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Bronco_Beerslug

09-29-2006, 04:09 PM

Why would he resign if he did nothing wrong?

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Foley resigns from Congress over e-mails
By DAVID ESPO and JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writers 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record), R-Fla., resigned from Congress on Friday, effective immediately, in the wake of questions about e-mails he wrote a former teenage male page.

"I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent," he said in a statement issued by his office.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060929/capt.fdbb4b0139124dcb852e3730af75fddf.congressman_ e_mails_wx109.jpg?x=250&y=345&sig=qsiHUcxYNTmfhqB9_KKquw--
Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla. speaks at a news conference in Tallahassee, Fla. in this March 16, 2004 file photo. Foley submitted a letter of resignation from Congress on Friday in the wake of questions about e-mails he wrote a former male page, according to a congressional official. (AP Photo/Phil Coale, File)

The two-sentence statement did not refer to the e-mails and gave no reason for Foley's abrupt decision to abandon a flourishing career in Congress.

Foley, 52, had been a shoo-in for a new term until the e-mail correspondence surfaced in recent days.

His resignation comes less than six weeks before the elections and further complicates the political landscape for Republicans, who are fighting to retain control of Congress. Democrats need to win a net of 15 Republican seats to regain the power they lost in 1994.

Florida Republicans planned to meet as soon as Monday to name a replacement in Foley's district, which President Bush won with 55 percent in 2004 and is now in play for November.

Campaign aides had previously acknowledged that the Republican congressman e-mailed the former Capitol page five times, but had said there was nothing inappropriate about the exchange. The page was 16 at the time of the e-mail correspondence.

House Speaker
Dennis Hastert said he had asked the chairman of the House's page board, Rep. John Shimkus (news, bio, voting record), R-Ill., to investigate the page system. "We want to make sure that all our pages are safe and the page system is safe," Hastert said.

He said Foley submitted the letter of resignation to Florida Gov.
Jeb Bush and submitted a copy to him. A House clerk read Foley's resignation on the House floor.

"He's done the right thing," Hastert said. Asked if the chain of events was disturbing, he said, "None of us are very happy about it."

Foley, who represents an area around Palm Beach County, e-mailed the page in August 2005. The page had worked for Rep. Rodney Alexander (news, bio, voting record), R-La., and Foley asked him how he was doing after Hurricane Katrina and what he wanted for his birthday. The congressman also asked the boy to send a photo of himself, according to excerpts of the e-mails that were originally released by ABC News.

Foley's aides initially blamed Democratic rival Tim Mahoney and Democrats with attempting to smear the congressman before the election.

The e-mails were posted Friday on Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington's Web site after ABC News reported their existence. The group asked the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct to investigate the exchange Foley had with the boy, who served as a page for Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La.

"The House of Representatives has an obligation to protect the teenagers who come to Congress to learn about the legislative process," the group wrote, adding that the committee, "must investigate any allegation that a page has been subjected to sexual advances by members of the House."

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SteveTensi13

09-29-2006, 04:32 PM

loborugger

09-29-2006, 04:38 PM

I dont know about that... DeLay didnt go without a fight.

But you are correct - honor is a lost virtue in the modern political arena.

elsid13

09-29-2006, 05:55 PM

Honorable my ass. The honorable thing to do wasn't to try creep on teenage boy. Why do I feel that there is more to the story, where are the Floridia Cops on this.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-29-2006, 06:19 PM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party. Unlike most democrats who scratch, claw and fight to maintain power, the country be damned, they will stay to the last ounce of fight.

Yeah, the deflection you're trying to create here is really "honorable" too. :pity:

In any case, I'm sure everyone here would love to see your list of Democrats in Congress who have been sexually inappropriate with 16 year-old male pages.

As skilled (and motivated) as people like you are when it comes to probing the sex lives of Democrats, this should be a piece of cake for you.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-29-2006, 06:21 PM

Why would he resign if he did nothing wrong?

Another republican makes Spider's list.

ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former teenage male pages. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page: "Do I make you a little horny?"

In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get naked."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_go_co/congressman_e_mails

24champ

09-29-2006, 06:25 PM

Honorable my ass. The honorable thing to do wasn't to try creep on teenage boy. Why do I feel that there is more to the story, where are the Floridia Cops on this.

Agreed, I don't like this one bit and Foley should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if authorities find evidence of any kind.

Bronco_Beerslug

09-29-2006, 06:53 PM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party. Unlike most democrats who scratch, claw and fight to maintain power, the country be damned, they will stay to the last ounce of fight.
Your blind allegiance to party and your bigoted views condoning a possible sexual relationship with a minor doesn't bode well for you as a human being.

sisterhellfyre

09-29-2006, 07:09 PM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party. Unlike most democrats who scratch, claw and fight to maintain power, the country be damned, they will stay to the last ounce of fight.

