day before Labor day

[Spider]

what does labor day mean to you ? ..........

[Spider]

Bigger question is , are you republicans going to celebrate Labor day seeing how Labor day Stands for everything you guys hate ?

[DBruleU]

It means good food and a fun get-together with tons of family.

And was the second question even necessary? Why do you feel the need to even add that?

[Spider]

It means good food and a fun get-together with tons of family.

And was the second question even necessary? Why do you feel the need to even add that?

The second question is very nessary , you dont know how many post I have read bashing unions , and Labor day is a union holiday , why would a republican celebrate a holiday that he is dead set against ?

[DBruleU]

The second question is very nessary , you dont know how many post I have read bashing unions , and Labor day is a union holiday , why would a republican celebrate a holiday that he is dead set against ?

I havent seen anything around here like that. Maybe a link would help your case?

I dont care cause its a day off work.

[Spider]

I havent seen anything around here like that. Maybe a link would help your case?

I dont care cause its a day off work.

LOL ....a link ? Hilarious! if you havent seen any union bashing mainly teachers union you havent been paying attention , short Memory , or wasnt here before the board changed severs ......... See I dont have to prove my case , most here will know what I am talking about , doesnt matter if you believe me or not ...... I thought you would have picked up on I dont give a rats ass about what people think by now ........

[Spider]

I dont care cause its a day off work.

So you celebrate a democrat holiday ....... your republican buddies will be ashamed ............. next thing you know you will be saying raise the min wage .......

[errand]

The second question is very nessary , you dont know how many post I have read bashing unions , and Labor day is a union holiday , why would a republican celebrate a holiday that he is dead set against ?

You're such a clod...

We're not against unions as much as we are that the unions hold their membersand especially the companies they work for hostage. It use to be the union's motto was "an honest day's wage for an honest day's work"...and while their wages have skyrocketed, the production has declined. what happened to the honest day's work?

Look at the infamous NEA...home/private schooled children are the ones winning spelling bee's,getting higher SAT scores, and generally turing out better overall citizens than the public school system is...and has been doing for a long time. Teachers are granted tenure after "x" number of years on the job, and that basically makes them bullet proof against termination.

Case in point I once took a gentleman to the airport, he was flying to NYC to represent a fellow union member who was to be terminated for incompetence.

I asked the guy..."Well, is he (incompetent)?"

The guy said, "Well yeah...but, that doesn't matter. He's a union member."

Another case in point Ecusta plant in Brevard, NC...trying to save the company and few thousand jobs, the owner of the plant asked for a modest reduction in wages....the union on advice from their top dogs refused it. Well long story short, the plant closed down.....and those union members who had been there for ever it seems are now greeting you at the local Walmart, or chasing shopping carts at the local Lowe's...or delivering a pizza to their fellow citizens.

[Spider]

You're such a clod...

We're not against unions as much as we are that the unions hold their membersand especially the companies they work for hostage. It use to be the union's motto was "an honest day's wage for an honest day's work"...and while their wages have skyrocketed, the production has declined. what happened to the honest day's work?

Look at the infamous NEA...home/private schooled children are the ones winning spelling bee's,getting higher SAT scores, and generally turing out better overall citizens than the public school system is...and has been doing for a long time. Teachers are granted tenure after "x" number of years on the job, and that basically makes them bullet proof against termination.

Case in point I once took a gentleman to the airport, he was flying to NYC to represent a fellow union member who was to be terminated for incompetence.

I asked the guy..."Well, is he (incompetent)?"

The guy said, "Well yeah...but, that doesn't matter. He's a union member."

Another case in point Ecusta plant in Brevard, NC...trying to save the company and few thousand jobs, the owner of the plant asked for a modest reduction in wages....the union on advice from their top dogs refused it. Well long story short, the plant closed down.....and those union members who had been there for ever it seems are now greeting you at the local Walmart, or chasing shopping carts at the local Lowe's...or delivering a pizza to their fellow citizens.

So you celebrate Labor day also ... thats all you had to say ........ Support the unions ..... I knew you would come around

[errand]

So you celebrate a democrat holiday ....... your republican buddies will be ashamed ............. next thing you know you will be saying raise the min wage .......

So tell me Spider, over the last few years.....




......did you buy your kids Christmas presents?

