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Rock Chalk
08-28-2006, 09:19 PM
OK, I have re-watched the game and took the time to write my opinion on each drive both offensively and defensively so this is going to be a long read (hopefully its a good one for you guys and gals).

First Offensive Drive:
Mike Bell looked tentative the entire drive. Houstons defense was swarming the run and expected it so he didnt have a lot to work with, and he did show some grit on a 2nd and 6 run that picked up 3 yards he should have lost but missed a big hole for at least 10 yards. Jake threw a brilliant medium range pass to Rod Smith after slipping on the ground during his drop back. Makes a nice pass out in the flats to SHeffler who was just shy of getting a first down. One bad play on this drive, on 3rd and 3 from the 24, Kircus gets alligator arms on a bullet by Jake for a first down and then some. Oh, two bad plays. Elam shanks the 41 yard field goal attempt.

First Defensive Drive:
First Houston play a dump off in the flats sort of to the RB Lundy who was completely uncovered. Good 9 yard gain that is immediately converted by Lundy on the next play up the gut for 2 yards. Hole was big on that play so him getting two yards was a plus. Lundy had a decent drive against our run defense on tosses, catches and a couple of plays up the middle. Darrent is a sure tackler when he isnt overly aggressive. Pass rush was pretty good on the first Houston bootleg that Carr fumbled on and our LBs knocked out of bounds, forces the punt however. Only time I saw a decent pass rush but only two passes thrown in the drive.

Second Offensive Drive:
Both of Plummer's first two passes (first in the first drive) to Walker were beautiful passes. At this point, Jake looks like he is going to have a good game. Next play, Tatum bursts through the hole for a good 11 yard gain finding a small crease in the line, not a huge hole, but good enough for him to slip through. Jake's second incompletion is the slant to Rod that was well played by the defender. Tatum is hit in the backfield on his the next run but still manages to get back to the line by pushing forward. Denver handled the blitz well on the next play but the out to Kircus was way off the mark on third down. Plummer's first real bad pass.

Second Defensive Drive:
Starting off with a great pass rush on Houston's first play. Run defense still showing big holes and Lundy continues to run well if not spectacular. Our d-line has been pushed around to this point on run plays. Great pass rush on the next pass play. This was a great defensive series for our boys other than the lackluster run defense. Ekuban records a quick sack.

Third Offensive Drive:
Ed Hochuli needs a bigger shirt. Walker makes his mark on his third catch by draggin Robinson three yards to get the first down. The flare to Mike Bell in the flats was great but this is where Bell shows his greatest flaws. He gets up the field four yards but gets hit high and this is going to get him hurt. Needs to run lower or wont make it the whole season. Two straight encroachment calls, second one a direct result of Plummer's hard count. Mike Bell on a run up the middle lost his footing again and is nailed right at the line. Had a hole. Get better cleats. Mike gets a hole, but it closes quickly and Houston's defense stops him for a short gain. Footing is a problem. Jake under pressure rolls out and makes a silly pass either overthrowing #87 or missing Rod just short in double coverage. Couldnt really tell from the angle. Texans had switched from 4-3 to 3-4 for first time on this play to try and confuse Jake.

Third Defensive Drive:
Slow developing pass rush on the first play, but had to do with holding by offensive line by Spencer on Ekuban. Ekuban for a great tackle for loss on stretch play very next play. Lundy finding no where to run on this drive, Myers stuffs him right at the line. On the next run play for "breathing" room a good 4 yard gain giving the punter some room to punt from the end zone.

Fourth Offensive Drive:
A badly shanked punt gives the Donks great field position. Tatum gets a good run for about 7 or 8 yards, complimented by an incidental face mask on the Texans. Sidenote here, they flash a state that was absolutely incredible. Since 1995, first quarter point differential, the Broncos are + 481. Next closest competitor is Holmgren teams at +251 points. Thats just mind boggling. Tatum gets another crease up the middle for 5 yards. Next Tatum run is a good run, gets hit after about 3 yards and pushes forward for another yard and a half, just shy of the first down (about 4 inches short). Tatum gets 2 on the short yardage I-form set with a FANTASTIC block by Kyle Johnson who blew Ryans up. Naked bootleg results in nothing for Jake, throws it away. Well covered downfield. Next run play nets nada as the Texans expected and had all the gaps full. No where to go for T Bell. 3rd and 10 situation. Smith makes a helluva grab after juggling it and gets about 6 yards on the quick out. Elam nails the 32 yarder. Houston lines up on center and gets flagged though, Denver gets another chance on the 5 yard penalty.Nice naked bootleg to Alexander to the 1 yard line. Tatum gets tripped up behind the line but stumbles forward to get back to the LOS at the 1. Defense got through on that play. Tatum follows KJ and pushes forward with the second effort for the 1 yd TD. Best drive of the night for the offense even if it was only 44 yards. (First drive wasnt bad, but ruined by Kircus' alligator arms).