Rah, rah, right --
scratch, claw, fight!

-- Rep. Bob Nay, R-Ohio
(who refuses to resign his seat after pleading guilty
to felony bribery charges)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-29-2006, 07:10 PM

Rah, rah, right --
scratch, claw, fight!

-- Rep. Bob Nay, R-Ohio
(who refuses to resign his seat after pleading guilty
to felony bribery charges)

Yep.

Nothing like a cop like Tensi who always comes down on the side of these crooks, eh?

fido

09-30-2006, 03:15 AM

maven

09-30-2006, 04:54 AM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party.

:oyvey:

What are you talking about? This is Dateline: Sexual predator congress edition. Regardless of party, Foley & honorable should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Foley is trying to run as far away as possible from this scandal. He will be lucky if he's not prosecuted.

maven

09-30-2006, 04:57 AM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party. Unlike most democrats who scratch, claw and fight to maintain power, the country be damned, they will stay to the last ounce of fight.

The war, religion, and politics thread is a different sort of breed. Do you, and some of you others, ever post in the broncos forum?

Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-30-2006, 05:30 AM

:oyvey:

What are you talking about? This is Dateline: Sexual predator congress edition. Regardless of party, Foley & honorable should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Foley is trying to run as far away as possible from this scandal. He will be lucky if he's not prosecuted.

SteveCoulter13 doesn't have a problem with pedophiles and sexual predators - as long as they have an 'R' after their names.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-30-2006, 05:37 AM

It is amazing how quiet the 'christian demographic' is. One of their own got caught, gotta believe though that there is more to this story than is being told. Like the Abramof thing, to much is getting swept under.

Yes, it is amazing how quiet the "Christians" on the board are about this.

They make it a habit to castigate all Muslims for the (supposed) failure of the latter to publicly denounce the actions of Islamic terrorists, but they refuse to denounce one of their own when it comes to this sort of behavior.

spdirty

09-30-2006, 10:04 AM

unbelievable. After his great record protecting missing and exploited children, he does this?? This is like Tom Tancredo getting caught hiding illegal aliens in his house.

He was also one of the first members of congress to blow the whistle on the Dubai Ports deal. He was a damn good congressman. But after this, Im glad he is resigning in shame and if he did anything illegal, hopefully he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Just friggin sucks.

SteveTensi13

09-30-2006, 10:17 AM

The war, religion, and politics thread is a different sort of breed. Do you, and some of you others, ever post in the broncos forum?

Hilarious!

Do you even read or post in the Bronco forum? I post there 3 to 1! LABF, on the hand, rarely if ever posts there. Of his 10,000+ posts I would venture to say only a handful are football related.

The only reason I come here is to laugh at the libs and get my daily dose of the mindset of the liberal. Quite fascinating I must say.

Stuck In Texas

09-30-2006, 11:38 AM

I know that all people are presumed innocent, but there's a large amount of evidence against him. If he did this, and it looks like he did, he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Spider

09-30-2006, 01:32 PM

member of the Morals ,Family Values , Hate gays , caught trying to cornhole a 16 year old boy ........... I wonder where I have heard that before .................

Spider

09-30-2006, 01:34 PM

DBruleU

09-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Yes, it is amazing how quiet the "Christians" on the board are about this.

They make it a habit to castigate all Muslims for the (supposed) failure of the latter to publicly denounce the actions of Islamic terrorists, but they refuse to denounce one of their own when it comes to this sort of behavior.

LOL What the heck do you want us to say?

Tiss Tiss Mr. Foley!

Bronco_Beerslug

09-30-2006, 03:18 PM

LOL What the heck do you want us to say?
Tiss Tiss Mr. Foley!
Yep that's expected response from the religious right. That or nothing at all.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-30-2006, 10:38 PM

The plot thickens...

GOP leaders knew of Foley e-mail in '05

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told Speaker Dennis Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow GOP lawmaker had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy. Hastert's office said aides referred the matter to the proper authorities last fall but they were only told the messages were "over-friendly."

Reynolds, R-N.Y., was told about e-mails sent by Rep. Mark Foley, and is now defending himself from Democratic accusations that he did too little. Foley, R-Fla., resigned Friday after ABC News questioned him about the e-mails to a former congressional page and about sexually suggestive instant messages to other pages.

Continued:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061001/ap_on_go_co/foley_reynolds

Must be hard being a republican these days: Everytime you turn around, there's more criminality you have to make excuses for (and somehow find a way to shift blame to the Democrats.)

