LELIE TO FALCONS! Broncos get undisclosed draft pick.

[El Guapo]

Breaking News on ESPNews!

[Broncos4Life]

U fkn kidding man?

[Los Broncos]

We are only getting a pick? We need some DL help.

[RhymesayersDU]

We should have traded him to the Crush for Nash. But I guess we can't always rape the 'Skins.

[Broncos4Life]

I knew he was going there!
But for a draft pick? Like Lynch Mob said we need help on the D line.

[MileHighMagic]

It better be a 3rd at least.

[El Guapo]

it was a three way trade.. TJ Duckett also went to the Redskins. Im trying to find a link. its the truth though.

[MechanicalBull]

Skins get Duckett too

[Garcia Bronco]

HAHAHAHA~~~

The offseason should be known as the Deal

[Kaylore]

WSH get Duckett, Falcons get Lelie...

[Hogan11]

Good riddance

[RhymesayersDU]

Oh, if we're getting a pick from the 'Skins, it's a high first. You know how they roll.

[Kaylore]

Good riddance
Seriously. Now we can put this thing to rest. Finally no more stupid trade rumors for stupid players with stupid teams. :approve:

[Garcia Bronco]

Goodbye you rainbow piece of ****.

[worm]

Good. It is over.

I bet you that Shanny didn't blink first.

[watermock]

If it's a 3 way trade we might of snookered our old friends in Washington. I'm very happy with a pick. Now we have flexibility people, jeeze...THINK...we can still trade the pick for a DL! but now we can negotiate with 31 teams freely, not just teams that hopefully had something we wanted and wern't scared of Ms. Lilly.

Our options just went up 31 fold. Atlanta was where Ms. Lilly should of gone on draft day. Reeves was an idiot with that pick. He might still be coaching there if he had made the logical choice, and we might of drafted Ed Reed.

[MechanicalBull]

HAHAHAHA~~~

The offseason should be known as the Deal

LOL Now maybe this is the end of all of the Lelie threads.

[clean]

"Filling their need for a No. 3 wide receiver, the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday night acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos veteran Ashley Lelie in a three-team trade, ESPN.com has learned.

The Falcons sent former first-round tailback T.J. Duckett to the Washington Redskins and the Broncos will receive an undisclosed draft choice in the deal. The Falcons have been shopping Duckett in trade talks much of the offseason.

The team's need for a No. 3 wideout was heightened when veteran Brian Finneran suffered a season-ending knee injury early in training camp. Denver has been attempting to find a trade partner for Lelie, who did not participate in any offseason drills and had not reported to training camp."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2558101

[Kaylore]

Goodbye you rainbow piece of ****.
Rep.

Looks like we get a third.

[Pezman]

Good lord, can I call it now... this is the LAST Lelie trade I ever want to see! So long coconut hands!

[MechanicalBull]

Espnnews just said rumored 3rd rd pick.

[El Guapo]

its on ESPNews now!

[Ray Finkle]

anyone find this ironic? He goes to a team where the QB doesn't throw the deep ball? Check this statement out from ESPN:

The team's need for a No. 3 wideout was heightened when veteran Brian Finneran suffered a season-ending knee injury early in training camp.

[Lestat]

a friggin 3rd? that's all for all the drama he caused?

aw well he's still gonna be a 3rd WR

[Pezman]

Ok, I want NEG REP FOR THIS (if it happens)

What if Lelie fails his physical? DOH! Ok, feel free to smack me around for even thinking that Ha!

[El Guapo]

Lelie went to the worst place ever!!! ROFL! do you really think he's going to get a ton of passes thrown his way from vick?!

[BlaK-Argentina]

Meh... I liked him... too bad he acted like a child all this time.

I wish him the best.

Finally this whole thing is over!

What do you guys think the pick was? A 2nd? 3rd?

[R8R H8R]

Pasquarelli is on ESPN and thinks it's a 3rd from Washington. This is probably the best we could do under the circumstances. :thumbsup:

[Garcia Bronco]

My sources are telling me it's 4th, but it could be a 3rd

[youcandoit1687]

a third!? wtf ugh if its the redskins it should be a 2nd. so we get somehwere in the 80s or 90s nuh uh. im not happy with that.

it better come out as a second or the skins better finish dead last


what does this say about portis tho? HUGE fantasy drop right there

[Kaylore]

a friggin 3rd? that's all for all the drama he caused?

aw well he's still gonna be a 3rd WR Are you kidding? If a guy like Javon commands a second rond pick, Lelie wouldn't normally fetch a fourth at most. The Falcons are desperate.

[MechanicalBull]

anyone find this ironic? He goes to a team where the QB doesn't throw the deep ball? Check this statement out from ESPN:

The team's need for a No. 3 wideout was heightened when veteran Brian Finneran suffered a season-ending knee injury early in training camp.

I was just going to say that. He is going to a team where the QB doesn't throw the ball to his receivers and they are saying he will be #3 for now. So if you add in Alge Crumpler that makes Lelie #4. Have Fun in ATL. Lelie :welcome:

[Garcia Bronco]

anyone find this ironic? He goes to a team where the QB doesn't throw the deep ball? Check this statement out from ESPN:

The team's need for a No. 3 wideout was heightened when veteran Brian Finneran suffered a season-ending knee injury early in training camp.


LMAO!!~!!

[youcandoit1687]

BS. a third from washington will likely be in the 80s, a fouth! now youre Fing talking 110 120. thats Fing ridiculous.

im in a pissy mood right now

[Rock Chalk]

3rd round pick?

Didnt we already pass on a 3rd round pick for that prick? I mean, we could have got the pick in the draft and used it immediately on a good up and coming rookie, now we have to wait till next year and in the meantime we get ****?

Worst deal ever. I mean, Im glad we got a pick and all, but we could have did this **** in April and been teaching a new rookie DL the system. This does nothign for us this year I suspect. Unless we deal that pick in some sort of trade with someone else but, what the hell. Seems we could have skipped out on all this drama.

[Los Broncos]

Well thank god its true, now we can move forward without this cry baby. A 3rd is good, get some DL help and we are on our way to the super bowl!

[Hogan11]

Seriously. Now we can put this thing to rest. Finally no more stupid trade rumors for stupid players with stupid teams. :approve:

Yup, now we can get ready for the next big Board circus....roster trimming.

[plummershelper]

Lelie will be the Falcons' No. 3 wide receiver behind Michael Jenkins and Roddy White. Coach Jim Mora has said it would be made clear that any receiver the team acquired would not leapfrog White and Jenkins and that disruption over the pecking order would not be tolerated.

With Lelie being in the last year of his contract, that not might put him in the most advantageous situation to put up big numbers to increase his appeal. However, he is getting the chance to play, which probably was not going to be the case in Denver because of the acrimony between Lelie and the team.

Having been a starter, Lelie also could be able to move into a starting role should White or Jenkins get hurt.

Atlanta has been trying to find someone to be the No. 3 wide receiver since veteran Brian Finneran tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee early in training camp. Jerome Pathon had been promoted to the third-wideout, but the coaching and personnel staffs felt they had to move in another direction after the loss to Green Bay.

Lelie would be used differently than Finneran in three receiver sets. Finneran was a mid-range target. Lelie would be used more to stretch the defense, while Jenkins would probably operate more in a possession receiver role, Mora said.

"Mike Jenkins would be the logical guy to play the slot because of his size and he's good getting off the jam and he catches the ball well inside," Mora said Monday.


Excellent!! Lelie's gone and he's still a #3. Nice! I'm sure he'll move up, but this has to piss him off a bit.

[Garcia Bronco]

And gay ass ESPiN has poker on...TV poker sucks.

[orinjkrush]

a third? blah. maybe there's some kinda incentive built in if he plays well? dam* wish we could got at least a second.

wish the best for him. he needs a strong arm somewhere.

[Garcia Bronco]

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Lelie will be the Falcons' No. 3 wide receiver behind Michael Jenkins and Roddy White. Coach Jim Mora has said it would be made clear that any receiver the team acquired would not leapfrog White and Jenkins and that disruption over the pecking order would not be tolerated.

With Lelie being in the last year of his contract, that not might put him in the most advantageous situation to put up big numbers to increase his appeal. However, he is getting the chance to play, which probably was not going to be the case in Denver because of the acrimony between Lelie and the team.

Having been a starter, Lelie also could be able to move into a starting role should White or Jenkins get hurt.

Atlanta has been trying to find someone to be the No. 3 wide receiver since veteran Brian Finneran tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee early in training camp. Jerome Pathon had been promoted to the third-wideout, but the coaching and personnel staffs felt they had to move in another direction after the loss to Green Bay.

Lelie would be used differently than Finneran in three receiver sets. Finneran was a mid-range target. Lelie would be used more to stretch the defense, while Jenkins would probably operate more in a possession receiver role, Mora said.

