Walker and Kircus

[Kaylore]

I was pretty high on Marshall, and while he did get a lot of playing time on running downs, I wanted to start a thread about how great Kircus and Walker have been playing.

Obviously walker has played great and will be a force for us this year. I didn't see anyone mention Kircus, though.

He had a critical catch for us on third down and then came right back and found a soft spot in the zone for a big play. His speed and quickness is impressive for someone 6'1". He reminds me of Rod Smith in his play style and with these two new targets coming in, I think it will take some of the pressure off Jake and open things up for Rod.

Now if we can get Scheffler on the same page as Jake, we'll have a enough aerial weapons to help open up the rushing attack. It's nice to have things going this way. :)

[Mile High Shack]

if you listen to some people around here
they'll say as long as Jake is the QB, Scheffler will never do anything

Kirkus is definitely the best #3 on our team right now and I am very glad Detroit dropped him

[Taco John]

if you listen to some people around here
they'll say as long as Jake is the QB, Scheffler will never do anything




What do you mean "some people around here?" That's what you said to me because I've got Scheffler on my fantasy team.

[Mile High Shack]

What do you mean "some people around here?" That's what you said to me because I've got Scheffler on my fantasy team.

Jake never throws much to the TEs ;)
regardless of who it is

[Kaylore]

if you listen to some people around here
they'll say as long as Jake is the QB, Scheffler will never do anything

Kirkus is definitely the best #3 on our team right now and I am very glad Detroit dropped him

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/lions/millen_matt2.jpg
Durrrrrrrr

[Taco John]

Here it is:

Taco, dude, I know you love Scheffler, but Cutler isn’t playing and until he does, Scheffler will not see many passes come his way, pick up another TE.

[Mile High Shack]

http://speckledmind.blogdrive.com/images/Matt%20Millen.jpg
Durrrrrrrr

wtf was that for?

[Mile High Shack]

Here it is:

indeed I wrote that

you realize
most of those ramblings are tongue in cheek right?

[brncs_fan]

After his catches, things definately opened back up on offense. He made so nice grabs and had his motor going full blast.


Good job :thumbsup:

[Taco John]

Jake never throws much to the TEs ;)
regardless of who it is

Shannon got 62 his final year in Denver...

I'm hoping that Scheffler becomes more of a threat in the red zone, but I'm not happy with what I've seen there so far...

[freak6]

I like Kircus and Marshall too. I hope Marshall turns into our #2 WR next year, and keep Kircus working out of the slot, where he can use his quickness on out routes like the one sunday night. Marshall I want outside where he can run deep posts, curls, and deep in routes.

[Mile High Shack]

After his catches, things definately opened back up on offense. He made so nice grabs and had his motor going full blast.


Good job rook :thumbsup:

If I were Kaylore
I'd go
drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and say
he's not a rook

[Taco John]

indeed I wrote that

you realize
most of those ramblings are tongue in cheek right?


I live my life with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek. :thumbs:

[broncosteven]

I like what Kircus has done so far. I expect this stuff from Walker & more. I watched Walker kill Duh Bears with Brent FADEEVER as his QB he should be able to get it done with Jake & Jay next year.

Kircus is a nice surprise that may fight for our #2 next year. Marshall can't do much if he is hurt, he has to make the field.

Sheffler should come around once the game slows down for him. It took Putz a few games also if I remember & Putz does not have 1/2 the talent I have seen so far.

Did anyone see Ash last night? the girl cannot play physical football & fight for ball when it is in air. I only saw a few plays due to 2 softball games but what I did see Lilly got schooled by McKenzie on a deep ball.

[freak6]

Did anyone see Ash last night? the girl cannot play physical football & fight for ball when it is in air. I only saw a few plays due to 2 softball games but what I did see Lilly got schooled by McKenzie on a deep ball.


He caught the first one bombed to him, the 2nd was underthrown.

