Has the Brandon Marshall Experiment Run it's Course?

[BroncoBuff]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

[OrangeShadow]

what the hell is with all the judging of rookies after two measly games?

[The Moops]

If you're counting on rookie receivers to produce you must think everyone is a Randy Moss. Most receivers take 3 years before you know they're a bust or not, hence Ashley Lelie and Darius Watts. Now, Lelie wasn't a bust; he just turned out to be a little better than average. Watts was a bust.

Marshall's been hurt and because of that he hasn't been able to get on-the-field training. Shanahan's got one of the more complicated offenses. I believe Marshall had a catch against Detroit, but I could be wrong. Hixon also has been hurt. Give these guys a break. Fans need not panic about anything so early in the season. We're not even 0-2!

[Ray Finkle]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.


I so want to smack you.....

1. Who out of the WR's has looked great the first 2 games.
2. As mentioned already in this thread HE IS A ROOKIE....

[Dedhed]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.
I can see this is just a baiting thread, but we should start by pointing out that you don't have your facts in order. He caught a pass on the Broncos first series of the pre-season. He was injured on the next pass that came his way, (on which he was incorrectly ruled to have been juggling the ball)and is now getting back to full speed.

[Broncojef]

Lets not run any of the WR's out of town until Jay is once again at the helm. He made many of the subpar looking guys right now seem like world beaters. We need a pocket QB with an arm to fully exploit many of the young kids talents. Let them learn the system and grow, we shall see them soon enough. First year WR never ever produce.

[BroncoFiend]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

WAY too early to judge the kid, he got hurt in the preseason and still many believe he will emerge as the #3 guy as the season progresses. He hasn't had many opportunities yet, was inactive due to injury week 1 and his QB played poorly in week 2.

He has the size and hands, lets give the kid a chance.

[BroncoBuff]

He caught a pass on the Broncos first series of the pre-season. He was injured on the next pass that came his way.

One catch against Detroit's thrid-stringers? You wanna go to war with that?

Sounds like he's not ready for how physical this game is in "the big leagues."

[Dedhed]

One catch against Detroit's thrid-stringers? You wanna go to war with that?

Sounds like he's not ready for how physical this game is in "the big leagues."

Detroit's first stringers. Start with getting your facts correct, please.

[-Slap-]

People are saying its way too soon to judge Brandon, but most of them have already judged him and decided he's a future starter and key to the offense. Bottom line is he was available in round four in a weak WR class. People are going to be really disappointed if he doesn't pan out, but the odds are against him.

[Dedhed]

I think the fact that he wasn't placed on IR suggests that Shanahan and Co think highly of him. Like anything else, we'll see what happens, but the kid has shown something.

[Orange_Beard]

Our QB has a 36.8 passer rating. Hard to rip any WR or TE at this point.

[elsid13]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Morgan was brought in for Return game. The panic about all the rookies is getting out of control, it two freaking games into the season. People seem expecting the rookies to play like 4 year vets that are Pro-bowlers.

[Mile High Shack]

I think it's premature to freak out about Brandon Marshall, just like it's too early to say he is going to be a stud

we just don't know, he was injured in preseason and he is just now getting up to tempo of a real game

whatever happens with him, happens

[Conklin]

i agree, but imma take it one step further, Jay Cutler has done NOTHING FOR US THIS SEASON. WTF who else was there @ 11 that could have helped us now!

[Rohirrim]

:notthissh :chairhit: :crazy: :twitch: :pfbbt: :cuss: :redpunch:

[Rock Chalk]

Well, Brandon has shown the Denver penchant for dropping balls right in his hands as he dropped a sure 15 yard gain right in his hands that Jake threw to him.

But, Im sure somehow that will be Jake's fault too.

[BroncoInferno]

Buff, it's just too early to tell at this point. Slap is right...some of the early camp enthusiasm may eventually go the way of Darius Watts and Adrian Madise, but two games is not going to tell the tale. He missed a lot of valuable reps with that knee injury. Rookie WRs, even ones who eventually become good players, don't generally start kicking ass from day one. Will we get much out of Marshall this season? Hard to say...it seemed like we would early on, but missing so many reps in August may hold him back for awhile. He has some catching up to do. But even if doesn't make a big impact this season, that won't mean he's a failed picked. Again, most WRs struggle as rookies, even good ones.

