Who is the best of The Undefeateds?

[Taco John]

Vote!

[ludo21]

Chicago.

B-More is good, but their O has looked pitiful for 2 weeks now.

[TexanBob]

I think the 1972 Dolphins are safe for another year.

[MechanicalBull]

Would have to go Chicago. Their D is playing great and right now their offense is looking pretty good.

Baltimore's offense doesn't look anything special and Indy's defense doesn't looking anything special.

[Kaylore]

http://www.chicagos-tenerife.com/images/chicagosbearslogo.gif
They're a Super Bowl team.

[rovolution]

Grossman looks all world. i never expected this kind of season from him.

[Taco John]

I voted Baltimore on the strength of McNair's experience vs. Rex Grossman's inexperience. I think if the two teams met up, Baltimore would eek out a win.

[Dagmar]

http://www.chicagos-tenerife.com/images/chicagosbearslogo.gif
They're a Super Bowl team.

Ah, so that's who we are gonna defeat in the SB. I was wondering...

[maven]

Da bears!

[Sassy]

I voted Baltimore on the strength of McNair's experience vs. Rex Grossman's inexperience. I think if the two teams met up, Baltimore would eek out a win.

I voted for the Bears...I think their offense is better...even with Grossman...than Baltimore.

...Oh yeah...can I vote for Baby Z as having the cutest smile? ;D He has your smile, TJ. 8')

[Rock Chalk]

I voted Baltimore on the strength of McNair's experience vs. Rex Grossman's inexperience. I think if the two teams met up, Baltimore would eek out a win.

You ever get tired of being wrong there Taco?

[SteveTensi13]

As long as Da Bears dont resurrect the Superbowl shuffle i'd like to see them represent the NFC.

[DomCasual]

Chicago looks scary good right now.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chicago and Dallas will play in the NFC Championship. And Chicago will rape Dallas.

I believe the Bears are on another level when compared to the rest of the NFC.

[Taco John]

All I know is that I wish we had Green Bay, Detroit, and Minnesota in our division right now, and I'm pretty thankful that we don't have to face Cinci and Pittsburgh twice this season.

[Amigo]

As long as Da Bears dont resurrect the Superbowl shuffle i'd like to see them represent the NFC.

ROFL! I actually saw a replay of the Superbowl Shuffle the other day. That was so horrible and wrong. :spit:

[NaptownChief]

I voted Baltimore on the strength of McNair's experience vs. Rex Grossman's inexperience. I think if the two teams met up, Baltimore would eek out a win.


Baltimore eeked out a win against a very bad Browns squad...If it weren't for poor coaching decision at the end of the game the Browns win...and they are pretty bad.

Pretty tough to put Baltimore ahead of the Bears....

[Iowanian]

I think its Chicago by a good margin.

Chicago has a superior defense, great Dline, Excellent LBs and a solid Secondary. They're offense is much improved and Grossman is throwing the ball well, to go with a solid running game. Chicago is built for NFC post season success this year.

Baltimore has a solid Defense, but they're struggling in the run game, and while McNair is an improvement to their passing game, he's not a huge threat.

Indy has a great passing attack, but a questionable Running game and defense, which will hurt them when its getting later in the season.

[Drek]

The Colts have beaten the best competition, but its three decent teams and one bad team, and the bad team was the only one they beat by more than a touchdown, still allowing 24 points to them in the process. Until Manning proves he's anything but a choker they'll continue to be, in the immortal words of Lee Flowers, PAPER CHAMPIONS.

The Ravens have played pretty much all cupcakes until the Chargers, who will never be a serious team as long as they're playing Marty Ball. Weak offense and I think their D is overrated, they're very good but they aren't as good as they once where. I think we'll do well against them in Denver this upcoming Sunday.

The Bears have beaten a team comprable to the Chargers in the Vikings, and did it on the road. They stomped mudholes in Green Bay and Detroit, like they were supposed to, and this past weekend just did the same to Seattle, who even without Alexander is a damn good team. They've put points up on good teams and they've shut down every offense they've faced.

