A Simple Question

[Rock Chalk]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

[Florida_Bronco]

You idiot, don't you know Cutler will never do wrong and will make Jesus himself jealous?

Seriously, it's gonna get very interesting when that happens.

[TheDave]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

Does he throw picks with his left hand?

If the answer is yes, then i will go just as nuts

If the answer is no, then i will give him a break....

[Rock Chalk]

Does he throw picks with his left hand?

He might.

But does it matter if it is with his left or right? Jake, btw is 3 for 3 left handed, 1 was a pick, the other two were completed passes for positive yards :P

[TheDave]

He might.

But does it matter if it is with his left or right? Jake, btw is 3 for 3 left handed, 1 was a pick, the other two were completed passes for positive yards :P


Alec,

In all seriousness i like JP alot... problem is one minute this guy takes you to the highest of highs and the next play he throws one behind his back, eyes closed... TO THE WRONG TEAM.

He is such an easy lightning rod for criticsm it hard for me to blame people for jumping on and off his bandwagon....

[Rock Chalk]

Alec,

In all seriousness i like JP alot... problem is one minute this guy takes you to the highest of highs and the next play he throws one behind his back, eyes closed... TO THE WRONG TEAM.

He is such an easy lightning rod for criticsm it hard for me to blame people for jumping on and off his bandwagon....

Sounds like John Elway around up through his 13th year.

[TheDave]

Sounds like John Elway around up through his 13th year.

Stop that... Plummer has not shown 1/3 of the promise and/or ability of John. You know that...

I completely agree that people go overboard in their criticism of the guy, don't do the opposite and compare him to #7

[Rock Chalk]

Stop that... Plummer has not shown 1/3 of the promise and/or ability of John. You know that...

I completely agree that people go overboard in their criticism of the guy, don't do the opposite and compare him to #7

I meant the part about taking you to highs and lows.

Most people block out the bad games John had, and he had a lot of them. They block out his horrible plays and he had a lot of those too.

[eddie mac]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

Brian Griese???Hilarious!

[TheDave]

I meant the part about taking you to highs and lows.

Most people block out the bad games John had, and he had a lot of them. They block out his horrible plays and he had a lot of those too.

I agree... but there is a big difference between #7's high points and #16's high points. Like i said boss, he is just a lightning rod for this kind of stuff. Some of it deserved some not.

As for Cutler you bet people are going to be all over this kid as soon as he has a couple of bad games. Assuming he starts next year he might get half a season of leeway before the vultures come out.

[Paladin]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad.

Isn't that a predictably dumb assumption? C'mon, Alec, smarten up!!

There is no evidence available to support any prediction of how Cutler might or might not perform in any given situation or as a starting QB. Most of the speculation around here has been of the "wishful thinking" variety and probably reflects a strong desire for the Broncos to return to the dominance they once thoroughly enjoyed with Elway.

By the same token, it seems to me that the people around here who are predicting terrible things for Cutler and/or Jake are themselves clueless as to what exactly the future might or might not bring.

Thus your taunt is out or order and is extremely juvenile and not smart to boot. What if, alternatively, he were to win the SB in his first year as a starter? Would you then say that you knew all along he was going to be great?

My point is that there is little to gain in speculating about events that may or may not occur. Neither can you say that Jake will not be a great QB the rest of this year. Nor can anyone say he will actually not be any better than an average QB. I guess that's why neither you nor I am a QB talent scout or an advisor to Shanahan on QB play.

Get real.

[Rock Chalk]

I agree... but there is a big difference between #7's high points and #16's high points. Like i said boss, he is just a lightning rod for this kind of stuff. Some of it deserved some not.

As for Cutler you bet people are going to be all over this kid as soon as he has a couple of bad games. Assuming he starts next year he might get half a season of leeway before the vultures come out.

Oh man, I wish yo u were here for the Griese years. That guy could do no wrong, it was always the O-lines fault.

[TheDave]

Oh man, I wish yo u were here for the Griese years. That guy could do no wrong, it was always the O-lines fault.

