Yet Another Rumor

[Rascal]

Don't shoot me.

From PFW:

Jim (Atlanta): The biggest story in the NFL TODAY (tuesday...I know) is T.J. Duckett to Washington Have YOU heard anything and what do you think will happen?

SportsNation Dan Arkush: (4:36 PM ET ) As I type this, Jim, there are guys working the phones in the offices on either side of me, trying to get a read on what's going on with Duckett. About an hour ago, I heard a three-way trade was in the works ialso involving Ashley lelie of Denver. I didn't catch the other players in the mix besides Duckett and Lelie. Duckett is indeed expendable and probably would benefit from a change of scenery.

I'm guessing Lelie to Atlanta, Duckett to Washington, and ??? to Denver. Shanny is pretty adept at raping Washington in obtaining draft picks so who knows.

[Hotrod]

Wow how bad is Clintons shoulder???

[ozomulsion]

Duckett wouldn't start ahead of Betts anyway. Duckett is no better and no more powerfull than Rock Cartright. Looks like Mike Sellers will be their goalline back. He has had a steller camp.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Don't shoot me.

From PFW:

Jim (Atlanta): The biggest story in the NFL TODAY (tuesday...I know) is T.J. Duckett to Washington Have YOU heard anything and what do you think will happen?

SportsNation Dan Arkush: (4:36 PM ET ) As I type this, Jim, there are guys working the phones in the offices on either side of me, trying to get a read on what's going on with Duckett. About an hour ago, I heard a three-way trade was in the works ialso involving Ashley lelie of Denver. I didn't catch the other players in the mix besides Duckett and Lelie. Duckett is indeed expendable and probably would benefit from a change of scenery.

I'm guessing Lelie to Atlanta, Duckett to Washington, and ??? to Denver. Shanny is pretty adept at raping Washington in obtaining draft picks so who knows.


Their First round choice ? :wiggle:

[Rock Chalk]

I like Duckett. I think he is a good runner and would do well here.

That being said, Im not worried about the RB situation anymore and dont think we need to go actively looking for one.

[Ray Finkle]

Duckett wouldn't start ahead of Betts anyway. Duckett is no better and no more powerfull than Rock Cartright. Looks like Mike Sellers will be their goalline back. He has had a steller camp.


Saunders isn't high on Betts....I think Duckett would start.

[Great13]

Whatever... as long as we keep Tatum.. I'm not sold on this Mike Bell.. he's no different from Nash or Cobbs or O. Gary in my book. As a matter of fact i don't think either of those three would have run through a gaping hole untouched and been run down (easily) by two players like that. I'm still waiting on Tatum to get his two or three carries in a row on multiple occasions in one game. Save the decoy stuff for regular season.

And I'm ready for this Lelie saga to end.. I don't care what we trade him for.. he went from being one of my favorite up and comers to an after thought. And to think I was somewhat defending this fool when he first started this fiasco.

[MechanicalBull]

Was he on the phone with that Jets Insider the kid in the dorm room? Ha!

[Ray Finkle]

Whatever... as long as we keep Tatum.. I'm not sold on this Mike Bell.. he's no different from Nash or Cobbs or O. Gary in my book. As a matter of fact i don't think either of those three would have run through a gaping hole untouched and been run down (easily) by two players like that. I'm still waiting on Tatum to get his two or three carries in a row on multiple occasions in one game. Save the decoy stuff for regular season.

And I'm ready for this Lelie saga to end.. I don't care what we trade him for.. he went from being one of my favorite up and comers to an after thought. And to think I was somewhat defending this fool when he first started this fiasco.

Gary was better then Tator....he atleast one the starting job. TB does not hit the hole and my grandmother could push the pile better...

[denver5459]

Please, let the season get here soon. So all the rumors can be put to rest and we can just play some football.

[Broncojef]

Yeah can't imagine where we would have been in the play-offs last year without Tatum.