Spider

09-30-2006, 10:54 PM

At least he did the honorable thing of resigning. He did it for the good of the country and the party. Unlike most democrats who scratch, claw and fight to maintain power, the country be damned, they will stay to the last ounce of fight.

you should just tell everyone ......... I got a big pecker and it steals alot of blood from my small mind , therefore I cant have a rational thought ... we all know it would be bullshít , but at least it is somthing ..............

Clockwork Orange

09-30-2006, 11:11 PM

LOL What the heck do you want us to say?

Tiss Tiss Mr. Foley!

Let me guess, it's OK so long as he didn't intend to marry the 16 year old boy that he was rubbing one out to over the internet. Gotcha.

DBruleU

10-01-2006, 12:43 AM

Let me guess, it's OK so long as he didn't intend to marry the 16 year old boy that he was rubbing one out to over the internet. Gotcha.

Huh?

I don't speak for him. I have nothing to say on the matter other than I don't agree or condon what he did.

I guess you guessed wrong.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-01-2006, 01:00 AM

I have nothing to say on the matter other than I don't agree or condon what he did.

Riiiiiiight.

No big deal here.

It's not like your boy got caught having consensual sex with an adult female or something really sick and perverted like that.

Move along....nothing to see here.

Clockwork Orange

10-01-2006, 01:05 AM

Huh?

I don't speak for him. I have nothing to say on the matter other than I don't agree or condon what he did.

I guess you guessed wrong.

Thank you for taking the time to say that you don't agree with pedophilia.

I just wonder, had it been a Democrat who'd been exposed as a sick **** online sexual predator, would you "have nothing to say on the matter" then?

Blueflame

10-01-2006, 01:10 AM

Huh?

I don't speak for him. I have nothing to say on the matter other than I don't agree or condon what he did.

I guess you guessed wrong.

OK, so you don't condone what Foley did... which is good. But what about the rest of the Republican Congressional leadership who knew Foley had come on to the underage pages, yet did nothing about it, essentially leaving the fox in charge of henhouse security... is that OK in your book? Just curious....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-01-2006, 01:42 AM

OK, so you don't condone what Foley did... which is good. But what about the rest of the Republican Congressional leadership who knew Foley had come on to the underage pages, yet did nothing about it, essentially leaving the fox in charge of henhouse security... is that OK in your book? Just curious....

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

When it comes to "scandals" that involve consensual sex between a Democrat and an adult female intern, DBruleU doesn't hold back when it comes to expressing his "moral outrage."

But a scandal involving a GOP Congressman/sexual predator/pedophile/homosexual and an accompanying GOP coverup?

Well, that's different.

Atlas

10-01-2006, 01:52 AM

I hate child molester... Sick F uckers.

The kid went to Washington to see how things work there. I guess he learned more than he ever thought he would have.

Spider

10-01-2006, 06:14 AM

you want to see sick ......... Copy of the Emails sent by Rep Sicko .........
This dude is queer as a 3 dollar bill http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_accused_of_sending_sick_emails_0928.ht ml

DBruleU

10-01-2006, 03:34 PM

OK, so you don't condone what Foley did... which is good. But what about the rest of the Republican Congressional leadership who knew Foley had come on to the underage pages, yet did nothing about it, essentially leaving the fox in charge of henhouse security... is that OK in your book? Just curious....

What about them? If it was covered up, I still think the same thing. They are stupid for even trying to cover anything up, and allowing anything like this to happen.

No matter how you want to cut it, I don't agree with pedophilia, and I find it disgusting and sub-human to take part in.

No, it's NOT okay in my book, Flame.

DBruleU

10-01-2006, 03:39 PM

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

When it comes to "scandals" that involve consensual sex between a Democrat and an adult female intern, DBruleU doesn't hold back when it comes to expressing his "moral outrage."

But a scandal involving a GOP Congressman/sexual predator/pedophile/homosexual and an accompanying GOP coverup?

Well, that's different.

Um, what?

Clinton was still as stupid as Foley. They both made huge mistakes, which cost them.

Spider

10-01-2006, 03:55 PM

Um, what?

Clinton was still as stupid as Foley. They both made huge mistakes, which cost them.

Huge difference Bro , Clinton had consentual affair , while Foley is flat out breaking the law , Clintons crime wasnt getting a hummer , that was between him and Hillary personaly I didnt care either way , but what Foley is doing or did is against the law ...........

24champ

10-01-2006, 03:58 PM

Huge difference Bro , Clinton had consentual affair , while Foley is flat out breaking the law , Clintons crime wasnt getting a hummer , that was between him and Hillary personaly I didnt care either way , but what Foley is doing or did is against the law ...........

