Our O-Line sucks at pass blocking

[GonzoLays]

Here are the lowlights from our offensive line trying to pass block during the first four possessions (not going to do the whole game, too long) against the Patriots Sunday night. Keep in mind that the Patriots were not sending all out blitzes. Many times, we had more guys blocking then they were sending and we still couldn't pass block worth a damn.

(Every single Plummer pass attempt is listed)

1st Possession

27 yard line -- Plummer shotgun; Good protection...completes pass to Walker.

Good protection

44 yard line -- Plummer takes a deep drop, both DE's fly past Lepsis and Foster and converge on Plummer as he throws the ball. By the time Plummer set his feet, he had to throw the ball or he would have been sacked by two Patriot defenders at the same time.

Piss poor protection

Pats 47 yard line -- Plummer takes short drop, 250 pd Mike Vrabel pushes Foster to the side as Foster stumbles and nearly falls over and Vrable hits Plummer before he sets his feet to throw the pass. Pass complete to Smith for 6 yards.

Piss poor protection

Pats 41 yard line -- Plummer bootlegs, no pressure, hits Javon Walker in the hands with the pass and he drops it.

No pressure due to the bootleg

2nd Possession

Broncos 46 yard line -- Plummer fakes hand off, drops back, 94 blows past Foster, 94 hits Plummer as he passes. Bell drops the Plummer pass.

Piss poor protection by George Foster once again

Broncos 46 -- Plummer shotgun. While Plummer takes his short drop, Matt Lepsis's man blows by him and hits Plummer while he is doing his drop and before he sets his feet. Result = Tip pass by Bruschi

Piss poor protection

3rd Possession

Broncos 4 yard line -- Plummer shotgun, Vrable runs past Tatum Bells feeble attempt at a block, nearly grabs Plummer in the end zone before Plummer could set his feet from the drop, Plummer ducks Vrabel and scrambles for a first down.

Piss poor protection

Broncos 14 yard line -- Plummer takes a three yard drop, 94 pushes Carslile back three yards to Plummer forcing Jake to throw off his back foot to avoid being knocked over by the stumbling Carslile. Result = Short completion to Bell.

Piss poor protection

Broncos 43 yard line -- Plummer drops back to pass, good protection, nobody open, 94 eventually puts pressure on him and he throw its away. (First semi-pocket of the game)

Good protection

Broncos 43 yard line -- Plummer shotgun...Vrabel runs right past Tatum Bell's feeble attempt at a block, Plummer ducks the charging Vrabel, pocket collapse, Plummer jukes 97, steps up and incompletes the pass downfield.

Piss poor protection

4th possession

* Ty Warren charges past at another feeble attempt of a block by Tatum Bell and wacks Plummer as he throws.

Piss poor protection

* Plummer takes a three step drop, pocket collapses (again) and Plummer throws to avoid a charging Seymour.

Piss poor protection

* Plummer takes a deep drop, stops to set his feet and is hit immediately as he tries to throw the ball.

Piss poor protection

* Plummer takes a three step drop and is hit immediately by a charging 54 as he throws a quick slant to Rod Smith on 3rd down and goal.

Piss poor protection


Is it as clear as day that our offensive line is the reason that Shanahan has to limit his playbook. If the offensive line cannot block pass block (especially George Foster), how do we expect Jake Plummer to put up great stats? The line's inability to block costs us tons of yards per game. Jake never gets the chance to drop back, set his feet and scan the field like a Manning or a Brady does.

Major props to Plummer for never calling out his offensive line. He takes all the heat and never even mentions the fact that he never has time to pass the ball. When he does have time to pass, ala the bootleg, you see what he is capable of.

Its not Plummer's fault we are struggling on offense, its the offensive line.

[Rock Chalk]

Im sure we will get the Plummer bashers in here to say that Jake holds the ball too long.

[Mediator12]

Damn. That is a great post gonzo. Well researched, well thought out, and easily credible.

Now, who are you, and what have you done with Gonzo ???

[BroncoFanDoug]

A little unfair to just look at the first 4 possessions - I don't think we scored on any of them. We scored 17 points for the game, so I would suspect that the protection on those drives would score a lot better.

Also, Jake had a good game Sunday, and he had 2 bad games before, and those 2 bad games were not all the O-lines fault (I am NOT a Jake hater at all - the reality is he was bad weeks 1 & 2).

