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DenverBrit
08-23-2006, 08:31 PM
Didn't see this story elsewhere, so here it is. ;D


Looking at Lelie-Duckett deal from all angles


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


(Aug. 23, 2006) -- Three-team trades usually are as rare as they are complex. But the Atlanta Falcons, Denver Broncos and Washington Redskins cooked up a three-way deal with ramifications that rippled through each roster.

The Falcons get Ashley Lelie, the wideout they considered taking with the No. 18 pick in the 2002 draft, only to have then-head coach Dan Reeves opt for Michigan State running back T.J. Duckett instead.

The Broncos get, in all probability, a third- and fourth-round pick for a player they could not get a fourth-round pick this offseason from their favorite trading partner, the Redskins, who will have supplied Denver with a first-day pick in each of the past three drafts.

The Redskins get Duckett, a bruising running back who provides insurance against Clinton Portis' shoulder injury and Ladell Betts' hamstring strain.

And one of the most complicated three-team preseason trades in recent history now is complete, though its fallout will just now begin to be assessed.

LELIE'S BILL COMES DUE
Back in 2002, Reeves wanted to draft Lelie. Yet what kept gnawing at him, and others within Atlanta's organization, was Lelie's offseason hamstring injury. The Falcons were concerned it would be a lingering issue. It never was, but the Falcons selected Duckett, only to see Lelie go to the Denver Broncos on the very next pick, No. 19.


Few people have ever doubted Ashley Lelie's athleticism, but many have questioned his intangibles.
Whereas it once opted for a running back over a wide receiver, Atlanta now has run a reverse, opting for a wide receiver over a running back. The Falcons had been searching for one ever since they lost Brian Finneran in the opening week of camp to a season-ending knee injury.

Lelie has led the league in yards per catch in each of the past two seasons, making acrobatic catches seem routine. Yet some around the league have continually questioned his toughness. One head coach who had opposed Lelie in recent seasons, whose team had debated trading for the wide receiver during the offseason, called the wide receiver "soft." Others echoed a similar phrase.

But Atlanta needed a receiver who can make the types of plays Lelie can. In the Falcons offense, Lelie has a chance to become the most dominant receiver in it. However, he might not be there long.

Lelie's contract is scheduled to expire after this season and the Falcons have not had any contract talks with Lelie or his agent, Peter Schaffer, who helped mastermind the rare three-team trade.

Lelie can walk away from Atlanta after this season and he will be looking to cash in. He has to. For staying away from the Broncos minicamp and training camp, Lelie racked up close to $400,000 in fines -- $11,000 for missing minicamp, $14,000 a day for training camp.

Plus, Lelie could be obligated to return about one-third of his $3.3 million signing bonus to the Broncos. Factoring those numbers with the $600,000 in base salary Lelie is scheduled to make this season means that playing football this year actually could cost Lelie hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe even as much as a million.

And count on this: Denver is going to pursue the money as hard as it pursued a trade for Lelie. It has to. If it doesn't, it sends a message to other players that they can make the choice of holding out without paying the consequences.

TRADING PARTNERS
In the days leading up to the draft, and then again on draft day, the Broncos repeatedly shopped Lelie, hoping to trade him to the highest bidder. Only there were none.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers debated giving up a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but never offered it.

The Houston Texans, with former Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in charge, considered dealing a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but also never offered it.

Denver got zero -- zero! -- offers for Lelie.

Yet somehow it managed to transform no offers into a deal that looks like it will involve Washington's third-round pick in 2007 and the Redskins' fourth-round pick in 2008. Those are the most likely terms of the deal, but the exact terms will not be determined until after this season.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

However it works out, the Broncos once again look as if they will have a first-day pick from the Redskins for the third consecutive year.

Two years ago, Denver acquired Washington's second-round pick in the Champ Bailey-for-Clinton Portis deal, and used it to select running back Tatum Bell.

The next year, Denver traded its 2005 first-round choice to Washington for the Redskins' 2006 first-round choice; Washington picked Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell in 2005 while Denver parlayed the Redskins pick into a trade-up for Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler.

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BroncoBuff
08-23-2006, 08:39 PM
What a great article ... beats heck outta Burger Bill.

elsid13
08-23-2006, 08:41 PM
Only thing missing was a restaurant review

Kaylore
08-23-2006, 08:43 PM
The Broncos get, in all probability, a third- and fourth-round pick for a player they could not get a fourth-round pick this offseason from their favorite trading partner, the Redskins, who will have supplied Denver with a first-day pick in each of the past three drafts.
There. Read that, Skin fans? We fleeced you again!:giggle:

He would have been cut at season's end anyway. The best we were hoping for was a fourth and that wasn't even considered an option. I've decided that Dan Snyder doesn't even know what a draft pick is other than a sort of gimmicky thing you can use on other teams.