Yeah I forgot lying to a federal grand jury is not breaking the law in the democrats book.:welcome:

Spider

10-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Yeah I forgot lying to a federal grand jury is not breaking the law in the democrats book.:welcome:
what part of getting a blow job wasnt Bill Clintons crime you didnt pick up on ?
:yayaya:

Spider

10-01-2006, 04:12 PM

I was talking about the sexual acts , getting a Hummer off of a woman is somthing we all have done , flirting with 16 year old boys isnt .....

24champ

10-01-2006, 04:19 PM

what part of getting a blow job wasnt Bill Clintons crime you didnt pick up on ?
:yayaya:

Yeah I know but it led to a crime obviously what Foley did was much worse.

24champ

10-01-2006, 04:20 PM

I was talking about the sexual acts , getting a Hummer off of a woman is somthing we all have done
really so you could have more kids on the horizon eh spider? Jk bro.;D

Spider

10-01-2006, 04:22 PM

Yeah I know but it led to a crime obviously what Foley did was much worse.

actualy Clinton let it lead to a crime ....... But then if I were in His shoes , I would have tried the Jedi Mind trick also , Wives have a way of getting even .....;D ... I see a pretty waitress that flirts with me , 1 st thing that pops into my mind is ................How much is Child support for 6 love making trophies ?

Blueflame

10-01-2006, 05:59 PM

What about them? If it was covered up, I still think the same thing. They are stupid for even trying to cover anything up, and allowing anything like this to happen.

No matter how you want to cut it, I don't agree with pedophilia, and I find it disgusting and sub-human to take part in.

No, it's NOT okay in my book, Flame.

"If" it was covered up? The fact is that several of the high-ranking Republican leaders did know Foley was preying on the Congressional pages more than a year ago, yet did nothing to protect the pages from a known sexual predator. It certainly appears that they put their party (and the upcoming midterm elections) ahead of the welfare of teenagers.

Yes, Foley's actions were disgusting... but equally disgusting is the Republican leadership's lack of concern over inappropriate... perhaps even criminal... actions that they knew their colleague was committing. They are not blameless in this scandal because their lack of action enabled the inappropriate behavior to continue.

24champ

10-01-2006, 06:30 PM

"If" it was covered up? The fact is that several of the high-ranking Republican leaders did know Foley was preying on the Congressional pages more than a year ago, yet did nothing to protect the pages from a known sexual predator. It certainly appears that they put their party (and the upcoming midterm elections) ahead of the welfare of teenagers.

Yes, Foley's actions were disgusting... but equally disgusting is the Republican leadership's lack of concern over inappropriate... perhaps even criminal... actions that they knew their colleague was committing. They are not blameless in this scandal because their lack of action enabled the inappropriate behavior to continue.

Flame should the parents be subject to criminal charges as well if they knew about it for some time?

Blueflame

10-01-2006, 07:04 PM

Flame should the parents be subject to criminal charges as well if they knew about it for some time?

If one knows a sexual predator has targeted one's child, imho, the correct avenue of response is to report it to the authorities, even if the predator is a U.S. Congressman. Yes, it is a parent's responsibility to protect their child from the advances of a 50+ year old man and if they failed to do so, then I do believe they should answer for that. However, we do not know what actions they may have taken when they learned of the inappropriate communications. For example, do we know for a fact that they didn't close their son's email account or take other actions to make him inaccessible to Foley? ???

A powerful politician can be a daunting enemy... if they protected their child in other ways, but were afraid of Foley and his $$ and power, then perhaps that's somewhat understandable. The teenager's physical and emotional well-being is what's most important here, although the failure to report the incident to the authorities did leave Foley free to re-offend with other pages.

DBruleU

10-01-2006, 07:07 PM

"If" it was covered up? The fact is that several of the high-ranking Republican leaders did know Foley was preying on the Congressional pages more than a year ago, yet did nothing to protect the pages from a known sexual predator. It certainly appears that they put their party (and the upcoming midterm elections) ahead of the welfare of teenagers.

Yes, Foley's actions were disgusting... but equally disgusting is the Republican leadership's lack of concern over inappropriate... perhaps even criminal... actions that they knew their colleague was committing. They are not blameless in this scandal because their lack of action enabled the inappropriate behavior to continue.

Agreed. I'm disappointed in this entire situation. These types of things are happening in both parites, and it's pathetic that people like Foley even represent the public.

Blueflame

10-01-2006, 07:30 PM

Agreed. I'm disappointed in this entire situation. These types of things are happening in both parites, and it's pathetic that people like Foley even represent the public.

It is pathetic that predators represent the public...and it's reprehensible that party leadership... that knows what he is... choose him to head up the committee for missing and exploited children.

I'm not sure I'm buying the claim that "these types of things are happening in both parties" though. If Foley were not a Republican, his misdeeds would never have been covered up like they were by Hastert, Boehner, and Blunt.