I'll gaurantee i would of been right next to pops with that. Don't know why but i hated that guy from the second we drafted him, didn't make any sense just hated the pr!ck-bastard (is that a word?)

[Rock Chalk]

I'll gaurantee i would of been right next to pops with that. Don't know why but i hated that guy from the second we drafted him, didn't make any sense just hated the pr!ck-bastard (is that a word?)

I've used it from time to time (prick-bastard that is) so, yeah, its a word. At least, in my dictionary.

[-Slap-]

All young quarterbacks suffer growing pains. The stupid ass comments people make will be shoved back in their faces in quote form when Cutler takes his place as a top three quarterback.

Its gonna be fun.

[Crushaholic]

All young quarterbacks suffer growing pains. The stupid ass comments people make will be shoved back in their faces in quote form when Cutler takes his place as a top three quarterback.

Its gonna be fun.

I sincerely hope he DOES turn into a top 3 QB. I don't think we have to rush into it. That's all.

[maven]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

Lots of what if scenarios.

How about this. Jay Cutler starts. Plummer steps in this season if Jay gets hurt. 2007 rolls along, cut Plummer & sign a vet for the minimum to back Jay up.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sounds like John Elway around up through his 13th year.
This is one of the stupidest statements I've seen here in recent times (comparing Elway to Plummer).

[Kaylore]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

He's a rookie. If Jay has a game just as bad as Jake did last week, I'll say "Look! Jay Cutler is as good as our ten year Veteran!"

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?
No. Ten year vets are expected to perform at a different level than rookies in their first year starting.

[Circle Orange]

I had kind of commented on something similar to this in another thread. Everyone is assuming Cutler is all that and a bag of chips. But calm down a minute and think. If that's true, how did he escape attention of EVERYONE in the draft? It couldn't just be because he was at Vandy.

And if Cutler doesn't pan out, we'll be pulling out B/W film of this movie, inserting

(Brian Griese/Gus Frerotte/Jake Plummer/Van Pelt) in the space #6 would now occupy.

And I worry about a guy with Bubby Brister's old number. Ha!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If that's true, how did he escape attention of EVERYONE in the draft?

He didn't.

[SureShot]

I had kind of commented on something similar to this in another thread. Everyone is assuming Cutler is all that and a bag of chips. But calm down a minute and think. If that's true, how did he escape attention of EVERYONE in the draft? It couldn't just be because he was at Vandy.

And if Cutler doesn't pan out, we'll be pulling out B/W film of this movie, inserting

(Brian Griese/Gus Frerotte/Jake Plummer/Van Pelt) in the space #6 would now occupy.

And I worry about a guy with Bubby Brister's old number. Ha!


He wasn't overlooked. Joe Montana was(3rd round), and was still "all that and a bag of chips". Also Cutlers skill set is beyond any of the journeymen you listed above.

[Kaylore]

He didn't.

Well if by everyone she means everyone but Jeff Fisher, Shanahan, Phil Simms, Matt Mayock, Steve Young, Jimmy Johnson, Ron Jaworski, and Dan Marino, then I guess he did escape everyone's attention.

There's a lot of players who are great that were passed on by a lot of teams before they got picked up. If Cutler plays great, they'll look stupid and if he bombs then they'll look smart.

[baja]

<b>I expect Jay to go through growing pains I don't expect themto last 12 years</b>

[Circle Orange]

There's belief in some circles that Lienart might be the best of this group. Hard to say, I think it depends on what teams are looking for. Ideally you'd like to have a good balance between athleticism and quarterbacking skills. It's true players from smaller schools tend to be overlooked (and less hyped). Although Montana was a third pick, he was hardly from a small school with no notoriety. But oddly enough no one was impressed with him coming out, EVEN BILL WALSH. Apparently higher ups in the 49er organization convinced him to sit the future hall of famer and let him learn (the niners stunk at that time I think). Walsh worked with him and the rest as they say is history.

There's no denying Cutler's talent. The little I've seen has impressed me. The next areas to watch are pocket awareness, instinct (6th sense, very rare). His ability to visualize and make decisions quickly upfield. But it likely won't be seen yet, unless something insane happens during the season.