Clockwork Orange
08-23-2006, 08:49 PM
There. Read that, Skin fans? We fleeced you again!:giggle:

He would have been cut at season's end anyway. The best we were hoping for was a fourth and that wasn't even considered an option. I've decided that Dan Snyder doesn't even know what a draft pick is other than a sort of gimmicky thing you can use on other teams.

They didn't give up a 3rd & 4th (likely) for Lelie, they gave that up for TJ Duckett.

Now that I think about it, wow. A 3rd & 4th or possibly a swap of 1st rounders for a backup RB. Yikes.

BroncoBuff
08-23-2006, 09:06 PM
There. Read that, Skin fans? We fleeced you again!:giggle:


Can I help you enjoy that trade?


Happy Broncos roar ... for another first-day Redskins pick ....

.... and waterfalls of ca-a-ra-mel ...

Prancing Portis hurt his shoulder ... while Champ and Tatum win the West here ...

Next? ... The Wooooooorld.






The WORLD!

scorpio
08-23-2006, 09:15 PM
Can I help you enjoy that trade?


Happy Broncos roar ... for another first-day Redskins pick ....

.... and waterfalls of ca-a-ra-mel ...

Prancing Portis hurt his shoulder ... while Champ and Tatum win the West here ...

Next? ... The Wooooooorld.






The WORLD!

What is that, a Polish Haiku?







;)

elsid13
08-23-2006, 09:24 PM
What is that, a Polish Haiku?







;)


As a Pole I am offend. If it was Polish Haiku it would involved the beauty of our women, Vodka and killing Russians. It is definitely and NW Granola bar eating, tree hugging Seattle attempt at humor

loborugger
08-23-2006, 09:57 PM
There. Read that, Skin fans? We fleeced you again!:giggle:

He would have been cut at season's end anyway. The best we were hoping for was a fourth and that wasn't even considered an option. I've decided that Dan Snyder doesn't even know what a draft pick is other than a sort of gimmicky thing you can use on other teams.

NO DOUBT!!! A 3rd and 4th for that stiff? Man o man, did we make out! Gotta love those Skins.

scorpio
08-23-2006, 10:03 PM
As a Pole I am offend. If it was Polish Haiku it would involved the beauty of our women, Vodka and killing Russians. It is definitely and NW Granola bar eating, tree hugging Seattle attempt at humor

you're right, I actually am quite fond of Poles (especially the women). It just seemed the appropriate cultural slur at the time.

ludo21
08-23-2006, 11:42 PM
They didn't give up a 3rd & 4th (likely) for Lelie, they gave that up for TJ Duckett.

Now that I think about it, wow. A 3rd & 4th or possibly a swap of 1st rounders for a backup RB. Yikes.


wow, that is true. I never thought of it that way at all... :rofl:

ouchers..

BroncoBuff
08-23-2006, 11:44 PM
What is that, a Polish Haiku?
NOT a haiku, and not Polish ... it's the Snickers commercial song.

The guy asks "can I help you enjoy that Snickers?"
Then he picks up a guitar and sings:Happy peanuts soar over chocolate-covered mountain-tops
and waterfalls of caramel ...
Prancing peanuts in the meadow sing a song of satisfaction ...
Tooooo ... the ... woooorld.
Then the easily impressed Snickers eater repeats "the WORLD!"

Vegas_Bronco
08-23-2006, 11:49 PM
So Lelie enters a contract year - earning a base salary of $600,000 (paying $1.1 million back to Denver) just to be a 3rd string WR? The amazing odds just keep adding up - Atlanta DOES NOT EVER pass the ball - they run or have the ninetendo Vick take off. Furthermore, we all know Alge Crumpler is Vick's #1, primo, target in the red zone which will further hurt Lelie's stats as he is not only the 3rd WR - he will be the 4th look!!! Ash got roasted and the best he can hope for is an early injury so someone gives him a second chance in free agency. On the turf in Atlanta he'll have plenty of chances, my only gripe - to bad we don't play those fools this year!

TheChamp247
08-24-2006, 12:28 AM
I really want to know what kind of stuff Shanny has on Snyder. with the last 3 drafts its almost like blackmail. either that or shanny really know how to word things really complicated so they just nod their head and smile

watermock
08-24-2006, 04:23 AM
This was taking your bag of returnable cans worth 5 cents each and getting 50 because Snyder missed the decimal point. Great Businessman indeed.

