Miami Trustees in emergency session tomorrow to decide Coker's fate

[SoCalBronco]

Per some of the insiders on a few different Miami boards. 3 options on the table.

1) Do nothing.
2) Fire and buyout Coker but let him finish out the season.
3) Fire and buyout Coker and immediately install Shannon as the interim HC

Reportedly, Butch Davis is No. 1 on the list if Coker gets canned, which tells me that Pete Garcia is in charge and is basically going to be the new AD.

I have mixed feelings about Butch. Aside from being a poor gameday coach, there are certain inherent character defects that would be a problem. He'd do a fine job recruiting with Pete Garcia and install some more discipline, but I'd rather go for Schiano, come back please Greg!!!! Schiano is first. He actually could have had this job 6 years ago if he didnt leave for Rutgers before the Sugar Bowl. Even though he sucked cock today, Shannon would prolly be 2nd on my list.

Chris Hatcher of Valdosta State would be solid as well. He's in Division II but he definitely is worthy of a shot.

[SoCalBronco]

It seems University President Donna Shalala is trying to force the recently retired Barry Alvarez's name into the conversation. How predictable.

[Florida_Bronco]

Man, Miami ain't doing too hot this year.

[SoCalBronco]

Man, Miami ain't doing too hot this year.

Yeah, Bob has a better chance of getting some action than we have of scoring more than one touchdown against a real opponent.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah, Bob has a better chance of getting some action than we have of scoring more than one touchdown against a real opponent.

Sounds like you need to schedule a game against Colorado :spit:

[SoCalBronco]

Update: Coker has already been FIRED, tomorrow's meeting will simply make it official.

Per a former UM QB.


Thank God (if true).

[Florida_Bronco]

Update: Coker has already been FIRED, tomorrow's meeting will simply make it official.

Per a former UM QB.


Thank God (if true).

I wonder if they will try to bring back some of the coaches he fired.

[daniel80111]

Should look at top assistants around the country. I'm not a big believer in bringing people back.

[BroncoBuff]

Update: Coker has already been FIRED, tomorrow's meeting will simply make it official.

Per a former UM QB.


Thank God (if true).

And you want Butch back?

[BroncoBuff]

Yeah, Bob has a better chance of getting some action than we have of scoring more than one touchdown against a real opponent.

"MORE than one touchdown"?

Cry me a river ... at my school, the same thing can be said, but substitute "A" for "more than one." Not funny.

[SpringStein]

SoCal - is this purely speculation and internet rumor - or does it have credibility?

[NaptownChief]

He is 12-8 in his last 20 games.....He is a turd and should be fired. And after watching the Canes stomp on the Cardinal before the game yesterday I must say that ass kicking they got was well deserved. Talk about bunch of classless losers.

[Garcia Bronco]

this is bull**** if Coker gets fired. He's a great coach for Miami. Hopefully this is all a terrible rumor.

[Northman]

Dont know about that but i know why you love it Garcia. lol None the less, Coker has only had success with Butch's leftovers and hasnt done much since. He gets totally outcoached and its very wasteful with the talent that Miami has.

[shakenbake]

this is bull**** if Coker gets fired. He's a great coach for Miami. Hopefully this is all a terrible rumor.

I agree. Coker is a great coach for Miami.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

It's Clintons fault for letting Shalala become the UM President.

Maybe that will bring LABF into the conversation ;D

[youcandoit1687]

congrats socal. i guess we can be both be happy about the 40-3 peach bowl

[anthonypacino]

Socal, you gotta give more info, I have been off the grid for a few days...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/09/20/cfb.mailbag/index.html

Miami makeover
Possible replacements for Coker, OU fans' ire, more
Posted: Wednesday September 20, 2006 12:12PM; Updated: Wednesday September 20, 2006 4:00PM


Since taking over at Miami in 2001, Larry Coker is 54-11, but the 'Canes have declined in the past few seasons.

Bored on a plane recently, I attempted to compile from memory a list of every game I've covered for SI.com since 1999. I'm confident I correctly recalled at least 95 percent of them. (Although there was one week in 2003 that was just a complete black hole in my memory bank. I'm talking no recollection of my possible whereabouts that weekend. It must have been some game.)

Upon doing some analysis of said list, I found that I've covered far more games involving Miami (16) than any other team (next closest: USC at 10). Of those 16, Larry Coker was the Hurricanes' head coach for 15. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm feeling a bit somber now that it's all but a foregone conclusion that Coker, one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, will no longer be coaching Miami after this season. The program has been on a progressive decline for years now, and last Saturday's blowout loss at Louisville merely served as the most telling confirmation to date. Athletic director Paul Dee's spin was that the 1-2 'Canes could still win the ACC. Technically that's true. And technically I could still marry Scarlett Johansson.

It's an ugly situation in Coral Gables these days, to be sure, but it has created an interesting subplot: How often do we get to spend three months debating who will get one of the most coveted jobs in college football?

Now that the Larry Coker Watch is officially underway, should Miami just rehire Butch Davis?
-- Nicholas, Atlanta

As a Rutgers fan, how worried should I be that the coach who finally turned the Titanic around, Greg Schiano, will bolt for his old homestead once Larry Coker gets the boot?
-- Dan Zolin, Wilmington, Del.

