to be a LT. You don't take a RT mid first round. Taco won't abandon Foster till he's let go after next year.

This takes the cake for stupid bets. Taco, how were you so naive as to make a bet with Gonzo? He's wrong a solid 90% of the time. Conversely Taco, you tend to defend Foster like your first born.

Like most contentious arguments, the ground rules are challenged by the loser...I never saw said bet, but several people including me have seen Foster be a turnstile and be sluggish with his footwork. To have a converted TE/RT over at LT now, says more than anything.

I wouldn't call Foster a complete bust, but he plays lazy and soft. IMO, on a scale of 1-10, he's nothing better than a 5 if that as a RT. But he wasn't drafted as a RT. As a LT, he scores a zero.

[Requiem]

If Foster scores a 5 as a RT, I'd love to see where you (Mock) and the others would rank the other 31 in the NFL.

Also, I believe Foster playing the right side of the line has to do with Lepsis success at the position moreso than Foster's inability to do it.

Foster had experience in one game his rookie season, is that the kind of guy you want at the lines most important position?

Maybe he'll be moved over to LT when Lepsis retires, or maybe we'll draft a LT this year (great crop) and keep him at RT.

[Rascal]

No Rascal, you will endure two more years of his greatness, as his contract is not up until 2008. So some of ya'll morose mfkers about Foster will just continue to have the looks and attitude that someone sheeyat in your cereal.

LOL

Wonder were I got that idea then.

:moody:

[Bronx33]

George is in his 4th year i really don't think hes even hit his peak potential yet (work in progress) is he the worse? i would say no.

[Rascal]

I may be delusional, but this sounds like it was rather acremonious.

I wouldn't say Foster is the worst RT in the league, but he's far from being the high pick intended to be a LT. You don't take a RT mid first round. Taco won't abandon Foster till he's let go after next year.

This takes the cake for stupid bets. Taco, how were you so naive as to make a bet with Gonzo? He's wrong a solid 90% of the time. Conversely Taco, you tend to defend Foster like your first born.

Like most contentious arguments, the ground rules are challenged by the loser...I never saw said bet, but several people including me have seen Foster be a turnstile and be sluggish with his footwork. To have a converted TE/RT over at LT now, says more than anything.

I wouldn't call Foster a complete bust, but he plays lazy and soft. IMO, on a scale of 1-10, he's nothing better than a 5 if that as a RT. But he wasn't drafted as a RT. As a LT, he scores a zero.

I'd say that is exactly why he made the bet regardless of him defending Foster more then his first born.

If your scale is 1-10 for starting RT's then you are probably accurate (maybe a 6).

[Rascal]

Let's drop the debate about him being the worst because he obviously isn't.

[Man-Goblin]

He's gonna look like the best RT ever when he's pushing TP around all over the field on Monday (you like how I brought us back on topic? awww yeahhhh).

[GonzoLays]

That's what a front runner does when challenged to back his front running statements. He backs down and points fingers at the person who exposed him for what he is: a front runner.

I'll tell you what Gonzo... I'll give you a chance to save some face here. I'll compromise:

If George Foster is on the starting roster next year, you owe me $50. If he loses his job for performance reasons throughout that season, you get it back. If "the worst starting tackle in the league" isn't on the Broncos starting roster next year on opening day, you win $100 outright.

A more than generous offer considering your brainless statement.

How stupid is that bet? You are covering your ass trying by finagling the odds. What you are trying to tell me is that if Foster starts the opening game, I send you 50 bucks, but if he gets benched during the season, you send me back the 50 bucks? That might be the most moronic bet someone has ever offered me.

Why are you making a complicated situation difficult? You said Foster will be the starter next season and we agreed to bet on that. If Foster gets benched during the season, you send me 100 bucks. If Foster starts all 16 games FOR THE DENVER BRONCOS, I send you 50. But if Foster gets rotated in out with a guy who was building houses over the summer, then you send me an additional 75 bucks for being an idiot.

Those odds are fair. Take it or leave it.

[watermock]

If Foster starts all 16 games FOR THE DENVER BRONCOS, I send you 50. But if Foster gets rotated in out with a guy who was building houses over the summer, then you send me an additional 75 bucks for being an idiot.



So first you say he has to start all 16 games, you pay, but if he's rotated you don't have to? Your a collosal moron. Alot of players are rotated over the course of a game.

Try going to www.nfl.com if you want to see each games substitutions. I suppose if Foster tears up his ACL you will find vindication. Your a dumbass of the first order.

[GonzoLays]

So first you say he has to start all 16 games, you pay, but if he's rotated you don't have to? Your a collosal moron. Alot of players are rotated over the course of a game.