However, I agree with you that the pass protection has been mediocre.

[Taco John]

Wow... Gonzo actually doing some in depth analysis of something?

Is this the apocalypse or something?

Our pass blocking has been the weakest part of our offense for years. This is nothing new.

[GreatBronco16]

So that was pretty much just the first quarter huh?


How bout the rest of the game?

[DeusExManning]

This is the unfortunate consequence of using smaller lineman for speed in the zone blocking scheme, they tend to suck at pass protection. I think it was smart to put Jake in the gun, it gives him more time to make his reads. Taco is right though, we have always had this problem.

[Mediator12]

The only thing missing is that Brady and Manning get tons of time in the pocket is just not true. They both get rid of the ball quickly and in Rythym.

This is of course not true when they play DEN, because their DL is the least scary pass rushing front seven in the NFL. It makes other OL's look average when they are really not.

This point is very valid BTW, this OL is built to run block First and Pass pro Second. The Problem is that Plummer is not a quick read, and three to five step drop kind of passer. He needs time and Depth in the pocket or rolling out to be at his best.

The OL and Plummer are not a great Fit, but we saw what even Jake can do when DEN opts for Max Protect instead of five Receiver packages last game. They are completely capable of big passing plays still. Problem is they failed to execute worth a damn the first two games anywhere in the passing game. OL was poor, RB's were poor blocking, Wr's dropped balls, QB missed wide open throws. Whole lot of criticism to go around.

[Rock Chalk]

Told you, the plummer bashers would be in here saying jake holds the ball too long.

[GonzoLays]

The only thing missing is that Brady and Manning get tons of time in the pocket is just not true. They both get rid of the ball quickly and in Rythym.

This is of course not true when they play DEN, because their DL is the least scary pass rushing front seven in the NFL. It makes other OL's look average when they are really not.

This point is very valid BTW, this OL is built to run block First and Pass pro Second. The Problem is that Plummer is not a quick read, and three to five step drop kind of passer. He needs time and Depth in the pocket or rolling out to be at his best.

The OL and Plummer are not a great Fit, but we saw what even Jake can do when DEN opts for Max Protect instead of five Receiver packages last game. They are completely capable of big passing plays still. Problem is they failed to execute worth a damn the first two games anywhere in the passing game. OL was poor, RB's were poor blocking, Wr's dropped balls, QB missed wide open throws. Whole lot of criticism to go around.

But you would have to agree that there is no such a thing as a "pocket" when Plummer drops back to pass compared to other elite QBs. We all saw how bad Brady looked when we put pressure on him the other night yet this is what Plummer has to deal with every time he drops back (almost).

Is it so much to ask that Foster can at least drive his man away from the play instead of letting his man run unimpeded towards the QB? Our tackles can't hold their position nor prevent a DE from running right past them. We can't open up the playbook because of them.

In our last two losses, Plummer has been sacked 7 times. And it is not so much as Plummer making slow reads, he can't even set his feet half the time before he passes. Its not as if Plummer drops back, sets his feet and then sits there for two seconds trying to throw the ball...he is not even afforded that opportunity.

[GonzoLays]

Told you, the plummer bashers would be in here saying jake holds the ball too long.

Or that Jake gets just as much as time as any other QB in the league to pass. Every QB in the league is running for his life or ducking defenders on every pass play. Just like Jake, right? Give me a break.

[Mediator12]

But you would have to agree that there is no such a thing as a "pocket" when Plummer drops back to pass compared to other elite QBs. We all saw how bad Brady looked when we put pressure on him the other night yet this is what Plummer has to deal with every time he drops back (almost).

Is it so much to ask that Foster can at least drive his man away from the play instead of letting his man run unimpeded towards the QB? Our tackles can't hold their position nor prevent a DE from running right past them. We can't open up the playbook because of them.

In our last two losses, Plummer has been sacked 7 times. And it is not so much as Plummer making slow reads, he can't even set his feet half the time before he passes. Its not as if Plummer drops back, sets his feet and then sits there for two seconds trying to throw the ball...he is not even afforded that opportunity.