[brncs_fan]

If I were Kaylore
I'd go
drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and say
he's not a rook

I had a momentary brain lapse. Tried to edit it real quick but my connection is really slow right now for some reason.

[broncosteven]

He caught the first one bombed to him, the 2nd was underthrown.

Was it on a fly route where he did not have to fight for the ball? The pass I saw should have been caught. It looked like a play I had in peewee flag football where I & the CB batted the ball back & forth to each other until he finally knocked it down.

[BroncoMan4ever]

if you listen to some people around here
they'll say as long as Jake is the QB, Scheffler will never do anything

Kirkus is definitely the best #3 on our team right now and I am very glad Detroit dropped him

Does anyone else find it funny that Detroit kept 3 first round guys who all suck, yet let Kircus a guy who might end up as a major part of the Denver Broncos go?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I liked Kircus coming out of college. Too bad for Detroit and everyone else he got lost in the shuffle of number ones and Millen's mis-managment up there. I was excited to see him sign last winter, but with the glowing reports we were hearing about Watts and Terrell, plus the drafting of Marshall and Hixon and the trade for Walker, all of which happened after he signed, I though he might get lost in this crowd. Glad he made it and I hope he is able to continue to establish himself here as a valuable member of the Broncos.

[Kaylore]

wtf was that for?

Sorry if you took offense. I was trying to point out how stupid the Lions FO have been allowing a player like Kircus to go and wasting picks on high first rounders.

Another point on Walker was that he was one of the primary third down receivers in '04. Well all three of Walker's catches were on third down this last game. Pretty cool. :)

[Clockwork Orange]

Sorry if you took offense. I was trying to point out how stupid the Lions FO have been allowing a player like Kircus to go and wasting picks on high first rounders.

Why would you say that? Charles Rogers is unemployed, Mike Williams can't be bothered to make weight and Roy Williams has lowered the bar to celebrating first downs. If you look past those minor details, they're doing a fantastic job. :thumbs:

[Kaylore]

Why would you say that? Charles Rogers is unemployed, Mike Williams can't be bothered to make weight and Roy Williams has lowered the bar to celebrating first downs. If you look past those minor details, they're doing a fantastic job. :thumbs:

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/lions/millen_matt2.jpg
Duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Requiem]

I like what Kircus has done for us so far, but I'm hoping Marshall can turn into that guy for us in the future. I thought Marshall looked pretty decent out there blocking. I noticed him standing by coach most of the game, looked like he was eager to play.

[Requiem]

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MATT MILLEN WANTS TO BE IN DA SPECIAL LYMPICS WITH GONZO

[freak6]

Was it on a fly route?

Dude, it was a pass to Lelie, of course it was a fly route!!! ha haa.

Seriously though, I only saw two deep passes go to him. The first was right there, he caught it, even though you want that ball well out in front of you, he made a nice catch and their feet got caught up and he was tackled after making the catch. The 2nd one was underthrown by a couple yards, and Ashley had to slow up and the Corner got his hands in there to break it up.

Ashley should be used on corner posts, post corners, and out and ups more. They are long routes to run, but if you roll vick out or give him time he can complete them.

[Kaylore]

Lelie was a non-factor in the redzone as usual.

[ludo21]

Walker and Kircus are playing great!!

Great Thread, they earn a ton of respect for what they are doing. Lets hope we can go 3 wide and pass a little vs the Ravens to open up the run.

[CBF1]

Excellent topic Kahn.... I think we can all agree on this.

A new fusion of blood into the system is going to reap huge rewards as the season wears on. Finally a couple FA wr's working out in Denver.... First since Eddie O

REP

[heydensmom]

I like it's widely known my thoughts on Kircus.

[broncofan2438]

Wow how about those stupid announcers who said that there is no way Denver would beat New England!!!!! Who's laughing now CBS

[Bronx33]

Wow how about those stupid announcers who said that there is no way Denver would beat New England!!!!! Who's laughing now CBS


Boomer was the one i remember.

