SD's Rivers hurt shoulder last night

[Barry Ramey]

I don't think it's considered serious, but he didn't play any of the 2nd half, which he was scheduled to. He took a lot of hits last night by Seattle and fumbled three times. Anybody who plays the Chargers this year should blitz him like crazy.

[Paladin]

Look for a weakened shoulder through the year and a rotator cuff problems somewhere in the next six or eight games. He be smacked bad.

[watermock]

But San Diego is the best team to never make the playoffs!

Don't talking heads ever get tired of that pontification?

Diaper Boy looks mean tho.

1. Denver 12-4
2. Kansas City 9-7
3. San Diego 8-8
4, Oakland 7-9

[Dedhed]

If Rivers isn't 100% all year, the Chargers are in trouble.

[MrPeepers]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SD/9621927

looks like its minor. you'd hope that for any player. i'd rather crush the chargers with all their players at full strength and not have to hear any injury excuses.

[boltaneer]

Rivers really only took one good shot last night and he did fumble.

The other two fumbles came very early in the game and were a bit bizarre. He dropped the ball before going for a play-action fake and the other was a center-quarterback exchange fumble.

I didn't think he played very well last night but San Diego's defense is looking real good at the moment. The Seahawks pretty much got a free fourteen points from the fumbles and couldn't move the ball much the entire game.

They reported on the broadcast that the injury was minor and he would have played in the second half if it wasn't a preseason game.

[Xenos]

Rivers really only took one good shot last night and he did fumble.

The other two fumbles came very early in the game and were a bit bizarre. He dropped the ball before going for a play-action fake and the other was a center-quarterback exchange fumble.

I didn't think he played very well last night but San Diego's defense is looking real good at the moment. The Seahawks pretty much got a free fourteen points from the fumbles and couldn't move the ball much the entire game.

They reported on the broadcast that the injury was minor and he would have played in the second half if it wasn't a preseason game.

He didn't play great, but much like the Chicago game, I liked how he bounced back afterwards and kept his poise. That third fumble shouldn't have happened though. We also finally have a QB that can throw the ball more than 25 yards.

[-Slap-]

Total agreement here, Bolt fans. He's a got a Billy Joe Tolliverish/Craig Whelihanish quality that harkens back to your rich tradition of quarterback play.

[Rock Chalk]

Rivers really only took one good shot last night and he did fumble.

The other two fumbles came very early in the game and were a bit bizarre. He dropped the ball before going for a play-action fake and the other was a center-quarterback exchange fumble.

I didn't think he played very well last night but San Diego's defense is looking real good at the moment. The Seahawks pretty much got a free fourteen points from the fumbles and couldn't move the ball much the entire game.

They reported on the broadcast that the injury was minor and he would have played in the second half if it wasn't a preseason game.

The first two fumbles werent bizarre. They were botched snaps. Nothing bizarre about that, just incompetence by the QB.

[Kaylore]

Brees was better.

Good to hear Rivers is ok, though.

[azbroncfan]

Brees was better.

Good to hear Rivers is ok, though.

I don't know about that it's easy to say that since they are a rival team but. time will tell. Brees doesn't look good without best TE and RB in the game. I think SD will drop off a little for the learning curve but Rivers has alot more tools than Brees.

[jossjeff]

If Rivers can be adequate the Chargers will be one hell of a tough team not only this year but for the next several.

Honestly I like them to win the division and the Mules to be a WC team.

Defensively the Bolts are loaded, Merriman is a flat out stud in the making, wish we had him in Oakland.

LT can run the ball a little as well.

I think the Bolts have done a great job rebuilding.

Picking top ten for a decade eventually pays off I guess.

[boltaneer]

He didn't play great, but much like the Chicago game, I liked how he bounced back afterwards and kept his poise. That third fumble shouldn't have happened though. We also finally have a QB that can throw the ball more than 25 yards.

I don't know... the defense got them back into the game last night, not Rivers. He made a couple of nice passes but the rest of the time he looked off. Actually, I'm not too impressed with his deep ball yet but it is better than Brees' (which is not saying much).

And regarding the other post about the first two fumbles, yes they were bizarre because they happened nearly back to back at the beginning of the game.

[Rock Chalk]

If Rivers can be adequate the Chargers will be one hell of a tough team not only this year but for the next several.

Honestly I like them to win the division and the Mules to be a WC team.

Defensively the Bolts are loaded, Merriman is a flat out stud in the making, wish we had him in Oakland.

LT can run the ball a little as well.

I think the Bolts have done a great job rebuilding.

Picking top ten for a decade eventually pays off I guess.

The only fault in your logic is that Brees last year was a more accomplished QB than Rivers and essentially they have the same team as last year sans Brees. Yet, they did not make the playoffs.

I agree they have a great team this year and would be in the running for the division title and possibly a playoff run, however, while Schotty is running the team, they are going nowhere fast.

[Kaylore]

I don't know about that it's easy to say that since they are a rival team but. time will tell. Brees doesn't look good without best TE and RB in the game. I think SD will drop off a little for the learning curve but Rivers has alot more tools than Brees.

It's easy to say because it's true. The staff started Brees ahead of Rivers two years in a row and only let Brees go because he was hurt and the GM wanted to unlock the money wrapped up in two positions.

[goldengopher1976]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SD/9621927

looks like its minor. you'd hope that for any player. i'd rather crush the chargers with all their players at full strength and not have to hear any injury excuses.

You're a better man than I...not that I'd wish injury on anyone, but I'd rather crush a depleted dolts team than lose (I'm inclined to think that each team will defend home field this year).

[Xenos]

The only fault in your logic is that Brees last year was a more accomplished QB than Rivers and essentially they have the same team as last year sans Brees. Yet, they did not make the playoffs.

