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Taco John
08-24-2006, 01:33 AM
I received an email today from the wife of ex-Bronco Runningback, Jon Keyworth. Mrs. Keyworth has informed me that Jon is going to be writing a book about his experiences on the first Broncos Superbowl team from 1977, and wanted to get some feedback from the fans on what kinds of questions that they might have regarding this team and his expreience.

I'm letting her know that I'm starting a thread here in hopes that some of the old timers here could maybe pop in a few questions or offer a few comments that will help Jon get his creative juices flowing to write the best possible book he can and do that fine old team some justice.

So let's hear 'em!


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Clockwork Orange
08-24-2006, 01:49 AM
Who were the vocal leaders in the locker room? Who was the most inspirational player on the team?

Houshmazode
08-24-2006, 01:50 AM
Awesome. Even though I wasn't alive for 11 years when that happened, I would like to know what the media, coaches, organization players and Keyworth himself thought of the denver Broncos team in the off-season that year, pre-season, regular season and playoffs, all the way to the superbowl. Also how the team chemistry was at those certain times.

Taco John
08-24-2006, 01:58 AM
In addition to learning about the team, I'd be real interested in getting a perspective on the relationship that the players had with the fans at the time.

Clockwork Orange
08-24-2006, 01:59 AM
Was the team confident that they'd be contenders when the year started or did their confidence grow each week as the wins piled up?

Bob's your Information Minister
08-24-2006, 02:00 AM
I don't know if he'd be interested in questions from a Chiefs fan, but I'd like to know what the Broncos-Chiefs rivalry was like back then.

Taco John
08-24-2006, 02:05 AM
There were two losses that season... One in week seven, and one in week 14, the last week of the season.

The week seven loss was against the Oakland Raiders. The week 14 loss was against the eventual Superbowl champion Dallas Cowboys.

Which loss was a worse blow? Obviously, the team bounced back from both of them. I'd like to hear about how the team reacted to those losses, and what came out of them in hindsight that showed the heart of a Champion in the team.

watermock
08-24-2006, 03:20 AM
I grew up a Viking fan, and when I got to Denver University I was rather overwhelmed not being big man on the block because my dad and uncle had serious clout. There I was just a dumb farmer even tho I was on the debate team.

I kept hearing about the Broncos...8-1, 10-1...my ears started perkin' up. It just wasn't on my priority list.

My question would be (if Jon was there), his impressions of Ralston, Lou Saban and Red Miller.

One other that I'm sure will be covered would be the Dominant Orange Crush and specifically Lyle Alzado.

Some takes on the then powerfull Raiders would be good.

I only vaguely remember Keyworth, he was a blocking back that didn't touch the ball much if my memory serves me. I was a complete neophyte at that time. Christ, I was a Viking fan and had to test the waters. Obviously they were warm. Out of the RBBC I liked Rob Lytle the best. I honestly don't remember alot about that team.

Oh, there is one question that would be cool...I would drive past the orange car every day on Santa Fe at the salvage yard. I would like to know about Orange Crush mania.

I remember Jon as an excellent blocker with broad shoulders who wasn't scared to stick his nose into the action because this was a smash mouth football team.

broncocalijohn
08-24-2006, 05:39 AM
Jon Keyworth, is he gonna put out another record or single? I have that thing. I would like to know if the broncomania hit him when he was out in the public. What were some of the more interesting things he noticed aorund town during that season. Also, my first hero, Craig Morton, how was it to have a veteran QB in the huddle? Was he a great leader that was the difference to getting the AFC championship? Does he still see the guys for alumni day. How has the many deaths of that season affected him and his teammates today ie. Weese, Alzado ?

footstepsfrom#27
08-24-2006, 05:46 AM
Fans who grew up during the Elway years can't relate to the experience of going for years thinking you'd never even have a winning season and then suddenly all at once, you're in the Super Bowl...the dream come true. The emotions of losing that game are something I'll never forget. It was such a huge buildup in Denver that year. Everything was painted orange, including people. I was 19...and when they lost the Super Bowl, the emotional fall was so fast and so far...I cried like a baby.