Try going to www.nfl.com if you want to see each games substitutions. I suppose if Foster tears up his ACL you will find vindication. Your a dumbass of the first order.

Good grief! You are one stupid son of a bitch.

[Taco John]

I'm not trying to give you fair odds you dumbass. I'm trying to challenge you to back with your ass the checks that your mouth is writing. There's absolutely NOTHING fair about calling Foster the worst starting tackle in the league. It's a farce. Something empty that you said just for the sake of trying to create argument. I'm just trying to see what your convictions are when you say such stupid things.

Clearly, you don't believe what you are saying, because now you're sitting here trying to get "fair odds" on a bet, and in the process have stopped saying such stupid things. You have no conviction behind your words. They were empty. I made the challenge based on the stupid things YOU were saying.

I accomplished what I set out to do: expose you for the front running twerp you are.

[Rascal]

Good grief! You are one stupid son of a b****.

Is there a pot meet kettle icon?

[barters]

Put in my adopt-a-Bronco, Adam Meadows, of course.

Although, it is a pretty big game, so Pryce will probably disappear anyway.

Like he did last year on MNF yeah?

[kamakazi_kal]

this is the game that foster earns his draft position and his pay........championship.....

[GonzoLays]

I'm not trying to give you fair odds you dumbass. I'm trying to challenge you to back with your ass the checks that your mouth is writing. There's absolutely NOTHING fair about calling Foster the worst starting tackle in the league. It's a farce. Something empty that you said just for the sake of trying to create argument. I'm just trying to see what your convictions are when you say such stupid things.

Clearly, you don't believe what you are saying, because now you're sitting here trying to get "fair odds" on a bet, and in the process have stopped saying such stupid things. You have no conviction behind your words. They were empty. I made the challenge based on the stupid things YOU were saying.

I accomplished what I set out to do: expose you for the front running twerp you are.

For the last time, put your money where you mouth is:

50 Bucks

If Foster starts all 16 games next season for the Denver Broncos, you win.

If Foster is benched/loses his starting position next season, I win.

It is all very simple. You can keep acting like a politician, switching back and forth on points that have absolutely nothing to do with the original bet...OR you can man up and accept the bet. It is only 50 bucks...you probably waste that on lunch.

[Hotrod]

For the last time, put your money where you mouth is:

50 Bucks

If Foster starts all 16 games next season for the Denver Broncos, you win.

If Foster is benched/loses his starting position next season, I win.

It is all very simple. You can keep acting like a politician, switching back and forth on points that have absolutely nothing to do with the original bet...OR you can man up and accept the bet. It is only 50 bucks...you probably waste that on lunch.

Your alot like bobo just takes his *** kicking and comes back begging for seconds.

[GonzoLays]

Your alot like bobo just takes his *** kicking and comes back begging for seconds.


Who are you? Taco's trained attack mut? For the love of God, this conversation has nothing to do with you. You and the rest of his cronies that posted in this thread can kiss his ass later. Believe me, this will not be the last chance you get. Now call Elsid over, and you two can have a good cry together. Got it?

[Man-Goblin]

Like he did last year on MNF yeah?

From yesterday...

That was the best game I'd ever seen a Broncos defensive lineman play. He deserved it. Glad he decided to show up in a 30-10 game in week 2. Kudos.

But where was he the rest of last year? Oh yeah, I forgot, it was the system.

[elsid13]

Who are you? Taco's trained attack mut? For the love of God, this conversation has nothing to do with you. You and the rest of his cronies that posted in this thread can kiss his ass later. Believe me, this will not be the last chance you get. Now call Elsid over, and you two can have a good cry together. Got it?

Does this mean I can cross you off my Christmas List???

Darn I actually had great present for you this year, maybe Hotrod can use it.

[Taco John]

For the last time, put your money where you mouth is:

50 Bucks

If Foster starts all 16 games next season for the Denver Broncos, you win.


LOL ROFL! LOL LOL

ME! HAHAHAHA! You're so pathetic! You come in here, start talking trash, shooting off at the mouth, and then once you're challenged, you pretend that you didn't say a thing to get yourself into this mess, and that it's ME who needs to put my money where my mouth is...

No. Wuss. I. CHALLENGED. YOU!


It is all very simple. You can keep acting like a politician, switching back and forth on points that have absolutely nothing to do with the original bet...OR you can man up and accept the bet. It is only 50 bucks...you probably waste that on lunch.

The original bet was set out with the intention of seeing if you were willing to back your words. YOU are the one acting like a politician. YOU are the one backing down from the challenge. YOU are the one being exposed here for the little front-running pot-stirrer you are.

