Dead rumor via Anthony Gargano of WIP Radio in Philly

[eagles nut]

WR Ashley Lelie and RB Tatum Bell

for DT Darwin Walker, RB Ryan Moats, and 5th round pick

Don't know if he's just saying it's being discussed or if it will happen.

I'll try to find out more.

[Atlas]

Take it!!!!!!

I think Denver should get a 3rd instead of a 5th however.

[GonzoLays]

I feel an erection coming on.

[Garcia Bronco]

(GABLE!) SOLD! To the man witht he **** eating grin.

[Atlas]

Walker automatically starts next to Warren. He is a very solid DT and has about 25 sacks or so in his career.

[watermock]

NO. Not BOTH players unless Walker is some beast. Moats is 5.8 and Walker's stats have gone down since 02-03 every year. He's also under 300 pounds.

[Garcia Bronco]

It should be a 4th round pick because....ahh Tatum is a beast.

[Garcia Bronco]

(GABLE!) SOLD! To the man witht he **** eating grin.


or is it gavel? You know...after all those years of watching Night Court....I should know this.

[freak6]

Hell no. Ashley is worth more than Walker, and Moats for Tatum isn't close either. The pick should be a 2nd round. Moats wouldn't displace Nash let alone Bell or Cobbs.

[watermock]

That's not a trade, it's a fire sale. We don't need Moats. Maybe for Walker and a third. If we have our own fire sale backs, that's fine. MB, Nash and Cobbs, all off the street might turn the trick, but that trade doesn't have much value. When Sapp gets healthy, he can play tailback in a pinch as well.

[Dedhed]

or is it gavel? You know...after all those years of watching Night Court....I should know this.
I'm pretty sure it's gavel, but either way you got the important part right: SOLD!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

I just don't think Ashley gets traded. He just doesn't have any value, because whomever would have to want him long term, and why would anyone pay him when he's a trouble maker

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm pretty sure it's gavel, but either way you got the important part right: SOLD!!!!!


Btw man...what's your favorite show?

[plummershelper]

Moats has been talked about as being on the fringe lately in Philly. Thats like us trading Lelie and Dayne for Kearse and Westbrook. Well maybe not that bad, but it's them trading a weak 5th, a smallish fumble prone rb on the bubble, and a DT on the decline ready to be replaced by a 1st round pick. Sounds like too much convenience for the eagles. I would however take Lelie and Bell for Walker and Trent Cole and a 5th. Both immediately upgrade the Dline while Philly gets 2 offensive game breakers. The deal, as earlier written, would be a fleecing of redskin proportions.

[BroncoMatt]

as much as I want Ashley to go to philly, adding Tatum is too much. I'll trust my adopt a bronco to do the right thing

[GonzoLays]

Who could be against this trade? We are trading a guy who will never suit up for us and a backup runningback for a starting DT. Where do I sign up?

[broncogary]

I'll try to find out more.

Exactly how big is an eagle's nut? Hilarious!

[Rock Chalk]

Thank God this is just a rumor.

We dont need another rotational DT and a fumble prone RB. A 5th round pick? Are you kidding me?

This deal blows in every way imaginable. I wouldnt give Lelie alone for both those castoffs and the 5th much less Tatum included.

[WABronco]

I'm opposed to trading Tatum, but if we can get a solid DT in return I may consider it.

Moats would give us a legit change-of-pace threat, which is all that Tatum has shown he can be to this point (albeit a very good one). If Mike Bell is entrenched as the starter--which he's very much on his way to doing--then perhaps it's in the team's best interest to use one of our RB assets to spread more talent to areas of greater need.

Just off the top of my head, I'd say Walker is a similar player to Demetrin Veal...quick, disruptor type. He's a nice player...

In all honesty though, I don't see Shanny making this deal. I think he would much rather prefer to trade Lelie alone, but that obviously depends on his opinion of Tatum's potential in this system. I think I'll trust Shanny's judgement either way...

[Rock Chalk]

Who could be against this trade? We are trading a guy who will never suit up for us and a backup runningback for a starting DT. Where do I sign up?
A rotational DT. He is no better than the depth we already have. As for the "backup RB" bit, Tatum will see a hell of a lot more carries this year for someone than Moats will in his entire career.

[plummershelper]

Tatum is worth much more having him as a part of this offense than as a part of a trade for a rotational DT and a marginal rb. I choose Tantrum, I mean Tatum.

[eagles nut]

I probably jumped the gun on posting this. All of this is based on one guy at the Philly.com message board posting he heard Gargano say this. I haven't been able to find any other details/confirmation. The talk about Moats being on the fringe is all the talk of Eagles fans who want to cut him after one fumble in a preseason game. He was a 3rd round pick last year. He's not getting cut.

[(Jae)]

HELLLLL NOOOO.