"Mike Jenkins would be the logical guy to play the slot because of his size and he's good getting off the jam and he catches the ball well inside," Mora said Monday.
"


LMAO...eat a dick Lily

[orinjkrush]

a third? blah. maybe there's some kinda incentive built in if he plays well? dam* wish we could got at least a second.

wish the best for him. he needs a strong arm somewhere.

[Garcia Bronco]

"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lelie will be the Falcons' No. 3 wide receiver behind Michael Jenkins and Roddy White. Coach Jim Mora has said it would be made clear that any receiver the team acquired would not leapfrog White and Jenkins and that disruption over the pecking order would not be tolerated.

With Lelie being in the last year of his contract, that not might put him in the most advantageous situation to put up big numbers to increase his appeal. However, he is getting the chance to play, which probably was not going to be the case in Denver because of the acrimony between Lelie and the team.

Having been a starter, Lelie also could be able to move into a starting role should White or Jenkins get hurt.

Atlanta has been trying to find someone to be the No. 3 wide receiver since veteran Brian Finneran tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee early in training camp. Jerome Pathon had been promoted to the third-wideout, but the coaching and personnel staffs felt they had to move in another direction after the loss to Green Bay.

Lelie would be used differently than Finneran in three receiver sets. Finneran was a mid-range target. Lelie would be used more to stretch the defense, while Jenkins would probably operate more in a possession receiver role, Mora said.

"Mike Jenkins would be the logical guy to play the slot because of his size and he's good getting off the jam and he catches the ball well inside," Mora said Monday.
"


LMAO...eat a dick Lily

[Traveler]

Falcons trade Duckett

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/22/06

Flowery Branch — Falcons' tailback T.J. Duckett doesn't have to hear any more trade speculation. Tuesday night, he was dealt to the Washington Redskins as part of a three-team deal that brings speedy, but disgruntled Denver Broncos wide receiver Ashley Lelie to Atlanta, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

The move, which comes roughly three weeks before the regular season, addresses an area that has been of concern for weeks and reached a crescendo after Atlanta's 38-10 preseason loss to Green Bay Saturday.

Yet, in trying to bolster depth, the Falcons parted with their 2002 first-round draft pick in Duckett, leaving rookie Jerious Norwood as the main backup to starting tailback Warrick Dunn. Fullback Justin Griffith could also play tailback in a pinch or in the short-yardage situations, roles Duckett used to handle.

"I feel like I'll be all right," Norwood said Tuesday afternoon, before the trade was consummated. "I've just got to continue to get better. Whatever happens, I'll give 110 percent of everything I have."

In exchange for Duckett, 25, the Redskins sent a third- or fourth-round pick to Denver, who, in turn, shipped Lelie, 26, to the Falcons.

This is the second time in the past few months Denver has facilitated a three-team trade with the Falcons. Atlanta swapped first-round picks with the Broncos then shipped the choice they got from Denver to the New York Jets in exchange for defensive end John Abraham.

Coincidentally, the Falcons considered using their first round pick (18th overall) in 2002 on Lelie before using it to select Duckett. Denver drafted Lelie with the very next pick.

Lelie (6-3, 200) is a speed burner and a downfield threat, who has caught 168 passes for 3,007 yards with 12 touchdowns in his career. His best season came in 2004 when he had 54 catches for 1,084 yards and seven touchdowns. Last season, he caught 42 passes for 770 yards and one touchdown.

Lelie has held out of Denver's entire training camp — costing him $14,000 a practice in fines, which he is obligated to pay — and expressed his desire to be traded ever since the Broncos' acquired wide receiver Jevon Walker, a move that positioned him as the No. 3 wide receiver behind Walker and Rod Smith.

Lelie will be the Falcons' No. 3 wide receiver behind Michael Jenkins and Roddy White. Coach Jim Mora has said it would be made clear that any receiver the team acquired would not leapfrog White and Jenkins and that disruption over the pecking order would not be tolerated.

With Lelie being in the last year of his contract, that not might put him in the most advantageous situation to put up big numbers to increase his appeal. However, he is getting the chance to play, which probably was not going to be the case in Denver because of the acrimony between Lelie and the team.

Having been a starter, Lelie also could be able to move into a starting role should White or Jenkins get hurt.

Atlanta has been trying to find someone to be the No. 3 wide receiver since veteran Brian Finneran tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee early in training camp. Jerome Pathon had been promoted to the third-wideout, but the coaching and personnel staffs felt they had to move in another direction after the loss to Green Bay.

Lelie would be used differently than Finneran in three receiver sets. Finneran was a mid-range target. Lelie would be used more to stretch the defense, while Jenkins would probably operate more in a possession receiver role, Mora said.

"Mike Jenkins would be the logical guy to play the slot because of his size and he's good getting off the jam and he catches the ball well inside," Mora said Monday.

As for Duckett, he could finally get the chance to be a featured back — for a few weeks. Redskins' tailback Clinton Portis is out with a shoulder injury but is not expected to be out for the entire season.

The Redskins, who play host to the Falcons Dec. 3, utilize a more traditional running attack that could work to Duckett's downhill running style. The Falcons' zone blocking, cutback scheme is more suited to slashers like Dunn and Norwood. Even so, Duckett has scored 31 touchdowns over his four years in Atlanta and gained 2,175 yards on 552 carries.

Duckett began to surface in trade speculation after last season, when, after an ankle injury, he struggled down the stretch. He managed a career-low 380 yards (3.1 average) despite getting 121 carries, 17 more than in 2004, when he gained 509 yards and averaged a career best 4.9 yards per carry.

[Sideburn]

And the Mane, will come tumbling down...tumbling down, I said the Mane, will come tumbling down...can't wait for game days.......

[SportinOne]

So what if he doesn't want to play for them either?

[youcandoit1687]

the board is about to overload jeez, good thing iges i gotta go do hw

ok does anybody else think that it has to be a second?

we rejected a third(rumors of course) from the texans as alec mentioned &the texans would be drafting higher than the redskins for sure, why budge now?

maybe that is biased logic but i want a second esp. if its the redskins, maybe if it had been the texans again but no, lelie is better than 80-90 pick

[Orange_Beard]

"Filling their need for a No. 3 wide receiver, the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday night acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos veteran Ashley Lelie in a three-team trade, ESPN.com has learned.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2558101


3rd wide out, now that is funny.

He should hold out until they make him number 1.

[bpc]

Best of luck to Ash. At the same time, he left a place where he was going to win for basically the same offense in Atlanta with a worse QB running it. It all seems kind of silly to me.

Personally I see Washington collapsing this year barring a Jason Campbell miracle where he is inserted into the lineup at midseason and does phenominal.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lelie wasn't worth a second round pick at all. So if we got a 3rd I'm stoked.

[titan]

There was a strong rumor the Broncos would have taken a 4th rounder on draft day from the Texans for Lelie, so if it is a third from Washington that's not too bad. And Bronco fans will go through another season rooting against the Skins (just like last year when we had Washington's #1).

Lelie with his speed could do well playing half of his games on turf, but he's no #1 receiver.

[loborugger]

GOOD BYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE. Have fun blocking down field for Vick when he decides to scramble instead of throwing you the ball.

He went from being a 3rd reciever here to a 3rd reciever there. Sounds like the NFL has a good idea of his talent.

[SportinOne]

Just remember, if we got a late third we can easily turn that into a late 2nd ;)

[Dandaman]

wait, so the falcons get the 19th pick in 2002 (Lelie) when they had the 18th, and we get the 20th pick in 2002 (Walker), when we had the 19th?

am i wrong about this? funny if true.

daniel

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Thank Zeus! This soap opera has come to an end.

[ozomulsion]

Vick throws a better deep ball than Plummer as do many QBs. I bet lelie puts up good numbers this year. Despite what RaY Finkle thinks, the West Coast offense does incorperate the deep ball. Don't be silly, all NFL teams do. The Falcons do a lot.

[RhymesayersDU]

You guys are missing the point on Ashley's demands altogether.

All he ever wanted was a chance to compete for #1. He knew he wasn't going to be able to do that here in Denver. I mean come on, it's basic business, if you shell out a lot of money for an asset, you damn well better use it. He was not going to be able to compete with Rod or Javon, period. You guys can say he should have manned up and played, but let's be real, Bowlen didn't shell out for Javon to have him sit.

I'm not defending the hold-out, because Ash didn't have the talent or numbers to have any leverage. He's not TO or somebody big like a Chad Johnson or Marvin Harrison.

Sure, Ash may start the season as ATL's #3, but as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) Atlanta doesn't have any big money invested in their WR's, and Ash at least has a chance to compete and maybe supplant them mid-season or next year.

Now, as for Vick's abilities with Ash's abilities, that will be funny to watch. But Ashley Lelie has what he wants, an opportunity to compete on a level playing field.

[Garcia Bronco]

This just in Lelie wasn't worth a 1st round pick to begin with....so getting a 3rd would be awesome

[Traveler]

According to Legwold in the RMN, Denver gets the Skins 1st & 3rd if they have a worse record than us. We get a 3rd and 4th if their record is better.