Fourth Defensive Drive
Carr drops back to pass, deflected incidentally by Myers and picked off by DJ.

Fifth Offensive Drive
Mike Bell finds a good crease for about 4 yards, getting tripped up in the middle of the line and diving for about 3 yards. Jake way overthrows Javon in the end zone. Throws a bullet to Rod for a first down, Rod takes a good shot but was smart enough to know where the first down marker was. Sterling Sharpe comments "technically, nobody does it better than Rod Smith in the National Football League" (word!). Bell gets the nod and gets a 4 yard run with a huge hole but running upright as soon as he gets hit gets hit hard and goes down. GET DOWN MIKE! Jake throws a pass to Sheffler in the endzone that they want PI but was not PI. A "nod" route? Whatever the hell that is. Next play, Plummer hurries the pass intended for Walker on the out pattern in the end zone and was way off the mark. THis was his worst pass of the night by far, landing 3 yards short of the end zone and 2 yards short of Walker. Field Goal good. Shanny gives Plummer a talking to but not a screaming at as some have mentioned. Seemed cool and collected but obviously not happy.

Fifth Defensive Drive
On the rollout, Carr completes to Lundy for about 4 yards was buried by Al Wilson with DJ coming up right behind. Next pass a flare/screen to Lundy on the weakside for another 4 yards. Bringing the blitz, Carr completes it to Cook for about 6 yards giving them their second first down, DJ on the tackle. Next play, rollout to Carr's left, Ian got faked and hesitated on whether to go after Carr or drop into coverage allowing Carr just enough time to complete it to Daniels for a first down. Carr completes a pass to Johnson on the cross route for about 8 yards, 2 minute warning. DBs have been playing soft the whole game :( Carr on the rollout, nothing open so runs it for a first down. Carr is 5 for 5 for 33 so far on this drive. Carr throws to Moulds. well covered by Darrent who just misses defending the pass. Moulds gets about 2. Deep pass to Moulds overthrown but he had Darrent beat. 3rd and 9, Carr throws to Walter, tackled by DJ before the first down with a good sure hit and tackle. 4th and 3 going for it. Darrent playing about 10 yards off Andre Johnson on a 4th and 3, completed for about 5 yards.Gets an earful from Champ about it. Lundy finds a crease on the weakside for 7 yards, getting out of bounds. 48 seconds left. Oh good lord, as if this wasnt painful enough the first time. Lundy gets a good hole up the middle because the run defense has disappeared, DJ forces a fumble that goes forward and Ferguson loses the friggin ball above his head. Texans recover, ball moved back to where it was fumbled. Run defense packed it in this drive, and pass rush has been practically non-existant since that 3 and out deep in Houston's own territory. 14th play of drive, delay of game. Defense stacks the Line and Lundy still gets 7 yards. Carr spikes it, Houston settles for field goal with 11 seconds left.

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OK, pass rush is about the same as last year. Good at times, gone at others. Run defense see above. Plummer looked pretty decent this game except that last drive where he had several miscues either overthrowing or missing badly. Javon Walker made some great plays and was the target of a couple of Jake's bad throws. Rod Smith is, well, Rod Smith. Mike Bell was mostly unimpressive but does run with a lot of heart. Reminds me of Droughns more than TD like some have mentioned. Tatum has shown a remarkable improvement over his running abilites from last year but I am still skeptical about him being a full time back. Maybe that's just from the media heads or maybe I have good reason to be skeptical, but regardless, this year he is playing much tougher than he did last year. Between the Bells, I think our running game will be as effective as it has been the past ten years. 3rd downs were atrocious offensively and if this is what we have been workng on in camp, we need to change what it is we are doing because what we have been working on is not working. The offensive line wasn't as bad as I thought it was the first time I watched the game, but it isn't as good as it was last year either. Hopefully they will gel better by the time the season starts though and I know o-lines generally take a bit of time to get back into the swing of things. Linebackers have played remarkably well again. Ian got bowled over once and hesitated on going after Carr giving him enough time to find an open receiver but DJ was everywhere. His whiff on Carr in the backfield was really his only bad play. Al seemed to be near all the tackles even if he wasnt making them all.