[gunns]

I meant the part about taking you to highs and lows.

Most people block out the bad games John had, and he had a lot of them. They block out his horrible plays and he had a lot of those too.

It isn't a matter of blocking them out it's a matter that they were few, not a lot. The difference between Plummer and Elway was that Elway could lead the team to victory when the rest of the team sucked. Elway could make the rest of the team look good and play like pro bowlers. Plummer has his great games when the rest of the team is playing well, when it's not he sucks right along with them. He's suppose to be a leader. And don't say it was my love for Elway that makes me say that. I love the Broncos winning, period. How many games can you say Plummer was the main guy in the win and how many can you say that about Elway? That's why there is no comparison.

I don't hate Plummer, I've had hope for him. The teams Plummer has had Elway would have killed for. I still don't have the confidence in Plummer when he takes the field that I had in Elway to take this team on his shoulder to a win. Say that's another example of wanting Plummer to be Elway, but I think it's what fans of any team want, confidence in their QB.

[frerottenextelway]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

If he's a 10 year vet playing like Ray Lucas, I'd be on board to dump him.

[baja]

I've used it from time to time (prick-bastard that is) so, yeah, its a word. At least, in my dictionary.
I think on the East Coast it's bastard - prick

[SureShot]

If he's a 10 year vet playing like Ray Lucas, I'd be on board to dump him.

I have a feeling Culter is no Craig Weilahan.

Flummer looked like him though.

[Rock Chalk]

All young quarterbacks suffer growing pains. The stupid ass comments people make will be shoved back in their faces in quote form when Cutler takes his place as a top three quarterback.

Its gonna be fun.

One good rep deserves another "peckerlover"

[Rock Chalk]

It isn't a matter of blocking them out it's a matter that they were few, not a lot. The difference between Plummer and Elway was that Elway could lead the team to victory when the rest of the team sucked. Elway could make the rest of the team look good and play like pro bowlers. Plummer has his great games when the rest of the team is playing well, when it's not he sucks right along with them. He's suppose to be a leader. And don't say it was my love for Elway that makes me say that. I love the Broncos winning, period. How many games can you say Plummer was the main guy in the win and how many can you say that about Elway? That's why there is no comparison.

Revisionist history, at its best. Elway had more bad plays than any QB I've ever seen, period. He also had more great plays than any QB i've ever seen. But you are a complete and total jackass to say he only had a few in his history. He had 3 superbowls FULL of bad plays. FULL of them.

I don't hate Plummer, I've had hope for him. The teams Plummer has had Elway would have killed for. I still don't have the confidence in Plummer when he takes the field that I had in Elway to take this team on his shoulder to a win. Say that's another example of wanting Plummer to be Elway, but I think it's what fans of any team want, confidence in their QB.

I dont care if you hate Plummer. This is not directed at Plummer bashers. This is directed at the dip**** morons who think the QB is the biggest problem on the team. IT DOESNT matter who are QB is, no defensive line and no pass protection = no superbowl.

Or have you forgotten the Superbowls of the 80s? I know you are an old bat and were alive then. Question is, are you so old that you have developed alzheimers? Apparently if you think Elway had only a "few bad" plays.

[Rock Chalk]

Sure did catch a lot of fish.

Dumbasses. God you people make it easy. And I really know how get get under Slappy boy's skin.

[baja]

Sure did catch a lot of fish.

Dumbasses. God you people make it easy. And I really know how get get under Slappy boy's skin.

Well now that you don't do torrents anymore I gurss you need some kind of gimick.

[Jetmeck]

I dont care if you hate Plummer. This is not directed at Plummer bashers. This is directed at the dip**** morons who think the QB is the biggest problem on the team. IT DOESNT matter who are QB is, no defensive line and no pass protection = no superbowl.




Defensive line wasn't any problem on Sunday and it is yet to be proven it even will be a problem down the road.