Years later...I finally felt the other side of that roller coaster...a high I've never had in sports before or since...when they finally won it all against the Packers.

How did the players deal with the dissapointment of losing? Why was Red Miller such a quick exit after the meteoric rise...and what became of him? Is he still alive? What's he doing today and is he a Denver fan?

footstepsfrom#27
08-24-2006, 05:49 AM
Oh yeah...how would he rate Otis Armstrong as a runner? I remember when he and Otis both ran for about 150 in the same game one time. I always thought he was another guy who got cut short...and could have been a HOF runner had he stayed healthy.

-Slap-
08-24-2006, 07:45 AM
I'm interested in his opinions of his opponents during that era.

Who was the hardest hitter?

Who was the smartest player?

Who was most intense?

Who had a bad temper?

Who cheated for every inch and who was a good sportsman?

I'm sure Jon could fill pages with anecdotes about various players.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-24-2006, 07:50 AM
I can't wait to read this book! :thumbsup:

Spider
08-24-2006, 07:59 AM
Should be a good Book ......... 1 question I would have is , when Morton couldnt tie his own shoes due to Bruised Ribs , and still played , what effect did that have on the team ?

Nuggets4
08-24-2006, 08:47 AM
I don't have any questions (most of my basic ones were covered already), but I just wanted to let Keyworth know that my dad spent about a year and a half trying to find a copy of "Make Those Miracles Happen". When he finally did, it was one of the happiest times I've ever seen him. Still have that framed in his old office.

The Moops
08-24-2006, 09:11 AM
Three questions: Even though it was only Jon's second season with the club, he started alongside Floyd Little in his last game at Mile High Stadium in that frigid 18-degree December weather. What does he remember most about that game and what was it like being in the same backfield with Floyd?

Also, when Red Miller became coach the Broncos went to a runningback by committee approach. Did he like it that each running back ended up with about 400 yards a piece rushing?

Finally, does he think he fumbled in that controversial 77 AFC Championship game vs the Raiders?

Hotrod
08-24-2006, 09:15 AM
What does he think the players on that team would think of the likes of TO, Moss, Assy Lelie etc...

Old Dude
08-24-2006, 09:21 AM
What was the deal with Tom Glassic? I recall hearing that he had a severe physical illness prior to the SB (a staff infection, IIRC). How much did the rank & file know about that and what was the depth chart situation?

Sir Mawn
08-24-2006, 09:48 AM
Do you think there was an ingredient (player, coach, intangible, etc) missing that would've gotten them the Championship? If so... what was it?

ScottXray
08-24-2006, 10:01 AM
How much credit did the players feel was due for Red Miller, and How much to John Ralston , the guy that really built the defense?
did he have any feelings about the "player Revolt"that ended up with Ralstons exit and Millers hiring?

BroncoBuff
08-24-2006, 10:19 AM
Red Miller and his personality seemed so very integral to the success ... what kind of coach was he, and why did he never coach again after Kaiser fired him three years later? Was he in "over his head" from a pure football standpoint as some have said?

What was the true extent of Glassic's illness before the Super Bowl, and just how much weight had he lost? (Some estimate 20 pounds in 3 weeks, but that seems unlikely). Was Glassic's condition the biggest reason Harvey Martin went wild?

Who wrote the silly lyrics to Jon's "Make Those Miracles Happen" ?

BroncoBuff
08-24-2006, 10:23 AM
How much credit did the players feel was due for Red Miller, and How much to John Ralston , the guy that really built the defense?
did he have any feelings about the "player Revolt"that ended up with Ralstons exit and Millers hiring?
I second all that ...


And ask her to tell us where to get the book when it comes out. :wave:

BroncoBuff
08-24-2006, 10:30 AM
Three questions: Even though it was only Jon's second season with the club, he started alongside Floyd Little in his last game at Mile High Stadium in that frigid 18-degree December weather. What does he remember most about that game and what was it like being in the same backfield with Floyd?
Excellent idea ... he should devote a reasonable amount of the book to Broncos history, imo ...

The first ever AFL game ... the socks ... how bloody awful the team was before Ralston ... the old quansut huts on 57th street and Al Davis's spys nearby ...