[MechanicalBull]

Maybe Philly is the other team. I would've said the Jets but they just got Barlow. Lelie to Atl, Duckett to Phil, Rayburn and Moats or 4th/5th and Moats to Den?

[orinjkrush]

oh, bring Portis back! maybe we could get al saunders? Philip Rivers? heck, maybe a NASCAR trade?

[Ray Finkle]

Yeah can't imagine where we would have been in the play-offs last year without Tatum.


I don't think that is true....other then a handful of moments, Tatum was on the sideline when the game counted...

[Rock Chalk]

I don't think that is true....other then a handful of moments, Tatum was on the sideline when the game counted...
Definately would have been 12-4 at best without Tatum last year and likely worse. I dont think MA would have done as good without being spelled by Bell on a frequent basis.

[Edskins_RVA]

Saunders isn't high on Betts....I think Duckett would start.
Actually that is not true.. Al loves Ladell! The knock on Betts is being able to stay healthy...


Ladell Betts: With Clinton Portis uncertain to play in the season opener on Sept. 11 against Minnesota, Betts is the key to the running game. Associate head coach-offense Al Saunders loves Betts's game, but Betts has been fighting a gimpy hamstring.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081801058.html

Ladell is also in the last year of his rookie contract. He's good enough be a starter on several teams, but has said publicly that he is open to staying in Washington since they gave him his first shot and look to be a team on the rise.

He is currently talking to the team about an extension. However, the Skins could be worried that he might leave or ask for too much $$ now that he has more leverage. They could be hedging their bets by looking at players such as Duckett or Davis.

I think the team is truly worried about Clinton re-injuring the shoulder sometime during the season and that Ladell might not be able to stay healthy either. In that case it might be nice to have somebody like TJ around. I love Rock, but I'm not sure he's enought to get us back into the playoffs..

[Great13]

Definately would have been 12-4 at best without Tatum last year and likely worse. I dont think MA would have done as good without being spelled by Bell on a frequent basis.

And besides one or two of Mike Anderson's 'all heart" runs Tatum could have done the dame thing.. Mike ran though some nice holes. Reggie Rivers said the same thing during the Tennessee game about Mike Bell.. the huge holes were there.

[Ray Finkle]

Actually that is not true.. Al loves Ladell! The knock on Betts is being able to stay healthy...



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081801058.html

Ladell is also in the last year of his rookie contract. He's good enough be a starter on several teams, but has said publicly that he is open to staying in Washington since they gave him his first shot and look to be a team on the rise.

He is currently talking to the team about an extension. However, the Skins could be worried that he might leave or ask for too much $$ now that he has more leverage. They could be hedging their bets by looking at players such as Duckett or Davis.

I think the team is truly worried about Clinton re-injuring the shoulder sometime during the season and that Ladell might not be able to stay healthy either. In that case it might be nice to have somebody like TJ around. I love Rock, but I'm not sure he's enought to get us back into the playoffs..

you take what the post says as accurate?......The Denver Post says that the Broncos would be happy to have Lelie back in camp.....I don't buy that either.


PS, how is Campbell doing? That well huh? It's a shame that he can not even get the back up position.....

[Ray Finkle]

And besides one or two of Mike Anderson's 'all heart" runs Tatum could have done the dame thing.. Mike ran though some nice holes. Reggie Rivers said the same thing during the Tennessee game about Mike Bell.. the huge holes were there.


Tatum would have been tripped up at the line....

[Great13]

double post

[Edskins_RVA]

you take what the post says as accurate?......The Denver Post says that the Broncos would be happy to have Lelie back in camp.....I don't buy that either.
Al has said publicly and has been recorded by numerous sports media outlets that he really loves Betts and has followed his career since High School. I just grabbed the Post link/quote because it was the first one I found...

And no, I don't normally trust what the Post publishes.. :~ohyah!:

[Great13]

Tatum would have been tripped up at the line....