Tatum and Leile??

Who the heck do they think Darwin Walker is? Marcus Stroud??
I live in Philly, so I see him on a regular basis.
Dont be fooled by his Madden rating.

and Moats and 5th round pick?
lol, c'mon, we already have about 3 Ryan Moats here already.

[rovolution]

I say no, just because we need Tatum as insurance for Mike Bell. If M. Bell goes down, i dont feel comfortable with Nash, Cobbs, or even Dayne for that matter.

[Atlas]

Denver doesn't need moats. Assley and Tatum for Walker and a 3rd. Sign me up.

[denver5459]

Don't like the deal. We need to keep Tatum around. Our other running backs are unproven.

[BroncoFanatic]

Lelie > Walker, and Tatum >>> Moats, so this is a very bad trade for us.

[sirhcyennek81]

Change Walker to Patterson or Kearse, and switch Moats for westbrook, and you have a deal.


:Broncos:

[plummershelper]

http://forums.philly.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-eagles&msg=36597.1&ctx=1

http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=369832

Here's what Eagles fans are saying. They even admit that Denver would be screwed on that deal.

[(Jae)]

Change Walker to Patterson or Kearse, and switch Moats for westbrook, and you have a deal.

:Broncos:

In other words, when Hell freezes over............

[Drek]

Walker isn't any real upgrade over Myers if you ask me. I'll pass on that deal. Bell alone is worth more than that whole package.

I think we should hold onto Tatum, he was a valuable contributor as the #2 RB last season, we'll need that even more this year since we'll have a rookie starting, not a vet.

I'd personally rather see us just hang onto Lelie than take a bath on him, doing so would set a bad precident.

[WABronco]

Walker isn't any real upgrade over Myers if you ask me. I'll pass on that deal. Bell alone is worth more than that whole package.

I think we should hold onto Tatum, he was a valuable contributor as the #2 RB last season, we'll need that even more this year since we'll have a rookie starting, not a vet.

Yea...I have to say I agree with you here. Let's wait and see what we can turn up once cut-down days pass.

[eagles nut]

Lelie>Walker????

Don't kid yourselves.

[sirhcyennek81]

In other words, when Hell freezes over............


Yes. I would rather keep Lelie and Bell if they offer Walker and Moats. RB is not an issue for this team. Not when the offseason starter (dayne)is in danger of getting cut.


:Broncos:

[BroncoBuff]

Sounds like the deal I was pimping while Bunkley held out ...

Lelie, Tatum and a 4th rounder for Brodrick Bunkley

[phillybroncosnut]

Who could be against this trade? We are trading a guy who will never suit up for us and a backup runningback for a starting DT. Where do I sign up?


I'm Dead set against this deal. Starting DT? Walker is not a top 2 DT for Philly and he won't start for Denver either.
Tatum is probably the backup, we agree, but, Moats won't even be the #3 in Denver.

Frankly, Lilly can rot at this point. I dont even think he's an upgrade to this team if he woke up tomorrow and came to practice. I'd rather cut Lilly, sign Grady Jackson as depth then trade Lilly and Tatum for a backup DT and a number 4 RB.

[BroncoBuff]

No way ....

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5374/1111vy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SoCalBronco]

Nope.

Insufficient compensation.

I want a 2 and a 4.

[BroncoBuff]

Ashley for Walker straight up.

I can live with that.


Al Wilson played behind Walker at Tennesee ("behind" as in MLB behind DT)

[WABronco]

Sounds like the deal I was pimping while Bunkley held out ...

Lelie, Tatum and a 4th rounder for Brodrick Bunkley
That's not close to being a realistic trade scenario...not that it matters in the grand scheme of things anyways.

[WABronco]

Ashley for Walker straight up.

I can live with that.


Al Wilson played behind Walker at Tennesee ("behind" as in MLB behind DT)
Ditto. Ashley for any starting caliber DL does it for me...that or a top rotational guy.

[Dedhed]

http://org-www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/ILBJNEOLJEDC/walker1_stats_06.jpg

[SportinOne]

I doubt this is the exact trade that is being kicked around.. maybe all of these factors were discussed at one point or another but i just don't think anyone would do this from our point of view.

Now if they want to trade Lelie for that DT and a late pick i'm all for it... but please... we're not giving away our only PROVEN halfback for another Q Griffin and a 5th rounder.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

F that. If Denver is willing to trade Bell, then it means they like what they have at RB. They're not going to take one back because it will either be a downgrade or a lateral move at best. Moats in this case would be a downgrade. Denver's not getting enough back from Philly to justify what they're giving up, even if Lelie will never suit up again for the Broncos.