Sure the offensive line had a bad day, but all of those INTs were not under pressure. Jake simply didn't read the defense and/or made bad throws period.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

Some of us gave Jake 3 seasons before we came to the decision that he is not the one that will lead the team to a SB victory, and he's been in the league much longer and still does the same stupid ****.

and yes he will get more leeway from me than Jake, especially in his first 16 starts.

[SureShot]

Revisionist history, at its best. Elway had more bad plays than any QB I've ever seen, period. He also had more great plays than any QB i've ever seen. But you are a complete and total jackass to say he only had a few in his history. He had 3 superbowls FULL of bad plays. FULL of them.


I dont care if you hate Plummer. This is not directed at Plummer bashers. This is directed at the dip**** morons who think the QB is the biggest problem on the team. IT DOESNT matter who are QB is, no defensive line and no pass protection = no superbowl.

Or have you forgotten the Superbowls of the 80s? I know you are an old bat and were alive then. Question is, are you so old that you have developed alzheimers? Apparently if you think Elway had only a "few bad" plays.



Alec, c'cmon now. I agree with you on Elway. However, when John was surrounded by actual offensive talent and great coaches, which Flummer has, he ascended to another level. Flummer has platued if not regressed. Over half the QBs in the league could take us to the playoffs, but these are the numbers I care about. What do you do when you get there.

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1998 dal W,20-7 | 19 36 213 2 2 | 3 1 0
1998 min L,21-41 | 23 41 242 0 2 | 4 9 0
2003 ind L,10-41 | 23 30 181 1 2 | 3 18 0
2004 ind L,24-49 | 24 34 281 2 1 | 1 0 0
2005 nwe W,27-13 | 15 26 197 1 1 | 7 8 0
2005 pit L,17-34 | 18 30 223 1 2 | 6 29 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 122 197 1337 7 10 | 24 65 0

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I dont care if you hate Plummer. This is not directed at Plummer bashers. This is directed at the dip**** morons who think the QB is the biggest problem on the team. IT DOESNT matter who are QB is, no defensive line and no pass protection = no superbowl.


and then there are other people here who think that simply because others don't see Plummer as a SB winning QB, they automatically assume those people think QB is the biggest problem on this team.

Saying Plummer is not the guy is not mutually exclusive of the statement that this team needs to use some high picks on some D-lineman or go after established quality guys in FA.

[Rigs11]

Jkes's gonna have a great game on sunday you knucleheads.

[freak6]

Another Plummer vs Cutler thread...yaaay!!!

Cutler can make the same mistakes that Jake made and some, because his TD passes will be 1.5 to 2 times as high because unlike Jake, he can hit a wide open WR in stride, whereas Jake can only throw the ball so far, so that the WR has to stop and make the catch, losing all the ground gained by the play action fake.

Defense do not respect Jake, they know he will never throw deep unless it is off play action, and therefore the safties cheat up regardless. Even if they get burnt on playaction, the chances the Broncos score is next to zero because Jake again can't lead the WR to the endzone.

[Mile High Shack]

how did Cutler make a lot of stupid mistakes in college?

Did you actually see his #'s in college compared to the talent he had around him?

[Tredici]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

What are the stupid decisions he made in college? I'm not sure what they are so I guess the answer is, in his 10th year as a Pro he's making the exact same stupid decisions I'm willing to bet the criticism will be plenty harsh.

[baja]

Question, how are you guys quoting multiple posts?

[watermock]

Jesus was and is overrated.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZoBDZP24bIy30M:http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/getty/56625039bb001_denver_bronco.widec.jpg

Even Moses couldn't deliver to the promised land with that frontal attack...

[baja]

Jesus was and is overrated.

Only a select few could make that statement.

[freak6]

Jesus was and is overrated.



lmfao

[Steve Sewell]

Sounds like John Elway around up through his 13th year.

The reason most Bronco fans love Elway is BECAUSE of his ability to win in high pressure situations. If we had Elway as our QB vs. Pittsburgh last year, my hopes and the probability of winning that game would have been much, much higher.

[broncosteven]

He's a rookie. If Jay has a game just as bad as Jake did last week, I'll say "Look! Jay Cutler is as good as our ten year Veteran!"


