View Full Version : Bob Woodward's new book
Gonna have to go buy this one, it already has all the so-called 'pundits' talking.
BroncoBuff
09-30-2006, 10:11 AM
Post-Intelligencer has some intersting tid-bits this morning, including that:
Andrew Card tried very hard to have Rumsfeld fired. Card admitted he told Woodward he twice counselled Bush to fire Rumsfeld, but denies the "very hard" characterization. The book says that even Laura Bush agreed with this, and Powell, and Rice, and Stephen Hadley, and apparently everybody ...
Rumsfeld had to be Ordered to return Condoleeza Rice's phone calls.
No denial from the WH or Pentagon. Funny, who has the authority to order Rumsfeld? The Commander-in-Chimp only, right? .... very interesting.
Abizaid said Rumsfeld had "zero accountability." Abizaid denies he said this.
Rumsfeld and Bush were asked for 40,000 more troops to secure Baghdad early on. Pretty much already known. Bush has consistently denied thst such requests were ever made ...
Henry Kissinger has told Bush that "the only exit strategy is victory." The shocker here - to me is that Bush has asked anybody's advice. The WH acknowledges Kissinger has given advice, and he's been quoted elsewhere and has written op-eds saying this.
The book reports that then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card twice suggested Bush fire Rumsfeld and replace him with former Secretary of State James Baker, first after the November 2004 election and again around Thanksgiving 2005. Card had the support of then-Secretary of State Colin Powell and his successor, Condoleezza Rice, national-security adviser Stephen Hadley and senior White House adviser Michael Gerson, according to the book.
First lady Laura Bush also reportedly told Card she agreed Rumsfeld had become a liability for her husband, although she noted the president did not agree. But Vice President Dick Cheney and senior Bush adviser Karl Rove argued against dumping Rumsfeld, and Bush agreed, according to Woodward.
The book claims Rumsfeld alienated key figures throughout the government and military. It says Rice complained Rumsfeld would not return her telephone calls, forcing Bush to intervene; that when Card conveyed Bush's order to send National Guard troops to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, Rumsfeld wouldn't do it until hearing from the president himself; and that Gen. John Abizaid, the senior U.S. commander in the Middle East, concluded "Rumsfeld doesn't have any credibility anymore."
In addition, the book says Cheney was so eager to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that his office would contact David Kay, then the United Nations' chief weapons inspector, with satellite surveillance reports and other intelligence tips on where such weapons caches might be located.
None was found, and Kay told Congress in January 2004 that U.S. intelligence on former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's efforts to obtain chemical and biological weapons had been "dead wrong."
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-30-2006, 10:27 AM
Henry Kissinger has told Bush that "the only exit strategy is victory." The shocker here - to me is that Bush has asked anybody's advice. The WH acknowledges Kissinger has given advice, and he's been quoted elsewhere and has written op-eds saying this.
Ha ha ha! :laugh:
It's like a class reunion.
Kissinger, Negroponte, Abrams - all the old Iran-Contra players and daddy's friends are in the house.
Who's going to show up next?
Ollie North? :laugh:
SteveTensi13
09-30-2006, 10:38 AM
Gee, I guess Woodward had to get back into the good graces of the liberal media establishment after his other pro-Bush book.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-30-2006, 10:43 AM
Gee, I guess Woodward had to get back into the good graces of the liberal media establishment after his other pro-Bush book.
:laugh:
"Pro-Bush" book?
What book was that?
Surely you don't mean this one?
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/074325547X.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_V64661094_.jpg
BroncoBuff
09-30-2006, 10:46 AM
The book reports that then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card twice suggested Bush fire Rumsfeld and replace him with former Secretary of State James Baker ... But Vice President Dick Cheney and senior Bush adviser Karl Rove argued against dumping Rumsfeld, and Bush agreed, according to Woodward.
Sad. When political considerations (Rove, Cheney) trump what's best for "our boys," the world as we know it dies just a little ...
BroncoBuff
09-30-2006, 10:47 AM
:laugh:
"Pro-Bush" book?
What book was that?
Surely you don't mean this one?
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/074325547X.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_V64661094_.jpg
I read that book in aorund July 2004 .... I wouldn't say it was PRO-Bush ... but it DEFINITELY WAS NOT anti-Bush either.
clarker
09-30-2006, 12:10 PM
I have read alot of Woodward's book and he doesn't set out to be pro or anti anything. He goes where the facts are.
