Um, is Cobbs the best GAMEDAY running back on the team?

[Man-Goblin]

First game I've gotten to see tonight...Just wondering......

[ward63]

All I know is, is that Dayne better play against AZ and he better play lights out.

[SoCalBronco]

He has done well...but keep in mind it has been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses. Still, he prolly has earned a spot on the club over Dayne for his performances the last two weeks.

[12th man]

He's been playing great in all of the pre season games. I want to see what he can do with the first teamers. From what Iv'e seen this preseason in games, He has showed good feet, vision, burst, and power. He runs hard. I got to say, I have really liked what I have seen from him.

[Dedhed]

He does break a lot of tackles.

[~Crash~]

Tater should be the starter from the games I have seen and Nash should also get a long look also next week...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Tatum Bell didn't run that well tonight IMO. He runs tentative at times instead of hitting the line.
His TD run was horrible, upright and hesitant.

[Dedhed]

He has done well...but keep in mind it has been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses.
With second and third string OL.

[Man-Goblin]

He does break a lot of tackles.

That's what I notice most of all. I was really unimpressed with Mike Bell....Because of his height he look even lankier than Tatum. Just a first impression, and of course, it's just the preseason, though.

[baja]

We should trade Dayne to Kubes for a low pick

[Dedhed]

Tater should be the starter from the games I have seen and Nash should also get a long look also next week...

Have you been watching Broncos games?

[Arkie]

keep in mind he has had to run behind a line of 2nd and 3rd teamers

[ward63]

Cobbs WILL make this team

[Florida_Bronco]

Tatum Bell didn't run that well tonight IMO. He runs tentative at times instead of hitting the line.
His TD run was horrible, upright and hesitant.

I gotta disagree. He seemed to run real well tonight and showed a great second effort to score that touchdown.

[theAPAOps5]

I still think that Mike Bell is game one starter but I also think that our running backs are going to be a two headed monster this year with the bells. Both Bells looked mediocre at best tonight with Tatum having a little edge. But it was also a vanilla offence. Dayne unfortunately has his days numbered here I think. Turf toe is always a worriesome injury and Cobbs has run lights out against the players he has faced. I think he is an excellent third string or even 2nd string back. He made some nice cuts tonight.

[BroncoBuff]

Cobbs and Tatum ...


The best 2 backs imo.

[TheChamp247]

from what i've seen he always makes a big play, and holds his own, granted he is usally in with the 2nd and 3rd teamers. he is still impresive

[theAPAOps5]

Mike and Tatum are the two best back IMO, cant say that Cobbs is until he plays against something else other then the back ups and future cut list players

[2KBack]

That's what I notice most of all. I was really unimpressed with Mike Bell....Because of his height he look even lankier than Tatum. Just a first impression, and of course, it's just the preseason, though.

Mike got very few quality opportunities tonight, which actually made me think that his name on the first string roster is put in ink. They tossed him at a stacked line a few times and then pulled him. Tatum looked like typical tatum, he had some good holes to run through, better than the holes mike got. It alomost looked like the defense was expecting more passes with tatum. He did keep his feet better than normal though, which was impressive since everyone else was slipping. Cobbs was a man, I don't care who he was playing against he was dragging defenders, and the stiff arm on his first run was murderous. Cobbs is starting to get back in step, I think he has just been slow to retuen to form.

[Kaylore]

Our offensive line talent is very deep so runing backs on the second team are going to see big holes when they run against second and third string defenders.

[Wes Mantooth]

Tater was worthless tonight. Danced around too much in the backfield.

[Kaylore]

Tater was worthless tonight. Danced around too much in the backfield.

That's not true. He had a couple of nice ten yard runs.

[youcandoit1687]

cobbs looked pretty good in some limited pass pro, maybe a third down passing back?

tatum looked pretty good, some 8-10 yd runs

mike didnt do much but i could def see his explosiveness after the one cut

[theAPAOps5]

Tater was worthless tonight. Danced around too much in the backfield.

Worthless is a bit harsh don't you think? He did good stuff, he found some holes and had a TD.

[Hulamau]

Cobbs WILL make this team


Cobbs runnign behind the first team O will be hard to stop he should be our Thunder man. With the two Bells providing some lightening which ever one is hot and shows most consistency.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

He has done well...but keep in mind it has been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses. Still, he prolly has earned a spot on the club over Dayne for his performances the last two weeks.

I agree with your take here.
SoCal -- is Dayne tradeable? If so, what would he fetch in terms of a draft pick?

[Crushaholic]

Dayne isn't needed with Cobbs on the team. Maybe we can hide Nash on the PS and go with the Two Bells and Cobbs...

[youcandoit1687]

dayne gets what, a 6th? maybe a 5th?

[ward63]

dayne gets what, a 6th? maybe a 5th?

I'd say 6th

[Broncojef]

I'm not sure what game some of you were watching tonight. I was at the game and as a Mike Bell fan let me say Tatum should be our number one with Cobbs and Mike Bell behind him somewhere. Tatum had much more explosion at the line of scrimage and was the better looking back IMO. Dayne is so far cut he should be gone now.
1. Tatum
2. Cobbs
3. Mike Bell
Was what I saw tonight. By the way everyone knows Dayne is gone and can be had for free in a couple weeks, there will be no 5th-6th given up for him.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I came away unimpressed with Mike Bell tonight. Missed numerous cutbacks and didn't appear to have any burst through the hole.

[DarkHorse30]

Tater should be the starter from the games I have seen and Nash should also get a long look also next week...

Agreed. M. Bell didn't seem to read his cutback and often tries to keep running outside. Very different from the last game when he was slashing up the gut. Maybe Kubes had everybody drilled on overpursuit so the lanes didn't appear open, but on at least one play, Mike ran right up the back of his o-line instead of cutting inside on a decent sized opening.

T. Bell, OTOH, made the cut and got at least 2 8-10 yard runs. He just hits the hole faster than mike and reades the open cut. Start him.

[Atlas]

He has done well...but keep in mind it has been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses. Still, he prolly has earned a spot on the club over Dayne for his performances the last two weeks.