[Hulamau]

I've been high on KIrcus for a couple months now and seriously hope he gets more balls that Rod from here on out. Rod can still contribute on tough 3rd down plays and will be a fabluous decoy, blocker and onfield player/coach, but Kircus has the speed and the good hands and needs the reps and attention.

[Kaylore]

On the John Lynch show tonight, they had Kircus as the guest player. He was pretty cool. He also confirmed what we all were suspicious of at Detroit. He spoke with a lot of love for Shanahan for giving him a chance. He mentioned that he never got a chance in Detorit and that the harder he worked, the less time the Lions gave him and they stubbornly refused to even try him on the field.

People think that Shanahan is a dictator, but he's also someone who isn't affraid to give a hungry player a shot to make some plays for his team. I think that his ability to see past "draft status" is one of his best assets.

[heydensmom]

On the John Lynch show tonight, they had Kircus as the guest player. He was pretty cool. He also confirmed what we all were suspicious of at Detroit. He spoke with a lot of love for Shanahan for giving him a chance. He mentioned that he never got a chance in Detorit and that the harder he worked, the less time the Lions gave him and they stubbornly refused to even try him on the field.

People think that Shanahan is a dictator, but he's also someone who isn't affraid to give a hungry player a shot to make some plays for his team. I think that his ability to see past "draft status" is one of his best assets.
Oh man I would have loved to have seen that. Do you know if it's anywhere on the net???

[Kaylore]

Oh man I would have loved to have seen that. Do you know if it's anywhere on the net???

CBS4Denver has some clips from the show but nothing showing the Kircus interview.

http://cbs4denver.com/

He got kind of emotional about it and it made me really appreciate Shanahan...and hate Matt Millen.

[jonny1]

He got kind of emotional about it and it made me really appreciate Shanahan...and hate Matt Millen.

You need a reason to hate Matt Millen? ^5

[heydensmom]

CBS4Denver has some clips from the show but nothing showing the Kircus interview.

http://cbs4denver.com/

He got kind of emotional about it and it made me really appreciate Shanahan...and hate Matt Millen.

Thanks kaylore... That sucks...but thanks anyway!!

[cousinal11]

Walker on Jim Rome show right now. He thinks his bad leg is stronger than the other and he thinks he is faster than ever. Scary.

[Mediator12]

Walker on Jim Rome show right now. He thinks his bad leg is stronger than the other and he thinks he is faster than ever. Scary.

That happens after spending every day doing therapy and lifting. Then you add in the plyometrics and speed drills every other day and you sometimes come back physically better than you were.

As soon as he gets his sea legs under him, he is going to be scary.

[BroncoFanDoug]

What REALLY has me excited is that although this group of recievers is already looking pretty good, we have lots of reasons to think it will look a lot better as the year progresses.

QB/Reciever chemistry - instinctually knowing how the other will respond to various situations - is super important (think Elway/Sharpe). Everyone but Rod is new, basically. They will get better and better.

[Rock Chalk]

I live my life with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek. :thumbs:

Oh, your tongue is planted somewhere alright :giggle:

[NYBronc]

Did anyone see Ash last night? the girl cannot play physical football & fight for ball when it is in air. I only saw a few plays due to 2 softball games but what I did see Lilly got schooled by McKenzie on a deep ball.

<B>Q:</B> Are you going to stick with Ashley Lelie starting at receiver?
<B>Mora:</B> Roddy White did not practice last week. He came back on Friday. Wednesday is pretty much you're first and second down package. Thursday you are doing pretty much third down and some first down and Friday you clean everything up. The fact that he didn't practice on Wednesday and Thursday went into the decision to play Ashley at 'X'. Roddy still played 26 plays, so he played a significant amount. On the bright side, in the last two weeks it has given us an opportunity to get Ashley into the game and see how he plays and create some chemistry between him and Mike Vick. I am pleased with the way he has blocked, even though we want it to be better. I think he gives us a deep threat. Mike is willing to throw it down there to him and I like seeing that. Even though we did not complete all of them, you at least show the threat. Two weeks in a row we had kind of a questionable pass interference call that could have been a large chunk of yardage. We need to keep doing those things. We need to keep throwing it down there and having guys that can get down there certainly helps and a quarterback willing to throw it down there certainly helps. It will pay off.