Punts were a lot better and kickoffs were fantastic. One went completely to the back of the end zone and I would like to see more of this. Coverage was great but the return game leaves a little to be desired still. Havent had much of a chance to see any kickoff returns for either of the teams due to long kickoffs from both teams.

I was going to do the second half but after having a bout with insomnia last night Im exhausted and going to bed early fellas. Will go over the second half tomorrow after work. My impressions having watched the game a second time left me with a bit of a better impression in some areas than I had and a bit of a worse impression in some areas as well. Run defense does not look very good at all for the most part and the pass rush seems to be about as good as it was last year.

Still, if we can repeat last year's performance and get lucky in a few games, we might be in the Superbowl this year.

plummershelper
08-28-2006, 10:31 PM
Very Comprehensive Alec. Nice work.

riiiiick
08-29-2006, 07:04 AM
5 to walker, 3 to rod, 2 to shef, 2 to kircus, 1 to alexander, 1 throw away. i didn't see the game but many on here were saying jake "locked in on rod", must have been second half?

gunns
08-29-2006, 08:10 AM
Ed Houchuli does not need a bigger shirt. He fills it nicely.

ShutDownPoster
08-29-2006, 08:10 AM
I still dont understand why we are playing guys 10 yds off the line? Is this all attributed to Coyer???

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:15 AM
I still dont understand why we are playing guys 10 yds off the line? Is this all attributed to Coyer???

They were not ten yards off. Alec was embellishing ;D Williams was more like 5-7 yards off.

However, that still allowed an easy fourth and 3 completion that should have never happened. Williams got corrected on that after the play.

Mile High Shack
08-29-2006, 08:16 AM
They were not ten yards off. Alec was embellishing ;D Williams was more like 5-7 yards off.

However, that still allowed an easy fourth and 3 completion that should have never happened. Williams got corrected on that after the play.

so what you are saying is
that wasn't Coyer, that was actually DW not setting up correctly?

then I need to take back what I said that night then :)

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:18 AM
so what you are saying is
that wasn't Coyer, that was actually DW not setting up correctly?

then I need to take back what I said that night then :)

Precisely:thumbsup:

Mile High Shack
08-29-2006, 08:20 AM
Precisely:thumbsup:


it's hard to trust such a defensive apologist though ;)

I did mention to rascal that I did like that he corners appear to be sitting up closer this year

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:20 AM
so what you are saying is
that wasn't Coyer, that was actually DW not setting up correctly?

then I need to take back what I said that night then :)

Funny how everyone attributes defensive errors to Coyer and not the players. Reflexively, the players make all the mistakes on offense and not the "mastermind". Hmmm...

ShutDownPoster
08-29-2006, 08:20 AM
Precisely:thumbsup:

Our DB studs gotta play 'em tight this year or it'll be another long AFCCG!!!

Mile High Shack
08-29-2006, 08:21 AM
Funny how everyone attributes defensive errors to Coyer and not the players. Reflexively, the players make all the mistakes on offense and not the "mastermind". Hmmm...

based on last year and even CHAMP playing 7-10 yards off and that zero blitz crap and the Pittsburgh debacle, it's hard not to be on their case a tad

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:23 AM
it's hard to trust such a defensive apologist though ;)

I did mention to rascal that I did like that he corners appear to be sitting up closer this year

Yeah, it is hard. But I also criticize them quite liberally too :strong: Biggest apologist, worst critic too.

ShutDownPoster
08-29-2006, 08:23 AM
based on last year and even CHAMP playing 7-10 yards off and that zero blitz crap and the Pittsburgh debacle, it's hard not to be on their case a tad

Ok, but somebody's gotta make the correction ;)

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:26 AM
based on last year and even CHAMP playing 7-10 yards off and that zero blitz crap and the Pittsburgh debacle, it's hard not to be on their case a tad

Champ was injured and press coverage has never been his forte. The Foxworth thing has been rehashed ad hominem. He failed to close the distance playing that far off because he was afraid to get beat deep in a big game. Instead, he kept PIT on the field and grinding with the Freakin passing game AARRRGGHHH!