Bronco_Beerslug

10-01-2006, 07:42 PM

Agreed. I'm disappointed in this entire situation. These types of things are happening in both parites, and it's pathetic that people like Foley even represent the public.
Really, have any links or reference to back up that statement?

24champ

10-01-2006, 08:02 PM

Really, have any links or reference to back up that statement?

Look up Gerry E. Studds...

Bronco_Beerslug

10-01-2006, 08:12 PM

Look up Gerry E. Studds...Ah, so you found a reference back in 1973 that relates to the present, how? You do understand that there are MANY, MANY, MANY republican politicians who have been accused and or convicted of deviant sexual behavior? Why is that?

Blueflame

10-01-2006, 08:13 PM

Look up Gerry E. Studds...

Um... perhaps we need to post the definition of "is"... the Studds scandal occurred in 1983, over an affair he conducted a decade earlier. There are posters here in the War forum who weren't even born yet.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 12:17 AM

Really, have any links or reference to back up that statement?

Chirp, chirp, chirp...

http://www.petdiscounters.com/files/images/d_3742.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 12:21 AM

Clinton was still as stupid as Foley. They both made huge mistakes, which cost them.

But what Foley did wasn't just a 'mistake' - it was a crime.

Clinton and Monica were both two consenting adults.

And I thought homosexuality was also a sin, according to you.

I'm surprised you're not all over that particular twist. (ROFL! )

Atlas

10-02-2006, 12:30 AM

Maybe it's just me.... I mean I'm one of the most liberal members on this board... next to my King LABF. But to me no matter what party you are from, a representative from Congress, a role model being a child predator is just sickening. It really is!!

This guy wanted ANAL SEX FROM A 16 YEAR OLD BOY!!!!!

Who isn't serious offended by that?!?!?!??!

My heart breaks when I read this sort of sick sh!T.

Maybe I'm just another yellow pansy liberal but things like this affect me.

I can never understand why certain men think a childs anus iss attractive.

The mental damage to these children from these acts can never really be undone.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 12:34 AM

Who isn't serious offended by that?!?!?!??!

Oh, I can think of a few people.

SteveTensi, DBruleU, W*GS, and basically every wingnut on this board.

In order for these types to be 'seriously' offended, Clinton and Monica would have to be involved somehow.

Atlas

10-02-2006, 12:41 AM

Oh, I can think of a few people.

SteveTensi, DBruleU, W*GS, and basically every wingnut on this board.

In order for these types to be 'seriously' offended, Clinton and Monica would have to be involved somehow.

I think W*ngs and DBruleU are offended. SteveTensi well....... he is probably embarrassed by the whole thing.

They might be republican but I don't believe they are sick perverts. As liberal as I am I would rather give control of the congress up to the Republicans rather than having a child molester serving for the Democrats.

I'm sure when W*ngs and DBruleU would look at it the same way.

W*ngs to me even though he has displayed some strange opinions has on many occassions NOT tolled the Republican line. In fact I think his dislike for LABF has actually swayed his opiniuon towards the Repubicans(not a misprint)alot to do with his posts.

W*ngs might think rational it's just that he doesn't want to give LABF any credit!!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 12:44 AM

I think W*ngs and DBruleU are offended.

I'll believe that when I see anything that even begins to equal the same outrage they express re: Clinton and Monica.

Blueflame

10-02-2006, 12:57 AM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 01:56 AM

Let's put it in perspective... Foley's old enough to be these pages' grandfather. "Sick" doesn't begin to describe it.

http://www.bartcop.com/mo-foley906.jpg

Rohirrim

10-02-2006, 09:15 AM

And now Foley has entered alcoholism rehabilitation. Ha! I guess he's preparing the groundwork for mitigation. What he needs now is a conversion. Get reborn, Foley! That'll get you off the hook.

"I have sinned..." blub, blub, blub.

BroncoBuff

10-02-2006, 10:39 AM

I'm listening to the Stephanie Miller show right now ... and I don't know where they're getting this stuff, but she's talking about allegations of a Republican child-boy-prostitution thing going on .... some 10-yr old boy who went missing 20 years ago with the initials JG (they said the name, but I cant grab it) and they say that boy is Jeff Gannon (same initials) ...

anybody?

She wasn't joking.

DBruleU

10-02-2006, 01:40 PM

Oh, I can think of a few people.

SteveTensi, DBruleU, W*GS, and basically every wingnut on this board.

In order for these types to be 'seriously' offended, Clinton and Monica would have to be involved somehow.

What the hell is your problem? Do you not read anything I post? Or do you just interpret everything the way you see fit?