You know SoCal... I don't care if he was playing against 5th teamers. This is the third week in a role he has been the best back on the field. He runs so hard and he is so powerful. If I was Shanny I would shock the world and send fantasy Geeks in a frenzy by announcing that Cobbs would be the opening day starter with T. Bell backing him up. That would leave M. Bell as the third back.

[Atlas]

We should trade Dayne to Kubes for a low pick

Why would Kubes do that?? Houston gets the chance to pick up players that have been cut.

[maven]

dayne gets what, a 6th? maybe a 5th?


how about a 12 pack of beer? Or better yet, Jake is worth a 2nd rounder after this season. Hilarious!

[baja]

Our offensive line talent is very deep so running backs on the second team are going to see big holes when they run against second and third string defenders.

Excellent point I wondered why the second team back always shines and this the reason.

[Atlas]

Dayne isn't needed with Cobbs on the team. Maybe we can hide Nash on the PS and go with the Two Bells and Cobbs...

Nash isn't eligible for the practice squad.

[Arkie]

Mike got very few quality opportunities tonight, which actually made me think that his name on the first string roster is put in ink. They tossed him at a stacked line a few times and then pulled him. Tatum looked like typical tatum, he had some good holes to run through, better than the holes mike got. It alomost looked like the defense was expecting more passes with tatum. He did keep his feet better than normal though, which was impressive since everyone else was slipping. Cobbs was a man, I don't care who he was playing against he was dragging defenders, and the stiff arm on his first run was murderous. Cobbs is starting to get back in step, I think he has just been slow to retuen to form.

It's no fun being on the receiving end of his murderous stiff arm.

http://oinkville.tripod.com/cedric1.jpg

[DeusExManning]

We should carry four backs, the Bells, Cobb and Nash. Cobb should move to starter. I realize he is going up against 2nd and 3rd teams but his style, burst in power seems superior right now. Mike seems like another Tatum without the speed. He has been lucky in camp. Using Cobb and Bell as the starters would be great.

[Atlas]

We should carry four backs, the Bells, Cobb and Nash. Cobb should move to starter. I realize he is going up against 2nd and 3rd teams but his style, burst in power seems superior right now. Mike seems like another Tatum without the speed. He has been lucky in camp. Using Cobb and Bell as the starters would be great.

I feel sorry for the Rams.... You know Shanny won't say who the starter is until opening day.... That poor Ram D is going to give up over 200 yards to Broncos on the ground.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Cobbs reminds me a little of Corey Dillon.

Similar size, killer stiff arms.

[titan]

In addition to his tough running tonight, I was impressed with Cobb on his short pass reception from Cutler in the 4th quarter. Cobb caught the ball and then made a nice move to pick up the 1st down. I've never thought Tatum Bell was much of a threat in the passing game - Cobb in just that one play showed me something I haven't seen from Tatum.

Broncos announcer Dave Logan said on the channel 4 post game show tonight he's not sure who the starter will be at running back in St Louis for game 1.

[Atlas]

Cobbs reminds me a little of Corey Dillon.

Similar size, killer stiff arms.

Really?? Is Dillon that Big??

Cobbs runs like a tank. I really want him to be the back. Can you imagine a defense banging again him all day and then have Tatum come in the game with his speed??

[DBroncos4life]

Really?? Is Dillon that Big??

Cobbs runs like a tank. I really want him to be the back. Can you imagine a defense banging again him all day and then have Tatum come in the game with his speed??

Dillon is 6'1" 225 Cobbs is 6'0" 225

[baja]

Why would Kubes do that?? Houston gets the chance to pick up players that have been cut.

For the same reason that Dallas was willing to pay a 6th for a WR that they knew would be cut a week later to be sure to get him there will be a lot of teams offering contracts. I don't think it is automatic that dayne would have to sign with Houston granted they have first shot at him but does he have to play there?

[Rock Chalk]

Mike Bell not so impressive. Runs with heart but upright and is going to get injured. If he is to be our starter, its good we have quality depth because he wont play the whole season.

Tatum showed remarkable improvement from last year. Inside running was much more improved, showing great second effort. The TD where Slug says he was "tentative" was because there was no where to go and he had to wait for an opening. WHen it came he pushed through.

Cobbs has played well in the action I have seen him and his TD run was a thing of beauty but the hole and cutback lane even I could have ran through. That stiff arm he gave was brilliant, my favorite play of the night by far.

Who is Dayne?

I dont care who starts, but the offensive line blocking needs to improve and quickly. Kaylore says we have great depth, but clearly our starters aren't at full speed yet because they did not do a very good job for the starting backs or for Plummer in pass protection with the exception of Lepsis who handled Mario and blitzers both well.

Id say go with Bell and Bell and it really doesnt matter which one starts with Cobbs in reserve for WHEN Mike Bell gets injured. The way he runs, Im almost positive the guy is going to miss time this season.

[Atlas]

For the same reason that Dallas was willing to pay a 6th for a WR that they knew would be cut a week later to be sure to get him there will be a lot of teams offering contracts. I don't think it is automatic that dayne would have to sign with Houston granted they have first shot at him but does he have to play there?

Your not understanding. Houston gets the first choice of all cut players. Why would they trade for a player that is going to get cut when they get the first chance to claim him.

The Adams situation is totally different. When the Broncos cut Adams Dallas won't get a chance to claim him because Houston is going to claim him.

[Hulamau]

Cobbs has played about 3 to 3 1/4 quarters total for us in 3 games and has 173 yrds on 31 carries for a 5.58 yrd ave.

Those are Portis numbers with a very different running style. Of course, he's got to do it against 1st line defenses, but he'll also have 1st team offensive line in front of him

Its also no accident many of his yards have come with Cutler in there too as Cutler's passing ability makes the defense a bit gun shy and not focused so much on the run.

Speaking of which, Cutler has had 12 drives for 360 yrds on 27 completions on 43 passes for 63% efficiency and a 13.33yrd average/pass completion- 2 TDs and no INTS

Plus Cutler has had to make a bunch of really clutch plays like the two 2 minute drives, as well as the pass to Nate Jackson and clutch 4th down go for broke pass to Miree tonight.