You're funny man I'll give you that... but there is a VERY good cahnce Tatum would have been in the endozone. I'm just not sold on this Miek Bell character.. just like I felt MA had lost too many steps last year. I just want Tatum to get a good shot so I can evaluate him. He hardly ever gets two carries in a row.. and they are so few and far in between when he does.

[Edskins_RVA]

Jason looks good! He still needs time and experience, but will do just fine down the road..

I just want Mark to stay healthy all season and give Jason another year to learn Saunder's system and the overall speed and complexity of the game. Campbell hasn't had the same offensive system in back to back years for quite some time...

[Ray Finkle]

Al has said publicly and has been recorded by numerous sports media outlets that he really loves Betts and has followed his career since High School. I just grabbed the Post link/quote because it was the first one I found...

And no, I don't normally trust what the Post publishes.. :~ohyah!:


True but if they are in search for a RB (and they are) you really can't let teams know what you think of your current players, kind of tilts the leverage away from you.....

[Edskins_RVA]

True but if they are in search for a RB (and they are) you really can't let teams know what you think of your current players, kind of tilts the leverage away from you.....
That is also true. However these comments came from Saunders back at the beginning of trading camp so I'm not sure if they could have been "game-planning" that early in the game.. ;)

[Ray Finkle]

Jason looks good! He still needs time and experience, but will do just fine down the road..

I just want Mark to stay healthy all season and give Jason another year to learn Saunder's system and the overall speed and complexity of the game. Campbell hasn't had the same offensive system in back to back years for quite some time...


All I know is I heard rumors last year about his ability (like how he couldn't even beat out a pathetic Ramsey) and how he can't beat out Collins.....it's only an excuse for so long....Several players like Griese have had 4 or so different offenses in the last four years and you don't hear complaints about his inability to pick up the offense.....

[Rock Chalk]

I like Mike Bell, from what I have seen he runs hard, has great vision and has a lot of heart. Conversely, I like Tatum Bell because he gives the home run threat. Despite what people think around here, I think the RBBC approach is going to become more common in the NFL. We are going to keep 4 or 5 RBs on the squad anyway, if two or more can help give us a different look it gives us an advantage.

Having only one running back is fine, provided he is made of the stuff of legends and can last year in and year out, but those kind of backs are rare. Gale Sayers wasnt one, even TD wasnt one. Payton, Smith, Sanders, hell even LT possibly, these guys are truly special and rare. COmbined skill and durability that is just too hard to come by. Portis has been dinged up every year he has been in the NFL, why is it difficult to understand? Priest Holmes even proved that he wasnt the durable long lasting RB.

Best to have two or more guys capable of doing great things in your system. If one can handle the load, thats great, but better to have more than one capable of doing it IMO.

[Edskins_RVA]

All I know is I heard rumors last year about his ability (like how he couldn't even beat out a pathetic Ramsey) and how he can't beat out Collins.....it's only an excuse for so long....Several players like Griese have had 4 or so different offenses in the last four years and you don't hear complaints about his inability to pick up the offense.....
Have you watched him play any this preseason? Other than some obvious rookie mistakes (ints), he has showed some very good skills. He's shown mobility, pocket-presence, incredibly strong arm with a smooth wind-up, and the ability to see and throw to the check down when the first option is covered. He is probably #2 on the depth chart right now, but the coaches won't say publicly... Collins has looked a little iffy so far..

[BroncoSoja]

He hardly ever gets two carries in a row..

Thats probably because in this Offense we like to go forward a few yards when our back runs the ball, not out of bounds or knocked back for negative yards. Tatum Bell is just another Mighty Mouse with longer legs, and we all know what happend to him in the end.