[BroncoBuff]

That's not close to being a realistic trade scenario.
Well, I was pimpin' it while Bunkley was holding out the first 2 weeks of camp ... when Philly was first mentioned with Lelie. And I agree, I think a 4th or maybe 3rd wouldda been more realistic ... but Tatum and Lelie are serious home-run hitters. I think both #1 in avg. per carry/catch.

[Dedhed]

F that. If Denver is willing to trade Bell, then it means they like what they have at RB. They're not going to take one back because it will either be a downgrade or a lateral move at best. Moats in this case would be a downgrade. Denver's not getting enough back from Philly to justify what they're giving up, even if Lelie will never suit up again for the Broncos.
I have to agree here. I love the Walker part of the trade, but the Bell end doesn't make sense unless Moats has insane return skills or something. Even then???

[watermock]

http://org-www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/ILBJNEOLJEDC/walker1_stats_06.jpg

He had big sack years in 02-03 but has trailed off. I would trade Ms. Lilly for Walker no problem, straight up.

[theAPAOps5]

I am leery about trading Tatum. Maybe, and I say maybe, trade him next year if Mike Bell ends up not being a flash in the pan. But you can't trade based on 2 preseason games. That just doesn't seem like something Shanny would approve unless M. Bell is that high on his list. Tatum just has that homerun threat. You give him one more year and see what happens. Plus it is becoming more and more apparent that NFL teams are successful running the 2 back system. Lessens the reps and lets you change things up.

[Barry Ramey]

No way should they deal Tatum until Cobbs and Nash prove they can do the job against starting type players and not the backups and guys that won't make teams they've been going against so far.

[BroncoSoja]

Who could be against this trade? We are trading a guy who will never suit up for us and a backup runningback for a starting DT. Where do I sign up?
I have no clue either. But then agian this is the TatumMane, these people think Tater walks on water and ****. Like I said before, I could even run through the holes Tatum did last year. Make the trade.. Just get something else besides a damn RB though, we have way to many as it is.

[Steve Sewell]

Why the hell would be trade a guy who's going to give us 800 yards and 5 TD's this season? Not to mention, that he's 1 unlucky injury from being our starting running back...

[BroncoSoja]

Why the hell would be trade a guy who's going to give us 800 yards and 5 TD's this season? Not to mention, that he's 1 unlucky injury from being our starting running back...
Because he can be replaced..

Incase you've be hiding under a rock for the past 8 years, its been proven anyone can be productive behind our Oline... Seems everyone knows this but people in Denver.

[BroncoFanatic]

Lelie>Walker????

Don't kid yourselves.
Absolutely Lelie > Walker
Lelie 2005 highlights (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-fan4k5Zj8)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Because he can be replaced..


So which other back has the speed to score everytime he touches the ball? Sure as hell isn't Mike Bell.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Lelie>Walker????

Don't kid yourselves.

Try this:

Bell>Walker
Lelie>Moats and a 5th

The only Philly rumor where there seemed to be equal value was Lelie for Rayburn and a 3rd, everything else has favored the Eagles by a fair amount.

[BroncoSoja]

So which other back has the speed to score everytime he touches the ball? Sure as hell isn't Mike Bell.
Nash

And I think we have been through this arguement a few years ago when everyone and there mother (but me a very few others) we all over very quick very fast Mighty Mouse's nutsack while I said MA and RD would be the ones to carry the load.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Nash

4.58 40. How about no?

[Kaylore]

I can't wait until these Lelie threads are gone forever. How many permutations of trades have we seen here? It seems endless and none of them ever happen. Shanahan is holding the cards and nothing is going down until either right before final cuts or well into the season when some playoff team loses their primary receiver to injury and gets really desperate.

[24champ]

So which other back has the speed to score everytime he touches the ball? Sure as hell isn't Mike Bell.
Speed is not really a factor in this running system.

[Clockwork Orange]

I can't wait until these Lelie threads are gone forever.

I'm right there with you.

[WABronco]

I have no clue either. But then agian this is the TatumMane, these people think Tater walks on water and ****. Like I said before, I could even run through the holes Tatum did last year. Make the trade.. Just get something else besides a damn RB though, we have way to many as it is.
I doubt you could average over 14 yards per carry on sweeps though...

[WABronco]

Nash

And I think we have been through this arguement a few years ago when everyone and there mother (but me a very few others) we all over very quick very fast Mighty Mouse's nutsack while I said MA and RD would be the ones to carry the load.
Nash is over 220 right now. He didn't show anything close to Tatum-speed in his debut (but it was impressive nonetheless).

[theAPAOps5]

Absolutely Lelie > Walker
Lelie 2005 highlights (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-fan4k5Zj8)
Wow I don't see how you can say that. Those clips are highlights, thats it. Javon at worst is = to Lelei. Lelei disappears in games sometimes and then reemerges every now and then to have a great quarter, half, and sometime a game. Walker has proven that he makes all the catches and we wouldn't even be having this discussion if he had not been hurt last year.