Cutler could also have had a lot bigger stats if he hadnt been asked to shut it down both against the Titans in his last drive and tonight taking a couple of knees at the end.

We're in good shape on many fronts

[baja]

Your not understanding. Houston gets the first choice of all cut players. Why would they trade for a player that is going to get cut when they get the first chance to claim him.

The Adams situation is totally different. When the Broncos cut Adams Dallas won't get a chance to claim him because Houston is going to claim him.

I do understand they have first shot at him off wavers but he and his agent have a right to find the best deal for him, no?

[baja]

Damn this takes the sting out of the loss of Alec's avatar


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1156694056

[Atlas]

I do understand they have first shot at him off wavers but he and his agent have a right to find the best deal for him, no?

No. If the Texans claim him he goes there under the contract he signed with the Broncos.

[The MVPlaya]

Cobbs is not challenging Tatum Bell and Mike Bell for the starting positions. Once again this is ONE game. Look all the way back to training camp... he wasn't performing like this then. Shanahan will take the WHOLE mini-camp and pre-season to thought...Mike Bell and Tatum Bell are going to stay where they are.. battling for the #1 spot.

Cobbs did show some nice moves, we'll see how he plays against the Cardinals. Remember, last week Mike Bell outformed everyone against the 1st team defense. One game doesn't make a player.

Tatum Bell is still showing the same of 15 yards runs, coming back with 0 yard gains.

[Atlas]

We should carry four backs, the Bells, Cobb and Nash. Cobb should move to starter. I realize he is going up against 2nd and 3rd teams but his style, burst in power seems superior right now. Mike seems like another Tatum without the speed. He has been lucky in camp. Using Cobb and Bell as the starters would be great.

You know I think Denver is might do that, but that would mean they are only going to keep one FB. Then they'll have Mustard come in and play some FB when needed.

If this happens either Sapp or Johnson are looking for employment elsewhere.

[Atlas]

Cobbs is not challenging Tatum Bell and Mike Bell for the starting positions. Once again this is ONE game. Look all the way back to training camp... he wasn't performing like this then. Shanahan will take the WHOLE mini-camp and pre-season to thought...Mike Bell and Tatum Bell are going to stay where they are.. battling for the #1 spot.

Cobbs did show some nice moves, we'll see how he plays against the Cardinals. Remember, last week Mike Bell outformed everyone against the 1st team defense. One game doesn't make a player.
.

Training camp doesn't mean squat after the preseaon starts. So he isn't a good practice player. A lot of guys aren't good practice players.

It hasn't been one game like you said. Cobbs has played lights out in all the games so far.

M. Bell also had the 1st team offense blocking for him....

[baja]

No. If the Texans claim him he goes there under the contract he signed with the Broncos.

Well you are correct than I did not know that. Doesn't seem fair though, he should be able find the best deal for him.

[Popps]

I remain ho-hum on Mike Bell.

He looks like a great kid, hard worker... and a very solid #2 back. Outside of that, I don't see anything he does particularly well that makes him special.
He's not as fluid, or does he have the vision Mike Anderson had, and he certainly doesn't match up with past guys like Portis.

I guess I'm just spoiled, but he really looks plain to me. Cobbs looks a little more interesting, but looks awfully slow at times. Nash was the guy that really wowed me with his overall physical ability, but he missed a big opportunity tonight. (Missed practice with a sort knee Friday.)

I mean, I think we'll be fine with Mike Bell... but that's about it. I think we could really use one of the other guys to step up and make a run at it.... but it's probably too late.

Hopefully our improved receiving threats will open up the run game a bit more for us, because I do think we slid a bit

[The MVPlaya]

How you perform in practice is what Mike likes...he's stated that. You think Shanahan will play a guy that does good in games but **** in practice? Go listen to some interviews. He likes players that does good in practice TOO.

Mike Bell had the 1st team offense blocking for him? So? He was going up against 1st team defense? Why are you using this against him?

Cobbs has 2nd and 3rd team blocking for him, as he went up against 2nd and 3rd team defense?

What's your point? Cobbs has had most of the carries this pre-season too. We will probably keep him, but as I said I don't think he'll be challenging the #1 spot.

What player on our squad plays well in the games but not in practice? What player in the NFL is like that?

[baja]

Holly snot suckin Jesus that is one sexy women

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1156694056

[BroncoSoja]

He has done well...but keep in mind it has been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses. Still, he prolly has earned a spot on the club over Dayne for his performances the last two weeks.

So tired of hearing comments like this, this is the NFL we are talking about here. Minus a few star players on ever team there is not that much difference between 1st 2nd or 3rd string, all these guys showed some talent somewhere along the line that had a NFL scout thinking that they could make it to the big show. Regardless of what the status on the NFL team is they are very solid players.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I think he is an excellent third string or even 2nd string back. He made some nice cuts tonight.

I think at the very least he should be the teams main short yardage and goal line back. Of both Bells Nash, Dayne and Cobbs, he has the most power, and he hits the hole hard has a great burst and breaks tackles. I say he needs at least 1 opportunity to run with the Bells on first string. If Shanny seriously wants to see who the best of the RB's is, then he needs to give equal opportunity, Cobbs has earned at least the right to get into the competition to be number 1.

[2KBack]

What player on our squad plays well in the games but not in practice? What player in the NFL is like that?

Cedric Cobbs

[fontaine]

Damn o-line protection was spotty but Kubes was blitzing a lot too and Mediator said we weren't really playing the zone blocking on run plays so that may be why our run game for the starters wasn't up to snuff.

Our Running Game will be fine. The OL will still do what it does best and our passing game with Walker/Sheffler should be improved enough to give the RBs more running room up the middle.

The question is going to be who's the best RB combo?

The Bells or Tatum/Cobbs or Mike/Cobbs.

I'm not surprised that Cobbs is looking better now. One of the negatives on him in the draft was that he takes a lot of time to pick up the mental aspects of the game and needs a lot of reps to get familiar with the running plays.