Both are intriguing possibilities but by no means sure things. Davis burned a lot of bridges at UM when he abruptly bolted for the Browns right before Signing Day in 2001. Would most 'Canes fans welcome him back with open arms? Absolutely. Would Dee? That I'm not so sure about (though, according to Tuesday's South Florida Sun-Sentinel, there may be a movement afoot at the school to force Dee out with Coker). Schiano is an ideal fit in a lot of ways -- he's continued to recruit South Florida hard while at Rutgers -- but it's a big step up from running a longtime Big East doormat to a longtime national juggernaut. Miami may prefer someone more experienced.

Obviously, Miami has the cachet to attract some very big names. The question is, will it be able to afford one? Despite all those national titles, the 'Canes do not do overly well attendance-wise at the Orange Bowl and are not as well-funded as many of the nation's elite programs, and it's already going to cost the school an arm and a leg to buy out Coker after it just gave him a fat contract extension last year. For the right price, Miami could probably land someone like Tommy Tuberville (a former Miami assistant under Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson) or Rich Rodriguez, or perhaps go the Pete Carroll/Charlie Weis NFL route. If Miami gets rebuffed, or if it can't afford it, expect Schiano's phone to be ringing. (Note: Schiano's spot on the call list could rise exponentially if Rutgers beats Louisville and/or West Virginia this season.)

[Kaylore]

Coker has you guys horribly underachieving. You should have at least showed up for that Luisville game.

[Northman]

I agree with that. Miami used to be a scoring machine and now........wait a minute, maybe my Cavs can win this year? :))))))))))))) lmao

[ludo21]

So he is fired and gone now?

[-Slap-]

Per some of the insiders on a few different Miami boards. 3 options on the table.

1) Do nothing.
2) Fire and buyout Coker but let him finish out the season.
3) Fire and buyout Coker and immediately install Shannon as the interim HC

Reportedly, Butch Davis is No. 1 on the list if Coker gets canned, which tells me that Pete Garcia is in charge and is basically going to be the new AD.

I have mixed feelings about Butch. Aside from being a poor gameday coach, there are certain inherent character defects that would be a problem. He'd do a fine job recruiting with Pete Garcia and install some more discipline, but I'd rather go for Schiano, come back please Greg!!!! Schiano is first. He actually could have had this job 6 years ago if he didnt leave for Rutgers before the Sugar Bowl. Even though he sucked cock today, Shannon would prolly be 2nd on my list.

Chris Hatcher of Valdosta State would be solid as well. He's in Division II but he definitely is worthy of a shot.

I thought you would freak when you heard Butch Davis' name come up again.

[BroncoBuff]

SoCal ... why are your Penguin colors orange?


Is that an OrangeMane thing?

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal ... why are your Penguin colors orange?


Is that an OrangeMane thing?

Good question. I dunno. I have seen that triangular penguin both in regular yellow (see below) and with a slight orange tint too, as you can see above in my av and also below in a puck poster. I like them either way, just because I like the triangular penguin logo (which the team used from 1993-2000) over what they have been using the last five years which is just a small variation of the pre-1993 skating penguin. The skating penguin uses more of a gold than yellow or orange really (see below), but mainly i just don't like it because it looks too cartoonish and juvenile. I loved the triangular penguin, thankfully they still have it as a small shoulder patch on their jersies now, albeit the skating penguin is still the dominant chest patch (sucks).

Triangular Penguin with yellow

http://www.toursport.com/pittsburgh_penguins_2000.gif

Triangular Penguin with orangeish yellow (similar to the one I am using)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AABP038~Pittsburgh-Penguins-Team-Logo-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Skating Penguin (current dominant team logo, with gold....gay)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/Pittsburgh_Penguins.gif/225px-Pittsburgh_Penguins.gif

[NaptownChief]

Coker has you guys horribly underachieving. You should have at least showed up for that Luisville game.


Reminds me a lot of the Lloyd Carr job at Michigan minus that shocker they pulled out of the hat last weekend. Carr is a turd that gets as little as possible out of those top notch recruiting classes that the Michigan football tradition brings in year after year. Their bad years should be 2 losses, their normal years 1 loss and good years should be national titiles....For that turd to post a 7-5 season last year is off the charts.

Coker is right there with him.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

SoCal - Just heard a sports writer from Louisville say on the radio that he expect Petrino to go to Miami.

[anthonypacino]

Reminds me a lot of the Lloyd Carr job at Michigan minus that shocker they pulled out of the hat last weekend. Carr is a turd that gets as little as possible out of those top notch recruiting classes that the Michigan football tradition brings in year after year. Their bad years should be 2 losses, their normal years 1 loss and good years should be national titiles....For that turd to post a 7-5 season last year is off the charts.

Coker is right there with him.

One big difference, the legendary Bo Schembelcher handpicked Lloyd Carr to take his place...he will be there as long as he wants, all that hot seat talk is crap and right now for Buckeye fans that is as important to us as Al Davis staying in charge of the Raiders.

[Breck Bronc]

SoCal - Just heard a sports writer from Louisville say on the radio that he expect Petrino to go to Miami.That would be amazing, though I doubt it will happen.

[NaptownChief]

One big difference, the legendary Bo Schembelcher handpicked Lloyd Carr to take his place...he will be there as long as he wants, all that hot seat talk is crap and right now for Buckeye fans that is as important to us as Al Davis staying in charge of the Raiders.


That is probably true...If I were I UM supporter I wouldn't stand for it however...As a Indiana guy I'm glad he is there and hope he stays there for many more years as they would be off the charts scary with a good coach and that traditions ability to pull in recruits.