WOW I AM AN IDIOT -- You would think it would register in my mind it was the Eagles Walker

[plummershelper]

He's talking about Darwin Walker, not Javon

[BroncoSoja]

I doubt you could average over 14 yards per carry on sweeps though...

I dont know I run a 4.47 40 :P

But your probably right though I am only 5-10 and 180 lol.



blah who cares make the trade we need freaking DL help in a bad way and both Lelie and Tot are expendable :wiggle:

[-Slap-]

This trade is a joke, obviously. We're giving up roughly twice the value we're getting back.

Not to mention, Walker has an abdominal strain or rib fracture, or some such bull****. (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-08102006-695988.html)

[watermock]

Man...damaged goods and a RB on the bubble and a late draft pick? I absolutely am dumfounded some people are GO on hypothetical dream trade some talking head dreamed up.

Yeah, a mid first rounder healthy, and a very high second round, healthy RB for cracked ribs and a fat midget on the bubble.

[Steve Sewell]

Because he can be replaced..

Incase you've be hiding under a rock for the past 8 years, its been proven anyone can be productive behind our Oline... Seems everyone knows this but people in Denver.
Your response was unneccessarily abrasive, but I'll respond anyway...

There are very few RB's in the league with Tatum's speed and ability to go all the way on any given play. As we saw last year, dude did spot duty and almost broke 1000 yards and put up 8 TD's. Can Dayne do that? Can Nash do that? Can Moats do that? The answer is abolutely not.

[Paladin]

As originally stated, that would suck bloody balls. That trade would be a screw job for Denver. Tatum Bell is a breakaway back, and there is no way he should be traded. Period.

I think Lelie for Walker and a fifth might be okay. If Walker doesn't work out, at least the Broncos get the fifth. If Walker can play, okay, then he might give the Broncos one or maybe two years before he moves off to the Great Aerie in the Sky.

Generally, no thanks for this clusterf**k of a trade. This sounds like something Matt Millen would do.

[Florida_Bronco]

Nash

And I think we have been through this arguement a few years ago when everyone and there mother (but me a very few others) we all over very quick very fast Mighty Mouse's nutsack while I said MA and RD would be the ones to carry the load.

You gotta be kidding me. Nash hasn't done anything in the NFL yet and after 1 preseason game you want to take him over a fairly proven commodity in Tatum Bell?

Also, you should take a closer look around here, because lately Tatum hasn't been getting much love.

[Atlas]

Walker isn't any real upgrade over Myers if you ask me. .
In 8 seasons and 107 games Myers has 12 sacks

In 7 seasons and 72 games Walker has 21 sacks

[WABronco]

In 8 seasons and 107 games Myers has 12 sacks

In 7 seasons and 72 games Walker has 21 sacks
I'm not sure if Walker fits the bill however, now that I think about it. He has a poor rep as a power tackle, run stuffer, block-eater type of player...which is what Coyer's scheme calls for. Well, unless he'll actually make good on his "turn 'em loose" comments...he really should as this is his 3rd or 4th try.

[Atlas]

Try this:

Bell>Walker
Lelie>Moats and a 5th

The only Philly rumor where there seemed to be equal value was Lelie for Rayburn and a 3rd, everything else has favored the Eagles by a fair amount.

What you are failing to understand is that Lelie isn't playing for the Broncos. Walker and Moats are currently playing for the Eagles and producing. How do you expect to get true value for Lelie when he isn't even in camp?

[-Slap-]

In 8 seasons and 107 games Myers has 12 sacks

In 7 seasons and 72 games Walker has 21 sacks
So, your point is Myers is more durable?

[Rascal]

Replace Dayne with Tatum and I'd do it.

We have to get rid of Lelie before roster cuts, as there are simply to many talented WR's on our team and Shanny wouldn't want to cut one to have them snagged up by another team because Lelie is holding out. Plus with Nash and Cobbs playing well lately Dayne is expendable.

Outside Warren our DT's are very thin, and Walker is slightly better then Myers IMO. Not excited about Moats though. Fifth is a wash.

[Clockwork Orange]

How do you expect to get true value for Lelie when he isn't even in camp?

Because the Broncos don't have to trade Lelie. They can let him rot on the inactive list if they don't get a deal that's to their liking. They're not going to trade him just to trade him.

[Willynowei]

Lmao @ everyone saying we're giving up too much for Darwin Walker. If he came in Denver he'd be the best D-lineman here, though thats not saying much. Anyone thinking Warren is some allpro is either dillusional or needs to take their homer glasses off for a second.

Darwin Walker along with Corey Simon was one of the main reasons Philly was so successful years ago. He's 29, but he's got atleast half a tank of gas left. Watch some Philly games for once before commenting on his "stats" and how he's injured or "on the decline".