I'm not going to make a bet in 2006 that I can't collect on until 2008. That's moronic, and defeats the whole purpose of why I challenged you in the first place. I completely understand why you're backing down. You don't believe a word you said and you know that it's a losing proposition. That's all I needed to find out here. The intent of challenging you was to expose you.

Mission accomplished.

[GonzoLays]

LOL ROFL! LOL LOL

ME! HAHAHAHA! You're so pathetic! You come in here, start talking trash, shooting off at the mouth, and then once you're challenged, you pretend that you didn't say a thing to get yourself into this mess, and that it's ME who needs to put my money where my mouth is...

No. Wuss. I. CHALLENGED. YOU!




The original bet was set out with the intention of seeing if you were willing to back your words. YOU are the one acting like a politician. YOU are the one backing down from the challenge. YOU are the one being exposed here for the little front-running pot-stirrer you are.

I'm not going to make a bet in 2006 that I can't collect on until 2008. That's moronic, and defeats the whole purpose of why I challenged you in the first place. I completely understand why you're backing down. You don't believe a word you said and you know that it's a losing proposition. That's all I needed to find out here. The intent of challenging you was to expose you.

Mission accomplished.

I am keen to your game. You really don't want to bet because you know you stand a good chance of losing so what you are trying to do is make the bet so stupidly one sided in your favor, that I will crumble and say no bet. Not bad.

Look, if the senorita put the foot down and said, "No Taco, you are not gambling 50 bucks" hey, I completely understand. Many wives do not allow their husbands to gamble. But just come out and say it. Really.

Don't make a fool out of yourself by telling me, "if Foster starts the season opener next season, I win 50 bucks. BUT, if he gets benched, I send the 50 bucks back to you." Does that make sense to anyone besides you and your crew of ass kissers? I think not. Hell, if Mock agrees with you, then you know what you are writing is completely illogical.

[GonzoLays]

Does this mean I can cross you off my Christmas List???

Darn I actually had great present for you this year, maybe Hotrod can use it.

Pssst, Taco is posting in the War and Religion forum. Hurrry!! You better get your ass kissing in before Hotrod starts back up!!! You don't want him to be number one do you?

[Hotrod]

Who are you? Taco's trained attack mut? For the love of God, this conversation has nothing to do with you. You and the rest of his cronies that posted in this thread can kiss his ass later. Believe me, this will not be the last chance you get. Now call Elsid over, and you two can have a good cry together. Got it?

LOL someones lashing out maybe you need a nap or some milk and cookies....or heres an idea grow some thicker skin

[Hotrod]

Pssst, Taco is posting in the War and Religion forum. Hurrry!! You better get your ass kissing in before Hotrod starts back up!!! You don't want him to be number one do you?

Did it ever occur to you people are bashing you because your being childish. You've been slapped around so much on this thread you dont even realize just how silly you look.

[elsid13]

LOL someones lashing out maybe you need a nap or some milk and cookies....or heres an idea grow some thicker skin

Now that funny. ROFL!

[Taco John]

I am keen to your game. You really don't want to bet because you know you stand a good chance of losing so what you are trying to do is make the bet so stupidly one sided in your favor, that I will crumble and say no bet. Not bad.

Look, if the senorita put the foot down and said, "No Taco, you are not gambling 50 bucks" hey, I completely understand. Many wives do not allow their husbands to gamble. But just come out and say it. Really.

Don't make a fool out of yourself by telling me, "if Foster starts the season opener next season, I win 50 bucks. BUT, if he gets benched, I send the 50 bucks back to you." Does that make sense to anyone besides you and your crew of ass kissers? I think not. Hell, if Mock agrees with you, then you know what you are writing is completely illogical.



And I'm keen to your game... Talk **** until challenged to back up your words. Then whine about fairness when you realize that you're not prepared to back up what you said in the first place.

[GonzoLays]

And I'm keen to your game... Talk **** until challenged to back up your words. Then whine about fairness when you realize that you're not prepared to back up what you said in the first place.

Last chance to save face, my friend.

If George Foster starts all 16 games for the Denver Broncos next season, you win 50 bucks.

If George Foster gets benched/loses his starting position next season, I win 50 bucks.

Oh, for the love of God, just agree to this fair deal and stop trying to counter with some lopsided "Foster starts one game bull****." Okay?

[Arkie]

There is no way the worst starting RT in the NFL will still be starting game 1 in 2007.

Gonzo, just accept Taco's easy money, or admit you don't really believe Foster is the worst starting tackle. If you think that bet is so lopsided, then let's make that same bet only I get to pick the starting RT that won't be starting next year.

[Taco John]

Last chance to save face, my friend.

If George Foster starts all 16 games for the Denver Broncos next season, you win 50 bucks.