Yeah, I'll take the Bears.

[Taco John]

Baltimore eeked out a win against a very bad Browns squad...If it weren't for poor coaching decision at the end of the game the Browns win...and they are pretty bad.

Pretty tough to put Baltimore ahead of the Bears....


It was a close call for me, but looking at the Bear's cakewalk schedule, and the doubts I have about Grossman down the stretch, I think Baltimore is better built to go deep into the playoffs than Chicago is...

[Mile High Shack]

the Bears easily
they slaugthered a very good seahawk team, even w/o Alexander

If their offense can put up 20 points a game, they are going to be really really hard to beat

[watermock]

Minnesota had the Bears beaten dead to right before Taylor fumbled and then Johnson threw a pick. They gave up a 17 point lead in the last 6 minutes.

Chicago is a good team, but I'm not impressed with any NFC team. Trust me, Minnesota had that game won dead to right.

[Iowanian]

The bears just embarrassed the defending NFC Champs last night. Whipped them in every sense of the word.

Grossman is working on a very good season so far.
Indy just about lost to the Jets yesterday, but they're offense pulled it out in the end. They're probably 2nd on that list.

[BroncsRule]

Besides, B'more will only be undefeated for another 5 days anyway.

[Crushaholic]

The Bears have the right combination of good offense and defense to go a long ways. If Grossman stays healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see them play in February.

[WABronco]

Minnesota had the Bears beaten dead to right before Taylor fumbled and then Johnson threw a pick. They gave up a 17 point lead in the last 6 minutes.

Chicago is a good team, but I'm not impressed with any NFC team. Trust me, Minnesota had that game won dead to right.

Agreed.

Any given Sunday people. Chicago was amped up and came to play. If they played like they did last night for the rest of the season, they'll be without question one of the greatest team in NFL history. Week 4 people...week 4.

[Taco John]

the Bears easily
they slaugthered a very good seahawk team, even w/o Alexander

If their offense can put up 20 points a game, they are going to be really really hard to beat


I'd be more impressed with that win if Seattle had Alexander in. I was on the road, so I didn't see the game. Maybe my opinion would be different if I had, but without Alexander in there, it's hard to look too deep into that one.

[illini2187]

Of course I am biased, but i will also go with Da Bears. Still not running the ball great, but i think it will come around. The game at Foxboro will tell a lot more about this team.

BTW, who do the Broncos play next week? It's a night game isn't it?

[BroncoMatt]

Of course I am biased, but i will also go with Da Bears. Still not running the ball great, but i think it will come around. The game at Foxboro will tell a lot more about this team.

BTW, who do the Broncos play next week? It's a night game isn't it?

Monday night against baltimore

[WABronco]

Of course I am biased, but i will also go with Da Bears. Still not running the ball great, but i think it will come around. The game at Foxboro will tell a lot more about this team.

BTW, who do the Broncos play next week? It's a night game isn't it?

Do you guys have any tough games on the left?

[illini2187]

@ Giants and @ Patriots are the toughest remaining games, and that isn't saying much.

[Old Dude]

Right now, it's the Bears. Superb Defense and Special Teams.

Opponents are still keying up against the run, trying to make Grossman beat them through the aiir, and he's doing it with gusto.

They are also helped by an improved receiving corps. Minor improvements, but ...

Musin was supposedly nagged by injuries last year, but kept quiet about it. Desmond Clark worked hard and trimmed down in the off season and that helped too. Berrian seems to be emerging.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'd be more impressed with that win if Seattle had Alexander in. I was on the road, so I didn't see the game. Maybe my opinion would be different if I had, but without Alexander in there, it's hard to look too deep into that one.

You mean the guy who's averaging 2.9 yards per carry this season? Something tells me that his impact on the game would have been minimal.

[NaptownChief]

Until Manning proves he's anything but a choker they'll continue to be, in the immortal words of Lee Flowers, PAPER CHAMPIONS.




Yeah he was out there choking it up in the clutch again yesterday with two game winning drives to bail out his bad defense and special teams coverage...