Almost is the qualifier here gonzo. Yes, Jake has had little time to throw on some plays but they are not as many as I believe you are implying here. The OL was very poor to open last season too, but they were just as bad in the running game. This year they are third in rushing yards after three games. I think they will get better.

The theory I have on why this offense starts so slow is that the OL has no one even remotely as quick or powerful at DE pushing them in TC. Denver has the Worst Overall DE's in the NFL. The OT's take a while to adjust to the difference in ability and in the process play poorly.

All QB's face a pass rush during the game. It is what they do against it that makes them bad, good, or great. Personally, I want Jake to Run more. Pick up a few first downs running on third down passes and the Defense has to adjust the level of pressure. Right Now, they are bringing it against Jake because he has performed poorly in the face of a pass rush. Last game, they showed a few Max Protect packages on third downs and all three were successful. They should keep doing that until teams dial it back a notch.

IF you saw Peyton Manning last week versus JAX, you would have laughed at how little time he had in the pocket. You Know what he did, he scrambled and completed passes. He had one of the worst games I have ever seen him play and he still threw for a TD and ran for the other. He was forced to run JUST like Jake against PIT in the Playoffs last year, and he is not known as a scrambling QB. Despite having horrible Numbers and playing Horribly overall, he kept his team in the game being under pressure from the first snap with no TO's.

Defenses bring pressure until the offense solves it. JAX duplicated the Steelers gameplan and shut down INDY for three quarters. However, Leftwich turned the ball over twice in the red Zone despite getting over 200 yards rushing and Controlling the TOP almost 2 to 1. Their FG kicker was 0-2 in that game as well. Make the 4 FG's and they might pull out that game going away instead of losing.

[Mediator12]

Or that Jake gets just as much as time as any other QB in the league to pass. Every QB in the league is running for his life or ducking defenders on every pass play. Just like Jake, right? Give me a break.

Wow!

Give a guy credit for making a worthwhile contribution to the board, agree with his premise that the OL has been poor in pass protection for three games, and agree that Plummer has struggled because of this and this is your response.

Both you and alec are demonstrating poor reading comprehension and wishful thinking. Keep putting words in my mouth it is the Only strategy you have. I am done here. I am tired of dealing with people with your level of comprehension.

[labronx]

why waste time? his whole theory is flawed.

give me a break

[Taco John]

But you would have to agree that there is no such a thing as a "pocket" when Plummer drops back to pass compared to other elite QBs.


Absolutely false. There's definitely a pocket, and for the first time that I can remember, Plummer was actually STEPPING UP INTO IT this past Sunday. I can't remember the last time I saw Plummer doing that with any consistency.

[Rock Chalk]

Wow!

Give a guy credit for making a worthwhile contribution to the board, agree with his premise that the OL has been poor in pass protection for three games, and agree that Plummer has struggled because of this and this is your response.

Both you and alec are demonstrating poor reading comprehension and wishful thinking. Keep putting words in my mouth it is the Only strategy you have. I am done here. I am tired of dealing with people with your level of comprehension.

Im not demonstrating poor reading comprehension. You specifically stated that Manning and Brady dont have a lot of time but make "quicker" reads than Plummer. While that may be true (the quicker reads part) the fact is Manning and Brady BOTH have more time than Plummer usually gets. Case in point, watch the Colts Jags game again. Jags have one of the best pass rushing defense and Manning had all freakin day to throw. Yet, he makes "quicker" reads. No, he doesnt. He gets the time to make MORE reads than Jake does.

Now, Im not arguing that Jake is good at progressing through his reads. Never have claimed that and I never well because I dont particularly think that Jake is that adept at it. However, if given the protection afforded to both Manning AND Brady, he would be vastly improved over what he has to deal with in Denver.

And dont get me started on YOUR reading comprehension level. All you ever do is defend the incompetance of Coyer's defensive game plan. Trevor Pryce looked like dog doo here in Denver, yet in Baltimore has more sacks than our entire defensive line in only 3 games. Why is that? He sucked here but doesnt there? No, its the coaching. Instead of letting the linemen rush the passer at ALL times and tearing them loose, Coyer drops them back into coverage for some idiotic reason.

