The 2PT Conversion decision

[Archie]

So... I flipped back to the game (after watching a the final set of the Aggasi /Baghdatis tennis match) in time to see Arizona driving with time running out and Denver up by 6. And with the score like that, it occured to me how much disdain I have for going for two anytime other then near the end of the game.

(Now, I'll caveat that I can accept that Shanny had no faith in Knoor and decided to just go for two everytime after the first missed PAT - and my point really has nothing to do with this specific game but rather the situation in general especially when it counts.)

But, I can't tell you have many times I've watched teams even in the 1st half pull out the stupid "when to go for 2" card and starting missing 2pt conversions. Then the end of the game comes around and they lose by 1. Case in point tonight where if Denver makes all 3 PAT's (after the missed one) then we get 3 points. Our odds of that are typically around 98%. Instead we went for 2 three times where the odds are typically around 25%. We beat the odds, getting it 33% of the time but we still only got 2 points instead of the 3 we likely would have gotten going for just one.

In my opinion, you put the 2pt conversion card away until you are into the forth quarter and you're looking at something like "we have to score twice with a 2pt conversion to tie" or "you just went up by one with 3 min left" type scenarios. Ohterwise your are a) just giving points away and b) assuming you won't be scoring much more anyway.

[listopencil]

Maybe they just wanted to practice going for 2.

[Clockwork Orange]

Maybe they didn't want to see Knorr shank any more extra points.

[ClevelandBronco]

No Elam, Knorr missed a PAT. Time to try for two.

[ClevelandBronco]

But if I'd actually finished reading your post before I shot my mouth off, I'd say you were right.

Two pointers when you can go ahead by 4 instead of 3 very late, or when you're behind and need them. Forget the things early.

[Archie]

Maybe they just wanted to practice going for 2.

Which is why I made the ponit that my point was not really about this game but rather about the situation in general... (I could care less what happened in this game and I'm not even sure if Shanny would do it then - but I have seen it happen).

[Taco John]

I wish we went for the 2 pt. conversion on every score in the preseason...

[Archie]

Maybe they didn't want to see Knorr shank any more extra points.

Now I see how some of you get so dang many posts.... you just respond without reading :)

[Archie]

I wish we went for the 2 pt. conversion on every score in the preseason...

Yo - are'nt you busy?

So what will it be? You going for two? :)

[NFLBRONCO]

Shanny said, after game they had planned on doing 2 pt conversion tonight. It was mainly because Elam did not play.

[Paladin]

Good points. but in the after game interview, Shanahan said that Elam "had a twinge" and Knorr missed the earlier one, so they decided to just go for two as practice. What i sstange is that Ernster is a kicker as well, and I don't know why he couldn't be used for PATs.

[Taco John]

Yo - are'nt you busy?

So what will it be? You going for two? :)


They postponed us until 5am... *grumble*

[Archie]

Good points. but in the after game interview, Shanahan said that Elam "had a twinge" and Knorr missed the earlier one, so they decided to just go for two as practice. What i sstange is that Ernster is a kicker as well, and I don't know why he couldn't be used for PATs.

Maybe sometime I'll post this same point in the middle of the offseason so no one will confuse the just played game with the point - which is just a general observation on 2pt conversion decision making.

I think many coaches blindly commit to the 2pt conversion point differential card and elect to go for two way too early in the game. I think generally speaking it's a bad coaching decision to make decisions like that early in the game.

(I don't care about tonights game...)

[Taco John]

Good points. but in the after game interview, Shanahan said that Elam "had a twinge" and Knorr missed the earlier one, so they decided to just go for two as practice. What i sstange is that Ernster is a kicker as well, and I don't know why he couldn't be used for PATs.


Good lord I can't believe we have 4 kickers on our team.

[Archie]

They postponed us until 5am... *grumble*


ouch... We'll good luck.

[-Slap-]

Shanahan wanted to make sure the last pre season game had no possibility of going into overtime.

[Taco John]

Maybe sometime I'll post this same point in the middle of the offseason so no one will confuse the just played game with the point - which is just a general observation on 2pt conversion decision making.

I think many coaches blindly commit to the 2pt conversion point differential card and elect to go for two way too early in the game. I think generally speaking it's a bad coaching decision to make decisions like that early in the game.

(I don't care about tonights game...)




Oh no you don't. You're all hot and bothered about tonights game. Admit it. Admit it. Admit it. Admit it.

:poke:

[Kaylore]

That and we have a better chance of scoring on the two pointer than we do of Knorr kicking it in. Nice shank, he had. Hope we keep Ernster.

[HAT]

Why in the HELL would anyone want to see the Bronx go for 2 at *anytime* in the preseason??

Run that sh!t in practice.....don't advertise it.

[Archie]

Oh no you don't. You're all hot and bothered about tonights game. Admit it. Admit it. Admit it. Admit it.

:poke:


ZZZ...

Did you say something?

[Broncobiv]

What i sstange is that Ernster is a kicker as well, and I don't know why he couldn't be used for PATs.
Exactly. Ernster kicked in college, so why not let him try some FG's and XP's during the game that Elam isn't even playing in? It doesn't make any sense.