[0SE7EN]

...he made a nice catch and their feet got caught up and he was tackled after making the catch...


Ahhh, my biggest gripe about Lelie, and I'm so glad we don't have to see this anymore. I cannot begin to count how many times Lelie makes a catch and gets his feet caught up, or gets tackled while making the catch, or catches the ball while falling, or catches the ball and falls out of bounds. This clown cannot make yards after the catch.

What I am loving the most about Walker right now is that he catches the ball, has both feet on the ground and positions himself to stay on his feet and pickup extra yardage. Lelie on the other hand always seemed to be stumbling around after the catch. Sure he led the league in YPC last year, but how many of those big yardage plays turned into TD's?? Well, he only had 1 TD catch last year, so I'm guessing NOT TOO MANY. In 3 games, Walker already has more TD's than Lelie had in 16 games last year.

#87 is starting to evolve into that clutch 3rd down guy...much like the old #87 that we loved so much. If he can block and continue to make the clutch 3rd down grabs, we could have a "mini-mac" on our hands.

[Kaylore]

Ahhh, my biggest gripe about Lelie, and I'm so glad we don't have to see this anymore. I cannot begin to count how many times Lelie makes a catch and gets his feet caught up, or gets tackled while making the catch, or catches the ball while falling, or catches the ball and falls out of bounds. This clown cannot make yards after the catch.

What I am loving the most about Walker right now is that he catches the ball, has both feet on the ground and positions himself to stay on his feet and pickup extra yardage. Lelie on the other hand always seemed to be stumbling around after the catch. Sure he led the league in YPC last year, but how many of those big yardage plays turned into TD's?? Well, he only had 1 TD catch last year, so I'm guessing NOT TOO MANY. In 3 games, Walker already has more TD's than Lelie had in 16 games last year.

#87 is starting to evolve into that clutch 3rd down guy...much like the old #87 that we loved so much. If he can block and continue to make the clutch 3rd down grabs, we could have a "mini-mac" on our hands.

That's a good post.

Lelie would have cought the ball on that throw between the corner and the Safety and fallen out of bounds. Javon stepped back into the field of play and scored a touchdown. I hated how Lelie would always fall down after catches. In fact many times he would position himself to use his fall down as a way to make catches. It was annoying.

When it comes to the style of receiver, Kircus has more in common physically with Rod Smith than Eddy Mac. I think him being white and wearing 87 has a lot of people wanting to say he's Eddy Mac 2. He's not. Brandon Marshall is more his syle of receiver.

[BroncoInferno]

When it comes to the style of receiver, Kircus has more in common physically with Rod Smith than Eddy Mac. I think him being white and wearing 87 has a lot of people wanting to say he's Eddy Mac 2. He's not. Brandon Marshall is more his syle of receiver.

Kircus reminds me more of Ricky Proehl, if one insists on comparing him to a cracker (racist bastards ;D)

[2KBack]

When it comes to the style of receiver, Kircus has more in common physically with Rod Smith than Eddy Mac. I think him being white and wearing 87 has a lot of people wanting to say he's Eddy Mac 2. He's not. Brandon Marshall is more his syle of receiver.

I was thinking the same thing, watching Kircus run routes made me think of Rod. He uses shiftiness to get open, while Eddie was more physical (using his size).

[OrangeShadow]

im hoping marshall can really turn into something,kirucs is pretty damn clutch so far to

[0SE7EN]

...When it comes to the style of receiver, Kircus has more in common physically with Rod Smith than Eddy Mac. I think him being white and wearing 87 has a lot of people wanting to say he's Eddy Mac 2. He's not. Brandon Marshall is more his syle of receiver.