Pryce is the same player under a better coaching in a better scheme. Coyer is not that great of a defensive coordinator and if not for the execution of our defensive stars, he would be one of the WORST coordinators in the league. You claim our defense has been so awesome, and yet you never did respond to why they have the worst playoff defense of any team in the playoffs since Jake has arrived, instead blaming the offensive ineptitude for the losses. While the offense deserves its share of the credit, the defense has been woeful in all but one playoff game. WOEFUL.

You can be "done with this crap" all you want. Your opinion has never been anything more than a biased one (and, mine would be too in your shoes so dont take offense).

[0SE7EN]

Face it, Jake isn't Brady, Manning, Palmer or Elway. Sometimes he makes smart plays under pressure (Like the scramble from his own end zone on third down against NE). More often, Jake will back-pedal for a 15 yard loss, throw the ball with his left hand, or force a ball into double coverage. He's good when he has time, but so are a lot of QB's. Jake just isn't a good pressure QB. He plays well with a lead, and throws good passes on the run. Sometimes he's slippery and can keep a play alive with his shiftyness. He has a lot of good qualities, but he's not the best QB under pressure. Since the O-line is average at best on pass-protection, Jake will continue to have these up and down games, unless we can establish a strong running attack, which frees up Jake to run the play-action and bootlegs. Jake has never played well in the pocket and not so good under pressure either. I've watched him play in AZ since his ASU days, and then all of those miserable years on the cardinals where he litterally had less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball or be sacked. At least his pass-protect is better than that.

[Jason in LA]

Honestly, the Broncos O line has never been good at pass blocking in the Shanahan era, even the Super Bowl years (which most people don't want to believe).

I remember in '97, late in the season, when the Broncos went into that slump that cost them the AFC West title. Elway was under heavy pressure because the Steelers, Niners, and Chiefs just sent the house, and that great O line of the Broncos couldn't do anything about it. So for the playoffs Shanny smartly kept the RBs in to block on passing downs, and the problem was fixed, and they won the Super Bowl.

It's an O line that's built for the running game. That's why it's very important to have a mobile QB. In a post yesterday I pointed out that under Shanny, Griese, Beuerlein (twice), and Jay Schroeder all sucked. They are all pocket passers. Elway, Young, and Plummer have all been good, because of their ability to avoid the rush. And with mobile QBs they can use the bootleg and move the pocket. The Broncos were grooming BVP, a mobile QB, and just drafted another mobile QB, Cutler. I'd say Shanny is done with the pocket passers, he knows they don't work well with his O line, or in his system.

The O line and the system isn't about to be changed to give the QB more time. It's easier to get the right QB in there instead of changing all the personel, and changing the entire system. A mobile QB fits the system.

The O line, under Shanny, will never be good at pass blocking. That's just the way it will be.

Now, with all that said, Plummer is still an issue in the pocket, and he is the reason why the play book is limited. Plummer's biggest problem is that he's only about six feet tall, so he can't see over the O linemen. That's probably the biggest reason why he struggles from the pocket. Even with more time to throw from the pocket, he's still going to struggle. Notice that when he gets out of the pocket he's damn near Joe Montana. Plummer can roll left and throw a perfect pass going right. It's very rare for a QB to be able to do that. I love it when Plummer rolls out, because he's so good outside of the pocket. The guy's passer rating goes way up when he rolls out.

Jay Cutler is listed at '6"4, and has a cannon arm. So when ever he's ready, we'll be able to see the full playbook, because Cutler will be able to work out of the pocket because he can see over the O linemen.

[Kaylore]

I did the same thing. I went through each protection anbd the rushing attack and it's a bit rosier than Gozo is painting it but there are some truths in there. "piss poor protection" isn't true because they never sacked Jake. However, anyone that sits down and watches the game will see how horribly Foster played how much preasure that Patriots did get.

Every Foster homer should watch this play on the first drive for themselves. It was one of his worst blocks.
Pats 47 yard line -- Plummer takes short drop, 250 pd Mike Vrabel pushes Foster to the side as Foster stumbles and nearly falls over and Vrable hits Plummer before he sets his feet to throw the pass. Pass complete to Smith for 6 yards.


In the rushing attack Foster isn't much better. At the goalline he gets absolutely destroyed by bullrush attacks.

Where Gonzo saw Lepsis sucking, I saw Lepsis left with no tight end help matched up against Richard Seymour and he still didn't yield a sack.

I also think that Plummer's mobility and evasion talents help make them look good.