[errand]

LOL ....a link ? Hilarious! if you havent seen any union bashing mainly teachers union

....are you saying that the teachers in the NEA are turing out a better product than their private sector counterparts?ROFL! ROFL! :clown:

[errand]

So you celebrate Labor day also ... thats all you had to say ........ Support the unions ..... I knew you would come around


No different than you the biggest basher of Christianity celebrating Christmas...and since you're one of the bigger bashers of America, you also celebrate our Independence Day as well don't you?

[Spider]

So tell me Spider, over the last few years.....




......did you buy your kids Christmas presents?

LOL I was waiting for this question ......... I celebrate Christmas , Frosty , Santa , Rudloph , A tree , nothing about the birth of Christ , No majors , no bibles ...... but I am not against all Christians , just the taliban type , and we know who they are ..........So I follow a secular Christmas , meanwhile Labor day only has 1 meaning .......... you get my drift ..........

[errand]

Not to mention you constantly side with those that call our brave men and women in the military Nazis' thugs, kidnappers, torturers, and murderers...and yet I bet you got drunk on Memorial Day as well

[Spider]

No different than you the biggest basher of Christianity celebrating Christmas...and since you're one of the bigger bashers of America, you also celebrate our Independence Day as well don't you?
LO Ldesperation Errand , I bash Child Molesting Priest , Taliban christian types like yourself , but back to your lying problem errand you have to show me where I bashed America if you dont mind .............

[errand]

LOL I was waiting for this question ......... I celebrate Christmas , Frosty , Santa , Rudloph , A tree , nothing about the birth of Christ , No majors , no bibles ...... but I am not against all Christians , just the taliban type , and we know who they are ..........So I follow a secular Christmas , meanwhile Labor day only has 1 meaning .......... you get my drift ..........


...yeah, I guess they call it Christmas for no particular reason at all.

[Spider]

Not to mention you constantly side with those that call our brave men and women in the military Nazis' thugs, kidnappers, torturers, and murderers...and yet I bet you got drunk on Memorial Day as well
LOL just the ones that deserve it ....... Lying is a sin errand ...... better get help son

[Spider]

...yeah, I guess they call it Christmas for no particular reason at all.

Pretty much unless you can tie Frosty the Snow man , the Grinch and the people of whoville to the bible Hilarious!

[errand]

LO Ldesperation Errand , I bash Child Molesting Priest , Taliban christian types like yourself ,


...hey clown, when you call God "the big fairy in the sky", you insult every Christian, not just the ones you selectively hate. What a maroon.....

[Spider]

...hey clown, when you call God "the big fairy in the sky", you insult every Christian, not just the ones you selectively hate. What a maroon.....

LOL . I am a maroon hey ....well what does it say about someone who believes in Christ , yet par takes in the bastardazion of his birth day ..............

[Spider]

....are you saying that the teachers in the NEA are turing out a better product than their private sector counterparts?ROFL! ROFL! :clown:
Sure am ........

[Spider]

so we have 2 die hard republicans celebrating Labor day ......... is there any more ?

[DBruleU]

Spider, are you lonely at a truck stop today or something? Are you desperate for some attention?

I guess if you dont celebrate Christmas for what its really about, then I dont celebrate Labor day for what its really about, right?

I mean, I dont honor labor unions tomorrow, I just eat food and thank God for another day of rest.

You are seriously the most disprespectable and the biggest clown of this board. How anyone, even democrats can read this thread and agree that you have any valid point is beyond me. All you ever do is ridicule people for what they believe, yet you are the one always praising people for standing up for what they believe? You bash Christians all the time. I feel pity for you when you meet your maker.

[Spider]

Spider, are you lonely at a truck stop today or something? Are you desperate for some attention? Just letting people know what Labor day is all about

I guess if you dont celebrate Christmas for what its really about, then I dont celebrate Labor day for what its really about, right?
whatever helps you sleep at night .........

I mean, I dont honor labor unions tomorrow, I just eat food and thank God for another day of rest.
or you can have your own Holiday , coperation day , work double shift for .25 cents an hour , offer up goods to the CEO ........ just an idea , seems to be the republican ideal world .......

