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Bronco_Beerslug
09-22-2006, 05:20 PM
What a waste!!!!

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War price on U.S. lives equal to 9/11
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Now the death toll is 9/11 times two. U.S. military deaths from Iraq and Afghanistan now match those of the most devastating terrorist attack in America's history, the trigger for what came next. Add casualties from chasing terrorists elsewhere in the world, and the total has passed the Sept. 11 figure.

The latest milestone for a country at war comes without commemoration. It also may well come without the precision of knowing who is the 2,973rd man or woman of arms to die in conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, or just when it happens. The terrorist attacks killed 2,973 victims in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

Not for the first time, war that was started to answer death has resulted in at least as much death for the country that was first attacked, quite apart from the higher numbers of enemy and civilians killed.

Historians note that this grim accounting is not how the success or failure of warfare is measured, and that the reasons for conflict are broader than what served as the spark.

The body count from World War II was far higher for Allied troops than for the crushed Axis. Americans lost more men in each of a succession of Pacific battles than the 2,390 people who died at Pearl Harbor in the attack that made the U.S. declare war on Japan. The U.S. lost 405,399 in the theaters of World War II.

Despite a death toll that pales next to that of the great wars, one casualty milestone after another has been observed and reflected upon this time, especially in Iraq.

There was the benchmark of seeing more U.S. troops die in the occupation than in the swift and successful invasion. And the benchmarks of 1,000 dead, 2,000, 2,500.

Now this.

"There's never a good war but if the war's going well and the overall mission remains powerful, these numbers are not what people are focusing on," said Julian Zelizer, a political historian at Boston University. "If this becomes the subject, then something's gone wrong."

Beyond the tribulations of the moment and the now-rampant doubts about the justification and course of the Iraq war, Zelizer said Americans have lost firsthand knowledge of the costs of war that existed keenly up to the 1960s, when people remembered two world wars and Korea, and faced Vietnam.

"A kind of numbness comes from that," he said. "We're not that country anymore — more bothered, more nervous. This isn't a country that's used to ground wars anymore."

Almost 10 times more Americans have died in Iraq than in Afghanistan, where U.S. casualties have been remarkably light by any historical standard, although climbing in recent months in the face of a resurgent Taliban.

As of Friday, the U.S. death toll stood at 2,693 in the Iraq war and 278 in and around Afghanistan, for a total of 2,971, two short of the Sept. 11 attacks.
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SteveTensi13
09-22-2006, 05:53 PM
Imagine the number of Americans that would've been killed in the U.S if we werent fighting them in Iraq. It staggers the imagination.

SteveTensi13
09-22-2006, 05:56 PM
!!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2006, 07:14 PM
Imagine the number of Americans that would've been killed in the U.S if we werent fighting them in Iraq. It staggers the imagination.

But Clayton:

Bush's illegal invasion created the terrorist presence in Iraq.

Those terrorists weren't there before AWOL Boy invaded Iraq.

AWOL Boy's idiotic policies are creating three new terrorists for every terrorist killed.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2006, 07:16 PM
Imagine the number of Americans that would've been killed in the U.S if we werent fighting them in Iraq.

Imagine the number of Americans who would still be alive if Bush hadn't ignored all those warnings about a major al Qaeda plot to attack inside the U.S.

Imagine the number of Americans (and Iraqi civilians) who would still be alive if Bush hadn't lied America into an illegal invasion of Iraq.

W*GS
09-22-2006, 09:12 PM
Imagine the number of Americans who would still be alive if Bush hadn't ignored all those warnings about a major al Qaeda plot to attack inside the U.S.

Imagine if Clinton had actually attacked al-Qaeda during his watch...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2006, 09:46 PM
Imagine if W*GS were capable of processing facts or telling the truth.

ClevelandBronco
09-22-2006, 10:00 PM
Congratulations. I know you guys have been looking forward to this for a long time.

W*GS
09-22-2006, 10:02 PM
Imagine if LABF were capable of processing facts or telling the truth.

Fixed it fer ya...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2006, 10:11 PM
Congratulations. I know you guys have been looking forward to this for a long time.

You should be congratulating yourself and the guy you voted for.

Were it not for you, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2006, 10:14 PM
Congratulations. I know you guys have been looking forward to this for a long time.

This could very well qualify as the most idiotic statement in OM history.

The "you guys" you're referencing here are the same people who warned against invading Iraq from the outset - remember?