And the "hick town" image that Denver believed it had and how the 1977 Orange Crush changed it. The book could have a "City Comes of Age" theme ...

And a full chapter to Floyd Little and how basically his presence and popularity alone saved the Broncos from moving ...

And if he wants to write a REALLY serious book, and get REAL attention .... he should write about Alzado and steroids.

The Moops
08-24-2006, 10:38 AM
If the Broncos didn't have an unbelievable 8 turnovers in Super Bowl XII they would have beaten the Cowboys . . .

Just to keep it 27-10 with that meltdown is incredible.

bendog
08-24-2006, 10:49 AM
Three questions: Even though it was only Jon's second season with the club, he started alongside Floyd Little in his last game at Mile High Stadium in that frigid 18-degree December weather. What does he remember most about that game and what was it like being in the same backfield with Floyd?

Also, when Red Miller became coach the Broncos went to a runningback by committee approach. Did he like it that each running back ended up with about 400 yards a piece rushing?

Finally, does he think he fumbled in that controversial 77 AFC Championship game vs the Raiders?
That was my question. Where was he on the Lytle fumble? What was the on field reaction. But also, the broncos were robbed by a bad call that allowed the Faide to score shortly before the fumble. What was the reaction on the sideline to that call?

Also, my recollection is that the Runningback by committee was really necessitated by Armstrong getting a bum knee and really not being all that he'd been.

I also seem to recall the broncos partied a bit too hard prior to the superbowl.

Tredici
08-24-2006, 11:29 AM
How bad was Craig Morton? I've heard that hip pointer was beyond brutal that he literally had to have someone else tie his shoes when he got out of the hospital bed.

His performance has been much criticized (and smirked at by Cowboy fans) maybe people should know exactly how much of an effort it took for him to play that day.

watermock
08-24-2006, 11:38 AM
Morton had no business even being on the field. He could barely walk, they shot him up, but it was a serious hip pointer.

There were some very questionable calls in that SuperBowl.

Billy Clyde Puckett
08-24-2006, 11:46 AM
Of course we would like to hear about funny anecdotes from the season.

Outside of that year, it would be nice to hear a little about his time at CU and the transition to the NFL.

Tredici
08-24-2006, 12:37 PM
How about the practical jokes being played by Jackson and Gradishar? Didn't Tiny Tom put snakes in Randy's locker once? I can never get enough of that kind of stuff.

ScottXray
08-24-2006, 12:42 PM
If the Broncos didn't have an unbelievable 8 turnovers in Super Bowl XII they would have beaten the Cowboys . . .

Just to keep it 27-10 with that meltdown is incredible.

REP! Both teams had incredible defenses. I said before the game that if either team got up by 10 it would be over. When Dallas fumbled the kick off deep in their end (1st qtr) and there were 4 Broncos around and on it and Dallas somehow recovered it was a turning point. If Denver had got that ball it would have been a different game, with Denver holding a 10 point lead after punching in from inside the Dallas 5.

I was never so proud of the Crush as that game...they kept it respectable, when it should have been a complete blow out.

KCbroncos
08-24-2006, 12:48 PM
A whole chapter dedicated towards Mr. Armstrong, whom he shared the backfield with most of his career. How many yards he feels Otis would have had if not for the injuries or being held back by Red Miller.

Views on who he feels were the nastiest players he went up against (Tatum, Sistrunk, Lambert). Some of the overrated and underrated/Gradishar players during his time.

What SB week was like especially with all the Orange Crush craze going on. Seemed like they centered the talked to much about and around Alzado that week.

g00fyfoot
08-24-2006, 01:20 PM
What did Paul Howard say to Mean Joe Greene (he visibly approached him) after Greene punched him in the stomach in the AFC Divisional (and didn't get caught)?

DomCasual
08-24-2006, 01:37 PM
I would have three questions:

What does he think of the Rob Lytle "fumble" in the playoff game against the Raiders? Did the team use the commentary about the play after the game as a rallying point leading up to the Super Bowl?