[Ray Finkle]

Vick throws a better deep ball than Plummer as do many QBs. I bet lelie puts up good numbers this year. Despite what RaY Finkle thinks, the West Coast offense does incorperate the deep ball. Don't be silly, all NFL teams do. The Falcons do a lot.


Vick could be throwing cabbage patch dolls to Lelie and it will not make a difference. Why? because he doesn't look to throw the ball. At the first sign of trouble he is going to run.

[CBF1]

Finally it is over and time to move forward. So we now have an extra 3 and 6. I am sure we will get another mid level for Dayne from someone.

[El Guapo]

[b]Check out my new "Adopt-a-Bronco." :thanku:

[Barry Ramey]

Good riddance to Lelie. He can go to Atlanta and run his so complicated fly patterns and not be a big factor in most of the games there too. Broncos getting any draft pick for him is gravy.

[Arkie]

Now Atlanta has three young 1st round receivers. One of them has to be #3.

[Jori]

Considering the situation, a third round pick is good value.

[plummershelper]

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Good Luck Ash! Congrats on the new team and name change. I wish you nothing but the best as you play Tampa and Carolina's D twice yearly.

[Kaylore]

According to Legwold in the RMN, Denver gets the Skins 1st & 3rd if they have a worse record than us. We get a 3rd and 4th if their record is better.
That doesn't make any sense at all.

[Requiem]

I'm happy for Lelie to be on the move and if we got a third I'm really happy. This is a great draft class and there is a lot of depth already. Looks like I'll be rootin' for the Boys, Eagles and Giants this year. That division is rough. Let's hope for the worst in Washington.

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO PApi...that would be crazy

[Dedhed]

"Filling their need for a No. 3 wide receiver, the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday night acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos veteran Ashley Lelie in a three-team trade, ESPN.com has learned.

The Falcons sent former first-round tailback T.J. Duckett to the Washington Redskins and the Broncos will receive an undisclosed draft choice in the deal. The Falcons have been shopping Duckett in trade talks much of the offseason.

The team's need for a No. 3 wideout was heightened when veteran Brian Finneran suffered a season-ending knee injury early in training camp. Denver has been attempting to find a trade partner for Lelie, who did not participate in any offseason drills and had not reported to training camp."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2558101

This is my favorite part of that.

[Traveler]

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Read it for yourself...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

[69bronco]

Good Deal, Lelie was sh!t

[Jori]

According to Legwold in the RMN, Denver gets the Skins 1st & 3rd if they have a worse record than us. We get a 3rd and 4th if their record is better.
Guys before you freak out...READ THIS:

Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks.

http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

All the Broncos need to do is to have a better record then the Skins and they get a first rounder !Booya!

[SoDak Bronco]

Have you guys read the RMN?? They are saying "Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks. "

Anyone confirming this????? That is crazy if true...

[Killericon]

Yes! It's Over! It's Finally Over!

[ward63]

Hoping it was a 2nd, but a 3rd will replace that 4th we lost to Atlanta also.

[Sideburn]

That would be rape....bad rape...the front office would go to jail type rape

[baja]

This just in Lelie failed his physical remains a Bronco....

[rovolution]

Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks.



Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Shanahan keeps robbing the Redskins.

[El Guapo]

Check out my new "Adopt-a-Bronco." :thanku:

[baja]

This just in Lelie failed his physical remains a Bronco....

jk

[Man-Goblin]

Read it for yourself...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

Holy crap...that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...it's almost like we're wagering against the Skins...that's freaking hilarious!

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...4936802,00.html


LOL HELL YES, RIPPED EM OFF AGAIN. SUCKAS

[Requiem]

Jesus Christ this is better than the day I lost my virginity.

[Requiem]

Jesus Christ this is better than the day I lost my virginity.

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO extreme skins must have found out because their site has crashed

[24champ]

Have you guys read the RMN?? They are saying "Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks. "

Anyone confirming this????? That is crazy if true...
Its the Bleepin redskins... of course it is. I want to know the skin fans reaction to this when they read that. Would love to see them spin it around. Someone send a box of KY Jelly to Dan Snyder.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Denver will flip flop first-round picks with Washington if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. The Broncos would also get Washington’s third-round pick in that scenario.

If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos this season the teams will keep their first-round picks and the Broncos will receive the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks."

'The hell??...

[Man-Goblin]

I read that paragraph like 20 times and I've got to think it means that the Broncos and Redskins SWAP 1st rounders if they Redskins have a worse record, thus the Broncos would be trading up in the first round. I mean, it has to mean that, right?

Edit, yep that's it. The news updated their article.

[Paladin]

Two Firsts next year? That and the third from Washington could move up a bit to get one of the top Dlineman. More packages to come, future looks brighter and brighter. That's how you build a dynasty!!!!!

Wasington gives up a lot, but that fits their philosophy. I don't think Snyder cares about draft picks because he buys what he needs off the shelf. Sort of a Home Depot mentality. Still and all, that is a short term philosophy. If one of those big money boys is injured, they are in hock badly. But I don't give a sh*t about the Deadskins. I am just glad Shanahan knows how to rape them consistently......

WOW!!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

We get the third regardless

[Traveler]

Well, at least Ashley will be closer to his folks in SC. Gotta count for something, right?:wiggle: Ha!

[Paladin]

Damm. Gotta wait until this thing settles down to know exctly what happened. Even a flip and a third is okay.

[Garcia Bronco]

Two Firsts next year? That and the third from Washington could move up a bit to get one of the top Dlineman. More packages to come, future looks brighter and brighter. That's how you build a dynasty!!!!!

Wasington gives up a lot, but that fits their philosophy. I don't think Snyder cares about draft picks because he buys what he needs off the shelf. Sort of a Home Depot mentality. Still and all, that is a short term philosophy. If one of those big money boys is injured, they are in hock badly. But I don't give a sh*t about the Deadskins. I am just glad Shanahan knows how to rape them consistently......

WOW!!!!!!


We switch firsts and get the 3rd if we do better. Worse....we get the 3rd and 4th I believe....sweet...what a raping

[Kaylore]

No, we don't get two firsts. People READ!!!

Denver will flip flop first-round picks with Washington if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. The Broncos would also get Washington’s third-round pick in that scenario.

If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos this season the teams will keep their first-round picks and the Broncos will receive the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks.
Either way, we got a good deal out of this. Seems every year we're hoping for the Skins to suck.ROFL!

[ward63]

GOOOOOOOOOOO whoever plays the Redskins, but this is what we said last year too.

[Requiem]

Dude, LOL.

[Requiem]

Dude, LOL.

[Traveler]

The error was corrected. We will flip flop 1sts with the Skins.

[Dedhed]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Sundquist and Shanny like dealing with Snyder a bit?

[rovolution]

GOOOOOOOOOOO whoever plays the Redskins, but this is what we said last year too.

And look what happened... Washingtion picks helpedm us get Cutler, Walker, and Marshall! Shanahan is just straight up jackin' people.

[rovolution]

GOOOOOOOOOOO whoever plays the Redskins, but this is what we said last year too.

And look what happened... Washington picks helped us get Cutler, Walker, and Marshall! Shanahan is just straight up jackin' people.

[El Guapo]

hilarious! ROFL! GO NFC EAST - Redskins!

[Arkie]

It's actually worse for us if Washington finishes closely behind than if they finished slightly ahead. We get two extra picks (3rd & 4th) if Washington has the better record and only one extra pick (3rd) if Denver has the better record.

[BigPlayShay]

Leading recievers for Atlanta since 2002:

2002 - WR Brian Finneran - 56 catches, 838 yards, 6 TDs
2003 - WR Peerless Price - 64 catches, 838 yards, 3 TDs
2004 - TE Alge Crumpler - 48 catches, 774 yards, 6 TDs
2005 - TE Alge Crumpler - 65 catches, 877 yards, 5 TDs

Not one reciever with more than 65 catches, not one with more than 900 yards, not one with more than 6 TDs.

Good luck Ash, you are going to need it you selfish prick.

[RhymesayersDU]

Wow, the Redskins suck at trading draft picks.

[Requiem]

Dude I'm so confused. Fo reals.

[Dedhed]

It's actually worse for us if Washington finishes closely behind than if they finished slightly ahead. We get two extra picks if Washington (3rd & 4th) has the better record and only one extra pick (3rd) if Denver has the better record.
You mean better if they finish close behind than just ahead, I think.I'd rather 2 extra picks than move up 2 spots.But if they go 1-15.............:pimp:

[12th man]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...4936802,00.html


LOL HELL YES, RIPPED EM OFF AGAIN. SUCKAS
So, let me get this straight. If the skins finish with a worse record than the Broncos, we get thier first round pick. Wich is a great thing cause then we get a higher pick in the first. and if the skins have a beter record than us we get their third and fourth round pick. all this for giving Lelie to to Atlanta. That's pretty sweet. What do we give the skins, nothing?