[Mediator12]

When the F*** are they going to Can Jeff Bowden??? Damn it Socal, get here done! Miami can not git rid of Coker, unless FSU gets rid of Bowden.
BS.

[youcandoit1687]

ouch, coker HAS to be gone after today. granted there is only so much a coach can do in that situation and FIU did initiate it but u gotta think that a better coached team would have responded better.

[SoCalBronco]

ouch, coker HAS to be gone after today. granted there is only so much a coach can do in that situation and FIU did initiate it but u gotta think that a better coached team would have responded better.

I don't have a problem with the fight. They attacked our guy, I'm glad we responded. However, what Anthony Reddick in particular did was completely out of line. He should be done for the season. I do have a problem scoring only 35 on FIU. That's a joke, as is Coker. Anyway, he is already done. He has already been informed that unless he wins the ACC, he is out. Unfortuneatly, this is a bad year for the ACC, so I'd like to think that if he pulls it off, the Board of Trustees will still fire him....even with a BCS bowl win, but I don't think they have the balls to do that. Still, even with the bad ACC, I don't see how we could possibly win it. GT is going to thump us in a few weeks, I think BC will as well. The VT game will just be an ugly game, two poor teams, could go either way.

[Breck Bronc]

I don't have a problem with the fight. They attacked our guy, I'm glad we responded. However, what Anthony Reddick in particular did was completely out of line. He should be done for the season. I do have a problem scoring only 35 on FIU. That's a joke, as is Coker. Anyway, he is already done. He has already been informed that unless he wins the ACC, he is out. Unfortuneatly, this is a bad year for the ACC, so I'd like to think that if he pulls it off, the Board of Trustees will still fire him....even with a BCS bowl win, but I don't think they have the balls to do that. Still, even with the bad ACC, I don't see how we could possibly win it. GT is going to thump us in a few weeks, I think BC will as well. The VT game will just be an ugly game, two poor teams, could go either way.This brawl was the best thing to happen to ESPN since TO's overdose/suicide. They love when something like this happens and it involves Miami, even though the fight was started when FIU inexplicably went after our kicker and holder.

ESPN's "coverage" of the 7th Floor Crew song last year was a joke. Now they've got Lou Holtz saying on national TV that this brawl was worse than his South Carolina team brawling with Clemson two years ago (I loved the way he said it; why is this guy on TV anyway?). Mark May is calling for scholarships to be taken away. Come on, give the worst offenders suspensions and be done with it.

I saw the brawl live on the internet stream provided on grassy and Lamar Thomas was hilarious throughout the fight. He'll probably never get to announce a game again, but he went out on top, that's for sure.

[Kaylore]

For what it's worth the coverage has repeatedly pointed out the FIU guys started it. I don't think the brawl is being covered because it's Miami. It's being covered because it's one of the biggest meltodowns in college football in recent history. I mean double-digit numbers of players suspended? Sorry, Breck. That's definitely news.

[Breck Bronc]

For what it's worth the coverage has repeatedly pointed out the FIU guys started it. I don't think the brawl is being covered because it's Miami. It's being covered because it's one of the biggest meltodowns in college football in recent history. I mean double-digit numbers of players suspended? Sorry, Breck. That's definitely news.It's news, of course. The ESPN coverage is still a joke. Mark May calling for scholarships to be taken away and Lou ****ing Holtz of all people saying this was worse than Clemson vs. South Carolina is laughable. Lou Holtz has no place as an analyst, anyway. He left Minnesota in disgrace, Notre Dame in disgrace, and South Carolina in disgrace. And he has a nasty lisp. Get him off my TV. Reece Davis can go **** himself, too.

[youcandoit1687]

ok, i havent seen the angle from behind to see what was the catalyst, can someone inform me? all i have seen is a flag is thrown from behind the kicker and then all hell breaks loose.

[Kaylore]

It's news, of course. The ESPN coverage is still a joke. Mark May calling for scholarships to be taken away and Lou ****ing Holtz of all people saying this was worse than Clemson vs. South Carolina is laughable. Lou Holtz has no place as an analyst, anyway. He left Minnesota in disgrace, Notre Dame in disgrace, and South Carolina in disgrace. And he has a nasty lisp. Get him off my TV. Reece Davis can go **** himself, too.

Of course Holtz said that. He's praying everyone believes him on the off-chance people will forget about his rowdy good-bye.

[Garcia Bronco]

All the Miami player did on the TD was bow to the crowd. ESPN encourages that behavior with their Chad Johnson glorification. Then on the PAT is when the meltdown started...And Don Strock's(Don Strock played for Virginia Tech) guys started it.

[Garcia Bronco]

The score at the time of the Brawl was 14-0 in the 3rd...and they had just scored 7 of those.

[Master___Pain]

The U got into an on the field brawl?!? Where have I seen that before?

I don't see how any can defend what happened on Sat. A little tussle okay, but that was disgusting. Both teams are at fault. Helmets being swung, body slams, head stomping. It was a black eye for college football.

[azbroncfan]

Man I hate the U. They let these animals go to school and let them live an NFL lifestyle. This has to be the biggest bunch of thugs around and how anyone could route for them is beyond me. That being said that was one of the funniest fights/maylay I have ever seen. These thugs went back to primal instincts and acted like a seen from braveheart. To top it off when they all were jumping up and down holding helmets up in the air was as funny as anything and Coker should of stopped that.