Jason in LA
08-29-2006, 08:35 AM
I wouldn't analyze this stuff so much. It's preseason. They aren't running their real stuff. I remember a couple years back Shanny called the same play like 11 times in a row in a preseason game. So there is no point in going into detail about this stuff.

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:39 AM
I wouldn't analyze this stuff so much. It's preseason. They aren't running their real stuff. I remember a couple years back Shanny called the same play like 11 times in a row in a preseason game. So there is no point in going into detail about this stuff.

Most Preseason games are that way Jason, but the third one is a complete game plan. It is the regular season tune up for the coaches and players and they go threw the exact same process and scouting reports with the players. There were plays that the Broncos ran last night that I have never seen them run in game on both sides of the ball.

Rock Chalk
08-29-2006, 08:49 AM
They were not ten yards off. Alec was embellishing ;D Williams was more like 5-7 yards off.

However, that still allowed an easy fourth and 3 completion that should have never happened. Williams got corrected on that after the play.

On 3rd and 4th and short, they need to be jamming the receivers at the line. JMO.

Mediator12
08-29-2006, 08:57 AM
On 3rd and 4th and short, they need to be jamming the receivers at the line. JMO.

They are still going to play off IMHO, but they should be 3-5 yards away like Champ was in that situation.

jayman_37
08-29-2006, 09:10 AM
after watching our running game last night I thought of something. Back in the glory days it seemed that when we ran our zone plays we cut back against the grain much more than our runners do now. I saw several instances where Mike and Tatum could have cut back across the line behind the center and the linebackers would have been caught in the wash and allowed us to break a much longer run than just running downhill as they say. I remember the toss that TD used to run we would toss to the right and he would cut back across to the left side of the field. Does anyone else notice this lack of a cutback even though the lanes are there.

Jason in LA
08-29-2006, 09:13 AM
Most Preseason games are that way Jason, but the third one is a complete game plan. It is the regular season tune up for the coaches and players and they go threw the exact same process and scouting reports with the players. There were plays that the Broncos ran last night that I have never seen them run in game on both sides of the ball.

Yeah, the 3rd game is a bit of a tune up, but I'd say that it's just a little less vanilla than the first three. It still doesn't mean much.

I think the Colts went 0-4 in the preseason last year. What does that tell you?

loborugger
08-29-2006, 01:02 PM
Nice stuff, Alec... Couple of thoughts.

1. Houston did play the run tough, but we moved the ball quite well thru the air. I think Houston was determined to stop the run at any expense. I loved the grins on Javon's face. SO SO glad we passed on TO.

2. Bell (Mike) has looked better, IMHO. Bell (Tatum) looked better tonite. Cedric Cobb, although he was running in the 2nd half, was lights out.

3. Props to Houston, esp their defense. They came to play.

4. Isnt it AWESOME seeing kicks go 3 or more yards into the endzone!!!

5. Dude, if I look like Ed Hoculi when I get to that age, I would proudly wear a shirt like that.

epicSocialism4tw
08-29-2006, 01:37 PM
based on last year and even CHAMP playing 7-10 yards off and that zero blitz crap and the Pittsburgh debacle, it's hard not to be on their case a tad

Goodness. Foxworth looked completely inept in that game. He's smarter than that. Lets hope that 2+2 will = 4 for him this time around, and that he'll make better decisions. He was the weak link out there on either side of the ball.

Ballhawk
08-29-2006, 03:56 PM
I watched it again and I could swear our starting Oline was not even trying to get to the 2nd lvl on running plays. Mike B took some big time shots and I wonder if this was Shanny's final test to see if he would secure the rock?

Tatum does not impress me at all, his TD was ugly as he went into the line upright and got stood up. It was more the work of the Oline pushing that got him in. Yes he will bust a couple 8-11 runs, but everything else are drive killers.

Cobbs did run hard and punished some would be tacklers.

Rock Chalk
08-29-2006, 04:11 PM
I watched it again and I could swear our starting Oline was not even trying to get to the 2nd lvl on running plays. Mike B took some big time shots and I wonder if this was Shanny's final test to see if he would secure the rock?

Tatum does not impress me at all, his TD was ugly as he went into the line upright and got stood up. It was more the work of the Oline pushing that got him in. Yes he will bust a couple 8-11 runs, but everything else are drive killers.

Cobbs did run hard and punished some would be tacklers.