[ward63]

It's actually worse for us if Washington finishes closely behind than if they finished slightly ahead. We get two extra picks (3rd & 4th) if Washington has the better record and only one extra pick (3rd) if Denver has the better record.

But again, we can somehow have the hopes that Denver wins the Super Bowl and Washington flops(knock on wood).

[Man-Goblin]

No, we don't get two firsts. People READ!!!


Either way, we got a good deal out of this. Seems every year we're hoping for the Skins to suck.ROFL!

It just truly shows the Broncos are all about the bargaining chips these days when it comes to the draft. Even if the Broncos don't end up swaping 1sts with the Redskins they STILL have added maneuverability and an opportunity to move up in the first round with the two mid round picks. Bravo.

[Traveler]

The Broncos agreed to terms early Tuesday evening on a three-way deal that will send Lelie to the Atlanta Falcons once the paperwork is completed. The Falcons will send, according to two league sources, running back T.J. Duckett to the Washington Redskins and the Redskins will send a combination of draft picks to the Broncos.

Based on the two teams' finish in the upcoming season the Broncos, at best, could end up with the Redskins' first- and third-round picks in the 2007 draft if the Redskins finish with a worse record than the Broncos.

In that scenario the Broncos and Redskins would flip-flop first-round picks with Denver moving up and the Redskins moving down. The Broncos would then get the Redskins third-round pick as well.

If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver gets the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks next April.

Neither Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist nor coach Mike Shanahan could be reached for comment Tuesday night.

The three teams were not expected to complete the paperwork on the trade until late this afternoon at the earliest. The trade will be official when all players and teams have signed the documents.

The Broncos are also believed to have made the trade contingent on an agreement from Lelie to pay the team just over $1 million — which would cover the fines Lelie has been assessed for missing the team's three-day mandatory minicamp as well as training camp to this point as well as a portion of Lelie's original $3.3 million signing bonus.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

[Rocket 7]

Ok, I want NEG REP FOR THIS (if it happens)

What if Lelie fails his physical? DOH! Ok, feel free to smack me around for even thinking that Ha!
Ashley has been nothing more physical these past few months than stroking hs big ego.

[Killericon]

This deal is just epic(I'm pretty sure Sundquist agreed to suck Snyder's dick too, or SOMETHING)...but one thing that I'm sure of is that Lelie will love Vick...and vice versa. Crumpler's not the only competent reciever now...

[Jori]

The Broncos don't lose in this deal imo.

[plummershelper]

So basically dealing with Snyder is like going up to a 5 year old who just got a 20 dollar bill for his birthday. You promptly take out 3 crisp one dollar bills and simply state that 3 bills are more than 1 bill. The kid, Snyder, gasps with joy over the prospect that he just got three bills while he wonders what that aching pain in his corn hole was. The skins are good for a laugh and successful draft positioning. What a franchise.

[TallyBronco]

So, let me get this straight. If the skins finish with a worse record than the Broncos, we get thier first round pick. Wich is a great thing cause then we get a higher pick in the first. and if the skins have a beter record than us we get their third and fourth round pick. all this for giving Lelie to to Atlanta. That's pretty sweet. What do we give the skins, nothing?

Just to clarify: if the skins have a worse record, we get their 1st rounder (in addition to their third) and they get our first rounder.

[SoDak Bronco]

So exactly how many picks are we getting??? 3rd rounder and a 1st??

LMAO at the skins....again...

[Florida_Bronco]

I called this (a 3 way trade) back when these rumors first popped. It was pretty obvious that we didn't want Duckett, but Atlanta seemed to be the only one offering something decent. Luck with have it that our good ole' buddy Dan Synder would step up and do something stupid.

Thank you very much Redskins! ^5

[Dagmar]

Confusing and wonderful!!!!
:strong:

[Garcia Bronco]

This is bunk...their 4th is already gone for Llyod

[FloridaResident]

people @ extremeskins are saying the RMN article is bull****! damn those conflicting reports i dont know what to believe

[Garcia Bronco]

This is al bunk...we only got a 3rd

[Garcia Bronco]

here it is on ESPiN 'Sports ****ter

[Clockwork Orange]

This is ****ing awesome. Kudos to Shanahan and Sundquist for holding out for the best deal possible. At worst they get a 3rd & 4th. At best they move up in the 1st round and get a 3rd. All this for a guy who wasn't gonna play for them anyway.

I love it. I ****ing love it. !Booya!

[OrangeShadow]

boy its fun to deal with the skins

[Ballhawk]

Neither Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist nor coach Mike Shanahan could be reached for comment Tuesday night.




No ****, they can't stop giggling like school girls long enough to answer the phone

[Requiem]

I told you the Broncos would wait, wait, wait. Wow, a third and a fourth is still excellent. Those could be quality picks, but the awesomething thing about it is it's ammo to move up in the draft for an Adams or Moses. :D

Not sure on how credible all this is. . . hopefully it'll all be sorted out tomorrow.

[RMT]

Let's hope that next year he signs with one of the teams we're scheduled to play at home in 2007, 2008, or 2009 so we can give him a nice Mile High "Welcome Home" warm fuzzy ;)

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_afcw.htm

[Requiem]

Mike and Ted: *giggling and drinking tea* *calls Synder* Hi. . . *giggles* Dan, you wanna make a trade like the past few years that make you and your fans delusional, but making us look like trade Gods?

Dan: How about we get Atlanta in like you did with that three way and you can really stick it to us? Possibility to swap first-rounders, but you'll atleast get a third and a fourth. I'm bending over, STICK IT IN.

DONE DEAL.

[Requiem]

Mike and Ted: *giggling and drinking tea* *calls Synder* Hi. . . *giggles* Dan, you wanna make a trade like the past few years that make you and your fans delusional, but making us look like trade Gods?

Dan: How about we get Atlanta in like you did with that three way and you can really stick it to us? Possibility to swap first-rounders, but you'll atleast get a third and a fourth. I'm bending over, STICK IT IN.

DONE DEAL.

[broncosteven]

Maybe we can also send the Falcons one of our RB's like Dayne to add some picks...

"But dealing Duckett leaves Atlanta with no proven backup to Dunn, and the team may look to acquire a veteran back before the start of the season."

From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2558101

[Man-Goblin]

Best part is Lelie has to scratch a check for a million bucks to the Broncos. Outstanding.

[Hulamau]

Betcha he's the Falcons #1 by this time next year after a full offseason in camp.

Hes gonna have a chip on his shoulder a mile wide and be out to prove to everyone why he did it. Mike Vic k is goona be happy to have him as ther "3' for the first few months before he moves up the chart.

Lelie lived in South Carolina and Georgia and his family lives there now so good for him. The Falcons (or 49ers 2nd) was the team he originally wanted to go to before Reeves passed on him and we grabbed him.

I'm pissed the way he went about this whole affair, but wish him well. Now we can move on to Bronco Ball and let go of all the hatin'.

[NOLA Bronco]

I am in the middle of a fantasy draft, and this had no effect on anything....


I would have taken a sack of chips for Lelie......

[Clockwork Orange]

From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2558101

At worst, the Broncos will receive two draft choices from Washington -- third- and fourth-round picks -- and those picks could escalate based on a complicated formula.

Looks like the RMN article was right after all. The Broncos are getting multiple picks out of this deal.

I'm loving this. Absolutely loving it.

:notworthy Shanahan :notworthy

[Barry Ramey]

Would be funny if they did deal Dayne to Atlanta for pick from them. Dayne isn't much different from Duckett, though maybe they don't want a Duckett type. No Tatum though, the Broncos may need him too much.

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO...if this is true...when I move to Denver I'll get a subscrption

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...4936802,00.html

Also, according to the RMN article, Lelie is going to pay the Broncos about a million dollars in fines and signing bonus. He better hope the Falcons will redo his deal, because he is only going to make $600k this year on his original contract.

It's like what ever they write becomes true

[Kaylore]

This is confusing. I'm going to the gym. I trust you guys to figure this out since the Skins don't have a fourth (unless they traded for one to give to us).

[Requiem]

When I wake up tomorrow and get done with classes at about 1. . . I assume this will be all cleared up. :) Great day to be a Broncos fan regardless.

[Hulamau]

At worst, the Broncos will receive two draft choices from Washington -- third- and fourth-round picks -- and those picks could escalate based on a complicated formula.

Looks like the RMN article was right after all. The Broncos are getting multiple picks out of this deal.

I'm loving this. Absolutely loving it.

:notworthy Shanahan :notworthy


Right on! ...its good for all of us! And I didnt want to see his career go down the toilet, and as long as we got some compensation that will help us cement the upcoming Cutler era with some extra picks or move up our first pick for a top Dlineman, then its all the best Ashley and bonvoyage.

I'm just glad he isnt going to the Chiefs!

I disagree with how he went about leaving, but one thing he was was persistant. That couldn't have been easy and he musta wanted out in the worst way.