I believe I said that I was disgusted by this whole ordeal, and that I disagree with everything Foley has done. You're the one who made this into a Clinton vs Foley deal, like usual.

You seriously have issues.

DBruleU

10-02-2006, 01:42 PM

I'll believe that when I see anything that even begins to equal the same outrage they express re: Clinton and Monica.

It's been right in front of you since page one.

Blueflame

10-02-2006, 02:31 PM

Traveler

10-02-2006, 03:58 PM

Watched Joe Scarborough on MSNBC this morning. He says it it repulsive what Foley did. Then goes on to point out that Barney Frank and Studds.

Typical of this republican administration ploy of saying that they don't agree with what happening then try to flip the conversation.

My point being is whenever someone doth protest to loudly, it would be in our best interest to make sure (as best we can) there are no skeletons the their closet.

Traveler

10-02-2006, 04:00 PM

alkemical

10-02-2006, 04:06 PM

that whole stone casting thing?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 06:54 PM

What the hell is your problem? Do you not read anything I post? Or do you just interpret everything the way you see fit?

I believe I said that I was disgusted by this whole ordeal, and that I disagree with everything Foley has done. You're the one who made this into a Clinton vs Foley deal, like usual.

You seriously have issues.

You're a liar.

This was your very first post on this thread:

LOL! What the heck do you want us to say?

Tiss Tiss Mr. Foley!

DBruleU

10-02-2006, 07:05 PM

You're a liar.

This was your very first post on this thread:

And my other quotes?

Face it. Your hatred for me and any other republican runs so deep it's disturbing.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 07:13 PM

And my other quotes?

You said you "believed" you stated you were "disgusted" by Foley's actions, but, as I just pointed out, your initial response was the usual, glib "what's the big deal?" kind of thing we've come to expect from you whenever a new GOP scandal or crime is revealed.

Face it. Your hatred for me and any other republican runs so deep it's disturbing.

Hilarious!

I knew it was only a matter of time until you played the "hate" card.

Yeah, everyone who objects to Foley's behavior is just "playing politics" (the Tom DeLay defense.)

That's the ticket.

DBruleU

10-02-2006, 07:22 PM

You said you "believed" you stated you were "disgusted" by Foley's actions, but, as I just pointed out, your initial response was the usual, glib "what's the big deal?" kind of thing we've come to expect from you whenever a new GOP scandal or crime is revealed.

Hilarious!

I knew it was only a matter of time until you played the "hate" card.

Yeah, everyone who objects to Foley's behavior is just "playing politics" (the Tom DeLay defense.)

That's the ticket.

Of course. You must get used to hearing the word "hate." Since that's the only way you come across on this board.

My first post was full of sarcasm, but what I really feel about Foley isn't sarcastic. He's disgusting, and should be thrown in jail.

If it wasn't clear enough in my "initial posting(s)", then for the record, and to put you to rest, I am in favor of prosecuting Foley to the full extent of the law, and he should be thrown in jail for this disgusting act. And the other republicans who helped hide this, or at least tried to, should be dealt with as well, and should not be allowed to get away with this.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-02-2006, 07:27 PM

Of course. You must get used to hearing the word "hate." Since that's the only way you come across on this board.

The only way you "come across" on this board is as a BushCo brownie hound who constantly tries to reduce all criticism of Bush and the GOP to "personal hatred."

My first post was full of sarcasm, but what I really feel about Foley isn't sarcastic. He's disgusting, and should be thrown in jail.

If it wasn't clear enough in my "initial posting(s)", then for the record, and to put you to rest, I am in favor of prosecuting Foley to the full extent of the law, and he should be thrown in jail for this disgusting act. And the other republicans who helped hide this, or at least tried to, should be dealt with as well, and should not be allowed to get away with this.

Now that wasn't so hard, was it? (Even though you had to be shamed into it.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-03-2006, 03:20 AM

Wow! This right-wing shill got smacked down HARD when she tried to spin the Foley scandal...

Cliff Schecter Pummels Right-Wing Mouthpiece

Poor Cleta Mitchell.

When the Republicans dragged her out from under her rock to debate my buddy Cliff Schecter on MSNBC today, they obviously didn’t tell Cleta that the same old tactic of lying, verbal barrages may not work with a new group of strategists and pundits emerging from the Progressive blog community.

When host Norah O'Donnell asked Mitchell about Republicans taking yet another hit on their lack of ethics in the Mark Foley case -- and the resulting cover-up by Republican leaders -- Mitchell ran the standard GOP playbook of deceive and distract by smearing Democrats and implying that this is an isolated case. At which point, she ran into a buzz saw with the ready-and-able Schecter.