Maybe someday he can become a non-choking Super Bowl Champ like Big Ben who went 9-21 for 123 yards 0 TD's and 2 INT's in the Super Bowl...

Manning is the only QB in the league that could post the number of wins he has posted while being saddle with a poor defense the vast majority of his career. And he really lays down in the playoffs to bad teams... Considering it has taken the Super Bowl Champions to knock him out the last three years. :oyvey:

[PatsWin2002]

The Colts have beaten the best competition, but its three decent teams and one bad team, and the bad team was the only one they beat by more than a touchdown, still allowing 24 points to them in the process. Until Manning proves he's anything but a choker they'll continue to be, in the immortal words of Lee Flowers, PAPER CHAMPIONS.


Apparently you don't like 250 lb. quarterbacks with a laser, rocket arm. :clown:

[BlaK-Argentina]

Yeah he was out there choking it up in the clutch again yesterday with two game winning drives to bail out his bad defense and special teams coverage...

Maybe someday he can become a non-choking Super Bowl Champ like Big Ben who went 9-21 for 123 yards 0 TD's and 2 INT's in the Super Bowl...

Manning is the only QB in the league that could post the number of wins he has posted while being saddle with a poor defense the vast majority of his career. And he really lays down in the playoffs to bad teams... Considering it has taken the Super Bowl Champions to knock him out the last three years. :oyvey:

As much as it pains me to say this... you're right.

And for all the hate I have for Manning... if he was our QB right now, we would win at the very least, two SBs in the next five years.

Back to the topic...

I think the Bears are the best undefeated team remaining. The way they beat Seattle was impressive.

I watched the Ravens game yesterday and they don't look nearly as good as there record.

The Colts look a lot worse without Edge back there... though they are still better than the Ravens.

[Taco John]

You mean the guy who's averaging 2.9 yards per carry this season? Something tells me that his impact on the game would have been minimal.



Last I checked, he was still the reigning NFL MVP, and a beast in the red zone. I have to believe that he'd at least made an impact in that game, even if it was in a loss.

I think we'll probably get a chance to see that matchup again.

[TXBRONC]

Right now its the Da Bears.

[Clockwork Orange]

Last I checked, he was still the reigning NFL MVP, and a beast in the red zone. I have to believe that he'd at least made an impact in that game, even if it was in a loss.

I think we'll probably get a chance to see that matchup again.

What he did last year is irrelevant to what he would have been able to do last night. Alexander hasn't been anything resembling an impact player this season, and that's against mighty opponents like Detroit and Arizona. But he was somehow going to be a difference maker against the Bears defense? Anything's possible, I suppose, but it's not likely.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think the 1972 Dolphins are safe for another year.
That's really going out on a limb.

[Taco John]

What he did last year is irrelevant to what he would have been able to do last night. Alexander hasn't been anything resembling an impact player this season, and that's against mighty opponents like Detroit and Arizona. But he was somehow going to be a difference maker against the Bears defense? Anything's possible, I suppose, but it's not likely.


Alexander often gets off to a slow start, only to turn around and rip off a 4 touchdown game. I don't know that he'd have done it against Chicago, but he's the most important player on the Seahawks team, and yes, the reigning NFL MVP. You can marginalize that accomplishment, but you can't marginalize how important he is for the Seattle team. Without him, they're one dimensional, and Chicago can just pin back their ears and go after Hasselback and force him to make mistakes. At the very least, with Alexander in there, the Bears have to account for the running game, potentially opening things up downfield for Hass.

I'm not saying that the Seahawks would have won... I'm just saying I think the Chicago hype is a little tainted by the quality of their opponents. Seattle was the first real test they've had, and it was a test that came against a team missing their most important player... the guy who was voted to be the most valuable player in the league last year.

I think Chicago has a fine team, especially in that conference, and that they'll be in the post season. But I think they're over-rated, and because of their cakewalk schedule in that pattycake division, they will go into the playoffs largely untested.

[WABronco]

You mean the guy who's averaging 2.9 yards per carry this season? Something tells me that his impact on the game would have been minimal.

Pretty much...