If he continues to improve then I hope we keep him over Dayne because lets face it, Dayne isn't going to improve.

[elsid13]

Quick thoughts on the back tonight

Mike Bell - spotty running but was pretty good on pass blocking and catching the ball

Tatum Bell - ran hard and actual wasn't pulled down after the first hit

Cobbs - played real well and hit the holes hard

In many ways I think Shanahan and Dinger were looking at different scenarios vs game planning. They wanted to check out MBell pass blocking and Tatum inside running. I not worried about the running game at all.

[eddie mac]

I have to be totally honest but for the 1st time in years I'm actually a little worried about our running game. I'm am nowhere near confident that any of the backs on our roster can take up the slack against a decent defense and take the pressure off Plummer of not having to go out and win games himself.

Because when that kind of pressure's on Jake he normally folds.

[Taco John]

The one thing I saw Mike Bell do well that impressed me was his ability to run through arm tackles...


http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3871/dxs1020827211024x768wq1.jpg


The thing I didn't like was that he doesn't seem to have the vision or speed to explode through the open hole, and thus finds himself having to bust through arm tackles to pick up yards.

[OrangeShadow]

its going to be a tight race thats for sure

[yerner]

I thought I was watching the special olympics when Cobbs was in the game. Dude has a funny stride and looks way slow to me.

I think its about the same as last year with Bell and Bell.

[Dedhed]

I remain ho-hum on Mike Bell.

He looks like a great kid, hard worker... and a very solid #2 back. Outside of that, I don't see anything he does particularly well that makes him special.
He's not as fluid, or does he have the vision Mike Anderson had, and he certainly doesn't match up with past guys like Portis.

I guess I'm just spoiled, but he really looks plain to me. Cobbs looks a little more interesting, but looks awfully slow at times. Nash was the guy that really wowed me with his overall physical ability, but he missed a big opportunity tonight. (Missed practice with a sort knee Friday.)

I mean, I think we'll be fine with Mike Bell... but that's about it. I think we could really use one of the other guys to step up and make a run at it.... but it's probably too late.

Hopefully our improved receiving threats will open up the run game a bit more for us, because I do think we slid a bitI disagree with most of this take. I think MBell is much quicker and more explosive than MA, and I think his vision is at least on par with MA's. In Denver's system physical ability is a far distant second to vision. That's why TD was a stud and Tatum hasn't earned a start yet.

Cobbs has been solid in pre-season, but he looks like a carbon copy of Droughns to me.

[Gcver2ver3]

You know SoCal... I don't care if he was playing against 5th teamers. This is the third week in a role he has been the best back on the field. He runs so hard and he is so powerful. If I was Shanny I would shock the world and send fantasy Geeks in a frenzy by announcing that Cobbs would be the opening day starter with T. Bell backing him up. That would leave M. Bell as the third back.

I SOOOO agree with atlas....

I hate being so wishy washy on this topic....but i now want cedric cobbs to start...

nash has the power....tatum has the speed...COBBS HAS A COMBINATION OF BOTH...he reminds me of a young explosive MA...i know he has run against backups but he's playing WITH backups as well..

i was hyped about mike bell....but i don't see what he gives us over cobbs...mike bell's hips are more fluid but that's it...Cobbs has that power that i love....

[Gcver2ver3]

I disagree with most of this take. I think MBell is much quicker and more explosive than MA, and I think his vision is at least on par with MA's. In Denver's system physical ability is a far distant second to vision. That's why TD was a stud and Tatum hasn't earned a start yet.

Cobbs has been solid in pre-season, but he looks like a carbon copy of Droughns to me.

i disagree...

mike bell is actually quite plain...the one thing he has over the other backs is his shiftiness....but he doesn't move the pile like cobbs....

cobbs is the one that reminds me of MA...take another look at the TD run by cobbs...he has a real feel for the cutback move...plus he he uses good angles to stretch good runs into longer ones much like MA...

cobbs looks the best to me at this point...

[Dedhed]

I SOOOO agree with atlas....

I hate being so wishy washy on this topic....but i now want cedric cobbs to start...

nash has the power....tatum has the speed...COBBS HAS A COMBINATION OF BOTH...he reminds me of a young explosive MA...i know he has run against backups but he's playing WITH backups as well..

i was hyped about mike bell....but i don't see what he gives us over cobbs...mike bell's hips are more fluid but that's it...Cobbs has that power that i love....
I think it's a little silly to write off Mike Bell because of a single game against a defense that knew everything we were going to do. Sounds like you're ready to anoint whoever has the best game, and name a different starter every week.

Mike Bell has the best vision on the team, and that's the #1 trait for a RB in this system.

I normally operate under the theory that the 2nd string argument is a wash because both sides have 2nd stringers out there and the holes end up being the same size, or the seperation a receiver gets is the same as with the first team. But with Cobbs I think there's something to it. The most impressive thing about Cobbs has been his ability to break tackles, not his ability to find the hole or read his blockers. 2nd stringers don't wrap up like 1st teamers, and that makes me think his performance is a little inflated.

[watermock]

I thought I was watching the special olympics when Cobbs was in the game. Dude has a funny stride and looks way slow to me.

I think its about the same as last year with Bell and Bell.

Your crazy. He outran the entire defense with a one cutback and go. He outran the secondary.

[bendog]

I remain ho-hum on Mike Bell.

He looks like a great kid, hard worker... and a very solid #2 back. Outside of that, I don't see anything he does particularly well that makes him special.
He's not as fluid, or does he have the vision Mike Anderson had, and he certainly doesn't match up with past guys like Portis.

I guess I'm just spoiled, but he really looks plain to me. Cobbs looks a little more interesting, but looks awfully slow at times. Nash was the guy that really wowed me with his overall physical ability, but he missed a big opportunity tonight. (Missed practice with a sort knee Friday.)

I mean, I think we'll be fine with Mike Bell... but that's about it. I think we could really use one of the other guys to step up and make a run at it.... but it's probably too late.

