Week 2 Poll - Cutler or Jake

[freak6]

Today Jake did next to nothing, his QB rating was around 56.

Bringing up his rating. To about 40.

Another terrible read, another terrible pick, costing us a FG. The defense gave up 2 yards on that Chief drive, so the pick led directly to the FG.

I know I know, another Jake vs Cutler thread, but I want to collect votes to see the trend over the season.

[Spider]

Jake made plays in the end when it counted ........

[freak6]

Jake made plays in the end when it counted ........

Yeah, he did alright.

But with such a dominating defense, can we afford Jake the Mistake handing teams free points with his terrible ints?

[Rigs11]

Yeah, he did alright.

But with such a dominating defense, can we afford Jake the Mistake handing teams free points with his terrible ints?

What is it that makes you thinnk that Cutler would be better?The preseason? Where he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses? Ok so we put in Cutler. What if he sucks? How many games does he get before you call for his head?

[Spider]

Yeah, he did alright.

But with such a dominating defense, can we afford Jake the Mistake handing teams free points with his terrible ints?
our D hasnt allowed a TD yet .........

[spdirty]

start Jake unless he gets hurt this year. I can't wait till next year. I really can't.

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah, he did alright.

But with such a dominating defense, can we afford Jake the Mistake handing teams free points with his terrible ints?

That dominating Defense you speak of, the one that allowed the Jets to damn near come back and beat them? The one that almost choked to Buffalo? That dominating defense?

New England is a vastly over rated team this year and their defense is nothing spectacular anymore.

[BABronco]

I'm wanting plummer to be the starter barring injury. Although everytime he threw the ball I was praying "Jake plz dont threw a freaking int!"

[freak6]

That dominating Defense you speak of, the one that allowed the Jets to damn near come back and beat them? The one that almost choked to Buffalo? That dominating defense?

New England is a vastly over rated team this year and their defense is nothing spectacular anymore.

I meant our defense Alec.

[Rock Chalk]

I'm wanting plummer to be the starter barring injury. Although everytime he threw the ball I was praying "Jake plz dont threw a freaking int!"

Yeah. In OT I kept thinking "Please dont blow it Jake, I will have to find a new message board as this one will be boring with everyone on ignore."

What's he do? Win the game for us. ;D

[freak6]

What is it that makes you thinnk that Cutler would be better?The preseason? Where he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses? Ok so we put in Cutler. What if he sucks? How many games does he get before you call for his head?

His poise,arm strength, and accuracy.

His decision making couldn't be any worse than Jakes.

If Cutler had played the entire game vs the Rams would we have been better or worse for it?

Better.

Same this week.

[Rock Chalk]

I meant our defense Alec.

Dont get me wrong, they have played well but are still prone to the big play and the tackling needs work.

We have a better than average defense but still lack a pass rush. How many sacks did we get on them? Cincy got 7 sacks last week, I only remember really 1, maybe 2. Further, Damon Huard completed his first 9 passes against us, ended up only having 5 incompletions and one of those was a drop by Gonzo that was right in his hands.

We got room to improve. GOod, yes, Dominating, no.

[Dedhed]

Jake made plays in the end when it counted ........

I think you mean Javon made plays when it counted.

[Natedogg]

The wording in you poll is biased. Why is there no "Start Jake and watch him kick ass like he did last year in KC" option?

[Spider]

I think you mean Javon made plays when it counted.

I know what the **** I mean .......... dont need you to help me out on that .....
Jake did what he had to do ........

[freak6]

No, it is dominating.

Teams passing against us are faced with only 75% of the field to throw to. From the right hash marks to the sideline is a blackhole QBs don't risk throwing passes to. We got ran on quite a bit today, that was troubling. But we only gave up 6 pts, really 3.

[freak6]

I can't wait for our offense to get in gear, and force teams to go one dimensional and throw against us. So far in2 games we have seen vanilla offenses running it down after down.

Thier gameplan seems to be, don't make a mistake and Plummer will. Just wait, it's coming, pow INT, free 3 pts.

[Kaylore]

Jay Cutler would have no trouble playing just as badly as Jake has these last two games.