[Ray Finkle]

Have you watched him play any this preseason? Other than some obvious rookie mistakes (ints), he has showed some very good skills. He's shown mobility, pocket-presence, incredibly strong arm with a smooth wind-up, and the ability to see and throw to the check down when the first option is covered. He is probably #2 on the depth chart right now, but the coaches won't say publicly... Collins has looked a little iffy so far..


the wife's a skins fan....I watch all the games...yes, he makes rookie mistakes but he is not a rookie and playing 3rd stringers....he is listed behind good ol' Collins because of his issue with the offense....

[SureShot]

You're funny man I'll give you that... but there is a VERY good cahnce Tatum would have been in the endozone. I'm just not sold on this Miek Bell character.. just like I felt MA had lost too many steps last year. I just want Tatum to get a good shot so I can evaluate him. He hardly ever gets two carries in a row.. and they are so few and far in between when he does.


TBell has been here for two plus years now. What else do you need to see to get a proper evaluation?? TBell definately has all the tools, he just doesn't see the cutback lane very well. Its obvious in practice and in games.
For example lets take a series in the last game. Tbell runs for 9 yards, and then gets stopped twice in a row for no gain.
As far a this Mike Bell character watch the same game. On the goaline MBell runs right and theres a LB waiting in the hole for him, and this Mike Bell character obliterates the LB for a touchdown.

[elsid13]

I have been surprised that Collins is actually taking more snaps the Campbell at this point. And after that pathetic performance on Sat, I hear Gibbs is not happy with this teams attitude. 980 reported that a lot of the players were acting like they were a shoe in for playoffs.

[Edskins_RVA]

the wife's a skins fan....I watch all the games...yes, he makes rookie mistakes but he is not a rookie and playing 3rd stringers....he is listed behind good ol' Collins because of his issue with the offense....
I see your wife has the brains in the family.. ;) :kiss:

Seriously though, the coaches have said repeatedly that there is no depth chart behind Brunell yet. From what I have seen and from the majority opinion of most of the Skins posters is that Jason has looked better than Collins so far.

Collins may have a mastery of Saunder's offense, but he hasn't been on the field much the last 5-6 years and he certainly doesn't have the arm Campbell does. Jason threw a pass off his back foot while reeling away from the rush that went 50-60 yards easy..

Collins is feeling the rush a little too much and made some really bone-headed plays in the first game. That was with the starting OL! He looked much better late in the game against the Jets. But the consensus still seems to be that Campbell is slightly ahead..

Collins might end up being a better QB coach than player..

[Edskins_RVA]

I have been surprised that Collins is actually taking more snaps the Campbell at this point.
That is probably due to Collins being ahead mentally at this point. Jason certainly has better overall skills, but still needs time and experience to be ready for full-time action. Keep in mind that he has had to learn a new offensive system every year since College. New QB's need time in the same/similar system to mature properly..

And after that pathetic performance on Sat, I hear Gibbs is not happy with this teams attitude. 980 reported that a lot of the players were acting like they were a shoe in for playoffs.
Definitely true! The coaches were mighty po'd at the team's overall poor performance last week. Apparently practice was much tougher and more focused today. Then again most of the players said they expected it. They were disappointed in themselves.. This might be good timing as it will hopefully light a fire under their arses and get the team ready to play. Nothing is for sure or easy in today's NFL..

[GonzoLays]

Actually that is not true.. Al loves Ladell! The knock on Betts is being able to stay healthy...



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081801058.html

Ladell is also in the last year of his rookie contract. He's good enough be a starter on several teams, but has said publicly that he is open to staying in Washington since they gave him his first shot and look to be a team on the rise.



Ladell can be a starter on several teams? Where, in the CFL?

Ladell is what he is -- a career backup. Why in the world is he open to staying in Washington when all he will ever be is a backup because of Portis? That's right, because that is exactly what he is -- a career backup.

[Barry Ramey]

Collins just isn't much of a QB and never really has shown to be one. It would be troubling if he peforms better than Campbell. I don't know if he is or not, but just you'd expect Campbell to be able to beat out Collins at least.