He is a stickler about having at Least two sources for any claims in his books.
Even in Watergate he and Berstien(SP?) would not directly say that Nixon was involved until they had at least two sources putting Nixon in the room when the plans of the cover up were made. I think they felt that was the case but until they had sources to back up their theory they wouldn't print.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-30-2006, 09:58 PM
I read that book in aorund July 2004 .... I wouldn't say it was PRO-Bush ... but it DEFINITELY WAS NOT anti-Bush either.
He does expose a lot of the slight of hand that was going on behind the scenes during the bush junta's selling of Operation Iraqi Handjob.
Spider
09-30-2006, 10:06 PM
I will read Woodwards book if it comes with Pictures ..........
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2006, 01:06 AM
This just in:
Bush Misleads On Iraq
By Bob Woodward
Bob Woodward says that Bush has not told the truth regarding the level of violence in Iraq.
He also reveals key intelligence that predicts the insurgency will grow worse next year.
Wallace tells 60 Minutes this Sunday that Henry Kissinger is advising Bush.
Woodward sats insurgent attacks against coalition troops occur, on average, every 15 minutes, a shocking fact the administration has kept secret. "It's getting to the point now where there are eight-, nine-hundred attacks a week. That's more than 100 a day. That is four an hour," says Woodward.
The situation is getting much worse, says Woodward, despite what the White House and the Pentagon are saying in public. "The truth is that the assessment by intelligence experts is that next year, 2007,
is going to get worse and, in public, you have the president and you have the Pentagon [saying], 'Oh, no, things are going to get better,'" he tells Wallace. "Now there's public, and then there's private. But what did they do with the private? They stamp it secret. No one is supposed to know," says Woodward.
"The insurgents know what they are doing. They know the level of violence and how effective they are. Who doesn't know? The American public," Woodward tells Wallace.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/28/60minutes/main2047607.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2047607
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Atlas
10-02-2006, 01:19 AM
Gee, I guess Woodward had to get back into the good graces of the liberal media establishment after his other pro-Bush book.
so you are saying what Woodward says are lies??
One of the most respected reporters EVER??
Tensi, sometimes you just need to look at the facts and realize you are wrong and admit it and people will think better of you.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2006, 01:22 AM
Tensi, sometimes you just need to look at the facts and realize you are wrong and admit it and people will think better of you.
Being a republican and a GeeDubya supporter means never having to say you're sorry or admit you're wrong about anything.
Rohirrim
10-02-2006, 08:37 AM
One of the real nasty little bits of reporting that Woodward does in this book is to reveal that in July of 2001, Tenet tried desperately to warn Condi that terrorists were determined to attack the U.S. and he got the "brush-off." Now she denies it.
After the Bush cabal is finally tossed to the curb, historians should have a contest for "Worst Liar of the Bush Regime." I think "Mushroom Cloud" Condi would win. Hands down.
BroncoBuff
10-02-2006, 10:41 AM
MORE BOMBSHELLS from "State of Denial"
On Imus this morning... apparently the book details, with no less a source than Brent Scowcroft - that daddy George is "crushed," even apoplectic over his son's invasion of Iraq. It is SO SAD how the "good Republicans," ie: Colin Powell, George Sr., Rudy Giuliani, keep getting steamrolled by this theocratic megalomaniacal power-mad cabal.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2006, 07:42 PM
MORE BOMBSHELLS from "State of Denial"
On Imus this morning... apparently the book details, with no less a source than Brent Scowcroft - that daddy George is "crushed," even apoplectic over his son's invasion of Iraq. It is SO SAD how the "good Republicans," ie: Colin Powell, George Sr., Rudy Giuliani, keep getting steamrolled by this theocratic megalomaniacal power-mad cabal.
It's a shame Incurious George doesn't read books.
If Dim Son had only read Poppy's memoir "A World Transformed," we might not be in this Iraq mess today.
"Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
- George H. W. Bush
gunns
10-02-2006, 08:36 PM
One of the real nasty little bits of reporting that Woodward does in this book is to reveal that in July of 2001, Tenet tried desperately to warn Condi that terrorists were determined to attack the U.S. and he got the "brush-off." Now she denies it.
After the Bush cabal is finally tossed to the curb, historians should have a contest for "Worst Liar of the Bush Regime." I think "Mushroom Cloud" Condi would win. Hands down.
She's a much better puppet than Powell was.