Here's Cliff:

"That's just hysterical. I'm not sure what planet you're living on, Cleta…You're saying there's one incident on the Republican side? Let's see, you've got Randy 'Duke' Cunningham who's in prison. You've got Bob Ney who's going to prison. You've got Tom DeLay who's probably going to prison. You've got Bill Frist being investigated for insider trading. You've got Denny Hastert, who covered up what Mark Foley was doing and who's being investigated for it now. You've got Tom Reynolds who covered it up and is being investigated. You've got Bob Corker being investigated in Tennessee over shady land deals.

"You've got George Allen being investigated for the fact that he might have stuffed a deer's head in an African-American couple's mailbox back when he was a younger man. And I could go on and on. Let's see Jack Abramoff. Scooter Libby. You want me to take this whole show? I mean, what a joke, Cleta. What you say is laughable on its face. One person? Your whole party is a party right now that is basically a party of criminals and pedophiles."

I love that last part.

Note to any fellow Democrats going on radio and television between now and election day: That's how it's done.

http://bobgeiger.com/

YouTube version here:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1282

Atlas

10-03-2006, 03:40 AM

Watched Joe Scarborough on MSNBC this morning. He says it is repulsive what Foley did. Then goes on to point out that Barney Frank and Studds also got in trouble with pages.

Typical of this republican administrations ploy of saying they don't agree with what's happening, then try to flip the conversation onto someone or thing else.

My point being is whenever someone doth protest to loudly, it would be in our best interest to make sure (as best we can) there are no skeletons the their closet.

Scarborough was a Republican congressman in Florida and was a close friend to Foley. Oh yeah Scarborough also murdered a woman he was having an affair with and got away with it.

SoCals link:http://www.counterpunch.org/florida2.html

The Stink In Florida:
Saving Jeb By Smearing Columba;
A Dead Republican Intern
By Jack McCarthy
Even the most die-hard media critic "centrist" must concede one thing: the vaunted Republican Party "attack machine," is no myth.

Through intimidation and just plain aggression--as opposed to the passive aggressive liberal democrats--the Republicans set the media agenda in this country.

Two recent examples come to mind.

First is the recent dust up in Florida surrounding allegations of an affair between Jeb Bush and former Playboy bunny and agency czarina, Cynthia Henderson.

Bush's handling of "the rumor" was news management par excellence. This story began with republican insider, "journalist" Bob Novak writing that Jeb most likely would not be running for re-election due to "family problems."

It ended with an article in the July issue of Vanity Fair with Bush spinners portraying Bush's wife as Columba as a hot -tempered Latina woman green eyed and jealous, a party pooper who made life miserable for family man Jeb. And finally a declaration by Jeb that he would indeed run for re-election.

Jeb quashed this troublesome story with not a little help from some of his media friends, who witting or most likely unwittingly, played a role in spiking "the rumor."

When word got around that Vanity Fair magazine was asking questions about the rumors sweeping the capitol, Jeb Bush's media strategist nimbly managed to get out in front of this explosive story. They did so by arranging selective interviews with approved reporters, the Orlando's Mark Silva and the St.Pete Times' Lucy Morgan. (Despite a deserved reputation as a great reporter, Ms. Lucy loves Jeb like that other Lucy loved Ricky Ricardo. After his defeat at the hands of Lawton "He Coon" Chiles in 1992, Morgan wrote a sappy paean to Jeb and lambasted the Florida press for being unfair--which happened not to be true by a long shot.)

Both reporters were proceeded by a heads-up column by pro-Jeb columnist/reporter Bill Cotterell of the Tallahassee Democrat(in fairness, Cotterell has written critically of the Bush administration at times)who wrote a column about "the rumor" and the upcoming Vanity Fair story.

Soon after Cotterell's column, which created quite a buzz around the capitol, and which Bush people initially didn't appreciate, Silva quoted Vanity Fair editor(name?)as saying he doubted the magazines profile of Jeb would deal with the issue at all.

And soon after that NY Daily News' Cindy Adams wrote that
the story on Jeb was put on hold.

Alas the profile of Jeb did finally appear as rumored in the July issue. But Silva and Adams to the contrary, VF writer David Margolis did indeed write about "the rumor."

According to Margolis, the rumor was spread mainly by Republicans, not Democrats as alleged by Morgan in one of her columns. The piece went on to quote sources close to Bush, and who portrayed Bush's wife Columba as pathologically jealous, a step away from the loony bin.

Margolis was duly informed by Jeb spinners that Columba had even verbally attacked another rumored Jeb squeeze, Secretary of State Katherine Harris.

The Bush spinners adeptly put Jeb in a better light by coloring Columba as crazed and jealous.

One had to wonder: where was Christopher Hitchens and other chivalrous fellows who objected so strenuously to the Clintons' use of the same tactics on women rumored to be bedmates of Bill?