If George Foster gets benched/loses his starting position next season, I win 50 bucks.

Oh, for the love of God, just agree to this fair deal and stop trying to counter with some lopsided "Foster starts one game bull****." Okay?


I have not face that needs to be saved. And I'm not going to make a bet in 2006 that I can't cash in on until 2008. You must be high.

You made a statement. I challenged you to back it up. You refused.

End of story. You can either accept my challenge and back your words, or you can sit there and waffle, demanding fair odds, and look like the front-running pot-stirrer that you are.

You've got to be kidding if you think this reflects poorly on me. Only shows how truly deslusional you are.

The word is out Gonzo. The minute you have to back the outrageous stuff you say, you start waffling.

[Bronx33]

There is no way the worst starting RT in the NFL will still be starting game 1 in 2007.

Gonzo, just accept Taco's easy money, or admit you don't really believe Foster is the worst starting tackle. If you think that bet is so lopsided, then let's make that same bet only I get to pick the starting RT that won't be starting next year.


I agree! gonzo hang pork or give in this thread is like a chinese water torture.

[GonzoLays]

There is no way the worst starting RT in the NFL will still be starting game 1 in 2007.

Gonzo, just accept Taco's easy money, or admit you don't really believe Foster is the worst starting tackle. If you think that bet is so lopsided, then let's make that same bet only I get to pick the starting RT that won't be starting next year.

Who knew Arkie was a card carrying member of Taco kiss ass club? Unreal.

[elsid13]

I still wonder about all the last chance statements. Is a world supposed end sometime tonight?

[GonzoLays]

I have not face that needs to be saved. And I'm not going to make a bet in 2006 that I can't cash in on until 2008. You must be high.

You made a statement. I challenged you to back it up. You refused.

End of story. You can either accept my challenge and back your words, or you can sit there and waffle, demanding fair odds, and look like the front-running pot-stirrer that you are.

You've got to be kidding if you think this reflects poorly on me. Only shows how truly deslusional you are.

The word is out Gonzo. The minute you have to back the outrageous stuff you say, you start waffling.

Tiss, tiss tiss. This reflects poorly on me? Are you kidding me? You are the one that made this bet so outlandishly one sided in your favor that people should be angered at your complete lack of honor and integrity.

I, for one, have been completely honorable with my offer. You, on the other hand, have been nothing short of despicable.

You might have fooled your clan of ass kissing minions, but not me.

[Arkie]

Who knew Arkie was a card carrying member of Taco kiss ass club? Unreal.

I predicted this response before I typed my message. I was hoping to get the bet going in one way or another. I want somebody to bet that the worst RT won't be starting by the time the season starts next year. I would accept that challenge, but I need to do some research on starting RTs. However, you already have your choice it seems. You were telling the truth, right? ;)

[~Crash~]

How is Pryce doing for the rat turds?

[GonzoLays]

I predicted this response before I typed my message. I was hoping to get the bet going in one way or another. I want somebody to bet that the worst RT won't be starting by the time the season starts next year. I would accept that challenge, but I need to do some research on starting RTs. However, you already have your choice it seems. You were telling the truth, right? ;)

You see, Taco. You see how you confused the matter so much that these idiots don't even have a clue what the issue is?

You harped on one statement -- which has as much do with the bet as a cow ****ting in a field in Idaho -- and now these sheep baahhhaaaing over and over about it.

You knew what you were doing and it worked.

[Hotrod]

You see, Taco. You see how you confused the matter so much that these idiots don't even have a clue what the issue is?

You harped on one statement -- which has as much do with the bet as a cow ****ting in a field in Idaho -- and now these sheep baahhhaaaing over and over about it.

You knew what you were doing and it worked.

How many times have you changed the subject on this thread. Nope you worry about talking to Taco and getting your ego smashed. The rest of us are just here to point and laugh.

[cutthemdown]

If I was Shanny I would play it safe. I would leave a TE back to block him and his mates on the line. I would attack through the air with only 2 wr options and leave the rest to block IE TE and RB. I would run the ball even if it doesn't work.
I would try a trick for once because broncos never do it and no one would expect it(I KNOW, I KNOW SHANNY HATES THEM). I would run some reverses to Walker if the linebackers are flowing to much after the play. The most important thing though is we have to be able to get some of the dlineman on the ground. If they stay on feet all through the play it will be a long night. So sharpen up those cutters Dennisson your boys will need them.

[Taco John]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?


Oh, I don't know, because George Foster might be the worst starting offensive tackle in football? Yea, that's it.

I guarantee you, if Meadows had not signed late, missed most of the preseason he would have been starting at RT. (not to mention being out football for two years too.)