[telluride]

Good lord this is a dumb thread. We can't realistically evaluate anyone at this point of the season -- it's been like a Twilight Zone non-season thus far. Nothing will hold true extended out over the course of the full season. Does Jake truly suck this bad? Has the O-line lost its mojo? Is Rod done? Are thr rookies whiffs? I don't have any idea at this point.

And neither do any of you.

[MechanicalBull]

You can't judge anyone by a few preseason games and 2 regulars season games in which our offense has done pretty much nothing. No one can say right now that guys like Cutler and/or Marshall will be great or busts in the NFL.

We are 2 games into the season with a record of 1-1 and people are saying put Cutler in he will do amazing and some say the same about Marshall and now some are doubting Marshall.

[elsid13]

Well, Brandon has shown the Denver penchant for dropping balls right in his hands as he dropped a sure 15 yard gain right in his hands that Jake threw to him.

But, Im sure somehow that will be Jake's fault too.

And you said you never learn anything from TJ.

[Mediator12]

People are saying its way too soon to judge Brandon, but most of them have already judged him and decided he's a future starter and key to the offense. Bottom line is he was available in round four in a weak WR class. People are going to be really disappointed if he doesn't pan out, but the odds are against him.

The reason for being available in round four was Character and work ethic issues. His physical abilities are top notch. From day one the kid has had a great attitude and is trying very hard to dispatch those assertions.

Plus, he is getting fourth WR reps in practice. Hard to develop chemistry with Plummer that way.

[BroncoInferno]

The reason for being available in round four was Character and work ethic issues.

I think it also probably had to do with playing at a small school and his limited experience as a receiver. He was converted from safety either his sophmore or junior year (can't remember which). I think his senior season was the only one where he posted good looking numbers, and players like that sometimes slip under the cracks of evaluation.

[broncosteven]

I am just glad Jojo's Kircus (if anyone has kids that watch the disney channel they will get the play on words) made a couple of decent catches late in the KFC game while Hot Rod was out with the concusion. Walker came up big late also.

I am hoping things settle down a bit this week & we see a more determined squad on the offensive side of the ball. I have no faith in Plummer, he is a Vet so Shanny is starting the Vet QB so he does not lose the faith of the other vets that are working hard to win. If Shanny started a Rookie Qb I think he feels he may lose the team outright, just my take.

To get back to your take BB I am glad at that we don't need a rookie to start at #3 at WR. I would be concerned if we had to start him right away & depend on him for production!

[Xenos]

I wouldn't worry too much about it yet. Heck Vincent Jackson was a second rounder and he was injured all last year with a achilles/calf sprain. Didn't do anything until the Indy game, and even then it was only for two catches (although they were quite nice catches IMO).

[anthonypacino]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Easy buddy don't jump ship just yet. He had a great catch vs. Detroit and last week almost caught one across the middle in double coverage. They are slowly working him in and with Rod getting his bell rang up twice last week I expect more of a rotation this week.

He played saftey and WR in college, also some QB in HS. Hixon was mainly going to be used as a STeamer as Morgan will be. Our return game is about as good as our punting was a few years ago and it's causing us to lose field postion. DWill is too valuable to us as a CB to risk on returns and would tire him out too much, Champ was a excellent returner in college but is also to great a risk.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I figured we would see you here AP :)

[Tom G]

Marshall is an athletic freak. He is 6-4 and 1/2, 229, has been timed at 4.53,4.52,4.45 and 4.49 prior to the draft. He had a vertical jump of 37". He was H.S. state champion in the triple jump.

He was a 3 yr starter at WR and volunteered to play safety in his JR year to help the team. He led the team in tackles that year. He went back to WR in his senior year and caught74 passes for 1,195 yds and 11 TDs.


He was MVP of the Hula Bowl with 11 catches for 230 yds and 3 TDs. He was described as "a man amongst boys".

He did well in preseason and was being considered for #3 WR before he got hurt even tho he was a rookie.

I don't think we should cut him yet.

[anthonypacino]

I figured we would see you here AP :)

I"m all about giving the guy a chance, if he wasn't injured and just been sucking Watts style I would be the first one to help him pack his bags out of town. But it's only the 3rd game of the year and he's coming off a knee injury. JW had a whole year and a pre season to heal...he dropped a few in that first game too.