No. Ten year vets are expected to perform at a different level than rookies in their first year starting.

Thank God for Kahn.

Kahn, Yours is the Superior Intellect.

[gunns]

Revisionist history, at its best. Elway had more bad plays than any QB I've ever seen, period. He also had more great plays than any QB i've ever seen. But you are a complete and total jackass to say he only had a few in his history. He had 3 superbowls FULL of bad plays. FULL of them.


Hell yes he had some bad plays, but I find it "trying to hammer a point" to say he had more than any other QB. Please, that's stretching your story to the limit. Over a 16 year period it is comparatively few when you look at other QB's, the teams he played with, and figure that the great plays did more and outweighed the bad. You are going to talk about his 3 SB performances but can't recognize that Jake might be one of our biggest problems and he cannot even get to the SB?

I dont care if you hate Plummer. This is not directed at Plummer bashers. This is directed at the dip**** morons who think the QB is the biggest problem on the team. IT DOESNT matter who are QB is, no defensive line and no pass protection = no superbowl.

I don't hate Plummer, if you read what I posted. I hated Griese yes. I've rarely bashed Plummer and I don't believe I am now. I think Jake has busted his ass to improve. I'm also not calling for Cutler. I'm just recognizing, finally, that we've made enough excuses for what Jake does at times. And I will agree with you that we have problems elsewhere but some of those problem areas still managed to keep us in the game.

Or have you forgotten the Superbowls of the 80s? I know you are an old bat and were alive then. Question is, are you so old that you have developed alzheimers? Apparently if you think Elway had only a "few bad" plays.

Of course I remember them and yes they were probably Elway's worst games. 3 games. The difference is that Elway had done enough in other games, like being the primary reason we got to those SB's.

[broncosteven]

Alec,

Since he has been with Denver Just how many games has Plummer won comming from behind within the last 5 min or less of the 4th quarter? How many trailing in the last 2 min or less of the 4th Quarter?

This is something I would be very interested in seeing an article on in the paper. I thought Jakes big thing in AZ was his ability to come from behind. Seems here in Denver he cannot execute a 2 min offense to save his life. He did well at end of half vs Rams but they got the ball with 4-5 min on the clock.

I would also be interested to know if Jake has scored any points on a drive starting under 3 min in the 1st half of all games we are trailing in & then break it down to see if he does any better in games that they are winning in. I don't know how many times I have seen him convert a 2 min offense to cut a defict or take a lead.

It would be interesting to find out the trend over the last 4 years if he choaks under pressure at the end of either half or if with a lead he is able to complete drives for points in closing minutes of 1st half better with lead than without lead. I know there are other factors involved but the numbers would be interesting either way.

[Spider]

Hypothetical.

Jay Cutler starts, does predictably bad. Who are you people going to blame then? Who will you clamor for to replace him then? Do you call for Jake Plummer to be returned to the starting role?
way I see it is Cutler has a free 3 year ride , if he were to start this season ............

Let's go further:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?
Depends you cant generalize like that , Even the Great Elway screwed up once in a while ...... If the team is going in the same direction as it did under Elway , Cutler can do what he wants , and how he wants ...........

[broncosteven]

Hell yes he had some bad plays, but I find it "trying to hammer a point" to say he had more than any other QB. Please, that's stretching your story to the limit. Over a 16 year period it is comparatively few when you look at other QB's, the teams he played with, and figure that the great plays did more and outweighed the bad. You are going to talk about his 3 SB performances but can't recognize that Jake might be one of our biggest problems and he cannot even get to the SB?



I don't hate Plummer, if you read what I posted. I hated Griese yes. I've rarely bashed Plummer and I don't believe I am now. I think Jake has busted his ass to improve. I'm also not calling for Cutler. I'm just recognizing, finally, that we've made enough excuses for what Jake does at times. And I will agree with you that we have problems elsewhere but some of those problem areas still managed to keep us in the game.



Of course I remember them and yes they were probably Elway's worst games. 3 games. The difference is that Elway had done enough in other games, like being the primary reason we got to those SB's.