[Rascal]

How dare you. Foster is awesome.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I. Agree. With. Gonzo.
/that hurt

Nice post. You're still a tool.

[Mile High Shack]

I did the same thing. I went through each protection anbd the rushing attack and it's a bit rosier than Gozo is painting it but there are some truths in there. "piss poor protection" isn't true because they never sacked Jake. However, anyone that sits down and watches the game will see how horribly Foster played how much preasure that Patriots did get.

Every Foster homer should watch this play on the first drive for themselves. It was one of his worst blocks.


In the rushing attack Foster isn't much better. At the goalline he gets absolutely destroyed by bullrush attacks.

Where Gonzo saw Lepsis sucking, I saw Lepsis left with no tight end help matched up against Richard Seymour and he still didn't yield a sack.

I also think that Plummer's mobility and evasion talents help make them look good.

no WAY FOSTER IZ TEH SUCK

[Dr. Broncenstein]

How dare you. Foster is awesome.

Your cynical dial is turned to eleventy...

[freak6]

Gonzo - On drive #1 where Jake threw it to Javon underneath, did you notice what was going on deep downfield in the Jake's same field of vision??

You also said there was no pressure due to the bootleg on that play. That's a copout in my opinion. Foster had to be blocking somebody.

[Sodak]

Did you ever wonder where the phrase "piss poor" came from?

[Spider]

Damn at 2-1 we did somthing right .. or are we 0-3 ?

[bendog]

Damn at 2-1 we did somthing right .. or are we 0-3 ?

look who started the thread, whatta expect? LOL

[Spider]

I guess I remember the old saying of Mid season form ....... It always takes awhile for the offense to get on the same page , and to catch up with Defenses ....... But in the MTV generation , I guess it has to be done now ....... Dan Reeves used too much verbage , Shanny installs alot of packages .........

[Spider]

look who started the thread, whatta expect? LOL

LOL I like Gonzo , but man I have a hard time agreeing with him on football

[Popps]

Im sure we will get the Plummer bashers in here to say that Jake holds the ball too long.

Yea, sometimes he holds it until the end of his drop. Crazy, huh?

[Spider]

well the point is Denver has the smallest oline in the NFL , so they have to be in sync , takes awhile for the timming to get down ........

[Popps]

I actually watched the tape again this week, and was somewhat disturbed by how much Foster gets pushed around for a big guy. He's really struggling in pass protection. Seems O.K. against the run, but this guy is nothing special at this stage. A little disappointing.

[PLOWHORSE]

Did you ever wonder where the phrase "piss poor" came from?

Don't turn this into a "pissing" match.:~ohyah!:

[TXBRONC]

Honestly I think we could afford to be a little bigger up front and still be able run a zone blocking scheme.

[ZONA]

Good post.

No if and or buts about it. Our linemen need to take more pride in their pass blocking and practice it harder then they have before. It might even take Shanny to hire somebody who is known for teaching and developing great pass blockers to come in here and work with these guys throughout the year. I don't buy into the fact that just because our guys line up at 285 pounds that they are at a disadvantage. They are all mobile and very strong guys. If you have that type of guy brace himself in the right postion withthe right leverage, it's tough as hell to blow over the guy. As far as guys blowing past them on the outside, that's all technique and timing. They obviously need to work on that.

It's all about fundamentals and sticking to a pracitce scheme that keeps you working on that stuff. Just last game I saw Al Wilson pop the RB super hard, just past the line of scrimage, but he didn't wrap up and the RB kept his feet and gained like 10 more yards.

But I also agree with post above. I still think you can find mobile enough blockers at 315 for this scheme, and that would really help on goal line when you need to just pound it and push the line back for that one yard.

[Mediator12]

Im not demonstrating poor reading comprehension. You specifically stated that Manning and Brady dont have a lot of time but make "quicker" reads than Plummer. While that may be true (the quicker reads part) the fact is Manning and Brady BOTH have more time than Plummer usually gets. Case in point, watch the Colts Jags game again. Jags have one of the best pass rushing defense and Manning had all freakin day to throw. Yet, he makes "quicker" reads. No, he doesnt. He gets the time to make MORE reads than Jake does.