If the undrafted super sucktastic Cornell Green can steal snaps away from George Foster, there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year.


Then I say: Care to back any of that up?


Then you say: Will you give me 28 games to do it?


Then I say: Hell no! You said that there's a good bet he might be out of the league next year. Now you want a full 28 games to back up your moronic statement that he's the worst starting offensive tackle in football and that there's a good bet that he will be out of the league next year!? What are you high!?

Then you say: You have no honor unless you give me "fair" odds on my completely outlandish and unfair statements, and I'm sure that the entire board agrees with me. And if they don't, they're nothing but ass kissers who don't count.


You've been so utterly worked, it's not even funny... No wait... I take that back. It's hella funny.

[GonzoLays]

Then I say: Care to back any of that up?


Then you say: Will you give me 28 games to do it?


Then I say: Hell no! You said that there's a good bet he might be out of the league next year. Now you want a full 28 games to back up your moronic statement that he's the worst starting offensive tackle in football and that there's a good bet that he will be out of the league next year!? What are you high!?

Then you say: You have no honor unless you give me "fair" odds on my completely outlandish and unfair statements, and I'm sure that the entire board agrees with me. And if they don't, they're nothing but ass kissers who don't count.


You've been so utterly worked, it's not even funny... No wait... I take that back. It's hella funny.

Once again, fool, this has absolutely nothing to do with the terms of the bet.

You and I both agreed to bet on George Foster next season.

If you want to act like a pansy, then so be it. Just come out and say you don't have the balls to bet on George Foster holding his starting position next season. It really is simple.

[Taco John]

Once again, fool, this has absolutely nothing to do with the terms of the bet.



The hell it doesn't. You made stupid statements. I challenged you to back those statements. You tucked tail.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the terms of the bet.

You so much as said so when you stated: "there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year."

I'll take your waffling as a retraction.

[Master___Pain]

Complete pwnage in this thread. Wow.

[GonzoLays]

The hell it doesn't. You made stupid statements. I challenged you to back those statements. You tucked tail.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the terms of the bet.

You so much as said so when you stated: "there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year."

I'll take your waffling as a retraction.

And I am putting my money where my mouth is. You on the other hand are running so far away from having to bet me on George Foster starting all next season that you are stumbling over your own words.

Once again, man up.

If George Foster starts all 16 games for the Denver Broncos next season, I owe you 50 bucks.

If George Foster gets benched/does not start, you owe me 50 bucks.

Don't be scared Taco, I'm putting money out there for everyone to see. Don't be a chicken **** and turn down this bet.

[elsid13]

Complete pwnage in this thread. Wow.

Careful you wouldn't want to be associated with Hotrod and me, we're big meanies. :approve:

[Arkie]

Complete pwnage in this thread. Wow.

ass kisser




j/k

[No1BroncoFan]

Why in the world does anyone believe Meadows is better than Foster? Are the coaches just Foster-homers or something? They're just going to start Foster, even though Meadows is better than him?
Same question applies for Plummer and Cutler.
No it doesn't. Especially when you consider that Cutler is more talented and has a better arm. The only thing Plummer has on Cutler is more experience.
That makes no sense, TJ. Tools don't amount to squat--the first string qb is the better qb, period just like the first string RT is the better RT.
Since this thread isn't about Plummer, I'm not going to bother to argue about it here.
Either it applies to both, or it applies to niether. The coaches spend every day with the players. They are the ones who decide who gives them the best chance to win. Not some yokel in Washington who watches them once a week and runs a message board. TJ, you got busted, why not just admit it and move on. Oh, that's right. You've got that agenda against Jake to maintain.

Ben

[ludo21]

Either it applies to both, or it applies to niether. The coaches spend every day with the players. They are the ones who decide who gives them the best chance to win. Not some yokel in Washington who watches them once a week and runs a message board. TJ, you got busted, why not just admit it and move on. Oh, that's right. You've got that agenda against Jake to maintain.

Ben

ROFL!

This thread rocks, way to call him out No 1 :strong:

The depth chart is set for a reason, we have all seen shanny pull and cut guys when its clear they arent better, why is there an argument here to begin with?

[No1BroncoFan]

Considering that he has started 35 consecutive games in row, that seems much more likely of happening that Shanahan benching him. So the odds are in your favor.

One of the many reasons I put this fool on ignore. How can you have 35 consecutive games that aren't in a row? ??? ;D

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

I see Gonzo is perfecting the art of being a total ****tard.

[Florida_Bronco]

there is a good bet that Foster might be out of the league next year

Ok, here is your good bet Gonzo. I will bet you $100 that Foster is on an NFL Roster next year barring some form of major injury.

In your very own words you said it was a good bet, so lets make it official.