[Clockwork Orange]

Alexander often gets off to a slow start, only to turn around and rip off a 4 touchdown game. I don't know that he'd have done it against Chicago, but he's the most important player on the Seahawks team, and yes, the reigning NFL MVP. You can marginalize that accomplishment, but you can't marginalize how important he is for the Seattle team. Without him, they're one dimensional, and Chicago can just pin back their ears and go after Hasselback and force him to make mistakes. At the very least, with Alexander in there, the Bears have to account for the running game, potentially opening things up downfield for Hass.

I'm not saying that the Seahawks would have won... I'm just saying I think the Chicago hype is a little tainted by the quality of their opponents. Seattle was the first real test they've had, and it was a test that came against a team missing their most important player... the guy who was voted to be the most valuable player in the league last year.

I think Chicago has a fine team, especially in that conference, and that they'll be in the post season. But I think they're over-rated, and because of their cakewalk schedule in that pattycake division, they will go into the playoffs largely untested.

I'm not marginalizing what Alexander did last year, I'm saying that it's irrelevant to last night's game. You think that Bears defense was going to be pissing down their legs because, "Oh no! Last year's league MVP is here!" I'm gonna go ahead and say no. A physical defense like Chicago's isn't going to be intimidated by a softie like Alexander.

If you want to make a case that Seattle isn't what they were a year ago, you're right. Seattle plays in a weak division themselves and watched the key cog in their running game shuffle off to Minnesota in the offseason. They've been desperately attempting to overcompensate by bringing in people like Nate Burleson and Deion Branch. Unfortunately, that's not going to do Shaun Alexander much good because none of those guys are gonna open holes for him like Hutchinson did.

Think what you will, I know what I saw on the field last night and Seattle was simply outclassed in every phase of the game.

[Taco John]

I'm not marginalizing what Alexander did last year, I'm saying that it's irrelevant to last night's game. You think that Bears defense was going to be pissing down their legs because, "Oh no! Last year's league MVP is here!" I'm gonna go ahead and say no. A physical defense like Chicago's isn't going to be intimidated by a softie like Alexander.


I sure didn't say they'd be pissing down their legs. I just think that Seattle is a better team with Alexander than they are without him. How could anybody NOT think that?

[Clockwork Orange]

I sure didn't say they'd be pissing down their legs. I just think that Seattle is a better team with Alexander than they are without him. How could anybody NOT think that?

Yes, they're better with him. Enough to beat Chicago last night? Not even close.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

A physical defense like Chicago's isn't going to be intimidated by a softie like Alexander.

Yeah, any "softie" can run for 8,000 yards and 90 TDs in the NFL. ::)

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah, any "softie" can run for 8,000 yards and 90 TDs in the NFL. ::)

When they've got the likes of Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson clearing one side of the line for them, they can.

I'm not saying he's not talented, I'm saying that he goes down on first contact a lot and doesn't break a whole lot of tackles.

[RhymesayersDU]

Daaaa Bearsssss!

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9805/28/hartman.snl/farley.jpg

[Taco John]

Yes, they're better with him. Enough to beat Chicago last night? Not even close.

...

I have to believe that he'd at least made an impact in that game, even if it was in a loss.



I'm not saying that the Seahawks would have won... I'm just saying I think the Chicago hype is a little tainted by the quality of their opponents. Seattle was the first real test they've had, and it was a test that came against a team missing their most important player...

[Rock Chalk]

I really dont see how Taco can justify being right on this. Bmore has not been dominant in any of their wins.

The Bears, on national TV, just creamed the living crap out of the defending NFC champs. Sans Alexander, I know. The same guy who has been largely ineffective. TJ says "He's still a beast in the redzone" but, how many times did they get to that redzone in that game anyway? Ok then.

I think the Bears are going to the Superbowl only to have their Nferior Football Conference asses handed to them by OUR Denver Broncos.

Meanwhile, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then and KC got a win.