All players are going to have bad days, I remember John having a terrible day vs Chefs at home that still leaves a bad taste of turd in my mouth, Marcus Allen went in for the 14 -7 TD that put him over the All time TD mark, in the snow. John also could not seem to play in the snow but when the game was on the line he could find a way to make others better & pull it out. Plummer has not shown that leadership here in 3+ years.

[Taco John]

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?



I guess that depends on whether or not he's as big a choker as Jake is when the pressure is on. The key difference though is that at least Jay can make every throw on the field. Even if Jay makes big time mistakes, he's capable of redeeming himself in one throw. When is the last time you saw Jake redeem himself like that, especially in a big game?

[Taco John]

I had kind of commented on something similar to this in another thread. Everyone is assuming Cutler is all that and a bag of chips. But calm down a minute and think. If that's true, how did he escape attention of EVERYONE in the draft? It couldn't just be because he was at Vandy.


What are you talking about "escaped the attention of EVERYONE in the draft?" He was a first round quarterback taken among the top three. There were tons of analysts coming out of the woodworks making statements very high on the kid.

You'd have a great point if he was a second rounder like Favre or a 6th rounder like Brady. We're talking about a kid from freaking Vanderbilt going as a top three quarterback within the first 11 picks where the team that nabbed him finaging their way up over the course of an entire year to move up the draft boards to get him.

Escaped the attention of EVERYONE in the draft?

[broncosteven]

I guess that depends on whether or not he's as big a choker as Jake is when the pressure is on. The key difference though is that at least Jay can make every throw on the field. Even if Jay makes big time mistakes, he's capable of redeeming himself in one throw. When is the last time you saw Jake redeem himself like that, especially in a big game?

I guess this is what I was trying to say although I used like more words or something...

[watermock]

Alec:

When, in 2007 or 2008, that Cutler is the full time starter, the man, the go to guy, and he begins to make the same stupid decisions that he made in College, do you criticize his play as harshly as you criticize Plummer?

The fact is we are more like likely to forgive a rookie in a complex system than a 10 year vet. What stupid decisions in college? He had a very good TD/INT percentage with crap left and right and behind him. Then there was the defense.

[broncosteven]

Alec:



The fact is we are more like likely to forgive a rookie in a complex system than a 10 year vet. What stupid decisions in college? He had a very good TD/INT percentage with crap left and right and behind him. Then there was the defense.

Due to Jake the Mistake I expect more out of others like the D to make up for Jakes shortcommings. I wonder what his girlfriends do during sex, they must be thinking of other way to fufill their needs like thinking of me or something...

[watermock]

I'm not wading into this when my yogurt seems to have a mind of it's own to spoil a perfectly good T-shirt.

I don't know what you expect Alec. Cutler could still be a complete bust. I son't see it whatsoever however. even if he is brought along to soon. I don't think there is a lynch mob...yet...

[watermock]

Due to Jake the Mistake I expect more out of others like the D to make up for Jakes shortcommings. I wonder what his girlfriends do during sex, they must be thinking of other way to fufill their needs like thinking of me or something...

Like "Big Money Shot?"

[Taco John]

I've talked to Alec offline about this and he's pinning the FSU loss on Cutler because of how it ended... A game that Vandy wouldn't have been in at all except that Cutler singlehandedly KEPT them in it and made it more than respectable... But he threw a pick at the end of the game, and they lost to the better school.

There wasn't a player on that field that looked anywhere near as good as Cutler did that game though. He was a man among boys.

[watermock]

Vanderbilt lost to FSU in double OT...It was a meltdown by Cutler.

[-Slap-]

Sure did catch a lot of fish.

Dumbasses. God you people make it easy. And I really know how get get under Slappy boy's skin.

If you took my rep to you seriously, you really are as stupid and insecure as your numerous critics theorize.

Sorry for giving you way too much credit. It won't happen again.

[broncosteven]

Like "Big Money Shot?"

Yep it is my Money shot ,all me that they are dreaming of as he annoingly rubs on top of them like a freshman at highschool trying to get their bra off.