[Man-Goblin]

Foster calling Pryce out!!!!!!!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5043737,00.html

"That's a bad man; he's a bad man," said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. "This is a game I'm looking forward to playing."

Whew!!!

"It's going to be weird," Foster said. "He's definitely one of the better guys I've gone against in my time. It's going to be a challenge, but I'm up for it."

George stop! Don't make him mad!!! That is all.

[Hotrod]

Foster calling Pryce out!!!!!!!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5043737,00.html

"That's a bad man; he's a bad man," said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. "This is a game I'm looking forward to playing."

Whew!!!

"It's going to be weird," Foster said. "He's definitely one of the better guys I've gone against in my time. It's going to be a challenge, but I'm up for it."

George stop! Don't make him mad!!! That is all.

Oh dear lord I still think Foster is a fine RT but Im starting to question his brain power. As Mock would say "Foster STFU"

[DenverBrit]

Oh dear lord I still think Foster is a fine RT but Im starting to question his brain power. As Mock would say "Foster STFU"

The self imposed gag order on the O line makes sense.

So why let the dim-bulb on the line be the spokesman this week? hmmm...

[Hotrod]

The self imposed gag order on the O line makes sense.

So why let the dim-bulb on the line be the spokesman this week? hmmm...

Im guessing nails and the rest are talking to him about shutting up as we type. Anyway if I remember correct Pryces big no HUGE game last year against the chefs was talked up as a revenge game for something the chefs had done to him the year before.....ie he can bring out an extra gear/level when motivated.

[Requiem]

I'll bet Gonzo Lays a grand foster is in da league.

[Florida_Bronco]

Bump for Gonzo.

[Man-Goblin]

Im guessing nails and the rest are talking to him about shutting up as we type. Anyway if I remember correct Pryces big no HUGE game last year against the chefs was talked up as a revenge game for something the chefs had done to him the year before.....ie he can bring out an extra gear/level when motivated.

Well, then the Broncos are in trouble. Let's analyze these comments...

"That's a bad man; he's a bad man," said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. "This is a game I'm looking forward to playing."

Translation: “Trevor Pryce is a bad man. I mean really bad. He has questionable morals and ethics, is a poor defensive lineman, is a crappy rap artist, and I’ve heard he is a bad lover. He’s just bad in general. He needs to be spanked,” said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. “This is a game in which I’m looking forward to slamming his skinny ass to the turf and pushing him all over Invesco like I did all those years on the practice field.”

"It's going to be weird," Foster said. "He's definitely one of the better guys I've gone against in my time. It's going to be a challenge, but I'm up for it."

Translation: “It’s going to be weird,” Foster said. “He’s definitely one of the richest guys I’ve gone up against in my time. It’s pretty amazing such a mediocre player and crappy rapper could make all the money. I may be the worst starting right tackle in the game, but it shouldn’t be too much of challenge stopping that whiny bitch on Monday night.”

Thems fightin’ words. ;D

[Hotrod]

Well, then the Broncos are in trouble. Let's analyze these comments...

"That's a bad man; he's a bad man," said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. "This is a game I'm looking forward to playing."

Translation: “Trevor Pryce is a bad man. I mean really bad. He has questionable morals and ethics, is a poor defensive lineman, is a crappy rap artist, and I’ve heard he is a bad lover. He’s just bad in general. He needs to be spanked,” said Broncos right tackle George Foster, who is expected to face the Ravens' Pryce plenty Monday night. “This is a game in which I’m looking forward to slamming his skinny ass to the turf and pushing him all over Invesco like I did all those years on the practice field.”

"It's going to be weird," Foster said. "He's definitely one of the better guys I've gone against in my time. It's going to be a challenge, but I'm up for it."

Translation: “It’s going to be weird,” Foster said. “He’s definitely one of the richest guys I’ve gone up against in my time. It’s pretty amazing such a mediocre player and crappy rapper could make all the money. I may be the worst starting right tackle in the game, but it shouldn’t be too much of challenge stopping that whiny b**** on Monday night.”

Thems fightin’ words. ;D


LOL thats one way of looking at it Ha!

[Kaylore]

Foster is going to get owned again. Vrabel made Foster look like a buffoon, I have no doubt a fired up Pryce will be able to do the same thing.

[Rascal]

Foster is going to get owned again. Vrabel made Foster look like a buffoon, I have no doubt a fired up Pryce will be able to do the same thing.

Unfortunately I agree.

[Hotrod]

Unfortunately I agree.

Id be pretty surprised if Foster is left on a island much on Monday.

[Florida_Bronco]

Come on Gonzo, $100 says Foster is on an NFL roster next year.