You are seriously the most disprespectable and the biggest clown of this board. How anyone, even democrats can read this thread and agree that you have any valid point is beyond me. All you ever do is ridicule people for what they believe, yet you are the one always praising people for standing up for what they believe? You bash Christians all the time. I feel pity for you when you meet your maker.
then again you have to show me where I cared if another Dem agreed with me or not ... pretty tough to do ..........
I Ridicule people , yet you morons put Bush in office , pales in comparision ...... Dont feel pity for me , feel pity for yourself ....... the abilty to make it through life without a crutch , saying what you feel no matter what others think is a privilage not many expierence .... being told what to think and whats right or wrong needs pity ..........

[Spider]

I wonder if Errand and DBruleU feel guilty about celebrating Labor day Hilarious!

[DBruleU]

Just letting people know what Labor day is all about


whatever helps you sleep at night .........


or you can have your own Holiday , coperation day , work double shift for .25 cents an hour , offer up goods to the CEO ........ just an idea , seems to be the republican ideal world .......


then again you have to show me where I cared if another Dem agreed with me or not ... pretty tough to do ..........
I Ridicule people , yet you morons put Bush in office , pales in comparision ...... Dont feel pity for me , feel pity for yourself ....... the abilty to make it through life without a crutch , saying what you feel no matter what others think is a privilage not many expierence .... being told what to think and whats right or wrong needs pity ..........

So says the guy with a criminal record. LOL

[Spider]

So says the guy with a criminal record. LOL

Thats right , but there is more to the story then you will ever know .......but another great sin .... judging others ...........Hilarious! .......

[errand]

Thats right , but there is more to the story then you will ever know .......but another great sin .... judging others ...........Hilarious! .......

So tell us the story clown....

you cry that your being charged with attempted murder has 'more to the story"...well, now's the time to come clean, clown...tell us what extenuating circumstances made you think trying to kill someone was OK?

[Spider]

So tell us the story clown....

you cry that your being charged with attempted murder has 'more to the story"...well, now's the time to come clean, clown...tell us what extenuating circumstances made you think trying to kill someone was OK?
LOL nice try , you are on a need to know basis son ...... and you just dont need to know , the people I love know the story ........

[errand]

...BTW Spider, the Democrat candidate running for sheriff of Polk County, NC has just been charged with raping two young girls 12 and 13 years old.....so are you gonna add him to your list of Democrat family values?

[Spider]

...BTW Spider, the Democrat candidate running for sheriff of Polk County, NC has just been charged with raping two young girls 12 and 13 years old.....so are you gonna add him to your list of Democrat family values?

ah he was a republican plant , to call himself a democrat ,to harm the party .......not hard to figure out

[errand]

LOL nice try , you are on a need to know basis son ...... and you just dont need to know , the people I love know the story ........

We know the story too clown...you were charged with attempted murder...and bragged about how you were able to weasel it down to assault.

But what inquiring minds want to know is how some clown like you was able to keep yourself from being Bubba's girlfriend in jail?ROFL! ROFL!

Here's spider's asshole..... ()

....and here's Spider's asshole in jail ( )

[errand]

ah he was a republican plant , to call himself a democrat ,to harm the party .......not hard to figure out

What a bozo.....

[Spider]

We know the story too clown...you were charged with attempted murder...and bragged about how you were able to weasel it down to assault. it was a master piece

But what inquiring minds want to know is how some clown like you was able to keep yourself from being Bubba's girlfriend in jail?ROFL! ROFL!

Here's spider's a-hole..... ()

....and here's Spider's a-hole in jail ( )
Porn according to errand Hilarious! .. the mental picture of him tossing his salad thinking of my ásshole will takes weeks in a confession booth for him to get over Hilarious!

[Spider]

What a bozo.....

is that a slang word inbreds use to make fun of normal people ?

[cbs1177]

Labor Day to me for the last five years. Extra work. I work at a country club so during labor day I have to work outside on the golf grill. Else usually the golf grill is closed mondays and tuesdays and I work a four hour easy shift. Now it is 8-6 outsideon golf grill. Labor day means holiday pay. Labor Day means the golf grill season is winding down and frankly I am ready to go on the inside (change of pace). Maybe not a noble answer but that is just the way it is.

[Spider]

Labor Day to me for the last five years. Extra work. I work at a country club so during labor day I have to work outside on the golf grill. Else usually the golf grill is closed mondays and tuesdays and I work a four hour easy shift. Now it is 8-6 outsideon golf grill. Labor day means holiday pay. Labor Day means the golf grill season is winding down and frankly I am ready to go on the inside (change of pace). Maybe not a noble answer but that is just the way it is.