Guy has a motor, plays hard, swallows up the run and gets a very nice push in the passing game. He is certainly a great pickup for Denver who is lucky to get anything out of the sorry excuse of a wideout they're shopping around and the only running back Mike Shanahan has not turned into a 1,000 yard + rusher (900 lol).

Dead weight players for a starter on the weakest part of the team? Looks like a great trade to me.

[Willynowei]

Because the Broncos don't have to trade Lelie. They can let him rot on the inactive list if they don't get a deal that's to their liking. They're not going to trade him just to trade him.

And I'm sure this just sky rockets Lelie's value right?ROFL!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What you are failing to understand is that Lelie isn't playing for the Broncos. Walker and Moats are currently playing for the Eagles and producing. How do you expect to get true value for Lelie when he isn't even in camp?

What you fail to understand is that Lelie would be an immediate starter for the Eagles, and that gives him value, while Moats would be nothing more than someone in the mix with Cobbs and Nash. Dumping Lelie simply to do it does not help the Broncos in the long run.

[Clockwork Orange]

And I'm sure this just sky rockets Lelie's value right?ROFL!

No, it means that the Broncos aren't dealing from a position of weakness, despite Lelie's holdout.

I can explain in greater detail if that concept still escapes you.

[SoCalBronco]

Just fork over a 2 and a 4, Andy, stop dicking around.

[Willynowei]

So, your point is Myers is more durable?

I live in Jersey, lots of philly fans here and I get to see Walker in action on a consistent basis. The guys good. He's productive. He doesn't just create sacks, he gets pressure. At one point Walker and Simon were hyped up the way Jacksonville's tackles are. Big, Strong, athletic. I doubt this trade takes place, but its a suprise to me that the people on this board, which i consider to be knowledgeable football fans would react the way they have.

[Willynowei]

No, it means that the Broncos aren't dealing from a position of weakness, despite Lelie's holdout.

I can explain in greater detail if that concept still escapes you.

Hence the sarcasm, Denvers not dealing in weakness but they are trying to deal out garbage; thus, they can only expect garbage back.

[-Slap-]

And I'm sure this just sky rockets Lelie's value right?ROFL!
I've watched a lot of Philly games over the last five years and you overrating this guy. If Walker is such a force, why did Philly use their last two first round picks, (along with 6th and 7th rounders) on defensive tackles the last two years?

[Clockwork Orange]

Hence the sarcasm, Denvers not dealing in weakness but they are trying to deal out garbage; thus, they can only expect garbage back.

So Lelie's garbage? News to me. We've got people on this board who'd have you believe that if not for Plummer, Shanahan and Kubiak, he'd be better than Randy Moss.

Lelie has some value. Not the kind of value that the Broncos are reportedly trying to get, but more than teams have been offering in trade.

I agree with the stance the Broncos are taking. They're not going to trade him just because he wants to be traded. They're going to get something that helps the team in exchange or he's going to spend the season sitting on his couch eating Doritos.

[Willynowei]

I've watched a lot of Philly games over the last five years and you overrating this guy. If Walker is such a force, why did Philly use their last two first round picks, (along with 6th and 7th rounders) on defensive tackles the last two years?

Probably because they lost Corey Simon. I never said Walker was spring chicken either. Eagles also grabbed a pair of rookies to eventually start in place of their cornerbacks Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent a few years ago. Does that indicate either of them as bad D-backs? On the flip side, instead of drafting talent, eagles looked for FA help at the D-end position, with Darren Howard and Javon Kears; seems to me they draft in areas that need depth and look for veterans in the positions they need badly (a certain Wideout comes to mind)

[Atlas]

What you fail to understand is that Lelie would be an immediate starter for the Eagles, and that gives him value, while Moats would be nothing more than someone in the mix with Cobbs and Nash. Dumping Lelie simply to do it does not help the Broncos in the long run.

I don't like the deal if Moats is part of it.

Walker and a 3rd for lelie and Bell.

Walker would be an immediate starter for Denver

[Willynowei]

So Lelie's garbage? News to me. We've got people on this board who'd have you believe that if not for Plummer, Shanahan and Kubiak, he'd be better than Randy Moss.

Lelie has some value. Not the kind of value that the Broncos are reportedly trying to get, but more than teams have been offering in trade.

I agree with the stance the Broncos are taking. They're not going to trade him just because he wants to be traded. They're going to get something that helps the team in exchange or he's going to spend the season sitting on his couch eating Doritos.

Never said i disagreed with the Broncos stand, I was just pointing out that people shouldn't expect much in a trade involving Lelie. I know what you mean by the lelie lobbiests who consider him a mistreated receiver though! lol.