How would he rank the biggest wins from that season? You could argue that the first win at Oakland was every bit as important as the win in the AFC Championship game. When he thinks of that season, what stands out in his mind as the highest highs the team experienced?

And one more - although it isn't specifically about only the '77 season: Did the team generally know of Lyle Alzado's creative use of pharmaceuticals?

Atlas
08-24-2006, 02:42 PM
My question would be "What was the mood like on the Bronco team just before the season started? What was it like after the Broncos destroyed the World Champion Raiders in Oakland?

Is Randy Gradishar really God?

Atlas
08-24-2006, 02:46 PM
There were two losses that season... One in week seven, and one in week 14, the last week of the season.

The week seven loss was against the Oakland Raiders. The week 14 loss was against the eventual Superbowl champion Dallas Cowboys.

Which loss was a worse blow? Obviously, the team bounced back from both of them. I'd like to hear about how the team reacted to those losses, and what came out of them in hindsight that showed the heart of a Champion in the team.

That's an easy question. The Oakland loss hurt bad. They lost at Mile High and everyone in the Country thought the Broncos would fold after that game. The smart money was on the Faiders winning the division after that game.

The loss against the Cowboys was meaningless because they already had homefield wrapped up.

baja
08-24-2006, 02:49 PM
Red Miller and his personality seemed so very integral to the success ... what kind of coach was he, and why did he never coach again after Kaiser fired him three years later? Was he in "over his head" from a pure football standpoint as some have said?

What was the true extent of Glassic's illness before the Super Bowl, and just how much weight had he lost? (Some estimate 20 pounds in 3 weeks, but that seems unlikely). Was Glassic's condition the biggest reason Harvey Martin went wild?

Who wrote the silly lyrics to Jon's "Make Those Miracles Happen" ?

I'd like to know about Red Miller too did he have a drinking problem

I'd also like to know what was Joe Collier's coaching style was he a players coach.

Atlas
08-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Finally, does he think he fumbled in that controversial 77 AFC Championship game vs the Raiders?

Lytle is the one that fumbled not Keyworth and yes it was an obvious fumble.

Atlas
08-24-2006, 02:52 PM
Is he involved with the Broncos today? If not is he an avid fan of the team or just a casual observer. What was his reaction when the Broncos won SBXXXII?

gunns
08-24-2006, 03:35 PM
I'd first thank him for the 74 season. It was the first time watching the Broncos that I got a feel that we could really do something. He and Armstrong did some scoring. Then I'd want to know if the team really felt that Morton could lead the team, not just for that SB with his injuries but overall. I was not a fan of Morton's. Also who at that time was the player he most admired.

Atlas
08-24-2006, 03:43 PM
I'd first thank him for the 74 season. It was the first time watching the Broncos that I got a feel that we could really do something. He and Armstrong did some scoring. Then I'd want to know if the team really felt that Morton could lead the team, not just for that SB with his injuries but overall. I was not a fan of Morton's. Also who at that time was the player he most admired.
Morton was a huge upgrade over Steve Ramsey. Morton was a lot like Jake last year. Play within yourself and don't turn the ball over. Unlike Jake Morton would just take the sack if no one was open. He took serious beatings.

watermock
08-24-2006, 03:49 PM
Morton was absolutely nothing like Plummer.

Tredici
08-24-2006, 03:50 PM
He also wasn't a HUGE upgrade over Charlie Johnson.

Atlas
08-24-2006, 03:55 PM
He also wasn't a HUGE upgrade over Charlie Johnson.

I changed it already. He was a huge upgrade over Ramsey. Johnson wasn't even with the team in 1977.

Atlas
08-24-2006, 03:57 PM
Morton was absolutely nothing like Plummer.

Their game wasn't alike but they did both play conservative games and not make turnovers. That's all.

Tredici
08-24-2006, 05:15 PM
I changed it already. He was a huge upgrade over Ramsey. Johnson was even with the team in 1977.

Oh good. I thought if Hogan sees that diss on Charley, Atlas is in BIG trouble.
:D

Ramsey. Actually a rock might've been an upgrade over Ramsey...