Now, Im not arguing that Jake is good at progressing through his reads. Never have claimed that and I never well because I dont particularly think that Jake is that adept at it. However, if given the protection afforded to both Manning AND Brady, he would be vastly improved over what he has to deal with in Denver.

And dont get me started on YOUR reading comprehension level. All you ever do is defend the incompetance of Coyer's defensive game plan. Trevor Pryce looked like dog doo here in Denver, yet in Baltimore has more sacks than our entire defensive line in only 3 games. Why is that? He sucked here but doesnt there? No, its the coaching. Instead of letting the linemen rush the passer at ALL times and tearing them loose, Coyer drops them back into coverage for some idiotic reason.

Pryce is the same player under a better coaching in a better scheme. Coyer is not that great of a defensive coordinator and if not for the execution of our defensive stars, he would be one of the WORST coordinators in the league. You claim our defense has been so awesome, and yet you never did respond to why they have the worst playoff defense of any team in the playoffs since Jake has arrived, instead blaming the offensive ineptitude for the losses. While the offense deserves its share of the credit, the defense has been woeful in all but one playoff game. WOEFUL.

You can be "done with this crap" all you want. Your opinion has never been anything more than a biased one (and, mine would be too in your shoes so dont take offense).

1. Pryce played the Raiders and the Browns for those sacks. 2 of the 3 worst OL's in the league. Terrell Suggs Plays the opposite side DE. Pryce is an over hyped converted DT. And yes, he will own Foster next monday.

2. I never responded to your claims because I never read them. They have been horrible in the Playoffs. And, they did get embarassed against INDY.

What you have conveniently omitted is that none of those defenses were healthy playing on the fast track in INDY. They played both games in INDY down 2-3 of the top 5 DB's and in 2004 Trevor Pryce's pompous ass refused to play. No Pass rush, No coverage, horrible tackling. Always admitted that Alec. Roc Alexander ring a bell.

However, you, Popps, and others still blame everyone but Plummer for his individual performances in the Playoffs though. The current opinion being the OL is the culprit.

3. I suppose by incompetence you mean giving up the third lowest total points in the league and setting the Broncos record for points allowed. Actually, I have no idea what you mean. Care to elaborate?

Where is the scoring offense BTW. Scoring defense? Yeah, that is what I thought.

4. Like always you are embellishing your arguments, instead of using facts. Pryce has 2.5 sacks. Lang, Chukwurah, and Ekuban have 4. You also know Coyer does not get to pick his players, he has to play with the deck he is dealt, but do not let that little fact stop you from your diatribe.

5. Everyone's biased, alec. I admit mine and always shape my arguments to tell both sides of the story. When you wake up and realize their is more than one side to the story let me know. Until then, I will just manually ignore you as you do your work on the mane.

[watermock]

DEFENSE
T-A SCK INT FF
T. Warren 7-0 0.0 0 0
R. Harrison 6-1 0.0 0 0
E. Hobbs 5-0 0.0 0 0
M. Vrabel 5-3 0.0 0 0
A. Samuel 4-0 0.0 0 0
R. Seymour 4-3 0.0 0 0
E. Wilson 4-0 0.0 0 0
V. Wilfork 3-1 0.0 0 0
T. Bruschi 2-1 0.0 0 0
J. Seau 2-11 0.0 0 0
W. Andrews 1-0 0.0 0 0
T. Banta-Cain 1-0 0.0 0 0
R. Gay 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Scott 1-0 0.0 0 0
E. Alexander 0-1 0.0 0 0
L. Paxton 0-1 0.0 0 0
J. Sanders 0-1 0.0 0 0

Do you see one sack dumbass.

[Man-Goblin]

This is a good thread. Just sayin.

[broncolife]

I dont see anything wrong with this thread. Our O line needs some help pass blocking. Bring back Gary Zimmerman , I think we gave him enough to time to rest. ;D

[No1BroncoFan]

Our pass blocking has been the weakest part of our offense for years. This is nothing new.
Now you're confusing me TJ. I thought you said it's all Jake's fault. ;D

Ben

[listopencil]

DEFENSE
T-A SCK INT FF
T. Warren 7-0 0.0 0 0
R. Harrison 6-1 0.0 0 0
E. Hobbs 5-0 0.0 0 0
M. Vrabel 5-3 0.0 0 0
A. Samuel 4-0 0.0 0 0
R. Seymour 4-3 0.0 0 0
E. Wilson 4-0 0.0 0 0
V. Wilfork 3-1 0.0 0 0
T. Bruschi 2-1 0.0 0 0
J. Seau 2-11 0.0 0 0
W. Andrews 1-0 0.0 0 0
T. Banta-Cain 1-0 0.0 0 0
R. Gay 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Scott 1-0 0.0 0 0
E. Alexander 0-1 0.0 0 0
L. Paxton 0-1 0.0 0 0
J. Sanders 0-1 0.0 0 0

Do you see one sack dumbass.