[Northman]

Its even worse than i thought. FIU isnt cleared from all this either but Miami is really showing bad signs here. Forget the fact off the bat that some Miami players are using their helmets as weapons. Now we find out that a former player in the booth is actually ROOTING them on. Yep, thats right. Former player Lamar Thomas who has also been charged with Assault and Battery on his pregnant wife was proclaiming " You dont come into the U and start talking Trash! If you talk trash here you deserve to get your ass kicked! I feel like going down there now watching all this! ". Oh yea, this is totally classy. How this moron even got this gig to start with is amazing but he should be fired IMMEDIATELY.

To make things worse? The County Police ( See Master Pains sig ) brought 700 at risk kids to the ballgame for the Join a Team, Not a Gang program. LMAO. Yea, way to show those kids how its done guys. I understand one player is suspended indefinitely but there should be more suspended for more than 1 game. 1 game? Against Duke? What a ****ing joke. Miami's backups could beat Duke. If your going to pvssy out at least suspend them for a meaningful game against a better apponent say like VaTech or something. And supposedly no coaches or staff are going to lose their jobs over this. Ridiculous. Miami has become a HUGE embarrassment to the ACC. Very disappointing.

[Breck Bronc]

Man, you'd think there had never been a brawl in college football before Saturday night the way ESPN has been covering FIU/Miami. I listened to ESPN Radio all day and my alma mater was crucified for hours on end. Good times!

I think Anthony Reddick and Brandon Merriweather should be suspended for the rest of the season, but I have no problem with how the rest of the team responded to their teammates being attacked. ESPN is doing a great job in trying to bring the program down, but it will only make it stronger in the long run. Coker will be gone soon, surely replaced by an actual competent coach.

I loved the team coming together after the brawl and putting their helmets in the air. Unlike what ESPN will tell you, they weren't celebrating getting into a fight, they were unifying as a team for the first time all year. The defense and offense have been fractured all season, not even talking to each other at times. Now they've got each others' backs.

And to people like az, go **** yourselves!

[Breck Bronc]

I understand one player is suspended indefinitely but there should be more suspended for more than 1 game. 1 game? Against Duke? What a ****ing joke. Miami's backups could beat Duke. If your going to pvssy out at least suspend them for a meaningful game against a better apponent say like VaTech or something. And supposedly no coaches or staff are going to lose their jobs over this. Ridiculous. Miami has become a HUGE embarrassment to the ACC. Very disappointing.Not this year.

It's not Miami's fault that Duke is next on the schedule. What are we going to do, wait a week for the Georgia Tech game to suspend the kids that got a 1 game suspension?

The entire coaching staff is going to lose their jobs at the end of the season, anyway. The school President isn't going to fire the coaching staff over this because FIU started the whole damn thing; they're going to get fired because they can't recruit or coach offense, not because FIU decided to attack the kicker and holder.

Did Tommy Bowden get fired after the Clemson/SC brawl?

[Northman]

Not this year.

It's not Miami's fault that Duke is next on the schedule. What are we going to do, wait a week for the Georgia Tech game to suspend the kids that got a 1 game suspension?

The entire coaching staff is going to lose their jobs at the end of the season, anyway. The school President isn't going to fire the coaching staff over this because FIU started the whole damn thing; they're going to get fired because they can't recruit or coach offense, not because FIU decided to attack the kicker and holder.

Did Tommy Bowden get fired after the Clemson/SC brawl?



Yes, they should wait until the Tech game. Send a message that this kind of behavior wont be tolerated. And what does this have to do with Bowden? Last time i checked Clemson doesnt have a record of getting into Brawls. What about what happened at Louisville? The players going to the emblem at center field and stomping around on it. Not that it mattered much in the end as they got stomped by Louie but the point is Miami's behavior has been very poor. Supposedly Butch Davis had brought them out of the negative light only to see them go right back into it. This hasnt been one incident involving Miami Breck. This isnt about just a brawl, this is about a particular school continuing to get into serious issues. I dont give a **** who started it, you dont behave like that . Miami is a top notch school and those players should represent that on the field at ALL times. I know your a Miami fan but come on.

[Master___Pain]

Maybe I'm wrong here (and feel free to correct me), and I respect both Brec and Socal, but I don't seem to remember reading anything condemning that happened on Saturday. I am seeing a lot of quasi defending of the brawl as if it was espn that started the fight. Brec did acknowledge that Merriweather and Reddick should be gone but that was the closest thing to admonishing Da U.

Granted, the media is blowing this out of proportion somewhat, but there's no denying that is was a disgusting event.

[Breck Bronc]

Maybe I'm wrong here (and feel free to correct me), and I respect both Brec and Socal, but I don't seem to remember reading anything condemning that happened on Saturday. I am seeing a lot of quasi defending of the brawl as if it was espn that started the fight. Brec did acknowledge that Merriweather and Reddick should be gone but that was the closest thing to admonishing Da U.

Granted, the media is blowing this out of proportion somewhat, but there's no denying that is was a disgusting event.Well, when everyone in the country is piling on what do you expect an alum and fan to do? It was a fight, nothing more, nothing less; I don't really think it matters if we condemn it or not. I would rather the brawl didn't happen, but you've got to do something when opposing players are punching and kicking in the head of your holder and kicker after a PAT. As I said, only Meriweather and Reddick did anything really egregious on my side and they should be suspended for the season.