No, you're right. He doesn't have Eddie Mac's style at all. The only way I'm comparing him to #87 is how Eddie Mac would make the big 3rd down catches. Eddie was clutch. Not that Rod isn't. Rod is just as reliable, but Eddie always seemed to get that big 3rd down grab when you needed it most and rarely let you down. Of course being white and #87 does draw the more visual comparrison, but Kircus does not have the size, hence the nickname Mini-Mac. But let's see him make some clutch grabs on a regular basis before we start getting to excited, but so far he looks good.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I think Kircus is the second best receiver on the team right now. Rod would be more effective as #3. As for Scheffler, ever since that first ball in St. Louis doinked off his head, he's looked panicky.

[WoodMan]

With the emergence of both Walker and Kircus, I think we are going to start seeing Rod with alot more single coverage. I think he caught 6 balls on Sunday night, just not for many yards. He did pick up some key first downs though. If Plummer can make his reads and throw away from the double coverages he now has three viable receivers who make the catches when given the opportunity. Walker is going to draw alot more attention after the past couple of weeks and DCs have to double cover him. It all looks good to me.:thumbs:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

With the emergence of both Walker and Kircus, I think we are going to start seeing Rod with alot more single coverage. I think he caught 6 balls on Sunday night, just not for many yards. He did pick up some key first downs though. If Plummer can make his reads and throw away from the double coverages he now has three viable receivers who make the catches when given the opportunity. Walker is going to draw alot more attention after the past couple of weeks and DCs have to double cover him. It all looks good to me.:thumbs:

Right. Now that the Broncs finally appear to have more than two receivers. Rod will get that single coverage more often and with luck build the stats necessary to make him a shoe in for the HOF.

[elsid13]

I glad that Kircus is playing well, but don't forgot about Marshall. Sunday was his first game and he was open in crossing patterns across the middle, but Plummer went to Rod instead. I know big surprise.

[TXBRONC]

I was pretty high on Marshall, and while he did get a lot of playing time on running downs, I wanted to start a thread about how great Kircus and Walker have been playing.

Obviously walker has played great and will be a force for us this year. I didn't see anyone mention Kircus, though.

He had a critical catch for us on third down and then came right back and found a soft spot in the zone for a big play. His speed and quickness is impressive for someone 6'1". He reminds me of Rod Smith in his play style and with these two new targets coming in, I think it will take some of the pressure off Jake and open things up for Rod.

Now if we can get Scheffler on the same page as Jake, we'll have a enough aerial weapons to help open up the rushing attack. It's nice to have things going this way. :)

Kircus just might be the 3rd receiver we have been missing for quite some time. I do however think that in the long run Marshall is going to be fantastic wr.

[Bronco Billy]

I liked Kircus coming out of college.

You liked Kircus coming out of college? He went to Grand Valley State! Mad props if you noticed this guy out of college - even though GVSU does have a strong football program for their division! The only player I remember getting any attention out of a smaller school was Steve McNair a few years back.

:notworthy

[DBroncos4life]

I still would like to see more out of Kircus then just this game. I'm tired of our WR hype. I saw the game and he looked ok but its just one game.

[Hulamau]

The one thing we need to do during this two week bye is get Plummer and Scheff more in tune. All of Scheff's confidence comes with Cutler and the more off target throws and/or mis-run routes he and Plummer miss on, the tighter he'll become and I get the feeling he has a thinner confidence threshold than some like Cutler.

Lynch said at first he thought the FO had missed with the pick of Scheffler watching how he carried himself during early minicamp, but that when he got to camp and preason he just started making plays whcih gave Lynch second thoughts that he could make it.

Early on Scheff did look a little wide-eyed and reminded me a little of Tatum in his first year in that regard.

Even just a few short 5 yard play action completions during the Raven's game just to get him in the flow could really help.

We don't want him getting too uptight and tense and suddenly start to validate Lynch's original hunch about the guy.