However, I think you keep Jake until the middle of the season and see how things are going at that point.

[freak6]

However, I think you keep Jake until the middle of the season and see how things are going at that point.


I think it may be to late by then. We are all patiently waiting for the real Jake the Snake the show up. If we are 4-4 at the halfway point, I think you gamble that Jake can go 6-2 out of the last 8 and make it. But if we fall to 4-5, gotta make the switch.

One game at a time. Bring on the Pats.

[SoCalBronco]

I really hate the way Jake is playing but keep him in there regardless.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Oakland would be the earliest I'd call for Cutler. Even if they lose @NE, give them the bye week to right the ship because there's no way I want JC getting his first start against Baltimore. If the offense can't move it through 4 games and they're 1-3, it's time to make the change.

[maven]

Start Cutler from day 1.

[freak6]

50/50 on those that would want to see Jay Cutler next week.

Noone is mentioning the terrible passes in goalline. He missed Sheffler who was open, but he threw it with no touch, way behind him when he was isolated left, and he threw it behind him when he got drilled.

Then the miscommunication between him and Javon on the jump ball throw.
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Notice how that deep ball to Kircus doesn't float, he is hitting him in stride on a pass that flew 56 yards in the air, and it got there in a hurry.

Wow. And he is holding a clipboard because Jake Plummer has more experiance reading defenses?

[Play2win]

The only thing JAKE has going for him is that, together, the "K" and the "E" almost look like a "Y"...

[Hulamau]

That dominating Defense you speak of, the one that allowed the Jets to damn near come back and beat them? The one that almost choked to Buffalo? That dominating defense?

New England is a vastly over rated team this year and their defense is nothing spectacular anymore.

The one Glimmer of Hope is if the coaches AND Plummer fully grasp how much better Jake looked when he wasn't mezmerized by Rod Smith's presence (or lack thereof) and suddenly seemed to discover that other WRs on this team can play!

We should gracefully, quietly and with proper respect demote Rod to 2nd or third string not so much just because he has absolutely lost a step, nor for any failure on his part, but simply to demand Walker get the lion share of the primary WR calls from here on out ... and thus most of Jake's attention since he rarely checks down more than 1 spot.

That, combined with what you point out Alec, that NE might be living on smoke and mirrors too so far this year could result in what would surely be considered an upset at NE next week which would be HUGE for Jake and th team going into the bye week.

We lose to NE and Jake has another stinker day and its going to be an extremely long and painful two week bye!

[Hulamau]

50/50 on those that would want to see Jay Cutler next week.

Noone is mentioning the terrible passes in goalline. He missed Sheffler who was open, but he threw it with no touch, way behind him when he was isolated left, and he threw it behind him when he got drilled.

Yes those two passes when we were ready to take the game was the low point for me .

Notice how that deep ball to Kircus doesn't float, he is hitting him in stride on a pass that flew 56 yards in the air, and it got there in a hurry.

Wow. And he is holding a clipboard because Jake Plummer has more experiance reading defenses?

No doubt, that logic is starting to spring some major leaks.

[freak6]

The numbers are close from week one to week 2, looks like the start Cutler % is coming up though.

[Crushaholic]

Once we get the running game going and figure out how to open holes for the Bells, Jake will return to winning form. Starting Jay would doom our season because he's just not as experienced in reading NFL defenses.

[fontaine]

Once we get the running game going and figure out how to open holes for the Bells, Jake will return to winning form.

Man, I'd love for this to be true but how exactly do you open up more holes for the running game if there are extra defenders constantly cheating up to the box? The OL can only do so much. On any given play there might two OL at the most that get to the 2nd level and blast LBs but that's not going to happen all the time. It's like trying to get water out of a stone.

Our running game is already very good. We could get them to elite status but the biggest improvement in this offense is going to come from the passing game clicking on the intermediate routes.

[freak6]

Starting Jay would doom our season because he's just not as experienced in <b>reading </b>NFL defenses.

In comparison to a QB whose TD/INT ratio is 0/4. Maybe Jake is dyslexic.