[elsid13]

The self imposed gag order on the O line makes sense.

So why let the dim-bulb on the line be the spokesman this week? hmmm...

Foster is the designated spokesman all the time, because the league makes the line talk to reporters. Reason he is the youngest starter. Remember last year when he declare himself the sexist man on the playing field before the NE game?

Personally I think the rest of the line is egging him on, just so the dinner fund is bigger.

[Bronx33]

Foster is the designated spokesman all the time, because the league makes the line talk to reporters. Reason he is the youngest starter. Remember last year when he declare himself the sexist man on the playing field before the NE game?

Personally I think the rest of the line is egging him on, just so the dinner fund is bigger.


I have meet george and his girlfriend, george is a good guy with a great personality.

[DenverBrit]

Foster is the designated spokesman all the time, because the league makes the line talk to reporters. Reason he is the youngest starter. Remember last year when he declare himself the sexist man on the playing field before the NE game?

Personally I think the rest of the line is egging him on, just so the dinner fund is bigger.

I'm guessing that Foster gets more than his share from the dinner fund. ;D

[elsid13]

I'm guessing that Foster gets more than his share from the dinner fund. ;D

Man does seem to enjoy his food ;D

[Bronx33]

Man does seem to enjoy his food ;D

Hes a big mofo in person.

[Atlas]

Foster is going to get owned again. Vrabel made Foster look like a buffoon, I have no doubt a fired up Pryce will be able to do the same thing.


Vrabel is a LBer. Pryce is a DE. Foster will have no problems against Pryce. He has problems against speed rushers because he doesn't have quick feet but he does fine against the big guys.

Personally I think the Ravens should put Pryce at DT next to Ngata, he could have a huge game at DT against the Broncos.

[Rascal]

Vrabel is a LBer. Pryce is a DE. Foster will have no problems against Pryce. He has problems against speed rushers because he doesn't have quick feet but he does fine against the big guys.

See exhibit A: Ty Warren.

[Mile High Shack]

See exhibit A: Ty Warren.

I don't think 340 lb Ty Warren is a "speed rusher"

[Rascal]

I don't think 340 lb Ty Warren is a "speed rusher"

Exactly my point.

[Mile High Shack]

Exactly my point.

you set 'em up, I knock 'em down

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Rascal
Exactly my point.


you set 'em up, I knock 'em down


Originally Posted by Mile High Shack
I don't think 340 lb Ty Warren is a "speed rusher"

I can't believe I'm defending Atlas' take here, but one average game against Wilfork DOES NOT MEAN Foster has consistent problems, so get over it guys.

If that line of reasoning was any way valid then we should just go ahead and bench Plummer, put in Cutler, the next time we play San Diego, because of the way Plummer has stunk it up against 3-4 defenses lately.

Stop overreacting and get a grip.

[Mile High Shack]

Foster isn't the answer and it's not over reacting

there was a reason last year Cornell Green played half of the time and I don't think it was b/c of "injury"

We need a better RT

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack


I can't believe I'm defending Atlas' take here, but one average game against Wilfork DOES NOT MEAN Foster has consistent problems, so get over it guys.

If that line of reasoning was any way valid then we should just go ahead and bench Plummer, put in Cutler, the next time we play San Diego, because of the way Plummer has stunk it up against 3-4 defenses lately.

Stop overreacting and get a grip.

Who said anything about Wilfork?

Foster didn't have an average game, he had a piss poor game. And he has way to many "average" games.

[Hotrod]

So do you two knuckleheads thing Foster is the worst in the league Ha!

This is why Im kicking your butts in FFB.........err wait ;D

[elsid13]

So do you two knuckleheads thing Foster is the worst in the league Ha!

This is why Im kicking your butts in FFB.........err wait ;D

Stop kissing up to TJ. You know I'm his favorite :D

[Hotrod]

Stop kissing up to TJ. You know I'm his favorite :D

BS I got 2 count'em 2 christmas cards last year :D

[elsid13]

BS I got 2 count'em 2 christmas cards last year :D


Sending them to yourself and signing TJ's name, doesn't count !Booya!

[fontaine]

Foster isn't the answer and it's not over reacting

there was a reason last year Cornell Green played half of the time and I don't think it was b/c of "injury"

We need a better RT

That must be why Cornell Green was cut this year right? Since Foster is such an average Tackle? Or why Adam Meadows has been inactive so far?

All you're going on is a couple of times when one of the best DLs in the game managed to get the better of Foster. Big Freakin' Deal.

[Man-Goblin]

That must be why Cornell Green was cut this year right? Since Foster is such an average Tackle? Or why Adam Meadows has been inactive so far?