Did you watch the game? Plummer was elusive as hell. He was scrambling for his life a few times back there. Stats don't always tell the story...dumbass.

[TheChamp24]

I loved how on Jake's 2nd TD to Walker, Seymour just pancaked Lepsis and before Jake threw it, I thought "oh shii, here comes a sack" becuase Seymour pancaked Lepsis so fast.
Also, the Patriots did blitz a lot from what I remember seeing. I laughed when Lepsis got pancake. We need to pass protect better, maybe keep Alexander in there to help out.

[NaptownChief]

If you guys aren't pass blocking well it could be a long day playing the Bolts....Merriman and those bastards collapse a pocket in a heartbeat. The only reason why I don't think the Chiefs will give up 10 sacks to them is because Herm probably won't call 10 pass plays. I hate the fact that Merriman ended up in our division.

[BroncoInferno]

Honestly I think we could afford to be a little bigger up front and still be able run a zone blocking scheme.

I agree. You can find guys who are big but still mobile enough to execute our schemes, particularly interior lineman, but you generally are going to have have to use 1st and 2nd round picks to get them. Interior lineman generally don't start coming off the board until the late 1st/early 2nd, so we are always in position to get such players on the interior, but Shannny is content to train less talented 5th and 6th rounders. I don't mean that as a criticism per se...it is obviously a very successful tactic. But where you are always going to hurt with this method is in obvious passing situations and short yardage.

[Spider]

If you guys aren't pass blocking well it could be a long day playing the Bolts....Merriman and those bastards collapse a pocket in a heartbeat. The only reason why I don't think the Chiefs will give up 10 sacks to them is because Herm probably won't call 10 pass plays. I hate the fact that Merriman ended up in our division.

our pass protection has always depended on the run game , has since Shanny has been here .. if we run the ball , we can pass . if we cant run , then we have to let our defense win , and so far that has been a safe bet ........ looks like we got our starting back , that helps alot , K.J. is doing realy well ........

[Spider]

Honestly I think we could afford to be a little bigger up front and still be able run a zone blocking scheme.

untill late season ........ or in 4 th quarter of a game .......

[Rock Chalk]

If you guys aren't pass blocking well it could be a long day playing the Bolts....Merriman and those bastards collapse a pocket in a heartbeat. The only reason why I don't think the Chiefs will give up 10 sacks to them is because Herm probably won't call 10 pass plays. I hate the fact that Merriman ended up in our division.

I didnt at first, but Im starting to rue it now. Perhaps its the crappiness of their competition thus far, but he has just been scary good this year. He may have been right saying he will be better than Junior Seau becuase that dude is ALWAYS in the backfield.

Hope we have an answer for it.

[frerottenextelway]

Our pass protection isn't much different from the days of Griese. Just sayin'.

[Man-Goblin]

After further review, the thread is full of lies. Lies I tell you...

2006- 4 sacks *(through 3 games; projected to 21 over 16 games) -- 8th in NFL
2005- 23 sacks -- 3rd in NFL
2004- 15 sacks -- 3rd in NFL
2003- 25 sacks -- 7th in NFL

[TXBRONC]

I agree. You can find guys who are big but still mobile enough to execute our schemes, particularly interior lineman, but you generally are going to have have to use 1st and 2nd round picks to get them. Interior lineman generally don't start coming off the board until the late 1st/early 2nd, so we are always in position to get such players on the interior, but Shannny is content to train less talented 5th and 6th rounders. I don't mean that as a criticism per se...it is obviously a very successful tactic. But where you are always going to hurt with this method is in obvious passing situations and short yardage.

This Kuper kid we have is more in the mold we're talking about. If I remember correctly tips the scales at about 300 lbs and he's still very athletic.