I liken the media today to what CU dealt with after the rape/recruiting stuff. It was blown out of proportion then and this is being blown out of proportion now. I’m sure you didn’t like your team and school referred to as the Rapealoes and all the other crap they got, just like I don’t like my team called a bunch of thugs and animals.

It wasn't a disgusting event, it was a fight where nobody got hurt except for one school's reputation that had successfully changed its rep for over a decade. The 2006 season has totally erased all the hard work. In the end trying to be Mr. Nice Guy isn’t worth it -- middle America and the big media wants Miami to be an “outlaw“ program. There always has to be a villain.

[Florida_Bronco]

I hear what you are saying Breck. Erickson pretty much let that team run wild, and this incident will reverse all the progress they've made recently.

[SoCalBronco]

Man I hate the U. They let these animals go to school and let them live an NFL lifestyle. This has to be the biggest bunch of thugs around and how anyone could route for them is beyond me.

So if one of the Raiders stomped on Rod Smith last night, you would be in favor of not responding at all?

Maybe, instead of making ignorant assumptions, it might be better if you actually looked at why the fight occured.

[Breck Bronc]

My main beef is with ESPN's all day, all media coverage of the brawl, as if it were a terrorist attack or school shooting.

http://img.stern.de/_content/53/26/532610/_S_CAROLINA_CLEMSON_BRAWL_S_600.jpg

I know this 2004 brawl wasn't covered like this.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

My main beef is with ESPN's all day, all media coverage of the brawl, as if it were a terrorist attack or school shooting.

http://img.stern.de/_content/53/26/532610/_S_CAROLINA_CLEMSON_BRAWL_S_600.jpg

I know this 2004 brawl wasn't covered like this.

That looks like what happened to the Miami players last time they played at Notre Shame. First play of the game the Miami Wr was forced out of bounds and the entire ND sideline surronded him and started kicking him. That was after the ND fams poured urine and cooking oil on the Miami players as they come on to the field.

[youcandoit1687]

the clemson SC game was the exact same weekend as the ron artest brawl so no it didnt get as much coverage.

neither team had the reputation that miami(fairly or not) has to go with them. miami has gotten the reputation of thugs, etc. because of some of the players that have played for them(willie williams, sean taylor, ray ray, and some other minor offenders). all of these schools have their fair share of troubled kids but it does seem like miami seems to have more of em. they were also in a brawl against LSU in the peach bowl last year and have had other smaller incidents(like the stomping on the lousiville cardinal, all that crap from the (fiesta?) against nebraska with like the camouflage outfits with jimmy johnson, etc.) things like that are burnt into the media and the people's minds and its what a lot think of when they think of miami. just like marcus vick, just like maurice clarett, oakland raiders, cincinnatti bengals, they may be nice people but they have had very embarassing public incidents happen to them that may or may not have been blown out of proportion but happened nevertheless.

i feel for ya breck and socal and you two seem like very nice guys but that was not cool what happened on saturday. defending your teammates would be to shove the FIUs away and then stop, no need to get them down and stomp on them, body slam them, etc.

[azbroncfan]

So if one of the Raiders stomped on Rod Smith last night, you would be in favor of not responding at all?

Maybe, instead of making ignorant assumptions, it might be better if you actually looked at why the fight occured.

To say the U doesn't promote thug lifestyle is a joke for one. Another I don't have a problem with the brawl it was quite entertaining, but after it was all said and done and Coker lets them jump up and down like they won a tribal war in africa was a joke. Just wondering how did you become a Miami fan??? are you alumni or a Miami resident?

[24champ]

I hope to see some scholarships revoked, players stomping ( not very manlike, girls do that ****) and using helmets as a weapon is not acceptable in football.

my comments in bold...
Originally Posted by AP
MIAMI - Of all the disturbing images from the sideline-clearing brawl between Miami and Florida International, swift and stern punishment was handed out Monday for the three that stood out the most:

_ Miami's Anthony Reddick wielding his helmet as a weapon and smashing it into an FIU player. His one-game suspension was increased to an indefinite one. Oh please, "indefinite?" Kick his ass out of college football already. What little respect I had for Florida football is quickly waning.

_ FIU's Chris Smith wrestling Miami holder Matt Perrelli down and appearing to punch him in the chin. Smith was dismissed.
That's a bit better...

_ Marshall McDuffie Jr., Smith's Golden Panthers teammate, then kicking Perrelli in the head. McDuffie was also thrown off the team.
Good...

FIU's new sanctions also included 16 other players _ each was originally handed a one-game suspension. Now they've been given an indefinite break from the game.
Nice to see that at least FIU is taking it seriously.

"This is certainly embarrassing. It's disgraceful. It's amazing. I've run out of words," FIU coach Don Strock said. "There's no place for it in college football or football period. This is way overboard. I apologize to all the fans of college football for this taking place."

The two dismissed players will remain on scholarship at FIU.
Or maybe they're not taking it seriously enough...

Officials from Miami, FIU and the Atlantic Coast and Sun Belt conferences issued 31 one-game suspensions _ to 13 Hurricanes and 18 Golden Panthers _ late Sunday, while both schools warned further punishment was possible.

Miami athletic director Paul Dee and ACC commissioner John Swofford decided Monday that Reddick _ who charged across the field within the first 30 seconds of the fight starting and swung his helmet wildly at FIU players, striking at least one _ merited more than the one-game suspension.

"Additional measures were needed," Swofford said.