[Edskins_RVA]

Ladell can be a starter on several teams? Where, in the CFL?

Ladell is what he is -- a career backup. Why in the world is he open to staying in Washington when all he will ever be is a backup because of Portis? That's right, because that is exactly what he is -- a career backup.
Thanks for that insightful response.. :thumbsup: I'm sure you have followed him closely since he's been in the league and can back that up..

Try checking his stats or just watching him when he plays. Al Saunders did a nice job with Priest and Larry and he has said that Ladell is his Priest and Clinton is his Larry... I guess we'll see..

[GonzoLays]

Ladell Betts has carried the ball 321 times in his career according to ESPN.com. His longest run -- 27 yards. And no, he isn't a power back at 5'10and 220 pounds. If he isn't particularly big, fast, elusive or strong then most likely he is backup. Wouldn't you agree?

[GonzoLays]

Thanks for that insightful response.. :thumbsup: I'm sure you have followed him closely since he's been in the league and can back that up..

Try checking his stats or just watching him when he plays. Al Saunders did a nice job with Priest and Larry and he has said that Ladell is his Priest and Clinton is his Larry... I guess we'll see..

Put down the pipe, RVA! If you ain't smokin' then Al Saunder sure as hell is. Ladell Betts should never, ever be mentioned in the same breath as Priest Holmes. I would take a one hip Priest over a healthy Betts any day of the week.

Al Saunders said Ladell is going to be his Priest. Thats a freaking joke.

[STBumpkin]

True but if they are in search for a RB (and they are) you really can't let teams know what you think of your current players, kind of tilts the leverage away from you.....

That is why Ron Dayne is still #3 on the depth chart. They are trying to trick other teams into spending a 5th-7th rounder on him.

[12th man]

I like Duckett. I think he is a good runner and would do well here.

That being said, Im not worried about the RB situation anymore and dont think we need to go actively looking for one.
I agree. Duckett would be good here, but I like what we have here with the rb situation. Mike Bell has looked impressive except that fumble, we all know what tatum can do, and cobbs has looked good in games, and shows some nice power, and nash just looks perfect for our system with his cuts. There is no doubt in my mind that duckett would be good here, but we realy don't need him. If there is a trade involving these three teams, honestly, Im hoping it's not for duckett, but better yet some more depth on the dline.

[ozomulsion]

Thats probably because in this Offense we like to go forward a few yards when our back runs the ball, not out of bounds or knocked back for negative yards. Tatum Bell is just another Mighty Mouse with longer legs, and we all know what happend to him in the end.

Mighty Mouse averaged under four yards a carry. Tatum has a 5.3 YPC (that's really good FYI) for his career. You don't average 5.3 YPC just off of long runs. You don't know your football. How much time have you been spending on the Ravens board now that your boy Mike is on there. Why do you even post on this board and not even talk up your Ravens?

[Rock Chalk]

TBell has been here for two plus years now. What else do you need to see to get a proper evaluation?? TBell definately has all the tools, he just doesn't see the cutback lane very well. Its obvious in practice and in games.
For example lets take a series in the last game. Tbell runs for 9 yards, and then gets stopped twice in a row for no gain.
As far a this Mike Bell character watch the same game. On the goaline MBell runs right and theres a LB waiting in the hole for him, and this Mike Bell character obliterates the LB for a touchdown.
Yeah, he did get stopped twice in a row, one for no gain when the defenders were upon him right after he got the ball yet he still got back to the line and the second time he gained at least a yard, maybe two after being hit in the backfield.

Tatum did the exact same thing that Mike Bell did in your example. Pushed forward.

He wasnt doing it last year, but everything I have seen from him this year in the games indicates he is taking it to heart and is pushing FORWARD after first contact.

[GonzoLays]

Yeah, he did get stopped twice in a row, one for no gain when the defenders were upon him right after he got the ball yet he still got back to the line and the second time he gained at least a yard, maybe two after being hit in the backfield.