I guess Garcia had the rocket arm to get Owens all those TDs, and Tommy Maddox was instrumental in creating the weapon that is Hines Ward. Anyways, I'm simply saying that Walker for lelie would be a positive trade that i would support.

[freak6]

lmao @ people considering this deal.

[69bronco]

If Walker is such a force, why did Philly use their last two first round picks, (along with 6th and 7th rounders) on defensive tackles the last two years?
Thats what i was thinking. Why do they need to be so stacked at dt and so weak at WR. I don't care about hank baskett or any other sensation they think they have, philly's offense is garbage and if i had anything to do with the trade i would say F philly and thier lop sided trade for tatum

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700

Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.

Wow. Just, wow.

[69bronco]

How many young untested RB's do we need?

[ludo21]

Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700

Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.

Wow. Just, wow.


ahhhh crap!!! Moats? Does that mean this crappy trade could be true?

Why are we wanting him?

[BroncoSoja]

Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700

Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.

Wow. Just, wow.


Blah I dont buy that crap.. Why the hell would we be interested in another freaking RB with the full house we already have. We might be interested in dealing Lelie and possibly Tater but I wont be for no freaking Moats...


Well it better not be anyways.

[watermock]

Tell me this is a bad dream. I think the Eagles are more interested in taking out the trash than Denver is interested in a bubble RB. MB, Cobbs, Nash and Dayne were all taken off the street for no compensation whatsoever, and we are supposed to give them our high second round WR who has no injury history for a 5-8 bubble player and a DT on the downside with broken ribs and thrown in Tater? That isn't going to happen. That's a wet dream.

[watermock]

Let's ride it out till Ms. Lilly owes the IRS and commits Hari-Kari. I don't care honestly. He's not going to be able to afford a bag of doritos soon.

[Denver724]

I know the Broncos were high on Moats during the draft. In fact, I remember listening to Peter King on ESPN radio after the draft and he said that the Broncos had their eye on Moats. Philly picked him and the Broncos ended up with the Clarett.

[freak6]

Let's ride it out till Ms. Lilly owes the IRS and commits Hari-Kari. I don't care honestly. He's not going to be able to afford a bag of doritos soon.

AHHHH!!!

I'm quoting Moc... NOOOOOO!!!!

But I agree... NOOOOO!!!!

I think we have enough depth and we are not going to get a starting DE or DT from ANYONE for this crybaby WR. The best thing I think we can get is a draft pick. Another rotational DL, we got plenty of those.

The Falcons season could be DRAMATICALLY changed with the pickup of Lelie, I think we could get them to mortage the future in the form of a 2nd rounder for Lelie.

[SoCalBronco]

Remember, Shanny was very complimentary re: Moats after his draft. Not unlike the way he was with Barlow. Let me see if i can find that article.

[SoCalBronco]

Remember, Shanny was very complimentary re: Moats after his draft. Not unlike the way he was with Barlow. Let me see if i can find that article.

Ok, here is one reference.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/mediaroom/clippings/April%2027-30,%202005.pdf#search=%22%22bill%20williamson%22%2 0and%20'ryan%20moats%22%22

Scroll down to Page 17 (it is a Peter King column) at the bottom of the page, it references how we liked Moats.

[watermock]

If we need to sweeten the pot with Tater Tot it just shows how pathetically far Ms. Lilly's stock has dropped.

We also liked Cobbs.

[ClevelandBronco]

What other teams' fans fail to understand is the simple fact that it doesn't matter what Lelie's value is to their teams. The Broncos will sit on his contract until they get their price, not someone else's (or until Ashley is a ghost). They'll sit on it this year, and if the idiot fails to report this season, they'll sit on it into next year as well.

Lelie is left swinging in the wind. The FO will (I hope) never allow a player like Lelie to dictate the course of his future.

Unless, of course, he wishes to dictate his retirement at a very early age.

[ozomulsion]

You gotta be kidding me. Nash hasn't done anything in the NFL yet and after 1 preseason game you want to take him over a fairly proven commodity in Tatum Bell?

Also, you should take a closer look around here, because lately Tatum hasn't been getting much love.

You have to understand, BroncoSoja hates Tatum. He thinks we can replace him with Nash who has played in ONE preseason game. That says it all right there. He obviously doesn't read this board very often or he would realize there are more neg. posts on Tatum than there are positive. He jumps on about once or twice a month, blasts Tatum or Plummer and leaves.

[Killericon]

Please dear god...

[watermock]

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

Here is the draft chart. If Lelie is even worth a 4th and Tatum a 3rd, we should get a high second. (assuming around 10 for philly)

But remember, these players are not draft picks, they are healthy veterans, worth more than a wish and a prayer on draft day. Let's just get a high second for Tater and Lelie and move on. They can throw in Mr. Broken Ribs too.