All you're going on is a couple of times when one of the best DLs in the game managed to get the better of Foster. Big Freakin' Deal.

100% agreed. It wasn't even close to half the time last season.

[ludo21]

some people just hate on certain players.

TJ on Jake
MHS on Foster

Nothing you can do about, let them continue to hate. Sure we need a new RT, but he is doing just fine, or else I think Shanny would have benched him or cut him by now. I trust him over you guys.

[Atlas]

I can't believe I'm defending Atlas' take here, but one average game against Wilfork DOES NOT MEAN Foster has consistent problems, so get over it guys.
.


congratulations, your finaly making sense!! LOL

Foster not a top 10 guy but he isn't a bottom 10 like people around here say. Watch the Cardinals or Doliphins play. You'll see some bad OTs in those games. Foster is at least average.

[Taco John]

BS I got 2 count'em 2 christmas cards last year :D

Liar. One of them was a Hanukah card. Only I probably spelled Hanukah right on it.

[Taco John]

Foster isn't the answer and it's not over reacting

there was a reason last year Cornell Green played half of the time and I don't think it was b/c of "injury"

We need a better RT



You think the team was lying about that or something? It wasn't revealed until the end of the season, so as not to tip off the other team. And look who's still starting.

[BroncoInferno]

You think the team was lying about that or something? It wasn't revealed until the end of the season, so as not to tip off the other team. And look who's still starting.

Funny, you're always so quick to tell us that Shanny will say whatever is expedient at the time--true or not--when he says something that contradicts you.

Actually, I agree that Foster isn't as terrible as some claim. I'm just sayin...:poke: ;D

[Mile High Shack]

I'm sorry, but I just expect more out of a #1 pick for an olineman for the Broncos.

Broncos NEVER take an oline person this early and when you do, you expect a lot more

[fontaine]

I'm sorry, but I just expect more out of a #1 pick for an olineman for the Broncos.

Broncos NEVER take an oline person this early and when you do, you expect a lot more

That's a very legitimate point.

[Taco John]

Funny, you're always so quick to tell us that Shanny will say whatever is expedient at the time--true or not--when he says something that contradicts you.

Actually, I agree that Foster isn't as terrible as some claim. I'm just sayin...:poke: ;D



You know, there is such a thing as context. Can you give me a single good reason why the Broncos would expose at the end of the season that George Foster played half the season with an injury? I sure can't. I can't even think of one.

On the other hand, I can think of several good reasons why Shanahan would say things that might be misleading about specific player situations when there is an active stake in it, like trade rumors, Darrius Watts status with the team, or other such items.

I'm open to hearing the incentive Shanahan would have about lying about Foster's injury status at the end of the season.

[Atlas]

I'm sorry, but I just expect more out of a #1 pick for an olineman for the Broncos.

Broncos NEVER take an oline person this early and when you do, you expect a lot more

Foster is what he is. It really doesn't make any difference whether Foster is a #1 pick or an undrafted FA. He is a solid starter and far better than what most people on this borad give him credit for.

Would you consider Foster a better player if he played the same but was drafted in the 4th round? That's absurd.

[Requiem]

Yep, Foster sure needs to get a lot better. I mean, what -- less than 10 sacks allowed in what, almost 40 pro starts now and ranking in the top 12 in the rushing DVOA for RT's? Yeah, he sure sucks.

Also, the person who said Green played last year because he was better than Foster has to be eating **** lies, Foster played with an injured MCL for a good portion of last year and I won't even get into the fact how much that hurts when trying to play on the line.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Foster must have played good the only time pryce made a difference was during the coin flip.

[Florida_Bronco]

Pryce was completely invisible tonight.

[DenverBrit]

Pryce was completely invisible tonight.

We've seen him pull off that magic trick before.
That's why the Ravens get to overpay him this season.

[GonzoLays]

Not only will Foster remain a starter throughout this season, but he'll open next season as a starter for us.

http://www.theimperials.net/imphky07/images/owned.jpg

[GonzoLays]

He simply doesn't have anyone to replace the terrible George Foster with. Give Meadows about three more weeks so he can get in football shape. By then, he will probably take Foster's spot.

:~ohyah!: :~ohyah!:

Taco got worked in this thread. WORKED!

[Taco John]

Too bad you were too big of a puss to take me up on the bet, huh?

[GonzoLays]

Too bad you were too big of a puss to take me up on the bet, huh?

Just eat your crow and give me my props.

I was right (again), and you were wrong.

If I was THIS WRONG about something, and somebody worked me as hard as I worked you, I would give the other person props. Seriously.

Don't become a sorry loser too! Eat your crow like a man and move on. Its not that hard.

[Florida_Bronco]

You are such a front runner, Gonzo.