Malcontent
08-24-2006, 10:45 PM
Jon,
What was Mile High Stadium like in those early days of Broncomania? And if you've been back to the new Mile High are there any noticeable differences as far as fan noise, enthusiasm, and general craziness?

gunns
08-24-2006, 11:46 PM
Morton was a huge upgrade over Steve Ramsey. Morton was a lot like Jake last year. Play within yourself and don't turn the ball over. Unlike Jake Morton would just take the sack if no one was open. He took serious beatings.

To me it was like saying Brooks is a huge upgrade over Collins. The first two years he was in Denver I'll give him that he didn't turn the ball over as much as he usually had or would but he also only hit his target about 1/2 the time. If not for Denver's defense we would have never even sniffed the playoffs or the SB.

Atlas
08-25-2006, 12:08 AM
To me it was like saying Brooks is a huge upgrade over Collins. The first two years he was in Denver I'll give him that he didn't turn the ball over as much as he usually had or would but he also only hit his target about 1/2 the time. If not for Denver's defense we would have never even sniffed the playoffs or the SB.

Ramsey was horrible Morton was a good QB. In fact in 1977 he went to the Probowl and was the second QB behind Bob Griese.

I think your hatred for him has clouded your memory. Craig Morton was voted UPI comeback player of the year IN 1977.

SoCals link: http://www.databasefootball.com/awards/award.htm?a=UPIAFMVP
UPI AFL-AFC MVP Winners
1982 Dan Fouts
1981 Ken Anderson
1980 Brian Sipe
1979 Dan Fouts
1978 Earl Campbell
1977 Craig Morton
1976 Bert Jones
1975 O.j. Simpson
1974 Ken Stabler
1973 O.j. Simpson
1972 O.j. Simpson
1971 Otis Taylor
1970 George Blanda
1969 Daryle Lamonica
1968 Joe Namath
1967 Daryle Lamonica
1966 Jim Nance
1965 Paul Lowe
1964 Gino Cappelletti
1963 Lance Alworth
1962 Cookie Gilchrist
1961 George Blanda
1960 Abner Haynes

NFL Comeback Player of the Year Winners
SoCals link: http://www.databasefootball.com/awards/award.htm?a=COMEBACK

2005 Steve Smith
Tedy Bruschi
2004 Drew Brees
2003 Jon Kitna
2002 Tommy Maddox
2001 Garrison Hearst
2000 Joe Johnson
1999 Bryant Young
1998 Doug Flutie
1997 Robert Brooks
1996 Jerome Bettis
1995 Jim Harbaugh
1994 Dan Marino
1993 Marcus Allen
1992 Randall Cunningham
1991 Jim Mcmahon
1990 Barry Word
1989 Ottis Anderson
1988 Greg Bell
1987 Charles White
1986 Joe Montana
Tommy Kramer
1984 John Stallworth
1983 Billy Johnson
1982 Lyle Alzado
1981 Ken Anderson
1980 Jim Plunkett
1979 Larry Csonka
1978 John Riggins
1977 Craig Morton
1976 Greg Landry
1975 Dave Hampton
1974 Joe Namath
1973 Roman Gabriel
1972 Earl Morrall

gunns
08-25-2006, 07:46 AM
Ramsey was horrible Morton was a good QB. In fact in 1977 he went to the Probowl and was the second QB behind Bob Griese.

I think your hatred for him has clouded your memory. Craig Morton was voted UPI comeback player of the year IN 1977.

SoCals link: http://www.databasefootball.com/awards/award.htm?a=UPIAFMVP
UPI AFL-AFC MVP Winners
1982 Dan Fouts
1981 Ken Anderson
1980 Brian Sipe
1979 Dan Fouts
1978 Earl Campbell
1977 Craig Morton
1976 Bert Jones
1975 O.j. Simpson
1974 Ken Stabler
1973 O.j. Simpson
1972 O.j. Simpson
1971 Otis Taylor
1970 George Blanda
1969 Daryle Lamonica
1968 Joe Namath
1967 Daryle Lamonica
1966 Jim Nance
1965 Paul Lowe
1964 Gino Cappelletti
1963 Lance Alworth
1962 Cookie Gilchrist
1961 George Blanda
1960 Abner Haynes