Tatum followed KJ on the TD through no hole. Low, upright didnt matter on that specific play, there was no hole. Had the O-line not been able to get good push (and KJ too) no RB on our roster would have scored.

Cobbs looks good against scrubs. Id like to see him get some first team carries but alas, its too late for that now :(

Ballhawk
08-29-2006, 04:18 PM
Tatum followed KJ on the TD through no hole. Low, upright didnt matter on that specific play, there was no hole. Had the O-line not been able to get good push (and KJ too) no RB on our roster would have scored.

Cobbs looks good against scrubs. Id like to see him get some first team carries but alas, its too late for that now :(

Cobbs will get a chance IMO, Q was the starter, got hurt, and RD came out of nowhere. Cobbs is just a sprained ankle away from 5-10 carries in a real game.

Rock Chalk
08-29-2006, 04:21 PM
Cobbs will get a chance IMO, Q was the starter, got hurt, and RD came out of nowhere. Cobbs is just a sprained ankle away from 5-10 carries in a real game.

I meant for pre-season. I dont wish injury on any of our RBs and trust the coaching staff implicitly in this regard regarding starters.

Ballhawk
08-29-2006, 04:25 PM
Not about wishing ill on a guy, injuries are part of the game. Cobbs will need to play well for us at some point this year even if it is for just a qrt here and there, just like Dayne did last year.

labronx
08-29-2006, 05:04 PM
Tatum followed KJ on the TD through no hole. Low, upright didnt matter on that specific play, there was no hole. Had the O-line not been able to get good push (and KJ too) no RB on our roster would have scored.

Cobbs looks good against scrubs. Id like to see him get some first team carries but alas, its too late for that now :(

good point alec, there was no hole. I also thought it was the work of the line, it looks like he gets pushed in from one angle but on the second replay you could see he actually spins his way in going in backwards. At first I thought it wasn't a good run, once you see that replay you see that it acutally was and that he never gave up on the play, he fought for yardage.

thats a good sign.

fdf
08-29-2006, 07:09 PM
good point alec, there was no hole. I also thought it was the work of the line, it looks like he gets pushed in from one angle but on the second replay you could see he actually spins his way in going in backwards. At first I thought it wasn't a good run, once you see that replay you see that it acutally was and that he never gave up on the play, he fought for yardage.

thats a good sign.

That run was the first time I've ever seen TB fight hard for yardage in close and get it. That extra 2 feet was 100% TB effort. Good sign.

Rock Chalk
08-29-2006, 08:34 PM
Not about wishing ill on a guy, injuries are part of the game. Cobbs will need to play well for us at some point this year even if it is for just a qrt here and there, just like Dayne did last year.

I knew I didnt word that right. What I really meant is that whomever is running the rock, Im OK with. Be it Mike, Tater or Cedric is fine by me. I just wish I could have gotten a better gauge on Cedric against the first stringers, but since they wont play in the 4th game I wont get that chance. I highly doubt Shanahan is going to change the pecking order between the Bells and Cobbs at this point (Mike and Tatum might switch, but I dont think that's likely either at this point). If Cedric, in limited playing time, really shows some stuff during the season, that will be great but I dont expect we will see much of him barring injury which is why I said the injury thing.

labronx, thats precisely what I mean when I said Tatum is showing vast improvement this year. I dont necessarily think he is the best back (i havent seen enough of any of them to make that determination) but I have seen enough of Tatum this pre-season to assuage my fears that he is just a one dimensional runner. He seems to be more complete having taken that next step and having him, Mike Bell and Cedric on the team does alleviate some of my running concerns - in so much as the running backs are concerned. However, I am concerned by the inconsistency on the offensive line at creating big enough holes for our guys to be able to find a cutback lane in the open field. The opportunities were few and far between for any of the backs against the first team D of Houston.

Concerning that, I do think Houston's front four has made a remarkable improvement over last year and that falls almost solely on Mario being a presence. He, like almost all great players, makes others on that team better. Having watched them fairly closely this offseason, he is a bonafide stud. He reminds me much of Pryce before Pryce was a bitch. So our offensive line not getting big holes against a much improved front four of Houston plus a solid LB corps should not be a surprise. Im a running back kind of guy though and I love smash mouth football and when I see my team struggle with it, I get frustrated even if I know the defense they are up against is better than advertised. That and Kubiak being able to gameplan against us better than pretty much any other coach in the league may have something to do with it.