[Circle Orange]

NFC? Right now, gotta go with da Bears in Chi-town.
AFC? Hmm, Colts got their usual cupcake early schedule...still think the Chargers in the mix. Not sold on Ravens...Steelers overhyped...Cincy's still a tease. Dolphins look lost. I dunno, the AFC needs a few more weeks to get sorted out.

[Cito Pelon]

I really dont see how Taco can justify being right on this. Bmore has not been dominant in any of their wins.

The Bears, on national TV, just creamed the living crap out of the defending NFC champs. Sans Alexander, I know. The same guy who has been largely ineffective. TJ says "He's still a beast in the redzone" but, how many times did they get to that redzone in that game anyway? Ok then.

I think the Bears are going to the Superbowl only to have their Nferior Football Conference asses handed to them by OUR Denver Broncos.

Meanwhile, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then and KC got a win.

Ya just never know, eh? Alexander has been ridden like a rented mule for three straight seasons by Holmgren, got pounded into the middle with a 4 TD lead when he went into the game limping. The two defending Conf Champs have been stripped nekked and paraded. Early favorites like the Fins and Panthers are struggling. It's gonna take about 12 more weeks to sort this out, and then it's the same as it ever has been - the team that goes on a roll in the playoffs takes the Big Prizes.

[JBucc]

I'm totally on the Bears bandwagon. Even with Alexander the Seahags stood no chance. I don't know what the fluk happened in the offseason but suddenly their passing attack is sometimes overagressive. I don't see anyone standing up to them come playoff time except maybe the Panthers if Smith can do a repeat of last year's game.

[Taco John]

I really dont see how Taco can justify being right on this. Bmore has not been dominant in any of their wins.

The Bears, on national TV, just creamed the living crap out of the defending NFC champs. Sans Alexander, I know. The same guy who has been largely ineffective. TJ says "He's still a beast in the redzone" but, how many times did they get to that redzone in that game anyway? Ok then.

I think the Bears are going to the Superbowl only to have their Nferior Football Conference asses handed to them by OUR Denver Broncos.

Meanwhile, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then and KC got a win.



Justify being right? Huh? I don't honestly even care if I'm right. I don't know how anyone could claim to be right or wrong on this question at this point. It's all rhetorical until the two teams meet, and with any luck, that'll never happen.

[REB]

It was between the Colts and Da Bears for me but I'm of the belief that Defense wins championships and Manning falters when pressure is applied which of course the Bears can do. So Da Bears.

[Steve Sewell]

Would have to go Chicago. Their D is playing great and right now their offense is looking pretty good.

Baltimore's offense doesn't look anything special and Indy's defense doesn't looking anything special.

I hate Indy but they would absolutely KILL the Bears, IMO. The Bears are fortunate in that they are in the NFC North and the NFC in general. the NFC is still the JV League in the NFL.

[-Slap-]

Grossman looks all world. i never expected this kind of season from him.

tick...tick...tick...tick...tick...http://z.about.com/d/p/440/e/f/1672.jpg

[listopencil]

Chicago if Grossman stays healthy, followed by Indy then the Ravens.

[Archie]

Hmm, I can see I'm in the minority. Ok - Chicago has looked just amazing and their shallacking of Seattle was outstanding. If I were just going by the 3 games I would give it to Chicago. But - I'm not. I'm going with some history and I think Indy has to remain the #1 team of these undefeated. They have not looked like world beaters just yet but they have shown both Defensive fortitude and an ability to play from behind and improvise.

My vote, regretably, goes Indy.

[-Slap-]

I voted for Chicago because **** Indy and Baltimore.

[Sassy]

Hey Archie...check your user notes!

[Taco John]

I voted for Chicago because **** Indy and Baltimore.

To tell you the truth, I think so did everybody else! LOL

[Archie]

Hey Archie...check your user notes!

I'm confused?

[DenverSportsFan4]

Colts. The Ravens are a bit overrated IMO... I still think they have been a fluke so far this year.

[Sassy]

Go to your profile and click on usernotes...or are you confused about the note I left there???

[Archie]

Go to your profile and click on usernotes...or are you confused about the note I left there???

ah... introduced to a new feature :)..... I got it... (response in PM)