NFL Comeback Player of the Year Winners
SoCals link: http://www.databasefootball.com/awards/award.htm?a=COMEBACK

2005 Steve Smith
Tedy Bruschi
2004 Drew Brees
2003 Jon Kitna
2002 Tommy Maddox
2001 Garrison Hearst
2000 Joe Johnson
1999 Bryant Young
1998 Doug Flutie
1997 Robert Brooks
1996 Jerome Bettis
1995 Jim Harbaugh
1994 Dan Marino
1993 Marcus Allen
1992 Randall Cunningham
1991 Jim Mcmahon
1990 Barry Word
1989 Ottis Anderson
1988 Greg Bell
1987 Charles White
1986 Joe Montana
Tommy Kramer
1984 John Stallworth
1983 Billy Johnson
1982 Lyle Alzado
1981 Ken Anderson
1980 Jim Plunkett
1979 Larry Csonka
1978 John Riggins
1977 Craig Morton
1976 Greg Landry
1975 Dave Hampton
1974 Joe Namath
1973 Roman Gabriel
1972 Earl Morrall

No I didn't like the pickup because he hadn't done much in NY or Dallas. As I said I'll give him the first two years in Denver, slightly, as he did curb his turnovers, but he also only made about 1/2 his passes. IMO, any improvement by him would have made him the comeback player. The standards were different back then, but my standards back then were as high as they are today for the Broncos and those standards weren't met until 1983. Now THAT I thought was an absolute miracle.

Smiling Assassin27
08-25-2006, 09:10 AM
What players from that team does he consider Hall Of Fame material?

SteveTensi13
08-25-2006, 10:07 AM
The original #7.

Bronco_Beerslug
08-25-2006, 10:50 AM
The original #7.

No, this is............



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Atlas
08-25-2006, 03:50 PM
No I didn't like the pickup because he hadn't done much in NY or Dallas.

He led Dallas to the Superbowl in 1970 and the only reason he left Dallas was because of some guy named Staubach. I'll give you that he didn't do anything in NY but NY was horrible and Morton was just getting creamed.

Morton wasn't a great QB but I find that people really do under rate him. He was a good QB that had some flaws. Get some games of the 1981 season and watch Morton play. He was as old as dirt that year but yet he led the suprise Broncos to a 10-6 record and had a QB rating of over 90.

bombay
08-25-2006, 05:07 PM
I wonder what the local hang outs were for the players in those days? Alzado had a bar called Desperado on the back side of the old Sears at Cherry Creek (the mall wasn't there yet). I think maybe the old Colorado Mining Company in Glendale might have been one, too.

Atlas
08-25-2006, 05:10 PM
I wonder what the local hang outs were for the players in those days? Alzado had a bar called Desperado on the back side of the old Sears at Cherry Creek (the mall wasn't there yet). I think maybe the old Colorado Mining Company in Glendale might have been one, too.

Of course any book about the '77 team should be an honest depiction of all the players. We want some dirt and not for it all to be sugar coated. Keyworth knows a lot of stuff about Alzado and everybody else. If he wants to sell copies on a national level he needs to come clean with everything.

UKBronco
08-25-2006, 06:09 PM
Question 1: Did you witness at any stage in your career the use of either performance enhancing, or recreational drugs on a level which you believe was improper; either now or at the time. We're you ever offered any etc..... basically, what was the acceptance level, if any, of drugs at the time.

Question 2: I think i over stretched my capabilities there and i haven't actually got a second question.

Can i get a personaly signed copy delivered over 'ere?

Actually that was a question, but i don't think it will make it into the book right? :~ohyah!:

Atlas
08-25-2006, 06:26 PM
Question 1: Did you witness at any stage in your career the use of either performance enhancing, or recreational drugs on a level which you believe was improper; either now or at the time. We're you ever offered any etc..... basically, what was the acceptance level, if any, of drugs at the time.

Question 2: I think i over stretched my capabilities there and i haven't actually got a second question.

Can i get a personaly signed copy delivered over 'ere?