Northman
08-24-2006, 04:26 AM
There. Read that, Skin fans? We fleeced you again!:giggle:

He would have been cut at season's end anyway. The best we were hoping for was a fourth and that wasn't even considered an option. I've decided that Dan Snyder doesn't even know what a draft pick is other than a sort of gimmicky thing you can use on other teams.


On the talk radio out here they were even blasting Snyder for doing that. They were making jokes like " I guess Dan doesnt like Drafting " and stuff like that. Pretty humorous to say the least.

watermock
08-24-2006, 05:09 AM
There are only two teams more decrepidly older than Washington...Kansas City and Oakland. Oakland has some young...um...busts tho.

My chart shows Randy Moss at 25.

LordHelmchen
08-24-2006, 05:21 AM
As a Pole I am offend. If it was Polish Haiku it would involved the beauty of our women, Vodka and killing Russians. It is definitely and NW Granola bar eating, tree hugging Seattle attempt at humor
as a German I'm offended.. there should killing Germans in it as well. 18 days, 18 days... ;)

Well, I think we should pick @ 32 and the Skins pick @ 21 ;D

Jesterhole
08-24-2006, 07:06 AM
NOT a haiku, and not Polish ... it's the Snickers commercial song.

The guy asks "can I help you enjoy that Snickers?"
Then he picks up a guitar and sings:Happy peanuts soar over chocolate-covered mountain-tops
and waterfalls of caramel ...
Prancing peanuts in the meadow sing a song of satisfaction ...
Tooooo ... the ... woooorld.
Then the easily impressed Snickers eater repeats "the WORLD!"


Awesome commercial. I laughed my ass off. I still do. Thought your post was funny too.

BroncoBuff
08-24-2006, 09:22 AM
Awesome commercial. I laughed my ass off. I still do. Thought your post was funny too.
Thanks, man ... that makes TWO of us! :welcome:




Pretty silly ... but that song is kind of nice actually, not the usual irritating commercial ditty ... I was hearing it as I read Khan's post - and the moment just got to me (no candy though).

SportinOne
08-24-2006, 09:25 AM
Can I help you enjoy that trade?


Happy Broncos roar ... for another first-day Redskins pick ....

.... and waterfalls of ca-a-ra-mel ...

Prancing Portis hurt his shoulder ... while Champ and Tatum win the West here ...

Next? ... The Wooooooorld.






The WORLD!


I believe there was also some talk of nuget as well. or maybe that was just me thinking about the nuget. Anyway, i love the commercial as well.

BroncoInferno
08-24-2006, 09:34 AM
TRADING PARTNERS
In the days leading up to the draft, and then again on draft day, the Broncos repeatedly shopped Lelie, hoping to trade him to the highest bidder. Only there were none.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers debated giving up a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but never offered it.

The Houston Texans, with former Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in charge, considered dealing a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but also never offered it.

Denver got zero -- zero! -- offers for Lelie.

Read that last line closely, Taco. The talk of us having turned down a 3rd from Philly is obviously bunk.

Rock Chalk
08-24-2006, 09:43 AM
NOT a haiku, and not Polish ... it's the Snickers commercial song.

The guy asks "can I help you enjoy that Snickers?"
Then he picks up a guitar and sings:Happy peanuts soar over chocolate-covered mountain-tops
and waterfalls of caramel ...
Prancing peanuts in the meadow sing a song of satisfaction ...
Tooooo ... the ... woooorld.
Then the easily impressed Snickers eater repeats "the WORLD!"
I love that commercial, butonly because Snickers is the best candy bar in the world.

KipCorrington25
08-24-2006, 10:34 AM
Jason Campbell looks terrible too which also makes me kind of chuckle.

DeusExManning
08-24-2006, 12:43 PM
Can I help you enjoy that trade?


Happy Broncos roar ... for another first-day Redskins pick ....

.... and waterfalls of ca-a-ra-mel ...

Prancing Portis hurt his shoulder ... while Champ and Tatum win the West here ...

Next? ... The Wooooooorld.






The WORLD!

LOL Snickers commercial!!!

elsid13
08-24-2006, 04:54 PM
as a German I'm offended.. there should killing Germans in it as well. 18 days, 18 days... ;)

Well, I think we should pick @ 32 and the Skins pick @ 21 ;D


It was happy haiku - the old saying is we kill Germans because we have to, we kill Russian for fun *


* please note that really is a culture saying