If we get multiple picks we are 'in like flint' on this deal!

[Tredici]

Anybody thinking Ashley Lelie was worth much of anything at this point was kidding themselves. Hold out. Last year of his contract.

So....the pick turning out to be the building of the future for the Broncos? Let's all thank Clinton Portis for being an impatient little prick. The uncertainty surrounding his booboo is what made TJ Duckett a need in Washington.

I'm starting to love CP.

[BroncoMatt]

Now you can see why I selected Ted Sundquist as my adopt a bronco, dude is a freaking genius.

[Disco Man]

Who's this Lelie guy????????? Screw Em!!!!!!!!! Glad he's gone.

[Clockwork Orange]

Good luck catching passes from Vick, Ash......you're gonna need it. :laugh:

[ksBRONCOfan]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=119923

The Broncos received Washington's third-round pick in the 2007 draft as part of the deal, according to two officials within the league who spoke on condition of anonymity because the trade had not been officially announced.

[snowspot66]

It doesn't say anything about it being a 4th for next years draft. It could very well mean for the year after.

[DenverBrit]

Great trade by the front office and Shanny. Now let's turn around a trade those future picks for a quality DL.
That will be a much easier deal to make than trading Lilly for player.
It's like offering cash instead of a goat and two chickens.

[Kaylore]

Maybe it's the Skins' third and the Falcon's fourth...

[Arkansas Bronco]

Thank God we finaly got rid of cryin lilly.Ive been wanting this since before TC.

[HEAV]

Correcting a previous report, the Denver Broncos could swap first-round picks with the Washington Redskins as part of the three-team deal involving former Broncos WR Ashley Lelie. If the Broncos finish with a better record than the Redskins, Denver would receive the Redskins' third-round pick and they would flip-flop first-round picks. If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver would receive the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft.

[Kid A]

Good luck blocking for Vick, Ash......you're gonna need it. :laugh:

Fixed it for you

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=119923

The Broncos received Washington's third-round pick in the 2007 draft as part of the deal, according to two officials within the league who spoke on condition of anonymity because the trade had not been officially announced.

We'll have to wait and see when it's officially announced. The RMN & espn.com are reporting that it's multiple picks coming the Broncos way. If the reports from those two are accurate, the Broncos got over big time.

Either way, I'm happy. All this Lelie bull**** is over and we're getting a minimum of one first day pick. There's no downside here.

[Clockwork Orange]

Correcting a previous report, the Denver Broncos could swap first-round picks with the Washington Redskins as part of the three-team deal involving former Broncos WR Ashley Lelie. If the Broncos finish with a better record than the Redskins, Denver would receive the Redskins' third-round pick and they would flip-flop first-round picks. If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver would receive the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft.

The problem with that is that the Redskins don't have a 4th rounder next year. It'd have to be their 4th rounder in '08.

We're just gonna have to wait until the deal is officially announced to sort out the details.

I would have been happy with just a 3rd, anything more than that is a bonus and all indications thus far are that the Broncos managed to get more. Exactly what remains to be seen.

[Hulamau]

Its closer to $500,000, not $1 million and I bet some of that goes away now that every one is ready to move on and make nice.

We dont play Atlanta until 2008.

[baja]

At worst, the Broncos will receive two draft choices from Washington -- third- and fourth-round picks -- and those picks could escalate based on a complicated formula.

Looks like the RMN article was right after all. The Broncos are getting multiple picks out of this deal.

I'm loving this. Absolutely loving it.

:notworthy Shanahan :notworthy

No, the worst case scenario would be to move up one slot in the first round and get Washington's third.

The best case scenario however would we get the first pick in the draft plus Washington's third .

The other possible scenarios are moving up any number of slots in the first round and getting Washington's third pick or getting Washington's third and fourth round picks in 2007.

Clear?

[Jori]

Fox 31 is only reporting the 3rd round pick. The AP report is also only confirming just a 3rd round pick

[Steve Sewell]

We'll have to wait and see when it's officially announced. The RMN & espn.com are reporting that it's multiple picks coming the Broncos way. If the reports from those two are accurate, the Broncos got over big time.

Either way, I'm happy. All this Lelie bull**** is over and we're getting a minimum of one first day pick. There's no downside here.

I'll err on the side of Washington's recent history of allowing themselves to get ass-raped on trades...

It's not like Legwold and ESPin are coming up with this **** out of thin air. There's got to be something to it.

[Los Broncos]

Whos our number three wr now? i think its watts.

[Steve Sewell]

Jori, what are Fox 31 and the AP reporting? LOL

[Clockwork Orange]

Too many conflicting reports. :nono:

[HEAV]

Whos our number three wr now? i think its watts.


I'd say it's Kircus.

[Jori]

Jori, what are Fox 31 and the AP reporting? LOL
I pressed enter once and it made all those duplicates...so bite me! :D

[Los Broncos]

I'd say it's Kircus.

I like kircus, watts played well in the first preseason game, but kircus has played better and has a td catch.

[Killericon]

Too many conflicting reports. :nono:

I'm waiting to hear something official.

[JCMElway]

A league source said Falcons officials had a long meeting with Lelie to discuss his role, and were satisfied he was willing to accept the No. 3 spot.

Unbelievable. He wasn't willing to stay here and fight for a starting job when Rod will likely retire soon and Cutler, an outstanding QB prospect with a great throwing arm, will also take over soon.

Instead he gets to be a #3 receiver with no chance of advancement anytime soon. The passing game there is stagnant and he's stuck with a running QB. He really did cut off his nose to spite his face.

Well, maybe he likes the fact that he's closer to where he grew up.....

[Raiders Rock]

It better be a 3rd at least.

Yea, you can pick up them good players like Maurice Clarett in the 3rd :thumbs:

[Hulamau]

Good luck catching passes from Vick, Ash......you're gonna need it. :laugh:


Thats the first thing I thought too, but Atlanta probably looked at his game tape and realized he was one of the few WR who might actually make Vick look a lot better!

He sure had to make a lot of "circus catches" (diplomatically speaking) the past couple years :-)

Vick may not be that accurate, but he sure can throw it a country mile, so I suspect there will be a lot of Lelie go routes where Vick just heaves it up for Ash to catch on the fly. He might throw it behind him a good deal on crossing routes, but I doubt if he throws it too short much on the long ones.

It will be iinteresting to see how they mesh. Who knows, maybe its work out fine! Lelie looked all world with Nick Rollivich at Hawaii who could also throw it a mile to a given quadrant of the field and Lelie would just run under it and make a play on the ball at full speed without having to stop and come back.

[freak6]

I see a ton of hate coming down on Ashley Lelie right now. It's pathetic. They guy won games for us making spectacular catches on balls tossed up for grabs by Plummer. We would have lost to a terrible Browns team if Lelie doesn't make a sensational catch. He destroyed the Raiders before. The great catch vs the Bills.

Anyway, he may not have produced like a true #1 and he punked out like a lil beyotch, but some of you are way downplaying his skills and catches he made while he was with us.

[titan]

Channel 4 in Denver, "the bronco station", says denver gets a "pair of high draft picks" from the Redskins "most likely a 3rd and 4th rounder"

[Jori]

CBS 4's Vic Lombardi said the Broncos will receive multiple picks. I guess we wont know for sure until tomorrow.

[MechanicalBull]

WOW I leave thinking that we got a 3rd which was fine by me and now I hear potential swaps of firsts and a third or at least a 3rd and a 4th. The 4th can be for '08 and not next year if this is all true. We are just going to have to wait until everything is confirmed and made official. But Skins fans are going nuts and hating this deal now cause of the potential draft pick trade with us and they only get Duckett for maybe just a year since he is a FA and they said will most likely leave after the season.

I love this part of the ESPN article "Interesting is that the Falcons did not extend Lelie's contract as part of the trade, meaning he could be a one-year rental, since he is entering the final season of his original rookie deal, and could be eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. If the Falcons like Lelie and he is productive for them, they could approach him about an extension during the season. For now, though, his contract remains unaffected."

[BroncoFanCam]

Adios Muchacho!!!!

And good riddance, now you can finally disappear like the tampons in my sig...



"like the tampons in my sig" - Would that be the first time that has been said here? Hilarious!

[Clockwork Orange]

I see a ton of hate coming down on Ashley Lelie right now. It's pathetic. They guy won games for us making spectacular catches on balls tossed up for grabs by Plummer. We would have lost to a terrible Browns team if Lelie doesn't make a sensational catch. He destroyed the Raiders before. The great catch vs the Bills.

Anyway, he may not have produced like a true #1 and he punked out like a lil beyotch, but some of you are way downplaying his skills and catches he made while he was with us.

He deserves everything coming his way. **** him and good riddance.

[Killericon]

I see a ton of hate coming down on Ashley Lelie right now. It's pathetic. They guy won games for us making spectacular catches on balls tossed up for grabs by Plummer. We would have lost to a terrible Browns team if Lelie doesn't make a sensational catch. He destroyed the Raiders before. The great catch vs the Bills.