Hopefully our improved receiving threats will open up the run game a bit more for us, because I do think we slid a bit

Honestly, from just the first 3 preseason games, I'm sorry shanny hyped mike bell so much cause imo he is the one who needs to go PS, and he's the only one eligible ... I think. IMO Mike Bell showed more in scrimmages than Tatum, and Dayne just sat out (and ate at the buffet). In terms of talent, it seems Tater, then Nash. Cobbs does seem sort of slow. Mike Bell does seem to fit the scheme, but he doesn't really seem to be that large and he's got below marignal speed.

[Drek]

I'm hoping we carry three RBs into the regular season, both Bells and Cobbs. After that it doesn't matter. We used two RBs to produce last year, we'll do it again this year. All three will get their opportunities to decisively take the #1 job, but even if none of the three step up and take it outright I'm sure our production from the RB position will be as high as ever.

[Smiling Assassin27]

That long run last night won Cobbs a spot, IMO. I think we see Dayne waived--one of the cuts that will raise an eyebrow.

[ludo21]

Cobbs will be playing frst teamers on thurdsday vs. the Cards, so we will geta good luck to see what he can do against 1st teamers.

Either the field was wet, or it just seems Bell has no balance.

[Mediator12]

What is amazing is that everyone has missed the plays called for mike and the plays called for Tatum. They ran Non-zone blocking plays for mike and Tatum had a bunch of inside and outside zones. Which style do you think the OL is more proficient at?

Mike had two pitches, two inside traps, a counter trap, two inside zone, and two pull plays. Tatum had 5 inside, 3 outside zone plays, and two goalline runs.

Pretty uneven comparison to me.

Cobbs also got a mixture of both but I have not charted that yet.

[Man-Goblin]

What is amazing is that everyone has missed the plays called for mike and the plays called for Tatum. They ran Non-zone blocking plays for mike and Tatum had a bunch of inside and outside zones.


Why did they do this? Preseason vanilla?

[ScottXray]

What is amazing is that everyone has missed the plays called for mike and the plays called for Tatum. They ran Non-zone blocking plays for mike and Tatum had a bunch of inside and outside zones. Which style do you think the OL is more proficient at?

Mike had two pitches, two inside traps, a counter trap, two inside zone, and two pull plays. Tatum had 5 inside, 3 outside zone plays, and two goalline runs.

Pretty uneven comparison to me.

Cobbs also got a mixture of both but I have not charted that yet.

As always, Med points out the FOOTBALL side of the equation. Good take. I also heard we weren't running the zone blocks in the 1st quarter. Why ? Probably to see how we MAN up on the OL, and whether we are going to be able to move the defense backward....which we didn't.

Any thoughts as to WHY they ran that way Mediator?:notworthy

[Jason in LA]

Just like every year, people are reading way too much into preseason games. When the regular season starts everybody's concerns seem to go away.

[theAPAOps5]

I am just ready to get the next game over with and have the season start I am excited with our team this year.

[bendog]

Interesting Med. I've only seen part of the first half so far, and the third qtr, and by the third I was annoyed with my daughter for not reading the directions for her homework due today and having to help redo an assignment, but it did seem to me that MB wasn't running a zone. I didn't make much of, but when I watch the tape I'll make not to look.

However, based on what I've seen of the 2.5 games I've seen, I still don't see the excitement over Mike Bell. He definitely plays bigger and faster than he is, but we had posters syaing he's the next TD. I'm expecting a little less power and speed than O. Gary, but much better instincts in the zone.

If they were running MB exclusively in gap schemes, I'd think it was to see how he did. Shanny's always modified the game for who he's got. For example, Gary ran that WS pitch where TBone stepped out and walled of the Will, Stinky cut the DE, and Nalen cut the DT, the WR took out the corner, and Gary sprinted outside and raced the weak safety to the marker. And Gary ran the traps.

Shanny will get the runs in, but I'm still disappointed we didn't have the ammo in the draft to get J. Norwood ... but hey, Cutlett and Sheffler .... no complaints.

[Taco John]

Just like every year, people are reading way too much into preseason games. When the regular season starts everybody's concerns seem to go away.

...in week two after a Champ Bailey interception finally kickstarted the entire team...


/just sayin'

[Kaylore]

Just like every year, people are reading way too much into preseason games. When the regular season starts everybody's concerns seem to go away.

Last year it was quite the opposite, actually. We looked awesome in pre-season and then we had the Miami game. :TJnPopps:

[Gcver2ver3]

I think it's a little silly to write off Mike Bell because of a single game against a defense that knew everything we were going to do. Sounds like you're ready to anoint whoever has the best game, and name a different starter every week.

Mike Bell has the best vision on the team, and that's the #1 trait for a RB in this system.

I normally operate under the theory that the 2nd string argument is a wash because both sides have 2nd stringers out there and the holes end up being the same size, or the seperation a receiver gets is the same as with the first team. But with Cobbs I think there's something to it. The most impressive thing about Cobbs has been his ability to break tackles, not his ability to find the hole or read his blockers. 2nd stringers don't wrap up like 1st teamers, and that makes me think his performance is a little inflated.


I'm not writing the guy off...

But Mike Bell doesn't exactly knock me off my feet...the honeymoon phase has passed and now i'm justing looking at it for what it is...

There is no right or wrong to this situation...its too close to call so opinions will vary...just keep that in mind...

i myself...i like cobbs at this point

[2KBack]

What is amazing is that everyone has missed the plays called for mike and the plays called for Tatum. They ran Non-zone blocking plays for mike and Tatum had a bunch of inside and outside zones. Which style do you think the OL is more proficient at?

Mike had two pitches, two inside traps, a counter trap, two inside zone, and two pull plays. Tatum had 5 inside, 3 outside zone plays, and two goalline runs.

Pretty uneven comparison to me.

Cobbs also got a mixture of both but I have not charted that yet.

I knew there was a difference in the blocking, thanks for explaining it. Mike seemed to have minimal creases and was forced to power through several people for his gains.

[Arkie]

Its also no accident many of his yards have come with Cutler in there too as Cutler's passing ability makes the defense a bit gun shy and not focused so much on the run.


