Is it reasonable to think that Cutler could start

[Wes Mantooth]

I have and still do support Plummer. Barring an injury, he is most likely the guy the whole season.

I am curious on what the thoughts are on this idea: given that the playbook is pretty vanilla to suit Plummer's abilities, how much more vanilla do you think it would have to be for Cutler to start / play? I thought about this today, and I think it would have to be dummied down some more, but could be expanded immediatley in other areas.

What really killed me today was the deep ball was consistently off target. I am not in CO, so was the wind really that much of a factor or was Plummer that much off on anything over 20 yards?

[theAPAOps5]

I have and still do support Plummer. Barring an injury, he is most likely the guy the whole season.

I am curious on what the thoughts are on this idea: given that the playbook is pretty vanilla to suit Plummer's abilities, how much more vanilla do you think it would have to be for Cutler to start / play? I thought about this today, and I think it would have to be dummied down some more, but could be expanded immediatley in other areas.

What really killed me today was the deep ball was consistently off target. I am not in CO, so was the wind really that much of a factor or was Plummer that much off on anything over 20 yards?


Wind wasn't that bad. Enough to effect a 49 yard field goal that is end over end but not bad enough to effect a spiral, er wounded duck spiral.

[Mr Chatterboodamn]

that's a really good avatar lol

[Meck77]

I am not in CO, so was the wind really that much of a factor or was Plummer that much off on anything over 20 yards?

The wind was not a factor......

[Wes Mantooth]

I want to have an excuse for the deep ball not looking good on TV. Looked like he either forced it, let it hang to long, or was just way off target.

[theAPAOps5]

that's a really good avatar lol

Thanks! I made it after last weeks debacle :approve:

[phibacka31]

I have to believe that cutler hits sheffler for that Wide open TD and the onther thrown behind sheff. I also believe in Jake. He's our man, but he needs to settle down and get his confidence back. He's always dancing in the pocket. Plummer is our QB now, but he is deffetly lacking as of right now. HE needs to pull his **** together. I can't wait to see cutler though.

[fido]

plummers rating:

game 1: 26
game 2: 56
avg: 41

certainly not stellar by any stretch.
imo-->plummer is holding the clipboard after baltimore

[BroncoSoja]

imo-->plummer is holding the clipboard after baltimore

Hope your right.

[troya900]

plummers rating:

game 1: 26
game 2: 56
avg: 41

certainly not stellar by any stretch.
imo-->plummer is holding the clipboard after baltimore

Lol that piece of crap performance by Plummer netted a QB rating more than twice as good as last week. :moon:

[ScottXray]

Certainly Cutler COULD start! He might get hammered by the crap protection the O-line has been putting up. Or he might burn a few teams for long plays or actually audible out of some of the bad plays that Plummer seems to not audible out of.
He will make mistakes and learn.

For right now Plummer will continue to start, probably until we get to the playoffs or superbowl , OR , until we get to a 1-5 record....at which point he sits down for the rest of his career and the Jay Cutler era begins.

If Cutler does come in at 1-5, I still think we get to 8-8 or 7-9.

[theAPAOps5]

If we are 1-5 the season is pretty much toast, might as well see what we got in Cutler vs a tough remainder of a schedule.

[troya900]

Certainly Cutler COULD start! He might get hammered by the crap protection the O-line has been putting up. Or he might burn a few teams for long plays or actually audible out of some of the bad plays that Plummer seems to not audible out of.
He will make mistakes and learn.

For right now Plummer will continue to start, probably until we get to the playoffs or superbowl , OR , until we get to a 1-5 record....at which point he sits down for the rest of his career and the Jay Cutler era begins.

If Cutler does come in at 1-5, I still think we get to 8-8 or 7-9.

Plummer didn't even get that much pressure on him today, yet he still found a way to screw damn near every pass up. The guy just doesn't have any power or touch on the ball. He was off on so many throws today it was rather sad.

[SprintRightOption]

Plummer didn't even get that much pressure on him today, yet he still found a way to screw damn near every pass up. The guy just doesn't have any power or touch on the ball. He was off on so many throws today it was rather sad.

Okay, it has officially gotten out of control in Broncoland.

Damn near every pass? Definitely screwed up all those first down passes in OT, on the 76 yard drive for a missed FG, and the 76 yard drive to tie in the 4th.