The first TD Marshall scores or big 3rd down conversion he grabs..all will be forgotten.:thumbsup:

[Steve Sewell]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Maybe we should take Champ Bailey's word for it?

Champ said early on that he couldn't believe that Marshall wasn't a first round draft pick.

I think he might be a pretty credible source. The kid injured his MCL and I don't think he was even active vs. St. Louis (I may be wrong about that). He had one very difficult pass thrown his way vs. KC.

[cmhargrove]

This is a goofy discussion, which is why I feel compelled to join.

By this season's stats, I think Carolina should dump Steve Smith as well. He's sucking it up worse than Plummer.

Marshall should come along, but as mentioned earlier, not if we are afraid to pass. However, I think we should be airing out to Javon several times a game, then the new guys can find a breath in the underneath routes.
Right now, we are passing it to a double covered Rod Smith instead of letting it fly towards our speed guys.

Either Plummer needs to grow his balls back (picks or not), or let the Rookie Rocket have a chance. No one will look good if we only try on obvious passing downs and obvious routes - we're not even giving them a chance!

[Barry Ramey]

Let's don't forget, not a lot of rookies have started, much less played much at all since Shanahan has been the coach. So rookies getting any playing time is rare and there's probably been a reason why this has been the case with Shanahan. Most rookies are inconsistent and still learning their teams' systems.

[fdf]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

My, did you get a lot of folks to bite, or what? Nice job.

[DeusExManning]

Well, Brandon has shown the Denver penchant for dropping balls right in his hands as he dropped a sure 15 yard gain right in his hands that Jake threw to him.

But, Im sure somehow that will be Jake's fault too.

Actually, if you watch the replay, the corner made a good play and knocked it down.

[baja]

ya he's a bust bring back Watts...

[bendog]

Actually, if you watch the replay, the corner made a good play and knocked it down.

Yeah, the stiff can't get open, and Jake throws to covered receivers. We need Charlie Adams back and to start Cutler, I tell ya.

[Taco John]

Run it's course? It's week two? How much has Marshall even seen the field? Isn't he our fourth option?

Scheffler and Dumerville are the only rookie on the team (aside from Cutler) that I'm expecting anything of right now. We need both of them to perform if we can reasonably expect to win this season.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

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[Crushaholic]

Our QB has a 36.8 passer rating. Hard to rip any WR or TE at this point.

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

[BroncoInferno]

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

Not to mention a third party (offensive line) responsible for keeping the sender upright long enough to deliver to the receiver.

[Orange_Beard]

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

Really, you are a genius.

Have you watched the games? Plummer has thrown so many ducks this year.

[Orange_Beard]

Not to mention a third party (offensive line) responsible for keeping the sender upright long enough to deliver to the receiver.

It is always someone elses fault.

Plummer looks like he is throwing Duck decoys.

[Crushaholic]

Plummer's passes do look ugly at times, but part of the problem is miscommunication between QB and receiver. Rookie receivers CERTAINLY can take part of that blame. Plummer would have completed the TD pass to Scheffler if Scheffler had turned back inside just a bit.

[BroncoInferno]

It is always someone elses fault.

It's always ONLY Plummer's fault.

[Orange_Beard]

It's always ONLY Plummer's fault.

If you say so.

[BroncoInferno]

If you say so.

That's the way you and others try to make it appear. Jake has played like crap, but he certainly has not been alone.

[Orange_Beard]

Not so much, Jake has been under pressure.

The throws he has made when not under pressure have been the worst. The 2 on the goal line last week.

The FLOATER down the middle and the Roll out and Force to Smith were just flat out dumb plays.
That being said this thread is about Marshall. The one ball I have seen throw to him was a sailer. I was just pointing out that How can you judge Marshall when Jake has a 36.8 passer rating.

[BroncoInferno]

Not so much, Jake has been under pressure.

The throws he has made when not under pressure have been the worst. The 2 on the goal line last week.

The FLOATER down the middle and the Roll out and Force to Smith were just flat out dumb plays.
That being said this thread is about Marshall. The one ball I have seen throw to him was a sailer. I was just pointing out that How can you judge Marshall when Jake has a 36.8 passer rating.