Actually, he was the leading rusher in the 1st preseason game with BVP the entire time. That final drive started with Cobbs picking up two first downs on 4 consecutive carries. That setup up a potential game winning drive if Kircus hadn't dropped a poorly thrown pass from BVP in the endzone.

[Arkie]

Isn't the standing broad jump used to measure explosiveness? It looks like Cobbs is more explosive than Tatum or anyone else at the 2004 combine.

Broad Jump:
1. Cedric Cobbs - Arkansas 10' 3"
2. Julius Jones - Notre Dame 10' 1"
3. Troy Fleming - Tennessee 10' 0"
3. Clarence Farmer - Arizona 10' 0"
5. Tatum Bell - Oklahoma St. 9' 9"

[Atlas]

Well you are correct than I did not know that. Doesn't seem fair though, he should be able find the best deal for him.


I guess he is still under a NFL contract UNTIL he clears waivers. Then he becomes a FA.

[Atlas]

Last year it was quite the opposite, actually. We looked awesome in pre-season and then we had the Miami game. :TJnPopps:

Well, it was like 105 degrees with 80% humididty in that game.

[broncsyanks]

i thought tater looked good and deserves a shot at the starting job at least the 1st week where they play on turf so we can see how explosive he really is, if he fails to get a 100 then i would agree witht the mike bell bandwagon.

until then forget it tater has my vote

[obediah]

Just like every year, people are reading way too much into preseason games. When the regular season starts everybody's concerns seem to go away.

I agree 100%,, Everyone is talking about Jake sucking last night, i dont think he had THAT bad of a game and its friggin pre-season. Only on Sept. 10th will there be a place to discuss concearns with Veteran players.

Obediah

[watermock]

Cobbs came out of H.S. as one of the, if not the TOP recruit in the nation. He's had Courntney Brownitis or would of been a high first round pick. It remains to be seen if he can stay healthy, but so far so good. We have had some knicks but so far we haven't had any huge injuries. *knocks on wood* We will probably get our share, but again, so far, so good. The Marshall should get back soon.

I honestly think we kinda let up on Pubes Sunday night. Gary is Gilligan to Mike's Skipper. I guess that makes Sundquist the Professor and Bowlen Mr. Howell and his wife Ms. Howell. Ginger and Mary Ann, your free to fantasize about the cheerleaders of your choice.

Gary Kubiak and Shanahan will probably always be close friends and able to trade ect. Pubes needs some help and I bet he snags more than a couple of our cuts over the coming years.

It's kinda cool to have Denver South now. Beats that circus in Dallas. Bowlen was obviously happy to see Pubes in one of Man Boobs photos. He left in good standing, and I can confidently say that when Jake goes into the nether land, he won't flip us the bird like Pryce.

BTW, Portis has NEVER said a single word hammering Denver at least to my knowledge. He just wanted the cash.

[Drek]

Cobbs came out of H.S. as one of the, if not the TOP recruit in the nation. He's had Courntney Brownitis or would of been a high first round pick. It remains to be seen if he can stay healthy, but so far so good. We have had some knicks but so far we haven't had any huge injuries. *knocks on wood* We will probably get our share, but again, so far, so good. The Marshall should get back soon.

I honestly think we kinda let up on Pubes Sunday night. Gary is Gilligan to Mike's Skipper. I guess that makes Sundquist the Professor and Bowlen Mr. Howell and his wife Ms. Howell. Ginger and Mary Ann, your free to fantasize about the cheerleaders of your choice.

Come on, Lelie is clearly Ginger.

[bendog]

Come on, Lelie is clearly Ginger.

she got off the island

[Jetmeck]

Cobbs is not challenging Tatum Bell and Mike Bell for the starting positions. Once again this is ONE game. Look all the way back to training camp... he wasn't performing like this then. Shanahan will take the WHOLE mini-camp and pre-season to thought...Mike Bell and Tatum Bell are going to stay where they are.. battling for the #1 spot.

Cobbs did show some nice moves, we'll see how he plays against the Cardinals. Remember, last week Mike Bell outformed everyone against the 1st team defense. One game doesn't make a player.

Tatum Bell is still showing the same of 15 yards runs, coming back with 0 yard gains.

Exactly right on the money. It is funny how many of you were on the Mike Bell train last week now it is curious how most are wanting Cobbs.

[watermock]

What I can't figure out is how we had a final four season and we wind up playing Detroit, Houston, Arizona and hell, I don't even remember. Tennessee... Bad team, I'm not going to bother to look it up. It's like they are trying to set us up.

That's like playing...I dunno, cotton candy.

[Orange_Beard]

We should trade Dayne to Kubes for a low pick

Why not just wait a week? Why would he give a pick.

[GonzoLays]

Cedric Cobbs runs likes he has a pole stuck up his ass.

[The MVPlaya]

Cobbs will be playing frst teamers on thurdsday vs. the Cards, so we will geta good luck to see what he can do against 1st teamers.

Either the field was wet, or it just seems Bell has no balance.

Where do you get Cobbs will be playing first 1st team? 1st team players usually don't even play in the 4th pre-season game. Cobbs will be getting a lot of snaps on Thursday, but a lot of it won't be against or with first team players.

[GonzoLays]

Isn't the standing broad jump used to measure explosiveness? It looks like Cobbs is more explosive than Tatum or anyone else at the 2004 combine.

Broad Jump:
1. Cedric Cobbs - Arkansas 10' 3"
2. Julius Jones - Notre Dame 10' 1"
3. Troy Fleming - Tennessee 10' 0"
3. Clarence Farmer - Arizona 10' 0"
5. Tatum Bell - Oklahoma St. 9' 9"

And all five of those guys are just ripping up the NFL.

[The MVPlaya]

Does anyone have the statistics of Clinton Portis in his rookie year for the preseason games?

[elsid13]

What is amazing is that everyone has missed the plays called for mike and the plays called for Tatum. They ran Non-zone blocking plays for mike and Tatum had a bunch of inside and outside zones. Which style do you think the OL is more proficient at?

Mike had two pitches, two inside traps, a counter trap, two inside zone, and two pull plays. Tatum had 5 inside, 3 outside zone plays, and two goalline runs.

Pretty uneven comparison to me.