[KYChamp24]

I say we let Jake play. Its not going to help him by boooing at the game. Are we really that quick to forget last season?

[Rohirrim]

Man, I'd love for this to be true but how exactly do you open up more holes for the running game if there are extra defenders constantly cheating up to the box? The OL can only do so much. On any given play there might two OL at the most that get to the 2nd level and blast LBs but that's not going to happen all the time. It's like trying to get water out of a stone.

Our running game is already very good. We could get them to elite status but the biggest improvement in this offense is going to come from the passing game clicking on the intermediate routes.

Bingo! Give that man a cigar. Football is a game of force. If Jake can't "force" the D to back off, they won't. The NFL has figured out Jake's game. Either he takes it up a notch, or the Broncos are toast. Let's face it. His passing is abysmal.

[obediah]

I say you dont even think of putting Cutler in until Plummer either puts a nail in our coffin and blows our season at which point we have nothing to loose, Or until we start playing like the Bronco instead of the friggin Donkeys and put enough points up on the board that Shanny can put him in for a few plays.

This is not Cutlers year. Next year i will be voting differently.


Obediah

[Crushaholic]

In comparison to a QB whose TD/INT ratio is 0/4. Maybe Jake is dyslexic.

I don't expect this bad play to continue. He had a great year last season and I don't believe he just suddenly lost the ability to be a good QB. Jay isn't ready.

[Rigs11]

His poise,arm strength, and accuracy.

His decision making couldn't be any worse than Jakes.

If Cutler had played the entire game vs the Rams would we have been better or worse for it?

Better.

Same this week.

His decision making couldn't have been worse? Really? A rookie with the pressure that Plummer faced at St. Louis? Come on. You're being a homer. Poise? Against 2nd and 3rd string defenses? Of course.I'll give you the arm strength and accuracy.I wonder how come no one is blaming the coaching and their dumb downed and predictable playcalling.

[Alkazar]

One thing that I've noticed about Jake this year is that he can't make passes to the flat or short sideline throws. He is always so far off target on those tosses it ain't even funny and every single time the receiver has been so open they could've gotten at least 10 yards if not more except Jake couldn't hit them. Whatsup wit dat Jake?

[ScottXray]

Once we get the running game going and figure out how to open holes for the Bells, Jake will return to winning form. Starting Jay would doom our season because he's just not as experienced in reading NFL defenses.

It is EVIDENT that Jake doesn't BOTHER to read the defense, IF he is capable of that. We don't have an abreviated game plan , limited to half the field, because Jake can read defenses better. For a player in their 10th season, Jake is AWFUL.

The only reason Jake is in there is because we came close to going all the way last year.

As to the reasons for the Offensive ineptitude...
1. Jake has lost arm strength?
2. Jake has no confidence since we drafted Cutler?
3. No Mike Anderson...Tatum and Mike Bell aren't good enough?
4. Our Offensive line IS getting OLD. Maybe THEY are the problem?
5. Rod Smith Has Lost a step?
6. Pittsburgh showed everyone how to beat Denver and Plummer.
7. Poor game plans by Shanahan? The loss of Kubiak?

IT DOESN'T MATTER. 'The team has to find a way to get the offense going!

Perhaps the BEST thing that happened yesterday was Rod Smith getting knocked out of the game. It MADE Plummer look elsewhere,check hsi reads, and throw halfway decent balls. I hope Rod is OK, but for right now I wouldn't mind if he sat a few games.

IF we can weather the storm in the first half of the season (not likely if the offense doesn't improve) and come out at least 5-3 then Jake will stay the starter. Right now our offense is on life support. If Jake plays like he HAS the first two weeks , the NEXT two games I think Shanahan will pull the plug and Transplant Cutler into the starting line-up, because we will be 1-3. Maybe he will wait for 1-4.:welcome:

[freak6]

Jake was incredibly inaccurate yesterday as Alkazar said. It's so frustrating. I'd love to see Cutler get a shot and see what he can do with the first team. Right now, Jake aint it.