You're right. Let's cut him tomorrow. I mean, looking back on the last 3 years, Plummer has yet to lead the Broncos to a single win. How does he still have a job after other people have bailed him out in the 34 games they've managed to win in spite of him.

I just feel sick to my stomach after this WIN.

[Hulamau]

What really killed me today was the deep ball was consistently off target. I am not in CO, so was the wind really that much of a factor or was Plummer that much off on anything over 20 yards?

When has that NOT been the case?

[Crushaholic]

I think Shanahan will stick with Plummer if/until we are mathematically out of the playoffs. Therefore, you probably won't see Cutler until AT LEAST November at the earliest...

[Atlas]

Denver faces two very tough defenses in the next two weeks. No way Shanny plays Cutler BUT there is the bye week early. If Plummer plays bad maybe he'll prepare Cutler to start during the bye week.

[Dedhed]

I think Shanahan will stick with Plummer if/until we are mathematically out of the playoffs. Therefore, you probably won't see Cutler until AT LEAST November at the earliest...

I've been on this boat since the Plummer/Cutler threads started, but I'm starting to doubt that position. If this is the type of performance we're going to get from Jake, and we get to 1-3 even I think there's a very good chance that we'll see Cutler before we're mathematically out of the hunt.

[bloodsunday]

I have tried not to jump on and off the Plummer bandwagon this early in the season... but the temptation is growing, here are the facts:

1) Shanahan admitted to "dialing" down the offense yesterday.


Plummer was more an offensive caretaker, rarely taking downfield shots, as Shanahan admittedly "dialed down" the offense and put the pressure on the defense, facing Chiefs backup quarterback Damon Huard.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5002011,00.html

2) I have seen only one of the media pundits say that it would be flatout wrong to go to Plummer (Phil Simms). In fact, many of them (Jimmy Johnson, Boomer, and Shannon a little more sublty) openly said Denver should give Cutler a shot.

3) Teams are gonna line up and play our WR's tight and take away our run game to the extent that they can and make Jake beat them. That clearly means that everyone of them considers Jake the weakest link in our offense. Herm Edwards even said so -- subtly -- in his comments yesterday. They are not alone... Does Ron Wolf come to mind? The "book" on Jake is just not a good one.

Bottom line, I don't see any confidence or decisiveness in Jake. In fact, sadly I think Rod's injury helped him yesterday because he had to look at WRs other than his security blanket. The level of play from that position simply has to be higher. What's more, he looks more and more out of his element if Rod Smith is taken away and/or when playing from behind. Caretaker seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.

[Mile High Shack]

Plummer has been in this offense enough, so to dial it down is quite disturbing...every play should be an option

I think it's pretty obvious, we are not a good team right now and our offense is soley to blame

[theAPAOps5]

When you hear that Plummer checked out of what Shannahan called on the 3rd and goal and then threw it away that scares me also. I am worried that it might mean Plummer is rattled and is doubting not only himself but his coaches as well, translating into misreads and mistakes. I would rather jake go and relax and yell at some gossip columnist or maybe he just needs to sit out a little and watch just to relax and get the whole Culter talk over with. If Cutler does well then Jake can only blame himself. If Cutler is worse then Jake can take a deep breath and relax a little as it should quell the Cutler talk.

[ScottXray]

When you hear that Plummer checked out of what Shannahan called on the 3rd and goal and then threw it away that scares me also. I am worried that it might mean Plummer is rattled and is doubting not only himself but his coaches as well, translating into misreads and mistakes. I would rather jake go and relax and yell at some gossip columnist or maybe he just needs to sit out a little and watch just to relax and get the whole Culter talk over with. If Cutler does well then Jake can only blame himself. If Cutler is worse then Jake can take a deep breath and relax a little as it should quell the Cutler talk.

Where did you hear that Jake checked out of the play call...?

First I heard of that. It looked like the receivers got all jammed up at the line and couldn't get free,,,(or PI if the Refs call it). !Booya!

[maven]

What really killed me today was the deep ball was consistently off target. I am not in CO, so was the wind really that much of a factor or was Plummer that much off on anything over 20 yards?

Seriously, how long haven you been a Broncos fan? And most important, how many times have you seen Jake throw a ball to a receiver over 20 yards?