FIU said its suspended players all would have to complete 10 hours of anger management counseling and 50 hours of community service, plus would be on athletic probation for the remainder of the year.

Further, all FIU players and coaches will need to complete community service projects.

"This is something that's not going to be tolerated," FIU athletic director Pete Garcia said. "We've got to use this as an example to the young kids in South Florida and all over. They need to know that yes, football is very competitive. Our society is very competitive. But we've got to make sure that we teach the youth in South Florida what's acceptable behavior and what's not."

Smith and McDuffie both took shots at Perrelli shortly after the fight began with 9 minutes left in the third quarter Saturday night.

"For us," Garcia said, "one incident is one incident too many."

Miami said it would order its suspended players to complete community service as well.

Dee added that the university's athletic department "re-emphasized" the importance of sportsmanship to coach Larry Coker and members of his staff. The brawl was the third on-field incident in Miami's past seven games; the Hurricanes also fought with LSU after losing last season's Peach Bowl and trampled Louisville's midfield Cardinals logo before playing there last month, an act viewed as taunting.

"The coaches will be held accountable for any violation of this principle," Dee said.

Coker was not available for comment Monday. He is scheduled to hold his regular weekly news conference Tuesday.
If he were smart, he'd resign over this before they fire his ass in the near future anyway.

The ACC and Miami (4-2) suspended Reddick, Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse and Randy Phillips.

All will miss Saturday's game at winless Duke.
Oh yeah, that's going to hurt them, missing a game against hapless Duke.

"Miami has quality depth at every position," Duke coach Ted Roof said. "It's not like they're going to fall off the side of the mountain."

In addition to McDuffie and Chris Smith, the Sun Belt and FIU (0-7) suspended Michael Alls, Scott Bryant, Roland Clark, Michael Dominquez, John Ellis, Cory Fleming, Reginald Jones, Robert Mitchell, Quintin Newman, Luis Pena, Jarvis Penerton, Julian Reams, Lionell Singleton, Samuel Smith, Mannie Wellington and Chandler Williams.

They'll miss FIU's next game Oct. 28 at Alabama _ at least.

"We're going to go about business as usual," Strock said. "I've been around the game a long time. It's an embarrassing moment for me as the head coach and it's something we'll certainly rectify."

And Monday's fallout wasn't limited to on-field actions, either.

Former Miami player Lamar Thomas lost his TV analyst job with Comcast Sports SouthEast Monday over comments he made during the brawl.

CSS will also edit out Thomas' comments before replaying the game later this week.

"You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked," Thomas said during the fight. "You don't come into the OB playing that stuff. You're across the ocean over there. You're across the city. You can't come over to our place talking noise like that. You'll get your butt beat."
Wow, I'm beginning to see a trend in character here. Miami football player = thug.

Said CSS general manager Mark Fuhrman: "We were disappointed in the incident that happened on the field and regret the way it was handled in the broadcast booth."

The NCAA, in a statement released Monday, called the fight "wholly unacceptable" and said it hoped the added sanctions taken by Miami and FIU shows "that such behavior is not tolerated."

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AP Sports Writers Steven Wine in Miami and Michael Marot in Indianapolis contributed to this report.

[24champ]

My main beef is with ESPN's all day, all media coverage of the brawl, as if it were a terrorist attack or school shooting.

http://img.stern.de/_content/53/26/532610/_S_CAROLINA_CLEMSON_BRAWL_S_600.jpg

I know this 2004 brawl wasn't covered like this.

Your main beef shouldn't be with how ESPN covers stories, I mean this is the same network that covered TO 24/7 when he apparently tried to commit suicide. your beef should be with how the U continues to be in brawls and embarrassing themselves and their fans.

[SoCalBronco]

To say the U doesn't promote thug lifestyle is a joke for one. Another I don't have a problem with the brawl it was quite entertaining, but after it was all said and done and Coker lets them jump up and down like they won a tribal war in africa was a joke. Just wondering how did you become a Miami fan??? are you alumni or a Miami resident?

What are you talking about? You have a very rudimentary level of knowledge of this football program, so don't go around telling me what kind of "thug lifestyle" the U promotes. In the eighties there were some problems and it got worse under Erickson in the early 90s, esp from 92-94. We completely cleaned up the program in 95 when Butch got here. Coker continued the same. When Jammi German beat up a track guy who called him a fag, he got kicked off the team immediately. When a couple LBs were simply alleged to be involved in a fracas off campus, Butch immediately suspended them before the UCLA opener in 95. Just this year, when Ryan Moore got in trouble for acting like a jerk at a nightclub, Coker took swift action and he hasnt played a single game yet this year. Even these incidents are few and far between. From 95-present this has been a class team, with class players. You can point to loudmouths like Shockey, KWII, but they are the exception rather than the rule, and even there, they are just "annoying" to some, definitely not thugs in any sense. If you look at our high profile guys, virtually all of them have been great kids. Dan Morgan, Moss, Wayne, Dorsey, Willie Mac, DJ, Vilma, Rolle, Reed etc. I don't see any of those guys in the news ever. People continue to make ignorant observations based on inaccurate and disingenuous media depictions of the program. We have not instigated a single fight in the last ten years. Last year, LSU started it and tried to punch Beason. This year FIU started it. When they are kicking and stomping on our holder, what are we supposed to do, ...just sit there? We are a family. There were members of the family that TOOK IT OVER THE LINE, like Reddick who was classless in trying to hit an FIU player with his helmet. Merriweather also took it too far and was swiftly punished. As to them jumping up and down, I didnt like that and you are right about how that looks, but there isnt much the staff could do about it (BTW, I am a Coker hater, I dont enjoy defending him at all and want him fired, but this wasnt on him)

I noticed that you intentionally evaded my question. I'll ask it again so that you can evade it again. If a Raider stomped on Rod last night, what would you propose the team to do?