Cobbs also got a mixture of both but I have not charted that yet.

Excellent points like always. I don't believe they rolled Plummer out of pocket either during the game. Like I said before I think the coaching staff was seeing what each player could do and throwing them some curve balls.

[NYBronc]

Does anyone have the statistics of Clinton Portis in his rookie year for the preseason games?

He was third in the league with 162 yards.

1. R. Johnson CIN 199
2. C. Keaton CIN 174
3. C. Portis DEN 162
4. D. McAllister NO 153
5. J. Wells HOU 153

<A HREF="http://www.nfl.com/stats/2002/pre">2002 Preseason Stats</A>

Not sure how many carries he had.

[Arkie]

Cobbs only needs one yard against the Cardinals to tie Portis.

1. C. Cobbs DEN 161
2. R. Perkins SD 151
3. M. Turner SD 151
4. J. Norwood ATL 145
5. P. Cobbs NE 143

[Man-Goblin]

Cedric Cobbs runs likes he has a pole stuck up his ass.

Wait, is that good or bad?

[Arkie]

Wait, is that good or bad?

His goofy style is all good.

http://oinkville.tripod.com/cobbstex.jpg

[broncsyanks]

tatum
mike bell
dayne
cobbs

thats my order IMHO

[Cito Pelon]

Cobbs sure looks like a gameday type of back. He might be the best back on the roster. But coaches I guess like guys that practice better than he does. Keeps team dissension down, I guess.

Tatum I would probably start, but MB is not a slouch. If MB starts, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with the running game, it will be productive. It's the passing game that has to improve.

[theAPAOps5]

Seriously, I think worrying about who is starting in the Denver system is like stressing out over losing the tip off in a basketball game. If Tatum gets the start he will be great. Time is going to be split no matter what and MBell is going to get his carries also. I want to see Cobb make the team and get some shots himself, either way I think we are going to be ok. Add in an upgraded passing game and teams can't just load up against the run now. Kind of a two headed monster. Lost in this running back excitement is our D has played awesome, 1st team hasn't given up a TD, granted agains mediocre talent. If they keep it up and give us good field position and a good turnover ratio I think we are setting up nicely for a good run.

[Jetmeck]

i thought tater looked good and deserves a shot at the starting job at least the 1st week where they play on turf so we can see how explosive he really is, if he fails to get a 100 then i would agree witht the mike bell bandwagon.

until then forget it tater has my vote

While I believe Mike will be the better overall back I want Tatum to get his and yes on the turf in ST.LOUIS he should see the ball a lot. I will be there , YES..........

[tnedator]

Cobbs had a good, yet dissapointing, career at the University of Arkansas. He was a highly touted High School player that showed flashes of brilliance at Arkansas, but was often injured.

Some of his University of Arkansas highlights:


2426 career rushing yards is fifth on the University of Arkansas all time list
Averaged 5.1 YPC during his college career
His 26 rushing TDs puts him 4th in U of A history
3,049 all purpose yards ranks 7th in school history
Averaged 23.9 YPC on 21 kickoff returns
Missed the 2000 season with a shoulder injury, and games in other seasons with hamstring injuries
480 rushing attempts are 8th in school history
When he was the starter his senior year (2003) he averaged 5.8 YPC on 227 carries, and averaged 110 yards/g. 10 TD's.


Draft Stats and NFL Career info:

4.43 in the 40
410 lb bench press
475 pound squat
Drafted by NE in 2004 in the 4th round (128th)
Placed on the Physically unable to perform (PUP) list prior to his rookie ('04) season and activated from the PUP on 10/30/04
Upon being activated from the PUP, he played in 4 games in NE during his rookie season, but was inactive for NE's three playoff games
Released prior to the '05 season, and picked up by Denver and spent 2005 on the Denver practice squad


Cobbs was arrested on possession charges while at Arkansas, and that is beleived to be one of the reasons he fell so far in the draft.

I know on BroncoMania, a number of people have pointed out that he was cut by NE, so he can't be any good. What is important to realize is that his rookie year, he was put on the PUP with a leg injury and wasn't activated until some time in mid October or so. He only had one game were he saw more than a couple carries, and in that game he had something like 20 carries, and only averaged 2.2 ypc or something like that. His other two games his rookie year, was something like 1 carry and 3 carries.

Last year, he had another leg injury, and was cut during the preseason, and the Broncos picked him up right away, since Shanahan said he was considering picking him in '04, but the Pats took him first.

He came out the same year as Tatum, so this is his third year. Due to injuries last year and the year before (rookie year), he has basically only gotten into one game as a RB, so there is still a ton that is unkown about him.

For a big guy, he has good speed. He was clocked as low as 4.43 in the 40. His time in the combine was very slow, but he didn't even run the second time, because he had a sore/pulled hamstring.

[Atlas]

Cobbs had a good, yet dissapointing, career at the University of Arkansas. He was a highly touted High School player that showed flashes of brilliance at Arkansas, but was often injured.

Some of his University of Arkansas highlights:


2426 career rushing yards is fifth on the University of Arkansas all time list
Averaged 5.1 YPC during his college career
His 26 rushing TDs puts him 4th in U of A history
3,049 all purpose yards ranks 7th in school history
Averaged 23.9 YPC on 21 kickoff returns
Missed the 2000 season with a shoulder injury, and games in other seasons with hamstring injuries
480 rushing attempts are 8th in school history
When he was the starter his senior year (2003) he averaged 5.8 YPC on 227 carries, and averaged 110 yards/g. 10 TD's.


Draft Stats and NFL Career info:

4.43 in the 40
410 lb bench press
475 pound squat
Drafted by NE in 2004 in the 4th round (128th)
Placed on the Physically unable to perform (PUP) list prior to his rookie ('04) season and activated from the PUP on 10/30/04
Upon being activated from the PUP, he played in 4 games in NE during his rookie season, but was inactive for NE's three playoff games
Released prior to the '05 season, and picked up by Denver and spent 2005 on the Denver practice squad


Cobbs was arrested on possession charges while at Arkansas, and that is beleived to be one of the reasons he fell so far in the draft.