;D dont feel lonely , I got a rig move starting @ 8:00 am Sunday morning .......
DHS Rig 11 From Casper to Moneta ......... one good thing is the rig is already dismanteled and in a Yard, so we dont have to wait for the Rig to be broke down ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...... but I am not against all Christians , just the taliban type..........

In other words, you're against Bush's base. ;D

[ClevelandBronco]

No, I don't celebrate Labor Day. I'll spend the day working.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Workers feel the squeeze

When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: "Whose?"

- Don Marquis, American humorist

With Labor Day approaching, it is time to assess the nature of work in this burgeoning Information Age. Are American workers better off than they were a couple of generations ago? Will they be better off in the future?

I can't imagine that many middle-class workers feel much optimism. America's middle class is being squeezed by soaring energy prices, rising health care costs and, here in Florida, insurance rates that are doubling and doubling again. The housing bubble is rapidly losing air, making the one asset that most Americans own less secure, while wage stagnation is making us poorer.

President Bush has been touting the health of the nation's economy, pointing to its vigorous productivity gains of 16.6 percent from 2000 to 2005. But what he doesn't say is that those gains have accrued exclusively to Bush's people - the owner class and other top dogs. While corporate profits are through the roof, the real median income of households headed by someone under 65 - the country's working families - has actually fallen 5.4 percent through the Bush years.

The question is whether this reversal for Joe Lunchbox will continue or whether something will come along to rescue America's middle class.

Workers' fortunes have always been buffeted by two forces: technology and government.

The introduction of the car and its offshoot, the tractor, along with the electrification of factories, took people off family farms at the turn of the 20th century. In 1900, about half of all Americans worked on a farm. By 2000, only 2 percent of Americans were still there.

The Industrial Age moved workers into the manufacturing sector, where, thanks to the combined strength of unions and the progressive policies of the federal government, employees shared in the nation's prosperity

After a tumultuous beginning in which big business, often with the assistance of government, colluded to break the back of organized labor, unions finally established themselves, helping to guarantee workers a fair share of productivity gains. Under the New Deal, federal labor laws secured base-line wages and overtime pay for more than a 40-hour work week, among many other vital protections.

Those middle decades of the 20th century offered steadily rising living standards. Productivity more than doubled from 1947 through 1973 and median family income went up by the same percentages. These glory days have become cemented in the American mind as the normative of modern work - where long, loyal service is rewarded with growing remuneration, job security and a pension. But all that has turned out to be a chimera.

Shared prosperity has not become a cultural fixture or a permanent social advance like the elimination of indenture. It was abandoned as soon as Corporate America was able to shake it off. When things started to teeter in the mid 1970s and unionized manufacturing jobs were replaced by nonunion service sector jobs, business saw its chance. A new, aggressive antiunionism took hold, and Corporate America strategized ways to bypass federal labor protections, such as making everyone salaried to avoid overtime payments. As Republicans gained power in the White House and Congress, these tactics were enthusiastically encouraged.

The median family's standard of living would have nearly stopped rising had it not been for women flooding into the workplace and all workers putting in more time on the job. Rather than the 30-hour work week that was once touted as the future of work, the average American worker puts in more hours today than at any time since the 1920s.

We are now at the beginnings of the Information Age - a shift due to technological advances in computing - and some futurists seem pretty optimistic about labor's prospects.

Jeremy Rifkin, in his book The End of Work: The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-Market Era, which was updated in 2004, predicts that a hydrogen-based energy regime will replace fossil fuels and this, combined with the rise of intelligent technology, will liberate people to enjoy added leisure and more satisfying types of work.

The authors of Nine Shift: Work, Life and Education in the 21st Century, say people will work at home with intranets replacing physical offices. They see the collapse of the traditional organizational pyramid and a shrinking inequality between rich and poor.

I don't know if these scenarios are likely. They certainly are not in the short run. But I know one thing for certain. If organized labor doesn't start to reassert itself and if the federal government doesn't start looking out for workers again, an economically secure middle class will become a relic of 20th century utopianism. The slide has already begun.