Tatum did the exact same thing that Mike Bell did in your example. Pushed forward.

He wasnt doing it last year, but everything I have seen from him this year in the games indicates he is taking it to heart and is pushing FORWARD after first contact.

SureShot7 got pwned!

[Rock Chalk]

I agree. Duckett would be good here, but I like what we have here with the rb situation. Mike Bell has looked impressive except that fumble, we all know what tatum can do, and cobbs has looked good in games, and shows some nice power, and nash just looks perfect for our system with his cuts. There is no doubt in my mind that duckett would be good here, but we realy don't need him. If there is a trade involving these three teams, honestly, Im hoping it's not for duckett, but better yet some more depth on the dline.
Dline and/or Oline. Foster sucks, Id rather get us a replacement for him and cut ties with the 300 lbs under acheiver who has the skill set, but apparently not the desire.

And with the injury bug already hitting the Brownco's (hmm, see * attached to their sheets), I wouldnt mind getting at least another starter material lineman to come in WHEN one of them goes down....again.

[Broncojef]

breaking one long run for 40 yards and carrying the ball for negative or no gain for the next 7 carries is way overated. As with Lelie I could care less about YAC, YPC, those stats are very misleading. I want a clutch guy that can produce when the whole world knows we need him. Just as I have no faith in Lelie over the middle on 3rd and 5, I have no confidence in Tatum during 3rd and 1. The Broncos need a back during the play-offs that can pick-up first downs and settle jake down while giving our defense a much needed rest. If Shanahan had Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell on the sidelines when we needed them most maybe that tells you what you need to know about their future here. Shanny will find his featured back eventually and its not Dayne/Tatum.

[Rock Chalk]

SureShot7 got pwned!
Please dont help.

[coachmastermind]

Wow! A true rumor! (ESPN Radio)

[El Guapo]

good call. Wish I wouldve read this an hr ago. :D

[sageone]

for Lelie....

per Jeff Legwold
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

[sageone]

for Lelie....

per Jeff Legwold
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

[olia]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

"Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks. "

You got to be kidding me....Washington is freaking stupid

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4936802,00.html

"Denver will receive Washington’s first- and third-round picks if the Redskins’ finish with a worse record than the Broncos this season and thus have a higher pick. If Washington finishes with a better record than Broncos they will then get the Redskins’ third- and fourth-round picks. "

You got to be kidding me....Washington is freaking stupid

All of those who bash Shanahan and the Broncos for their "ineptitude in personnel matters" are free to hang your heads and repent.

[Rascal]

Yet again I nail one on the head :)

[Rascal]

Don't shoot me.

From PFW:

Jim (Atlanta): The biggest story in the NFL TODAY (tuesday...I know) is T.J. Duckett to Washington Have YOU heard anything and what do you think will happen?

SportsNation Dan Arkush: (4:36 PM ET ) As I type this, Jim, there are guys working the phones in the offices on either side of me, trying to get a read on what's going on with Duckett. About an hour ago, I heard a three-way trade was in the works ialso involving Ashley lelie of Denver. I didn't catch the other players in the mix besides Duckett and Lelie. Duckett is indeed expendable and probably would benefit from a change of scenery.

I'm guessing Lelie to Atlanta, Duckett to Washington, and ??? to Denver. Shanny is pretty adept at raping Washington in obtaining draft picks so who knows.




And the raping continues.

[Ray Finkle]

Thanks for that insightful response.. :thumbsup: I'm sure you have followed him closely since he's been in the league and can back that up..

Try checking his stats or just watching him when he plays. Al Saunders did a nice job with Priest and Larry and he has said that Ladell is his Priest and Clinton is his Larry... I guess we'll see..


Funny Eds.....the talk around the skins is how they are now looking to trade Betts because of his running style (too upright)....I may be a Broncos fan but I do get some good inside info on the Skins....I was right about Betts last night and am right about Campbell....