[Drek]

Jake's got at least the first four games (through week 5, Baltimore). If we're 1-3 by then we can begin to consider a QB change. Even then I'd be hesitant until we're at least through the first half of our season, having faced off with Indy and Pittsburgh.

[freak6]

If Jak'e QB rating is below 70 this week, and we lose, which we will if it is more than likely, Cutler HAS to start.

[bloodsunday]

Our running game is already very good. We could get them to elite status but the biggest improvement in this offense is going to come from the passing game clicking on the intermediate routes.
Quoted for turth. (And because I was beaten down for criticizing our running game last week.)

[Orange_Beard]

Wow, another Plummer poll. I am riveted.

[bloodsunday]

I say we let Jake play. Its not going to help him by boooing at the game. Are we really that quick to forget last season?

Although I am leaning toward making a move at QB, I agree with this. It doesn't help anyone to boo your own team. Although, if I paid $65 (plus $7 a beer and $20 to park) to go watch a football, then I guess I'd boo a 5 field goal game.

[bloodsunday]

Jake's got at least the first four games (through week 5, Baltimore). If we're 1-3 by then we can begin to consider a QB change. Even then I'd be hesitant until we're at least through the first half of our season, having faced off with Indy and Pittsburgh.

I think that is too absolute, and if it happens that way could be too late. Shanahan needs to be in tune with which guy he believes gives us the better chance to win this week, period. As soon as he decides he has lost too much confidence in Jake, then he has to pull the trigger, whether its today or next year. It's not fair to the team or the fans to have some absolute benchmark if you aren't confident in the guy right now. Having said that, I think more patience is needed and doubt Shanny has reached such a conclusion just yet.

[Tom H.]

How about an option where you can select "Start Jake and don't boo him as he plays"

[freak6]

His decision making couldn't have been worse? Really? A rookie with the pressure that Plummer faced at St. Louis? Come on. You're being a homer. Poise? Against 2nd and 3rd string defenses? Of course.I'll give you the arm strength and accuracy.I wonder how come no one is blaming the coaching and their dumb downed and predictable playcalling.

Did you see him shred the Cards first team D.

In game 3 he tore up the Titans first team D too.

Doh!!!

You really think Cutler would have done worse in the last 2 games???

bwa ha ha

[BroncsRule]

Shanny will start Cutler the week after he figgures out that he will not win this year's superbowl with Jake under center.

If we go 1-3 with continued lacckluster offensive performances, you could see Jay against the Raiders.

If we win a couple more, Jake's the man 'till we rack up our 7th loss.

[Rock Chalk]

We are going 3-1 adn you people are faithless Mohammad whores if you believe otherwise.

Bleh.

[defenseman]

Once we get the running game going and figure out how to open holes for the Bells, Jake will return to winning form. Starting Jay would doom our season because he's just not as experienced in reading NFL defenses.

Optimism. Well, for our sakes and the broncos sake, I hope you are correct. However, I took my orange colored glasses off and to be quite honest the offense is having major issues. Don't see that getting corrected in one week. But, we'll see...dman

[freak6]

We are going 3-1 adn you people are faithless Mohammad whores if you believe otherwise.

Bleh.

Hey look, a religious person calling another religion wrong.

Omg, and he is a rightwing nut at that. I am just as shocked as I am appalled.

NOT.

We aren't faithless. We are smart. I guess if we don't predict us going 16-0 we are jihadist sympathizers.

Fearmongering might work with uneducated southern white trash, but this is a Bronco football board Alec. Take your hate and place it elsewhere, you sound like a crazy redneck.

[BroncsRule]

Hey now -

let's keep the political discourse on the short bus where it belongs.

Although I will admit I laughed at "faithless Mohammad whores"..

To clarify, I'm not "wishing" or "hoping" or even predicting that we're going to go 1-3.

I'm just saying that if we do - you'll see Jay C.

[loborugger]

So much has been said, that there is little else to add...

However, if we pull Jake, we better do it for good. As in, you're done and a permenant back up as long as you are here in Denver. Pulling him, restarting him, etc will only make his play worse.

I am for keeping Jake for a while longer. You gotta play better, buddy... there are a lot of still pulling for ya.