[anthonypacino]

that was a pretty ugly scene on Sat. Coker has lost this entire program, I can't understand why he didn't quit after words and take the high road out. That type of behavior on either side was unexcusable. The U's players not involved but still dancing and cheering disturbed me. The former players play by play of the fight was also in bad taste. Mike Irvin tonight with his PC response of "If I had been there I would have been involved helping my teammates...and then saying that the play by play guy should have been fired for his remarks.
Miami has a good football tradition it is bad that this will tarnish it, the U needs more positive press from some of it's alum in the NFL, the stero type of the school needs to be changed, hopefully a new coach and new direction will help with that.

[Northman]

If a Raider stomped on Rod last night, what would you propose the team to do?


The team would back Rod up but they wouldnt get into the melee that Miami did. Haynesworth stomped on the cowboy but there wasnt a all out brawl because of it. Haynewworth was suspended and could have faced assault charges. If it happened to Rod a similiar thing would have happened as with the Haynesworth incident. I remember last year when a UVA offensive lineman cut low on a BC defender. He was suspended from the next game ( which did not turn into a brawl by the way ) and it was taken care of. It was a real low point for my teams reputation. You can spin it all you like but the Miami players are wrong here. This wasnt just to defend a fellow player they were outright out of control.

[Garcia Bronco]

I loved the team coming together after the brawl and putting their helmets in the air. Unlike what ESPN will tell you, they weren't celebrating getting into a fight, they were unifying as a team for the first time all year. The defense and offense have been fractured all season, not even talking to each other at times. Now they've got each others' backs.

And to people like az, go **** yourselves!

That's exactly how I saw it too.

[Northman]

That's exactly how I saw it too.



Not surprising since you defended Marcus when he stomped on that players leg in the bowl game. Ha!

[shakenbake]

In the 2004 fight between South Carolina and Clemson both teams came out and immediatlly said they would not participate in any bowl games that season. It got plenty of media attention but the schools took an appropriate action to keep it from staying in the media.

[Clockwork Orange]

Not surprising since you defended Marcus when he stomped on that players leg in the bowl game. Ha!

That player is the Broncos own Elvis Dumervil.

[Northman]

That player is the Broncos own Elvis Dumervil.



Go figure. Ha!

[shakenbake]

Check out this picture. What is #3 from FIU think he is gonna do out there? http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6064076_7_2.jpg

[Northman]

Thats hilarious. haha!

[azbroncfan]

What are you talking about? You have a very rudimentary level of knowledge of this football program, so don't go around telling me what kind of "thug lifestyle" the U promotes. In the eighties there were some problems and it got worse under Erickson in the early 90s, esp from 92-94. We completely cleaned up the program in 95 when Butch got here. Coker continued the same. When Jammi German beat up a track guy who called him a fag, he got kicked off the team immediately. When a couple LBs were simply alleged to be involved in a fracas off campus, Butch immediately suspended them before the UCLA opener in 95. Just this year, when Ryan Moore got in trouble for acting like a jerk at a nightclub, Coker took swift action and he hasnt played a single game yet this year. Even these incidents are few and far between. From 95-present this has been a class team, with class players. You can point to loudmouths like Shockey, KWII, but they are the exception rather than the rule, and even there, they are just "annoying" to some, definitely not thugs in any sense. If you look at our high profile guys, virtually all of them have been great kids. Dan Morgan, Moss, Wayne, Dorsey, Willie Mac, DJ, Vilma, Rolle, Reed etc. I don't see any of those guys in the news ever. People continue to make ignorant observations based on inaccurate and disingenuous media depictions of the program. We have not instigated a single fight in the last ten years. Last year, LSU started it and tried to punch Beason. This year FIU started it. When they are kicking and stomping on our holder, what are we supposed to do, ...just sit there? We are a family. There were members of the family that TOOK IT OVER THE LINE, like Reddick who was classless in trying to hit an FIU player with his helmet. Merriweather also took it too far and was swiftly punished. As to them jumping up and down, I didnt like that and you are right about how that looks, but there isnt much the staff could do about it (BTW, I am a Coker hater, I dont enjoy defending him at all and want him fired, but this wasnt on him)

I noticed that you intentionally evaded my question. I'll ask it again so that you can evade it again. If a Raider stomped on Rod last night, what would you propose the team to do?
I'll answer your question again, I don't have a problem with the fight just to the extreme that it went to, and how it was handled. You never answered how you became a U fan living in CA?

[Kaylore]

Check out this picture. What is #3 from FIU think he is gonna do out there? http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6064076_7_2.jpg

LOL

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Check out this picture. What is #3 from FIU think he is gonna do out there? http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6064076_7_2.jpg

Actually, I beleive he started swinging the crutches.

[Pezman]

I'll answer your question again, I don't have a problem with the fight just to the extreme that it went to, and how it was handled. You never answered how you became a U fan living in CA?

AZ, that question is irrelevant to the conversation. Why are you a Broncos fan living in the desert? Its a silly point to make in this situation. Who we root for has nothing to do with it....