Anyway, he may not have produced like a true #1 and he punked out like a lil beyotch, but some of you are way downplaying his skills and catches he made while he was with us.

I've always loved the kid, and I'm hoping he thrives with Vick.

[DomCasual]

It'd be classic if we had to restart the Washington Weekly Opponent/Draft thread again.

[Clockwork Orange]

Thats the first thing I thought too, but Atlanta probably looked at his game tape and realized he was one of the few WR who might actually make Vick look a lot better!

He sure had to make a lot of "circus catches" (diplomatically speaking) the past couple years :-)

Vick may not be that accurate, but he sure can throw it a country mile, so I suspect there will be a lot of Lelie go routes where Vick just heaves it up for Ash to catch on the fly. He might throw it behind him a good deal on crossing routes, but I doubt if he throws it too short much on the long ones.

It will be iinteresting to see how they mesh. Who knows, maybe its work out fine! Lelie looked all world with Nick Rollivich at Hawaii who could also throw it a mile to a given quadrant of the field and Lelie would just run under it and make a play on the ball at full speed without having to stop and come back.

Thank you for confirming what I've said all along, that Lelie is a one trick pony. A deep threat and not much more.

If the Falcons can utilize that, more power to them. I'm just glad that this is one of the last times we'll be discussing Lelie. I suspect there will be at least one more thread when he badmouths the Broncos on his way out the door, but hopefully that'll be the end of it.

[Garcia Bronco]

The problem with that is that the Redskins don't have a 4th rounder next year. It'd have to be their 4th rounder in '08.

We're just gonna have to wait until the deal is officially announced to sort out the details.

I would have been happy with just a 3rd, anything more than that is a bonus and all indications thus far are that the Broncos managed to get more. Exactly what remains to be seen.


Unless the 4th came from Atlanta.

I bet on paper we actuall traded Lelie to Washington...then Washington kicked him to Atlanta for Duckett and a 4th...or it's 08....which techincally makes it the value of a 5th

[HEAV]

A league source said Falcons officials had a long meeting with Lelie to discuss his role, and were satisfied he was willing to accept the No. 3 spot.

Unbelievable. He wasn't willing to stay here and fight for a starting job when Rod will likely retire soon and Cutler, an outstanding QB prospect with a great throwing arm, will also take over soon.

Instead he gets to be a #3 receiver with no chance of advancement anytime soon. The passing game there is stagnant and he's stuck with a running QB. He really did cut off his nose to spite his face.

Well, maybe he likes the fact that he's closer to where he grew up.....


It's just like when a player refuses to take a paycut (Eddie George comes to mind) and chooses to be released and play somewhere else for the paycut price he would have gotten from his old team.

Players feel that the current team owes them some respect.

Now Ash has issue with the Bronocs coaching staff. He feels he has been used as a Alvin Harper type player. Go deep, then go deep and after that go deep.

So he must feel that taking a 3rd spot on ATL is better than being third in Denver.

He may also feel that after a few weeks he can be a starter in ATL.

[Clockwork Orange]

From the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4222540

The exact compensation Denver receives will not be determined until after the season. There are several possibilities, one being that the Broncos and Redskins flip-flop their first-round picks if both teams have good records and the Broncos have a better one. If the Redskins have a poor record, the Broncos would get their third-round pick.

This seems to be getting more complicated. The official release can't come soon enough.

[Tredici]

And we should all salute bendog. His selection of Lelie as his Adopt-A-Bronco got a trade accomplished in less than a week.

Excellent work.

[HEAV]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=threeteamtrade&prov=st&type=lgns


Great another year of cheering against the skins! Come on and lose Gibbs!

[Hulamau]

A league source said Falcons officials had a long meeting with Lelie to discuss his role, and were satisfied he was willing to accept the No. 3 spot.

Unbelievable. He wasn't willing to stay here and fight for a starting job when Rod will likely retire soon and Cutler, an outstanding QB prospect with a great throwing arm, will also take over soon.

Instead he gets to be a #3 receiver with no chance of advancement anytime soon. The passing game there is stagnant and he's stuck with a running QB. He really did cut off his nose to spite his face.

Well, maybe he likes the fact that he's closer to where he grew up.....

I wouldnt be so sure about the "no chance for advancement" part of the deal. I'm sure the Falcon coaches just wanted to get to the bottom of why he wanted to leave Denver and make sure he wasnt actually asking for 'the #1 spot to be given to him' as so many people in the press and public erroneously stated. Obivously, they were satisfied with his side of the story.

I suspect they also told him he could compete for whatever spot he could get. MAybe not this year, but by camp next year it will be a diffenrt story, which is a hell of alot better in Lelie's eyes than sitting at home all year doing needlpoint! There is no way in hell a still gimpy Brian Finneran beats Lelie out in camp next year.

[Tredici]

[QUOTE=HEAV]It's just like when a player refuses to take a paycut (Eddie George comes to mind) and chooses to be released and play somewhere else for the paycut price he would have gotten from his old team.

Players feel that the current team owes them some respect.

Now Ash has issue with the Bronocs coaching staff. He feels he has been used as a Alvin Harper type player. Go deep, then go deep and after that go deep.

So he must feel that taking a 3rd spot on ATL is better than being third in Denver.

He may also feel that after a few weeks he can be a starter in ATL.[/QUOTE

Players feel the current team owes them some respect? It seems Lelie thought his current team owed him a position without asking him to compete for it. But really? He knew he couldn't unseat either Rod or the newly acquired Javon Walker.

Better luck moving ahead of the two scrubs in Atlanta. Whoopee. He can be a star on a team going nowhere. I hope they respect that.

[Hulamau]

From the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4222540

The exact compensation Denver receives will not be determined until after the season. There are several possibilities, one being that the Broncos and Redskins flip-flop their first-round picks if both teams have good records and the Broncos have a better one. If the Redskins have a poor record, the Broncos would get their third-round pick.

This seems to be getting more complicated. The official release can't come soon enough.

The only thing for sure is that it will be great if the Skins go 3-13 this year! Can you imagine .... we would get their #3 AND the 1st or 2nd pick!!! Anyone have some Bird Flu virus we can dump in the Skins locker room?

[Garcia Bronco]

Lelie is a ****ing moron...for the love of Pete.

[bcbronc]

The problem with that is that the Redskins don't have a 4th rounder next year. It'd have to be their 4th rounder in '08.

We're just gonna have to wait until the deal is officially announced to sort out the details.

I would have been happy with just a 3rd, anything more than that is a bonus and all indications thus far are that the Broncos managed to get more. Exactly what remains to be seen.


if it's a 4th in 08, maybe it becomes a 3rd if duckett re-signs. Ha!



i think atlanta got good value. unlike most, i expect lelie to be quite productive as a falcon. vick does have a strong arm, it's quick reads and accuracy he's not good at. if vick does start to look down field after buying time with his legs, lelie should have quite a few long TD's. nobody can honestly say that as of today roddy white is close to the reciever ashley is. a soon-to-be (imo) starting twosome of jenkins and lelie has some good potential. especially with probably the 3rd best TE in the league working underneath. very good deal for ATL, imo.

but washington...what were they thinking. i can understand wanting some depth behind CP, but is duckett really worth swapping back in the first AND a 3rd rounder? LMAO!! we're like 5 deep at the TB position. there's going to be some quality RBs available when the cuts start. considering how tough washington's division looks to be, this could very well end up being a top 15 pick they're giving up to acquire duckett. ROFL!

[Clockwork Orange]

I suspect they also told him he could compete for whatever spot he could get.

The Broncos told him the same thing and he wanted no part of it (I know, Mike Shanahan's a liar, right Mike Bell?). I guess he felt like he had a better chance at beating out Roddy White & Michael Jenkins than Rod Smith & Javon Walker.

[Steve Sewell]

I think I might go start another Lelie thread just to piss everyone off...

[NFLBRONCO]

I think we should thank both Atl and Wash they gave is Bailey and Cutler and whatever else in 07. THANK YOU

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm hoping that there will be a moratorium on Lelie threads once the trade is official and everything dies down.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ding dang the witch is gone

[Killericon]

I'm hoping that there will be a moratorium on Lelie threads once the trade is official and everything dies down.

What if he catches 1300 yards and the Falcons win the superbowl?

I don't think the Lelie threads would ever stop...

[Wes Mantooth]

Yea, you can pick up them good players like Maurice Clarett in the 3rd :thumbs:
Sad part is Clarrett would still be on your roster man. In jail.

[Needa Pass Rush]

http://realgmfootball.com/src_feature_article/38/20060823/grading_the_deal_lelie_to_atlanta_duckett_to_dc/

Like the tabloid relationship of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, you have to love a deal that is good for everyone.

Ashley Lelie, holder of one of the more feminine names in the entire NFL, finally was shipped out of the Mile High City on Tuesday evening and will be joining Ron Mexico in Atlanta.