I agree they have a great team this year and would be in the running for the division title and possibly a playoff run, however, while Schotty is running the team, they are going nowhere fast.

Brees main weakness was that he couldn't get the extra 8 or 9 men out of the box. All teams needed to do was stack the line against him and he collapsed (ie. the games against the Broncos). Also his size hurt him a lot too. If Rivers can get the extra men out of the box and keep defenses honest, as well as get over his mistakes, then we'll be a playoff team. This is why arm strength is somewhat of an important factor in the NFL. Of course, this is all hypothetical since if a major injury happened to Rivers,Gates, or Jamal, then it'll be a tougher battle.

[BigBoltIke]

Rivers might've had trouble handling the ball on two plays saturday, but so far his preseason performance has been pretty decent. I was at the game and he didn't look upset, or frustrated, which I imagine he would have been if he'd actually been injured. He got slammed to the ground and his arm got bruised.

He'll be fine, and most importantly, he doesn't have to play @ Denver until he has a few games under his belt.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

The Bolts are loaded defensively? Could have fooled me. That secondary is ****.

[Borks147]

where the hell did the charger trolls come from? this is...awkward...

but to answer the question about the secondary, antonio cromartie looks like a stud in the making, shredded knee ,imbecelic behavior and all

[boltaneer]

The Bolts are loaded defensively? Could have fooled me. That secondary is ****.

Marlon McCree looks to be who the secondary was been misisng these past years. The Chargers play a lot of cover three so and have had a void at FS. McCree looks to be changing the whole secondary with his presence. Jammer and Florence seem to be able to focus on their responsiblities more now.

Cromartie has shown incredible make up speed in coverage.

The run defense is elite, as most people know.

Of course, this is all preseason so it could go all out the window but the pass defense has looked great so far.

[BigBoltIke]

I don't really think I'm being a troll. I haven't posted anything meaningless, derogatory, off-topic, or offensive. But hey, it's your forum.

At any rate, I think the West is up for grabs this year, aside from fourth place, which is reserved for Oakland...

[Borks147]

I don't really think I'm being a troll. I haven't posted anything meaningless, derogatory, off-topic, or offensive. But hey, it's your forum.

At any rate, I think the West is up for grabs this year, aside from fourth place, which is reserved for Oakland...

nah I wasn't saying that your comments in particular were trollish, its just we're used to raider and chiefs fans coming for a visit, but very rarely charger fans, and even more rarely charger fans in numbers.

[Basileus777]

The Chargers defense isn't stacked, their front seven is. And no matter how good their front seven is, it doesn't change the fact that they have one of the worst secondaries in the league.

[bendog]

If McCree's what he's played up to be, it's a step up, but really SD's defense shows what a stud front 7 can do to hide a pretty weak secondary. Though it could be Jammer's adjusting to the rules that take away Ty Law's game. I'm not sure I'd be hearted by Florence being better than Davis, though. Might be like saying Walls was better than Shoate.

btw, nice to see bolt fans. I think you're in for a long year with Rivers though.

[Archie]

I don't know about that it's easy to say that since they are a rival team but. time will tell. Brees doesn't look good without best TE and RB in the game. I think SD will drop off a little for the learning curve but Rivers has alot more tools than Brees.

Agreed... I think Rivers has more upside then Brees. He could develop into a really solid NFL QB.

[boltaneer]

It's also important to note that Rivers doesn't have many weapons out there right now. LT hasn't played a snap and Gates is only playing about one series a game. No Vincent Jackson and Eric Parker (injuries). It's been only McCardell and some receivers who are fighting to make the roster.

[Xenos]

If McCree's what he's played up to be, it's a step up, but really SD's defense shows what a stud front 7 can do to hide a pretty weak secondary. Though it could be Jammer's adjusting to the rules that take away Ty Law's game. I'm not sure I'd be hearted by Florence being better than Davis, though. Might be like saying Walls was better than Shoate.

btw, nice to see bolt fans. I think you're in for a long year with Rivers though.

Dude, we were ranked 28th and you guys were ranked 29th in pass defense. The reason you guys are better is because of the turnover ratios. Champ can actually catch the ball unlike Jammer. That being said, the same thing happened to both of our teams. People couldn't run against either the Chargers or Broncos (except KC) so they ended up passing more.

[boltaneer]

Dude, we were ranked 28th and you guys were ranked 29th in pass defense. The reason you guys are better is because of the turnover ratios. Champ can actually catch the ball unlike Jammer. That being said, the same thing happened to both of our teams. People couldn't run against either the Chargers or Broncos (except KC) so they ended up passing more.

That's a good point.

But I dislike the defensive statistics most people go by. It's not necessarily the yardage you give up but it's keeping them out of the endzone.

Denver allowed 16 points a game last year and the Chargers allowed 19.5. The Chargers needed to get that total to where Denver was last year and they could have went to the postseason since the majority of their losses were by a field goal or so. The defense looks much more aggressive this year.

Denver plays a more aggressive defense than San Diego and I think that allows them to have more opportunities for turnovers. But last year, San Diego's defense was really picking up steam towards the end of the year and it looks to be carrying over in the preseason so far. I'm expecting that points allowed total to drop a few points this year, as well as the turnover numbers.

Based on the type of defense San Diego plays, I think McCree is what their defense has been missing: a playmaking free safety.

[bendog]

Dude, we were ranked 28th and you guys were ranked 29th in pass defense. The reason you guys are better is because of the turnover ratios. Champ can actually catch the ball unlike Jammer. That being said, the same thing happened to both of our teams. People couldn't run against either the Chargers or Broncos (except KC) so they ended up passing more.

dooooode, I think you missed the pt. The pt was neither d is really that stout, but for different reasons, though as you note with similar results. But I certainly appreciate AFC W fans coming in with non-offensive non-smack takes.