That would make the deal. Or even their 3rd at this point. Walker and their 3rd for Tater and Lelie and they come out fine. We lick our wounds.

[BroncoSoja]

You have to understand, BroncoSoja hates Tatum. He thinks we can replace him with Nash who has played in ONE preseason game. That says it all right there. He obviously doesn't read this board very often or he would realize there are more neg. posts on Tatum than there are positive. He jumps on about once or twice a month, blasts Tatum or Plummer and leaves.
Actually I jump on during Football season blast Tater and St. Plummer and leave after Football season, get it right..I also bashed Mighty Mouse(who everyone here was drolling over) and I Hop when they were here and was dammed proud of it.

[eagles nut]

This leads a little more credence to this rumor.

From today's Philadelphia Inquirer:

"There's been talk for weeks that the Denver Broncos like Moats a lot, so it's not inconceivable that he could be dealt for wide receiver Ashley Lelie, especially if Todd Pinkston isn't able to recover from the foot problems that have slowed him the entire preseason."

[Dedhed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhVWfAsk8o4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im0T77tXu2o

[DrFate]

I see the :homer:s are out in full force.

Lelie basically has no value. People are fooling themselves if they think we will get a day 1 pick.

Tatum is a situational back (until he learns to break a tackle and catch a pass).

Why Maners think we can get premium value for this duo is curious.

[BroncoFanatic]

Tatum has more value to us than he would get in a trade, IMO.

Lelie might not have a high market value, but with our WR depth, we can let him sit, though if he takes up a roster spot, we should trade him, maybe package in Dayne.

I don't think we need Moats, our RB corps is looking good.

Best case scenario, we get DL depth for Lelie, but the trade rumor posted by OP is ridiculously one-sided in favor of Philly

:deadhorse

[MechanicalBull]

I know the whole it doesn't matter what running back we have Shanahan will make them great, but I would not trade Tatum at all unless we have a legit starting rb coming back in return via this trade or another like Thomas Jones for example.

Mike Bell, Dayne, Nash, and Cobbs all have done absolutley nothing so far in the NFL, so I would not trade my only proven running back who got close to 1000 yds doing part time work and averages over 5 ypc.

Lelie and Tatum for an aging DT, back up RB, and a 5th. I'll pass on that deal for now. I've always said to trade Lelie to Philly for one of their DTs, but adding Tatum to the mix then no.

[Drek]

I see the :homer:s are out in full force.

Lelie basically has no value. People are fooling themselves if they think we will get a day 1 pick.

Tatum is a situational back (until he learns to break a tackle and catch a pass).

Why Maners think we can get premium value for this duo is curious.
Tatum is a situational back who damn near broke 1K yards last season in a situational role (how many RBs do that?), and if anything we'll be more in need of depth this year with a rookie starting.

Lelie's value is debatable, but giving him away basically free of charge doesn't solve a damn thing and sets a bad precident that will just lead to more problems down the road.

Walker is a has been pass rushing DT who is a shell of his former self. We need a hole stuffing DT that can free Warren to do his thing now that he's moving to the rushing tackle spot. That never has been or ever will be Darwin Walker. Myers fills that role for us better than Walker can because he'll go out every sunday and fill gaps that keep blockers off other more dangerous guys.

Moats would have a hard time getting a PS assignment from us over Nash if you ask me. He doesn't know the system, would be joining us part way through camp, and hasn't been burning up the field playing for Philly. With Mike Bell, Cobbs, Nash, and Dayne all on the roster still what makes us even want Moats?

My bet is some talking head is throwing **** out and other papers are grabbing onto it hoping to make the Philly fans feel like Andy Reeves still has a clue and isn't just busy sucking McNabb off, praying that some scrub WR emerges. Lelie will either be holding out well into the regular season or we'll ship him to a team willing to meet Shanahan's price.

[watermock]

All those runs were Chefesque tackling. Every one of those long runs it was like they were out of some video game, or water on a duck. Horrible tackling and slow LB's to the edge does not a RB make.

I don't think we need a RB but there might be more fire than smoke here than we thought.

[Broncojef]

As far as I'm concerned Tatum has done nothing to deserve the love he gets here. We are a solid D-Line away from a SuperBowl run. Get rid of the cancer Lelie and whatever pieces parts that we won't use and lets get on with life. Tatum and Dayne are clearly not the RBs of our future and after watching them last year I'd rather have another solid DT (Walker, Rayburn) and give Mike Bell and Nash a shot. Lelie will alone will not give us the player we need on "D".

[fontaine]

As far as I'm concerned Tatum has done nothing to deserve the love he gets here. We are a solid D-Line away from a SuperBowl run. Get rid of the cancer Lelie and whatever pieces parts that we won't use and lets get on with life. Tatum and Dayne are clearly not the RBs of our future and after watching them last year I'd rather have another solid DT (Walker, Rayburn) and give Mike Bell and Nash a shot. Lelie will alone will not give us the player we need on "D".