This is certainly a make-or-break season for Jim Mora, Jr. and also for Michael Vick, whose reputation, at least in the fantasy leagues I spy on, has fallen further than David Caruso’s career. Vick, though, is still just a year removed from playing in the NFC Championship Game, so with another legitimate weapon in Lelie, the likelihood of a resurgence from the Falcons increases dramatically.

Duckett was slipping behind both Warrick Dunn and newcomer Jerious Norwood on the depth chart and therefore became the fat on the Falcons’ bone. He is just 25, however, and gives the Redskins some depth at running back which was a dire need for them after the injury to Clinton Portis. Portis, whenever he does return, will battle that lingering shoulder injury throughout the season, preventing him from being that workhorse that he has been ever since coming into the NFL out of Miami.

For Denver, they cushion the loss of the second round pick that they gave up in order to acquire Javon Walker on the day of the draft. That trade is essentially now, Lelie and the 37th pick for Walker and a third rounder. For a player that the Broncos’ telegraphed as someone they no longer had room for, acquiring a third round pick from a team that appears destined to finish in the middle of the pack, it too is a job well done.

Now, if only Mike Shanahan, Jim Mora, Jr. and Joe Gibbs each adopted a child from a third world country, we’d be in business.

Washington Grade: A-

Atlanta Grade: A

Denver Grade: B+

Feedback can be sent to nicolasjeanluc@yahoo.com

[HEAV]

What if he catches 1300 yards and the Falcons win the superbowl?

It would still be Brian's fault.........
:wiggle:

[Clockwork Orange]

What if he catches 1300 yards and the Falcons win the superbowl?

I don't think the Lelie threads would ever stop...

We heard the same thing about Portis. I'm not concerned about it.

Lelie is soon to be on the dead to me list. Once the deal is announced and he's officially no longer a Bronco, I don't care what he does.

[baja]

What if lelie fails his physical?? ;D

[Popps]

Wow, we're going to be loaded in the draft again next year!

What a fantastic time for the franchise. Talk about a bright future.

Lelie will do well in Atlanta. Turf team... they won't ask him to do much but run deep routes and get Vick out of trouble. That said, I doubt he's much more productive, numbers-wise, than he was here.

But, their WRs are so ****ty, Ashley can be a #1 by default... without earning it... which is what Ashley really wanted.

Good for Ashley.

Great for us.

[Killericon]

We heard the same thing about Portis. I'm not concerned about it.

Lelie is soon to be on the dead to me list. Once the deal is announced and he's officially no longer a Bronco, I don't care what he does.

I will be rooting for him. :approve:

[Garcia Bronco]

20499

[Clockwork Orange]

What if lelie fails his physical?? ;D

Only if he trips over his dog or hurts himself getting off the couch.

[24champ]

Since lelie is gone and I was going to wait till he was traded...

Some things you do not know about Lelie and some of the stuff he does off the field. For example, an anonymous source has told me that at a club after one of the games that the Broncos won. The Bronco players were out having a good time partying it up with the girls etc and Lelie was sitting at the Bar on a stool by himself just didn't say a word and was playing with his straw in a rocks glass.Lelie looked sad, he wasn't even happy after a win, he was stoned. Basically Lelie is a stoner.

[Rocket 7]

What if lelie fails his physical?? ;D
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1237613&postcount=25

[wabbit]

At worst, the Broncos will receive two draft choices from Washington -- third- and fourth-round picks -- and those picks could escalate based on a complicated formula.
Looks like the RMN article was right after all. The Broncos are getting multiple picks out of this deal.

I'm loving this. Absolutely loving it.

:notworthy Shanahan :notworthy

Among other considerations (3rd-4th draft choices), if Washington were to finish with a worse record than the Broncos, the 'Skins/Broncos would swap first round positions.

Hard to believe, but there is even more, but details are a little hard to come by at the moment...I hear the 'Skins want to spin it the best way they can for their fan base...that should be a fun job, huh?

[Clockwork Orange]

I will be rooting for him. :approve:

Good for you. Here's a cookie.

http://wiki.coolmon.org/files/cookie.jpg

[Wes Mantooth]

Since lelie is gone and I was going to wait till he was traded...

Some things you do not know about Lelie and some of the stuff he does off the field. For example, an anonymous source has told me that at a club after one of the games that the Broncos won. The Bronco players were out having a good time partying it up with the girls etc and Lelie was sitting at the Bar on a stool by himself just didn't say a word and was playing with his straw in a rocks glass.Lelie looked sad, he wasn't even happy after a win, he was stoned. Basically Lelie is a stoner.
From Hawaii? Wow. A stoner from Hawaii.

[Clockwork Orange]

I hear the 'Skins want to spin it the best way they can for their fan base...that should be a fun job, huh?

I'm sure they're drawing up draft charts to pass out as we speak.

[Malcontent]

What if he catches 1300 yards and the Falcons win the superbowl?

I don't think the Lelie threads would ever stop...


What if he catches a.........cold....!

This site will follow Lelie till he finally is either out of the league, or...makes his 1st pro-bowl. The latter highly unlikely. Great move Broncos Braintrust!

SAVVY!!!!:sunshine:

[baja]

From Hawaii? Wow. A stoner from Hawaii.

There is some very good herb here I hear.

[rubaiyat]

GOOOOOOOOOOO whoever plays the Redskins, but this is what we said last year too.


Well here's hoping that they make up for doing better than expected last year by being worse than expected this year.

And maybe we can activate that chip in Portis' head...

[Ballhawk]

I think the compensation is going to be something like:

If Redskins finish with a top 15 pick, Denver gets 3rd rounder
or
If Redskins finish with 16th pick or higher we can switch 1st

Edit: and since WA does not have a forth rounder, we got Atlanta's.

[doof]

There is some very good herb here I hear.

Maybe we should have nicknamed him Maui Wowy

[(Jae)]

Wow, we're going to be loaded in the draft again next year!



How many extra pics do we have now?
We probally going to stack Dline/ Saftey........

[fdf]

Guys before you freak out...READ THIS:



http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

All the Broncos need to do is to have a better record then the Skins and they get a first rounder !Booya!

It isn't very well written. But the way I read it is that, if the broncs have the better record, we swap 1st and 3rds with Wash--so we move up in both rounds.

But if our record is worse, we get their third and fourth.

Don't understand the deal. We get a much much better deal with a third and a fourth. Why should we get almost nothing if we do better? We may have the better record and end up one spot behind them.

And, what if we both go 11-5?

[orange crusher]

Wow, the one night I don't turn the tv or my computer on and everything goes down. Sounds like we got a good deal if these reports are accurate.

[NFLBRONCO]

Once they discover he has no sack he'll fail his physical tomorrow and this trade will be void.

[cabronco]

Good for you. Here's a cookie.

http://wiki.coolmon.org/files/cookie.jpg

Lol...thats funny. I am personally glad this Lilly drama is over & sounds like we got a good deal in return. Now the Falcons can have his whiney azz.

[fdf]

So basically dealing with Snyder is like going up to a 5 year old who just got a 20 dollar bill for his birthday. You promptly take out 3 crisp one dollar bills and simply state that 3 bills are more than 1 bill. The kid, Snyder, gasps with joy over the prospect that he just got three bills while he wonders what that aching pain in his corn hole was. The skins are good for a laugh and successful draft positioning. What a franchise.

Well, if the Skins are only slightly worse than us, we don't do so well on the deal. So once again, we are rooting for a complete collapse in Washington. 0-16 for the skins!

In any event, this is a good price for Lelie. We get a third plus something. I really didn't think he was worth that.

It also gives you a good idea of why our passing game sucked last year. Our starter last year isn't even going to be allowed to compete for number 2 in Atlanta, not exactly a hotbed of great receivers.

[Hulamau]

Since lelie is gone and I was going to wait till he was traded...

Some things you do not know about Lelie and some of the stuff he does off the field. For example, an anonymous source has told me that at a club after one of the games that the Broncos won. The Bronco players were out having a good time partying it up with the girls etc and Lelie was sitting at the Bar on a stool by himself just didn't say a word and was playing with his straw in a rocks glass.Lelie looked sad, he wasn't even happy after a win, he was stoned. Basically Lelie is a stoner.


Oh great, now we're gonna dive down and wallow in the same gutter gossip mongering with Morry Povich!

Its like saying:

"You know ... some one told me they saw your girlfiend out on Colfax Avenue with Tom Brady last week!" :-) And so it goes ....


Let the guy go in Peace ... we have bigger fish to fry! Good for Ash and Good for the Broncos, it worked out for everyone.

[BigPlayShay]

It also gives you a good idea of why our passing game sucked last year. Our starter last year isn't even going to be allowed to compete for number 2 in Atlanta, not exactly a hotbed of great receivers.

Because they have a Running Back that plays QB. I think it is hilarious that Lelie is going to Atlanta. It serves him right, and it sounds like the Broncos are making out like bandits again.