[Kaylore]

After hearing Shanahan speak on this specifically, it sounds to me like Plummer's our guy through this season and possibly even next. Starting Griese ahead of Brister estranged some of the vets from him and it sounds like a part of him regrets that. I still think he made the right choice there given Brister going into the tank during the preseason and camp, but it sounds like Shanahan wants to avoid the controversey as long as possible while develop Cutler. This is a guy who's had two Hall of Fame QB's on his roster at the same time (Monatana/Young) and didn't bat an eye about. Of course it wasn't really his call since he was a coordinator, but he's delt with this scenario.

Looks like Plummer is the guy and I'm going to just deal with it, though the way he's playing thus far, I'll probably enjoy Church a lot more this season.

[Popps]

Looks like Plummer is the guy and I'm going to just deal with it, though the way he's playing thus far, I'll probably enjoy Church a lot more this season.

LOL

See, now at least that's funny. If you're going to bash the QB, at least make it entertaining. I can't tell you how much comedy Griese brought to this forum.

That said, I disagree about Cutler not starting next year. He'll start. Jake could win Superbowl MVP, and I honestly believe Cutler will start.

Conversely, I don't think we're quite as screwed with Plummer at the helm as you think, but I do agree that he's absolutely got to turn it around. Dude needs to quit playing scared.

If he plays scared this week, he'll get eaten alive.

[Kaylore]

LOL

See, now at least that's funny. If you're going to bash the QB, at least make it entertaining. I can't tell you how much comedy Griese brought to this forum.

That said, I disagree about Cutler not starting next year. He'll start. Jake could win Superbowl MVP, and I honestly believe Cutler will start.

Conversely, I don't think we're quite as screwed with Plummer at the helm as you think, but I do agree that he's absolutely got to turn it around. Dude needs to quit playing scared.

If he plays scared this week, he'll get eaten alive.
I really don't think so. Shanahan can be a stubborn man and the way he talked about playing or rather NOT playing Jay was pretty telling. The fiasco Griese's first year starting seemed to really affect him and he doesn't want that. I suppose if Jake just plays like total butt the nexty three games and we're 1-4 then maybe he'd start considering things, but right now I do not see him changing his mind.

[2KBack]

I really don't think so. Shanahan can be a stubborn man and the way he talked about playing or rather NOT playing Jay was pretty telling. The fiasco Griese's first year starting seemed to really affect him and he doesn't want that. I suppose if Jake just plays like total butt the nexty three games and we're 1-4 then maybe he'd start considering things, but right now I do not see him changing his mind.

Like I said earlier, as long as jake has the backing of the team, Shanny won't touch him. If Denver is in a hole, and the playoffs are pretty much out of reach, then I think Shanny could justify making the change. I'd say Jake is definitly safe for awhile as things stand.

[BroncoBuff]

So, Popps - how do you feel about all your Griese-bashing now that Shanahan admitted it was his fault?




















;D

[fontaine]

LOL

See, now at least that's funny. If you're going to bash the QB, at least make it entertaining. I can't tell you how much comedy Griese brought to this forum.

That said, I disagree about Cutler not starting next year. He'll start. Jake could win Superbowl MVP, and I honestly believe Cutler will start.

Conversely, I don't think we're quite as screwed with Plummer at the helm as you think, but I do agree that he's absolutely got to turn it around. Dude needs to quit playing scared.

If he plays scared this week, he'll get eaten alive.

Would you say it's a make or break game for Plummer?

I mean, considering that the Pats will no doubt switch up to a 3-4 front on passing downs and try to contain Jake in the pocket? They'll field an aggressive front 7 with extra help in the box to penetrate upfield and leave the intermediate/long pass available.

This will be what? The 5th game in a row where Plummer is seeing this type of defense designed specifically to keep him in the pocket and in all four games so far he's looked way off.

This game is going to be pretty big for him as an individual player.

[bloodsunday]

Would you say it's a make or break game for Plummer?

I mean, considering that the Pats will no doubt switch up to a 3-4 front on passing downs and try to contain Jake in the pocket? They'll field an aggressive front 7 with extra help in the box to penetrate upfield and leave the intermediate/long pass available.

This will be what? The 5th game in a row where Plummer is seeing this type of defense designed specifically to keep him in the pocket and in all four games so far he's looked way off.

This game is going to be pretty big for him as an individual player.

It's big for the team. We have to overcome these deficincies as a team. I don't think we'll see Cutler until we are mathematically or logically eliminated from the playoffs. I thought so before, but Shanny is playing this thing cool and calm.

[orange 4 life]

"is it reasonable to think cutler should start"

no, next thread.