[Atlas]

Shannon got 62 his final year in Denver...

I'm hoping that Scheffler becomes more of a threat in the red zone, but I'm not happy with what I've seen there so far...

Never take a rookie TE or WR in a fantasy draft. What is this your first time playing???LOL

Gates didn't perform as a rookie, Heap wasn't good as a rookie, Sharpe wasn't good as a rookie, Crumpler wasn't good as a rookie, The only guy I can think of is Jeremy Shocky. He had decent rookie numbers. Heath Miller was talked about as being good his rookie year and he only had 30 some catches.

It's hard for WRs and TEs to come into the NFL as rookies and put up fantasy numbers.

TJ if you want next year I'll come in and handle your draft. I'll be your GM and you can take control of the team after I draft it for you. LOL

[footstepsfrom#27]

The one thing we need to do during this two week bye is get Plummer and Scheff more in tune. All of Scheff's confidence comes with Cutler and the more off target throws and/or mis-run routes he and Plummer miss on, the tighter he'll become and I get the feeling he has a thinner confidence threshold than some like Cutler.

Lynch said at first he thought the FO had missed with the pick of Scheffler watching how he carried himself during early minicamp, but that when he got to camp and preason he just started making plays whcih gave Lynch second thoughts that he could make it.

Early on Scheff did look a little wide-eyed and reminded me a little of Tatum in his first year in that regard.

Even just a few short 5 yard play action completions during the Raven's game just to get him in the flow could really help.

We don't want him getting too uptight and tense and suddenly start to validate Lynch's original hunch about the guy.
I haven't heard anyone comment on this yet, but I could swear I saw Scheffler split out wide as a receiver in the Patsies game at least once, maybe twice. This is a 6'6", 260 pounder with 4.53 speed and big time hands. I see Marshall as the future at WR next year in spite of how Kircus is performing. Marshal is big enough to play a Shanon Sharpe type H-back position as a pass catching TE. So we literally could have two starters at TE and WR that are capable of switcing places on any given play. This is pretty cool. Imagine coming out in a 2-TE formation that suddenly turns into 4 wide with Rod or Kircus drawing single coverage from a safety only.

[-Slap-]

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/lions/millen_matt2.jpg
Duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Where did you find a picture of Millen that doesn't show him picking his nose?

[Taco John]

Never take a rookie TE or WR in a fantasy draft. What is this your first time playing???LOL

Gates didn't perform as a rookie, Heap wasn't good as a rookie, Sharpe wasn't good as a rookie, Crumpler wasn't good as a rookie, The only guy I can think of is Jeremy Shocky. He had decent rookie numbers. Heath Miller was talked about as being good his rookie year and he only had 30 some catches.

It's hard for WRs and TEs to come into the NFL as rookies and put up fantasy numbers.

TJ if you want next year I'll come in and handle your draft. I'll be your GM and you can take control of the team after I draft it for you. LOL


I can't help but be a homer in the OM league. I'm not doing too bad, even though I drafted Scheffler as my TE, and Mike Bell in the second... Hey, If I didn't, someone else would have!

LOL

[TXBRONC]

You liked Kircus coming out of college? He went to Grand Valley State! Mad props if you noticed this guy out of college - even though GVSU does have a strong football program for their division! The only player I remember getting any attention out of a smaller school was Steve McNair a few years back.

:notworthy

Jerry Rice attracted quite a bit attention coming out Mississippi Valley State.

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=410&dateline=1155245981

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2681&dateline=1159332519

"We will quietly come to a mutual understanding and I wave this hand to insert this friendly insect. ...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

You liked Kircus coming out of college? He went to Grand Valley State! Mad props if you noticed this guy out of college - even though GVSU does have a strong football program for their division! The only player I remember getting any attention out of a smaller school was Steve McNair a few years back.

:notworthy

I have a good friend who went there before they changed the name to GVSU and he got quite a bit of press since he led the nation in receiving and had a good combine showing.