I know on BroncoMania, a number of people have pointed out that he was cut by NE, so he can't be any good. What is important to realize is that his rookie year, he was put on the PUP with a leg injury and wasn't activated until some time in mid October or so. He only had one game were he saw more than a couple carries, and in that game he had something like 20 carries, and only averaged 2.2 ypc or something like that. His other two games his rookie year, was something like 1 carry and 3 carries.

Last year, he had another leg injury, and was cut during the preseason, and the Broncos picked him up right away, since Shanahan said he was considering picking him in '04, but the Pats took him first.

He came out the same year as Tatum, so this is his third year. Due to injuries last year and the year before (rookie year), he has basically only gotten into one game as a RB, so there is still a ton that is unkown about him.

For a big guy, he has good speed. He was clocked as low as 4.43 in the 40. His time in the combine was very slow, but he didn't even run the second time, because he had a sore/pulled hamstring.

He runs like a tank. He'll be the starter by week 3.

[tnedator]

Cobbs is not challenging Tatum Bell and Mike Bell for the starting positions. Once again this is ONE game. Look all the way back to training camp... he wasn't performing like this then. Shanahan will take the WHOLE mini-camp and pre-season to thought...Mike Bell and Tatum Bell are going to stay where they are.. battling for the #1 spot.

Cobbs did show some nice moves, we'll see how he plays against the Cardinals. Remember, last week Mike Bell outformed everyone against the 1st team defense. One game doesn't make a player.

Tatum Bell is still showing the same of 15 yards runs, coming back with 0 yard gains.

Actually, you can easily argue that Cobbs outperformed M. Bell last week. When Cobbs had his 6.5 YPC against the Titans, it is true he was playing against 2nd or 3rd teamers, but he also didn't have the benefit of ANY passes being thrown. The defense knew that the Broncos were running, as they only threw 2 passes in the second half, and that was when Damian Nash was in earlier in the half.

So, he managed 6.5 YPC (along with some yardage taken off on holding calls) when the D knew that every single play was a handoff to Cobbs.

When Bell was running, we were running bootlegs and three wide (Scheffler in the slot).

[Jetmeck]

He runs like a tank. He'll be the starter by week 3.

Buy a lotto ticket, you would have better odds.....:wave:

[elsid13]

Actually, you can easily argue that Cobbs outperformed M. Bell last week. When Cobbs had his 6.5 YPC against the Titans, it is true he was playing against 2nd or 3rd teamers, but he also didn't have the benefit of ANY passes being thrown. The defense knew that the Broncos were running, as they only threw 2 passes in the second half, and that was when Damian Nash was in earlier in the half.

So, he managed 6.5 YPC (along with some yardage taken off on holding calls) when the D knew that every single play was a handoff to Cobbs.

When Bell was running, we were running bootlegs and three wide (Scheffler in the slot).

One could argue that by the time Cobbs was in the Titan D was mentally and physical defeated and was looking to get out of there with no injuries.

Med had it right, this game was about trying things out and putting players in position to see what would happen. People need to relax it was preseason game and not the 4 game of the regular season. And if Cobbs want to be the starter if needs to show it in practice.

[Atlas]

Buy a lotto ticket, you would have better odds.....:wave:


We'll see. Prepare to eat some crow.

[youcandoit1687]

it can all be answered with one acronym...RBBC

its inevitable, some of yall want a feature back, a 25 carry guy. BS IMO, the avg carries for a "feature back" is about 22 carries and that is a guy like barber or alexander that will be worn out in a few years if you use him like that.

look, we can plug in cobbs for short yardage, tatum for change of pace, and have mike be the regular first and second down guy. by doing that, we essentially have larry johnson in three less expensive packages. yes they may not have his versatility but we can also have a more dependable and experienced backup if one goes down. if one isnt on, then the other(s) can hopefully step it up. i dont see what is so difficult about this concept. theres no need to spend the draft pick, money, w/e on getting a feature back in this scheme. we should spend those resources on the dline getting a pass rush.

in todays modern NFL, there are an abundance of high quality RBs, just look at the draft with your 1st rounders plus guys like MBell, jerious norwood, etc. more and more, there will be a shift to RBBC. the broncos are ahead of this trend. thats my opinion

[youcandoit1687]

He was third in the league with 162 yards.

1. R. Johnson CIN 199
2. C. Keaton CIN 174
3. C. Portis DEN 162
4. D. McAllister NO 153
5. J. Wells HOU 153

<A HREF="http://www.nfl.com/stats/2002/pre">2002 Preseason Stats</A>

Not sure how many carries he had.

well dont read TOO much into that because look at the QBs who led the preseason that year....

Passing Yds
1. J. Harrington DET 579
2. M. Bulger STL 526
3. J. Palmer NYG 479
4. S. Rosenfels WAS 476
5. D. Johnson ATL 464

you have to look more at how they ran, who they ran with, etc. be a little more focused on one picture not the whole picture in this case.

[16-JakE-16]

ughhhhh...we need someone to step up and run away with the starting job

[bendog]

btw, I was curious so late last night, after getting back from 'back to school night,' an event every parent must endure ... I started charting MB in the first half. I got through his first 5 carries, and saw something similar, but not exactly what Med described.

1st carry - a trap or something akin

2nd carry - flat out dive to a gap on short ydage

3rd - pretty close to the OGary play, with a seal on the side and MB sprinting to the sideline. I think it was sort of a variation in that I recall it being to the SS with Sheffer sealign the SS and Lepsis the Sam.

4th was a zone scheme, but not the obvious one. It's one back from the TD years where 2 guys seal the back side, and three lineman zone with the fullback picking up someone.

5th - another trap or somethig with lineman pulling.

I stopped charting cause I was tired, but also because at 5:40 in the first, I saw Tatum run the same trap type play MB ran on his 5th carry.

Shanny was definitely mixing it up with his first string oline. And Carlyle continues to look good.

[youcandoit1687]

good info bendog. what was your analysis on MB vs. TB vs. any others' runs. was there anything where you could say, they both had a similar hole on a similar play but A did it better than B?