© 2006 St. Petersburg Times

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/03/Columns/Workers_feel_the_sque.shtml

[SteveTensi13]

What does labor day mean to me? Easy, double time and a half holiday pay!

[Spider]

What does labor day mean to me? Easy, double time and a half holiday pay!

Wal Mart security pays that ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wal Mart security pays that ?

:laugh:

Today's pig is tomorrow's bacon (a Labor Day recipe)

- Greg Palast

Some years from now, in an economic refugee relocation "Enterprise Zone," your kids will ask you, "What did you do in the Class War, Daddy?"

The trick of class war is not to let the victims know they're under attack. That's how, little by little, the owners of the planet take away what little we have.

This week, Dupont, the chemical giant, slashed employee pension benefits by two-thirds. Furthermore, new Dupont workers won't get a guaranteed pension at all -- and no health care after retirement. It's part of Dupont's new "Die Young" program, I hear. Dupont is not in financial straits. Rather, the slash attack on its workers' pensions was aimed at adding a crucial three cents a share to company earnings, from $3.11 per share to $3.14.

So Happy Labor Day.

And this week, the government made it official: For the first time since the Labor Department began measuring how the American pie is sliced, those in the top fifth of the wealth scale are now gobbling up over half (50.4%) of our nation's annual income.

So Happy Labor Day.

We don't even get to lick the plates. While 15.9% of us don't have health insurance (a record, Mr. President!), even those of us who have it, don't have it: we're spending 36% more per family out of pocket on medical costs since the new regime took power in Washington. If you've actually tried to collect from your insurance company, you know what I mean.

So Happy Labor Day.

But if you think I have nothing nice to say about George W. Bush, let me report that the USA now has more millionaires than ever -- 7.4 million! And over the past decade, the number of billionaires has more than tripled, 341 of them!

If that doesn't make you feel like you're missing out, this should: You, Mr. Median, are earning, after inflation, a little less than you earned when Richard Nixon reigned. Median household income -- and most of us are "median" -- is down. Way down.

Since the Bush Putsch in 2000, median income has fallen 5.9%.

Mr. Bush and friends are offering us an "ownership" society. But he didn't mention who already owns it. The richest fifth of America owns 83% of all shares in the stock market. But that's a bit misleading because most of that, 53% of all the stock, is owned by just one percent of American households.

And what does the Wealthy One Percent want? Answer: more wealth. Where will they get it? As with a tube of toothpaste, they're squeezing it from the bottom. Median paychecks have gone down by 5.9% during the current regime, but Americans in the bottom fifth have seen their incomes sliced by 20%.

At the other end, CEO pay at the Fortune 500 has bloated by 51% during the first four years of the Bush regime to an average of $8.1 million per annum.

So who's winning? It's a crude indicator, but let's take a peek at the Class War body count.

When Reagan took power in 1980, the One Percent possessed 33% of America's wealth as measured by capital income. By 2006, the One Percent has swallowed over half of all America's assets, from sea to shining sea. One hundred fifty million Americans altogether own less than 3% of all private assets.

Yes, American middle-class house values are up, but we're blowing that gain to stay alive. Edward Wolff, the New York University expert on income, explained to me that, "The middle class is mortgaging itself to death." As a result of mortgaging our new equity, 60% of all households have seen a decline in net worth.

Is America getting poorer? No, just its people, We the Median. In fact, we are producing an astonishing amount of new wealth in the USA. We are a lean, mean production machine. Output per worker in BushAmerica zoomed by 15% over four years through 2004. Problem is, although worker productivity keeps rising, the producers are getting less and less of it.

The gap between what we produce and what we get is widening like an alligator's jaw. The more you work, the less you get. It used to be that as the economic pie got bigger, everyone's slice got bigger too. No more.

The One Percent have swallowed your share before you can get your fork in.

The loot Dupont sucked from its employees' retirement funds will be put to good use. It will more than cover the cost of the company directors' decision to hike the pension set aside for CEO Charles Holliday to $2.1 million a year. And that's fair, I suppose: Holliday's a winning general in the class war. And shouldn't the winners of war get the spoils?

Of course, there are killjoys who cling to that Calvinist-Marxist belief that a system forever fattening the richest cannot continue without end. Professor Michael Zweig, Director of the State University of New York's Center for Study of Working Class Life, put it in culinary terms: "Today's pig is tomorrow's bacon."