[Malcontent]

Because they have a Running Back that plays QB. I think it is hilarious that Lelie is going to Atlanta. It serves him right, and it sounds like the Broncos are making out like bandits again.


Say it again Shay!!!!

Phenomenal deal for Denver! Whoever orchestrated this trade is up for executive of the year!

[SoCalBronco]

this is a HUGE RAPE. If Portis's injury lingers, we could have a TOP TEN FRIGGIN PICK plus a 3rd!!! A 3rd and a 4th at worst? What is this, porno?
I have a huge hard on right now. I cant even believe that.

Good luck to you Ash. I didnt like how you vented your concerns this summer but you are still my boy and I hope you do very well.

[Clockwork Orange]

this is a HUGE RAPE. If Portis's injury lingers, we could have a TOP TEN FRIGGIN PICK plus a 3rd!!! A 3rd and a 4th at worst? What is this, porno?
I have a huge hard on right now. I cant even believe that.

Good luck to you Ash. I didnt like how you vented your concerns this summer but you are still my boy and I hope you do very well.

The details are looking kind of murky right now. There's a lot of conflicting reports out there, so it's not certain that that's what the Broncos are getting in this deal. The Denver Post article said that the language of the deal was complicated, so it looks like there'll be some sorting out to do before this deal is approved and becomes official.

Now we wait, impatiently for the final verdict.

[baja]

Say it again Shay!!!!

Phenomenal deal for Denver! Whoever orchestrated this trade is up for executive of the year!

Ya looks like we get a third round pick for the 17th pick in the draft, exectuive of the year humm

[Kaylore]

this is a HUGE RAPE. If Portis's injury lingers, we could have a TOP TEN FRIGGIN PICK plus a 3rd!!! A 3rd and a 4th at worst? What is this, porno?
I have a huge hard on right now. I cant even believe that.

Good luck to you Ash. I didnt like how you vented your concerns this summer but you are still my boy and I hope you do very well.
LOL Oh SoCal. "What is this, Porno?"ROFL!

Let's wait and see before we all pop boners about it. The Skin fans are already justifying how awesome it is, hopefully it gets better.

[Clockwork Orange]

Ya looks like we get a third round pick for the 17th pick in the draft, exectuive of the year humm

The Bears cut David Terrell and he was the 8th pick.

Besides, it looks like there's more than just a 3rd involved here.

[bpc]

I just pray that it is the 3rd round pick and flip floping 1st's if we do better. That would be so f'n sweet. I have a feeling they are going to crash and burn this season in a very tough division. They are relying on a rag armed QB? I can't wait...

[halfcreek]

this is a HUGE RAPE. If Portis's injury lingers, we could have a TOP TEN FRIGGIN PICK plus a 3rd!!! A 3rd and a 4th at worst? What is this, porno?
I have a huge hard on right now. I cant even believe that.

Good luck to you Ash. I didnt like how you vented your concerns this summer but you are still my boy and I hope you do very well.

We better not have a TOP TEN FRIGGIN PICK because that would mean that the Broncos season sucked, because we swap picks only if the records of the two teams are close. Stay tuned.:peace:

[Clockwork Orange]

The Skin fans are already justifying how awesome it is, hopefully it gets better.

Snyder could trade their next five 1st rounders for a bag of Fritos and they'd be going on about how they got the greatest bag of Fritos in history. I'm sure Snyder would have a draft chart drawn up that states that trading those five 1st rounders was really like trading five 7th rounders and that they came out ahead with the bag of Fritos.

[Ballhawk]

Ya looks like we get a third round pick for the 17th pick in the draft, exectuive of the year humm

We got a third round pick for 1/5 of the 17th pick in the draft. Lelie having only one year left on his contract was the biggest negative in trying to trade him. If he would of had 3 years left, he would have netted a 2nd a month ago.

[Malcontent]

Ya looks like we get a third round pick for the 17th pick in the draft, exectuive of the year humm

Expected more from ya Baja!! What did we get for Marcus Friggin Nash!!! Pleazzzze.

[JCMElway]

What if he catches 1300 yards and the Falcons win the superbowl?

I don't think the Lelie threads would ever stop...

Yeah, and what if monkeys fly out of my a$$?

[Broncobiv]

What about the people who are saying that the Skins don't even have a 4th rounder this year? Is that accurate? Would it have to be a 2008 4th rounder to go along with the 2007 3rd (if they finish better than Denver)?

[Atlas]

GOOD BYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE. Have fun blocking down field for Vick when he decides to scramble instead of throwing you the ball.

He went from being a 3rd reciever here to a 3rd reciever there. Sounds like the NFL has a good idea of his talent.

Not only that but he lost lots of money and now has the reputation of being a quiter and a whiner. He is a stupid piece of sh!t just like Bob. For different reasons of course.

[Malcontent]

Not only that but he lost lots of money and now has the reputation of being a quiter and a whiner. He is a stupid piece of sh!t just like Bob. For different reasons of course.


Yeah...and he wears stupid shoes!!!Ha! Ha! Ha!

[halfcreek]

What about the people who are saying that the Skins don't even have a 4th rounder this year? Is that accurate? Would it have to be a 2008 4th rounder to go along with the 2007 3rd (if they finish better than Denver)?
Garcia speculated above that perhaps the Redskins got a 4th from the Falcons as part of the deal.

[baja]

Expected more from ya Baja!! What did we get for Marcus Frigid Nash!!! Pleazzzze.

Oh I like the deal but that executive of the year comment is my issue cause it's that same executive that took Lelie with Walker still on the board.

It's a killer deal though especially if Wash tanks.

[Malcontent]

Oh I like the deal but that executive of the year comment is my issue cause it's that same executive that took Lelie with Walker still on the board.

It's a killer deal though especially if Wash tanks.



Fair enough. But the hairpiece and other draftniks all had Lelie ahead of Walker. Probably solely for his performnce against Fresneck State in that bowl game where he dominated.

Wash Tanks!!! I like that.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I think that cool million + we recouped from Lelie will come off the cap as well.....at least the signing bonus portion.

[Malcontent]

I think that cool million + we recouped from Lelie will come off the cap as well.....at least the signing bonus portion.


That needs to be negotiated, but Mike'll git-R-dun.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think that cool million + we recouped from Lelie will come off the cap as well.....at least the signing bonus portion.

Not all of it. The portion of his signing bonus that he returns should come off the cap, but the money from his fines doesn't.

[24champ]

I think that cool million + we recouped from Lelie will come off the cap as well.....at least the signing bonus portion.
Someone help me out here, this trade is complicated as it is....but regarding Lelie having to pay the Broncos money. If that gives us more cap room this year is it possible we get Grady Jackson or some other DL?

[DivineLegion]

Anyone else think Shanny is trying to target somebody in next years draft this is the second trade in a week we have worked out for draft picks...What I think is realy funny is, most teams who try to rebuild through the draft cut thier veterens and settle for a few losing seasons as they bring on young talent. Shanny is rebuilding this team through the draft and keeping the Vets that make us contenders. Genius I think so...

[Hulamau]

I think that cool million + we recouped from Lelie will come off the cap as well.....at least the signing bonus portion.


Show me the cool million + quote so far he's lost about $400,000 clams + or - 14 here or there.

[halfcreek]

It's a killer deal though especially if Wash tanks.[/QUOTE]

No, because then we tank. The issue is would we rather have Washington be between 5-7 picks ahead of us and we flip and get their 3rd, or would we rather they tanked and we get their 3rd and a 4th (2008) or a 4th they get from Atlanta?

[ludo21]

Damn fine move Shanny and Ted.

I cant believe this!!! Awesome job.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I actually think Atlanta got a good deal, giving up a guy who wasn't even going to see the field as their #3 RB for a receiver that has the ability to get downfield where Vick can find him. Lelie didn't become a complete receiver here but let's not pretend that Plummer's throwing arm and our conservative passing game last year didn't contribute to him not having a good year. Keep in mind is 2004 season he put up big stats when we were still willing to throw it deep. I think Vick can get it deep, even if he's not always that accurate.

I wonder if Clinton Portis is hurt worse than the Skins are letting on. That may be the reason they wanted Ducket...because the Skins are now running the stretch zone blocking system and Ducket's played in it and done well. I can't figure out the different trade scenarios and who knows what's true and what's not at this point, but there is one thing that bodes well for Denver regardless...

It's a trade with the Skins...;D

[SouthStndJunkie]

Not all of it. The portion of his signing bonus that he returns should come off the cap, but the money from his fines doesn't.

Hence, the reason I said......at least the signing bonus.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Show me the cool million + quote so far he's lost about $400,000 clams + or - 14 here or there.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

The Broncos are also believed to have made the trade contingent on an agreement from Lelie to pay the team just over $1 million — which would cover the fines Lelie has been assessed for missing the team's three-day mandatory minicamp as well as training camp to this point as well as a portion of Lelie's original $3.3 million signing bonus.