[SoCalBronco]

I'll answer your question again, I don't have a problem with the fight just to the extreme that it went to, and how it was handled. You never answered how you became a U fan living in CA?

I don't believe in the concept of locality when it comes to sports. I think it is an arbitrary way of choosing teams (at least for me, I am not going to criticize how others pick their teams). I do not happen to really like any LA teams (although I sorta like the Clippers, just don't care for Basketball too much, kinda keep an eye on the young Bulls in in the East). All my teams are in other cities. Denver...Univ of Miami....Pittsburgh Penguins (and to a much lesser extent, the New Jersey Devils)....Chicago White Sox. The reason I chose each was because each was intrinsically more special than any other team in the respective sports. I just find each of these clubs more naturally attractive to me than the other teams...there is some intrinsic quality about each of them. That is how I choose. Some teams simply "do it for me" and others flat out dont. I have loyally supported all of these clubs every year since I first got into sports in the very early 90s.

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't believe in the concept of locality when it comes to sports. I think it is an arbitrary way of choosing teams (at least for me, I am not going to criticize how others pick their teams). I do not happen to really like any LA teams (although I sorta like the Clippers, just don't care for Basketball too much, kinda keep an eye on the young Bulls in in the East). All my teams are in other cities. Denver...Univ of Miami....Pittsburgh Penguins (and to a much lesser extent, the New Jersey Devils)....Chicago White Sox. The reason I chose each was because each was intrinsically more special than any other team in the respective sports. I just find each of these clubs more naturally attractive to me than the other teams...there is some intrinsic quality about each of them. That is how I choose. Some teams simply "do it for me" and others flat out dont. I have loyally supported all of these clubs every year since I first got into sports in the very early 90s.

REP...very well said bro.

[azbroncfan]

I don't believe in the concept of locality when it comes to sports. I think it is an arbitrary way of choosing teams (at least for me, I am not going to criticize how others pick their teams). I do not happen to really like any LA teams (although I sorta like the Clippers, just don't care for Basketball too much, kinda keep an eye on the young Bulls in in the East). All my teams are in other cities. Denver...Univ of Miami....Pittsburgh Penguins (and to a much lesser extent, the New Jersey Devils)....Chicago White Sox. The reason I chose each was because each was intrinsically more special than any other team in the respective sports. I just find each of these clubs more naturally attractive to me than the other teams...there is some intrinsic quality about each of them. That is how I choose. Some teams simply "do it for me" and others flat out dont. I have loyally supported all of these clubs every year since I first got into sports in the very early 90s.

If I look at all those teams you mentioned it shows me you picked the winning teams of the times you became a sports fan. That's fine, still doesn't change the fact that Miami produces a thug attitude that might have been dormant during davis's tenure but is making a strong comback. I will lay off the U for now as I agree to disagree.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2629134&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

[azbroncfan]

AZ, that question is irrelevant to the conversation. Why are you a Broncos fan living in the desert? Its a silly point to make in this situation. Who we root for has nothing to do with it....

Easy, I grew up in Salt Lake City, my choices for local teams were 49ers which would of been easy to jump on since lots of local utah coaches and players went there and they were a dynasty or the Broncos. I choose Broncos. I route for A's, local team for Utah. Jazz obviously and Hockey since when I grew up there was no local team I route for FLyers because I lived in Philly for a couple years. Don't route for any AZ team only lived here for a couple years and I live in Palm Springs part of the time now. My job requires I'm on the road a lot but never change teams and always stick to my roots.

[Garcia Bronco]

Go figure. Ha!

It is ironic isn't it.

[shakenbake]

I just heard on the raido that this issue has been resolved. Donna Shalala has placed the players involved on double secret probation.

[Sideburn]

Check out this picture. What is #3 from FIU think he is gonna do out there? http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6064076_7_2.jpg

Check out his name. It's fvcking NEO. He was probably about to start flying around and sh!t when a bunch of Smith's jumped on him.

[-Slap-]

Thoughts:

Miami going out to midfield to dance on Louisville's logo (before getting pasted 31-7 ROFL!) could have easily provoked the same kind of reaction.

Why in hell is FIU on the schedule anyway? Their campus is about ten miles away from The U and 90% of the program consists of kids who wanted to go to Miami, but couldn't make it and now hate everything about the school. Talk about potential for disaster.

Blaming Lamar Thomas for just behaving like what he is doesn't seem like a productive use of time. I would like to know how on earth FOX hired him in the first place. He's been arrested half a dozen times for violence against his pregnant fiancee and gun charges and other infractions. He was committed to a mental hospital for awhile. Nice standards.

Miami isn't as bad as they once were. Nor as bad as other rebel programs from years past, but they're always going to have things like this pop up to plague them. I had a hard time believing that program honestly cares much about their image when they keep recruiting guys like recently washed out Willie Williams and his arm length rap sheet.

[Garcia Bronco]

Speaking of Marcus...the Phins called him up to the squad from the PS

[Northman]

Speaking of Marcus...the Phins called him up to the squad from the PS



I guess they are getting really desperate. Guess they will be taking that boy from Notre Dame next year in the draft. :welcome:

[Breck Bronc]

Unfortunately, SoCal, we've got classless thugs on our cheerleading squad, too. This little thugette got what's coming to her from a ref during the Duke game on Saturday. Too much cheering, obviously. The Miami Rule in effect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/ashlena/DSC02618.jpg