Actually that was a question, but i don't think it will make it into the book right? :~ohyah!:

One of the former raiders said they used to have a giant bowl in the lockerroom filled with speed act.... Also they had refreshments on tables with signs that read Leaded and Unleaded. It was just different back then. I'm sure many Broncos were doing that stuff.

Atlas
08-25-2006, 06:27 PM
When the book comes on sale maybe we can buy it through the orangemane. With $5 of the proceeds going to TJ

Stuck In Texas
08-25-2006, 09:40 PM
I would like to know his opinion of why the "Orange Crush", especially Gradishar, is ignored by the Hall of Fame. There was a huge outcry to get Harry Carson in, and he was a good LB, but IMHO Gradishar was better.

Bronco_Beerslug
08-25-2006, 10:54 PM
I would like to know his opinion of why the "Orange Crush", especially Gradishar, is ignored by the Hall of Fame. There was a huge outcry to get Harry Carson in, and he was a good LB, but IMHO Gradishar was better.Carson was a damn good LB, Gradishar was better but a big part of the blame lies on the Bronco organization for Bronco players not getting the recognition they deserve.

Atlas
08-25-2006, 11:14 PM
Carson was a damn good LB, Gradishar was better but a big part of the blame lies on the Bronco organization for Bronco players not getting the recognition they deserve.

The main problem is all Gradishar's fault. He only played 10 years in the league. I would love to know why he quit playing so early. I mean he went to the probowl his last year he had a good 3 to 4 years left. If he would have played to 1986 and been on that SB team he would be in the HOF right now.

Stuck In Texas
08-26-2006, 12:06 AM
I agree that Denver players don't get the recognition they deserve and there are several factors for that, but the man averaged 200 tackles per year. The argument has been that those stats are unreliable because the team tracked them, but he was absolutely dominant. It seemed like he and Lambert were the MLBs that the rest were judged against.

Raidersbane
08-27-2006, 08:38 PM
The Kenworth was a load running the ball. I loved the guy even during his CU days........my question to him would be "What was the one thing or person that deserves the most credit in changing the team from a never been to the playoffs doormat to perrenial contender back in the 70's?........

The Moops
08-28-2006, 09:35 AM
I think part of the blame for guys like Gradishar and Floyd Little (and others) not being in the HOF are the sports writers who were supposed to argue their cases back then (Probably Woody Paige and Adam Schefter). I hear new HOF writer, Jeff Legwold, is trying his best to get deserving Broncos in the Hall... but according to an article by Boulder Camera writer, Ryan Thorburn, last year about Little, he says the past HOF writers representing Denver didn't do a good enough job arguing their cases . . .

"I spoke with some Hall of Fame voters this week and they said the reason Little did not get in was because he didn't have a strong enough advocate (local voter) to argue his case when it was time for the writers to cast their ballots. The only way No. 44 will be selected now is by the Hall of Fame's senior committee"

broncosteven
08-28-2006, 04:58 PM
How did it feel to win the division for the 1st time

How did having to rotate QB's affect the huddle & the mind set of the offense. Was the Offense used to it by the Super Bowl, was Weese a QB the team rallyed around or felt like they had to press harder for to make a play when he was in? What was the over all mind set of the players when Norris Weese came onto the field? Morton seemed to make things happen, Weese to a kid of 11 seemed to be a coaches favorite, a guy that a coach thought he could get to make a few plays with a game. just my observation from 30 years back...

broncosteven
08-28-2006, 04:59 PM
BTW I read a great book about Floyd Little called Tales from the Broncos Side line. You all should get that while you are waiting for this one. It is on Amazon.com.

Atlas
08-28-2006, 05:21 PM
How did it feel to win the division for the 1st time

How did having to rotate QB's affect the huddle & the mind set of the offense. Was the Offense used to it by the Super Bowl, was Weese a QB the team rallyed around or felt like they had to press harder for to make a play when he was in? What was the over all mind set of the players when Norris Weese came onto the field? Morton seemed to make things happen, Weese to a kid of 11 seemed to be a coaches favorite, a guy that a coach thought he could get to make a few plays with a game. just my observation from 30 years back...

good questions

Atlas
08-28-2006, 05:22 PM
BTW I read a great book about Floyd Little called Tales from the Broncos Side line. You all should get that while you are waiting for this one. It is on Amazon.com.

was there anything that was shocking about it?

broncosteven
08-28-2006, 05:42 PM
was there anything that was shocking about it?