How can you judge Jake's passer rating when Marshall doesn't have a catch? Chicken and egg argument. I say it's a little of both. We have new receivers (two of whom are rookies) in a brand new offense, and the QB has stunk under pressure so far. The results will improve once the new receivers start to get the offense down pat and Jake settles down (which his history as a Bronco suggests he will).

[Orange_Beard]

How can you judge Jake's passer rating when Marshall doesn't have a catch? Chicken and egg argument. I say it's a little of both. We have new receivers (two of whom are rookies) in a brand new offense, and the QB has stunk under pressure so far. The results will improve once the new receivers start to get the offense down pat and Jake settles down (which his history as a Bronco suggests he will).

Chicken or the egg? That to me is a huge reach. I think you are trying a little to hard to defend Plummer.
I agree the "O" is a system. A system needs all parts to function. No one part has been real good. However Plummer has been really bad, the 4 picks have come when there was no or very little pressure on him. He has made horrible decisions. After watching the games again, when he does make a good decision, his throws have been really off mark.

[BroncoBuff]

My, did you get a lot of folks to bite, or what? Nice job.
Yes ... too many. I feel bad, because some of my favorite posters took me seriously. I thought things like saying "the Marshall Experiment," and "no wonder we traded for Quincy Morgan" would be dead giveaways ... but I guess I had forgotten how low-brow some of these threads really are. I was trying to be an "absurdist" as a response to Taco John's "Was Scheffler Just a Mirage?" absurdist thread. He acknowledged his was a joke/absurdist thread too I think, when he moved both of these to the "Butt" Thursday AM...

Just to be clear. WHAT I REALLY THINK: Javon/Marshall/Scheffler = 10+ years together. If we're really, REALLY lucky, maybe similar to Shannon/Rod/Eddie Mac. But that's pretty optimistic.

Sorry to everyone ... :notworthy:

[anthonypacino]

Yes ... too many. I feel bad, because some of my favorite posters took me seriously. I thought things like saying "the Marshall Experiment," and "no wonder we traded for Quincy Morgan" would be dead giveaways ... but I guess I had forgotten how low-brow some of these threads really are. I was trying to be an "absurdist" as a response to Taco John's "Was Scheffler Just a Mirage?" absurdist thread. He acknowledged his was a joke/absurdist thread too I think, when he moved both of these to the "Butt" Thursday AM...

Just to be clear. WHAT I REALLY THINK: Javon/Marshall/Scheffler = 10+ years together. If we're really, REALLY lucky, maybe similar to Shannon/Rod/Eddie Mac. But that's pretty optimistic.

Sorry to everyone ... :notworthy:

no harm no foul...I was just a little worried, hoped I could bring you back from the Dark Side.:~ohyah!:

[broncosteven]

Yes ... too many. I feel bad, because some of my favorite posters took me seriously. I thought things like saying "the Marshall Experiment," and "no wonder we traded for Quincy Morgan" would be dead giveaways ... but I guess I had forgotten how low-brow some of these threads really are. I was trying to be an "absurdist" as a response to Taco John's "Was Scheffler Just a Mirage?" absurdist thread. He acknowledged his was a joke/absurdist thread too I think, when he moved both of these to the "Butt" Thursday AM...

Just to be clear. WHAT I REALLY THINK: Javon/Marshall/Scheffler = 10+ years together. If we're really, REALLY lucky, maybe similar to Shannon/Rod/Eddie Mac. But that's pretty optimistic.

Sorry to everyone ... :notworthy:


You had me at Hello...

[elsid13]

Yes ... too many. I feel bad, because some of my favorite posters took me seriously. I thought things like saying "the Marshall Experiment," and "no wonder we traded for Quincy Morgan" would be dead giveaways ... but I guess I had forgotten how low-brow some of these threads really are. I was trying to be an "absurdist" as a response to Taco John's "Was Scheffler Just a Mirage?" absurdist thread. He acknowledged his was a joke/absurdist thread too I think, when he moved both of these to the "Butt" Thursday AM...

Just to be clear. WHAT I REALLY THINK: Javon/Marshall/Scheffler = 10+ years together. If we're really, REALLY lucky, maybe similar to Shannon/Rod/Eddie Mac. But that's pretty optimistic.

Sorry to everyone ... :notworthy:

Darn I had the boiling pitch and feathers ready to go. Damn you, tree holding wannabe. ;D