When all is said the following one easily comes to the following conclusions:

Before Jeb made a final decision to run, he had to knock down "the rumor." Unsure of what would be reported in Vanity Fair, the Bush media machine leaked all over the place in hopes of fleshing out who knew what. Interesting--is it not--that no one known press critic of Jeb ever wrote a word about the "rumor?"

Finally comfortable in the knowledge that no smoking gun existed, the Bush people neutralized Columba by whispering nasty things about her to Vanity Fair. Jeb, feeling safe now, declared that crazy wife and all, he would run for re-election.

A more striking example of republicans superior news management is the strange case of the dead intern found in the office of Florida republican congressman Joe Scarborough.

As noted in a "special report" in "http://www.Americanpolitics.com", despite the near orgiastic press frenzy surrounding the disappearance of Democrat Gary Condit gal pal Chandra Levy, barely a feather has been ruffled on behalf of the real corpse found on the (Fort Walton)district office floor of Joe Scarborough on July 20th.

Despite initial reports from the controversial coroner in the case, Dr. Michael Berkland,(Berkland's medical examiner license was revoked in Missouri for reporting false information) that Klausutis suffered seizures as a result of an auto accident years ago, the deceased woman's family denies this according to APJ writers Denis Wright and Chris George.

Discrepancies between initial reports and the autopsy have raised suspicions (e.g. Originally Berkland reported no head trauma. The autopsy revealed a bruise on Klausutis' head), and can best be appreciated by reading the APJ piece in its entirety.

But what truly should hit any conscious media/political observer over the head is the discrepancy between media reaction to the Levy case versus the Scarborough affair.

Imagine that Scarborough, who shocked supporters recently by announcing his retirement from congress, and more shock by divorcing his wife, was a democrat. Is their any doubt that the Republican attack machine would have generated a feeding frenzy.

Any doubt that dreadful teams of blond prosecutors, Olson, Alkasne and the hideous Mary Grace of Court TV, would be summoning Scarborough to explain the pretty young corpse on the floor?

Rest assured. The Republican attack machine would be up, running and Joe Scarborough would by now be a household name.

Blueflame

10-03-2006, 03:49 AM

The so-called "liberal" media was much too busy covering Gary Condit's missing intern 24/7 to spare any time whatsoever for the dead girl found in Scarborough's office....

RIP Lori....

alkemical

10-03-2006, 08:46 AM

Do people understand when i say that those in DC "dont live in my america"?

If not, you only need to go over this ****, the haynesworth incident, etc -

I think lisa simpson said it best:

"One nation, under the dollar with liberty and justice for no-one" - and really that is true - when you allow group A to get away with items that groups B,C,D couldn't - you remove justice - and when you remove justice - you remove a pillar of what America is supposed to be.

TheDave

10-03-2006, 09:45 AM

Looks like spider gets to add another one to the "list"...

bendog

10-03-2006, 09:50 AM

Damn I remember when goper Congressmen were just lechers and the dems were really gross. I miss old Dan Crane.

The consensual nature of Crane's encounters with a page girl and Studds' encounters with a page boy were considered no defense at the time. Not when powerful men in their 30s and 40s and teenagers of 17 or younger were involved.

The page girl told investigators that in the winter of 1980, when she was 17, she made a friendly bet over a basketball game with the 44-year-old congressman for a six pack and, when she lost, took the Heineken to his office.

They ended up in his apartment for the first of at least several sexual episodes over the course of a succession of Thursdays. "It was my decision just as much as it was his," she stated.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061003/ap_on_go_co/protecting_pages;_ylt=At7GwjsNy4Ts9KWEcQ04ihY8KbIF ;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

Blueflame

10-03-2006, 10:47 AM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-03-2006, 10:52 AM

But wasn't Dan Crane a Republican?

Yep.

From Illinois.

In 1983, after a yearlong investigation by the House Ethics Committee, Crane was found to have engaged in an illicit sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl working as a congressional page. When the question of whether the House should expel, censure or merely reprimand Crane reached the floor, Hyde popped up to beg mercy for his friend.

http://www.salon.com/col/cona/1998/10/05cona.html

bendog

10-03-2006, 11:00 AM

But wasn't Dan Crane a Republican?

Yes, but Studds was a DimoRat from Mass who seduced the young MALE page.

Heinikens, a football bet, a seventeen year old girl, who consented ... somehow it just seems so innocent to today (-:

baja

10-03-2006, 11:16 AM

Is anyone else reminded of the last days of the Roman Empire?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

10-03-2006, 11:23 AM

Is anyone else reminded of the last days of the Roman Empire?

That's exactly what sprang to mind when I heard the news about Foley.