Ahhh... no. But it was a fun book about my boyhood idol. Without Floyd I would not have become a Broncos fan. He sparked it all.

broncosteven
08-28-2006, 05:44 PM
good questions

Coming from you (& Kyla) that means a lot!

Atlas
08-28-2006, 08:12 PM
Ahhh... no. But it was a fun book about my boyhood idol. Without Floyd I would not have become a Broncos fan. He sparked it all.

you old fugger LOL

broncosteven
08-28-2006, 09:30 PM
you old fugger LOL

I am looking at my 1975 Bronco Buck from the 1st of Denver Bank with the season schedule on it right now re-living days of wine & roses, or at least Kool aid & Steve Austin 6 Million Dollar man Action Figures...

milehimike
08-29-2006, 11:51 AM
[QUOTE=Hotrod;1239976]What does he think the players on that team would think of the likes of TO, Moss, Assy Lelie etc...[/QMost of them would say get rid of the p*ssies. Lets just play football!!!!

milehimike
08-29-2006, 12:15 PM
It was the year I moved to Denver. The thing about the Broncos and the fans I remember the most, was the Orange Crush mantra. The wave of that mantra swept me up and that is when I became a true Broncoholic,like I am now. I t was a great atmosphere to get caught up in, and I wes glad to get caught up in it.

broncocalijohn
08-31-2006, 02:30 AM
That was my question. Where was he on the Lytle fumble? What was the on field reaction. But also, the broncos were robbed by a bad call that allowed the Faide to score shortly before the fumble. What was the reaction on the sideline to that call?

Also, my recollection is that the Runningback by committee was really necessitated by Armstrong getting a bum knee and really not being all that he'd been.

I also seem to recall the broncos partied a bit too hard prior to the superbowl.
they interviewed Madden on that game and he said he doesnt know about the fumble but the Broncos out played them so bad that he basically said the best team won. Good to hear it from a faider.

Atlas
08-31-2006, 02:37 AM
they interviewed Madden on that game and he said he doesnt know about the fumble but the Broncos out played them so bad that he basically said the best team won. Good to hear it from a faider.

It was a fumble you can clearly see it on the replay. It was falling out while Lytle was still in the air.

broncosteven
09-06-2006, 09:25 PM
To this day I still thought it was a fumble but I was living in coldwater Michigan then & my dog was found dead before kick off so I was not all there for most of the game but saw the fumble. Glad that went our way.Cowgirls would have crushed butt-pirates in out place if they go in stead of Broncos.

Bronx33
09-20-2006, 03:08 PM
What was it like to play with lyle alzado some inside info on his on field antics specifically vs the raiders would be cool.

Bronx33
09-20-2006, 03:13 PM
Fans who grew up during the Elway years can't relate to the experience of going for years thinking you'd never even have a winning season and then suddenly all at once, you're in the Super Bowl...the dream come true. The emotions of losing that game are something I'll never forget. It was such a huge buildup in Denver that year. Everything was painted orange, including people. I was 19...and when they lost the Super Bowl, the emotional fall was so fast and so far...I cried like a baby.

Years later...I finally felt the other side of that roller coaster...a high I've never had in sports before or since...when they finally won it all against the Packers.

How did the players deal with the dissapointment of losing? Why was Red Miller such a quick exit after the meteoric rise...and what became of him? Is he still alive? What's he doing today and is he a Denver fan?


Exactly what i was thinking i was about 12 years old.

Hulamau
10-05-2006, 08:29 PM
I don't know if he'd be interested in questions from a Chiefs fan, but I'd like to know what the Broncos-Chiefs rivalry was like back then.

KC was a big time rivlary, second only to Oakland. Now its the other way around simply because KC is considerably better than Chokeland these days:-)

Bronx33
10-06-2006, 08:11 AM
Lots of pictures so cheaps fans can read it.