I don't know why you're down on Tatum but so far he's panned out as one of the best RBs in his respective draft class. There's no doubt that he has deficiencies in his game but at worst he's one of the best backup RBs in the league. Anytime you can get a RB off the bench who gained 1000 all purpose yards last year along with 8 TDs and 5.1 average per clip, consider your RB depth to be great.

He's not TD, Portis etc but he's still a very good player who won some games for us last year and great insurance.

Mike Bell could very well turn out to be Q (I hope not) but if he does have more problems with fumbling or gets injured then we'll be kicking ourselves for trading Tatum.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I say no, just because we need Tatum as insurance for Mike Bell. If M. Bell goes down, i dont feel comfortable with Nash, Cobbs, or even Dayne for that matter.
Not realy paying any attention to trade rumors anymore. Only thing I want to say is that if Shanny feels comfortable with the RB's to look at this then its fine. If he feels that Tatum would be better of as trade bait let him go. All of us have opinions but none of us crank out a 1k back every year out of nothing.

[Broncojef]

I don't know why you're down on Tatum but so far he's panned out as one of the best RBs in his respective draft class. There's no doubt that he has deficiencies in his game but at worst he's one of the best backup RBs in the league. Anytime you can get a RB off the bench who gained 1000 all purpose yards last year along with 8 TDs and 5.1 average per clip, consider your RB depth to be great.

He's not TD, Portis etc but he's still a very good player who won some games for us last year and great insurance.

Mike Bell could very well turn out to be Q (I hope not) but if he does have more problems with fumbling or gets injured then we'll be kicking ourselves for trading Tatum.

I'm not really down on him just not excited. Neither he or Dayne was there when it mattered the most in the play-offs. I think we can get any back to do what he did and if he or Dayne along with Lelie can get us help at DT I think we are a much better team. I like having the homerun threat in Tatum but would prefer a more durable back that can be counted on during 3rd and 1's and doesn't fall down everytime he's touched. With or without Tatum, I'm kinda indifferent to him....eh...

[BroncoInferno]

Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700

Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.

Wow. Just, wow.

If Shanny trades for Moats, that means he will be good in our system. Shanny has earned the benefit of the doubt at that position. Still, they need to throw in a 4th or 5th to even it up.

[bendog]

Here's Moats nfl.com analysis coming out of school. Sounds like Tater's. LOL

Moats is a jitterbug type of runner with excellent quickness through the rush lanes. The Western Athletic Conference Offensive Player of the Year comes from a football family, as brothers Jason (Harding University), Edward (Texas Tech) and Brandon (Texas A&M, Commerce) all suited up and were on the football field last year.

Moats was a three-time letter winner at Bishop Lynch High School, helping to lead the team to the district title in 2001. He was named the Dave Campbell Texas Private School 2001 Player of the Year. Moats added first-team all-state (private school) honors and received the Dominic Award for demonstrating leadership abilities. He ran for 2,646 yards, 33 touchdowns and 9.2 yards per carry as a senior. Moats closed out his career as Bishop Lynch's all-time leading rusher with 4,782 yards and 56 touchdowns. He also ran track.

Moats appeared in every game for Louisiana Tech as a true freshman in 2002. He appeared mostly on special teams, returning a blocked punt four yards and four kickoffs for 75 yards. In limited carries on offense, he totaled 38 yards on 12 runs and caught six passes for 74 yards while serving as caddy for All-WAC running back Joe Smith.

With Smith having graduated, Moats took over the starting job in 2003 and responded with 1,364 yards and 10 touchdowns on 199 carries (6.5 avg.). His 1,364 yards rank third on the school's season-record list. He also snatched 27 passes for 251 yards (9.3 avg.) and a score to earn All-WAC first-team honors.

The WAC Player of the Year had a banner season in 2004. He led the conference and ranked seventh in the nation in rushing, despite missing all but three plays of the Auburn contest with a right ankle sprain. Moats set school season-records with 288 carries for 1,774 yards and 18 touchdowns, topping the previous marks of 281 attempts by Derrick Douglas (1989), 1,351 yards by Jason Davis (1991) and 17 scores by Arry Moody (1976). His 1,890 all-purpose yards set another Tech record, as he added 116 yards and a score on 15 catches.

In 34 games with the Bulldogs, Moats started 22 times. He finished with 499 carries for 3,176 yards (6.4 avg.) and 28 touchdowns. His 499 runs rank seventh on the school's all-time record list. Only Jason Cooper (3,342 yards, 1991-94) gained more yards rushing in a career at Tech. His 28 scoring runs are surpassed only by Moody (36) and Charles McDaniel (52, 1971-74). He also caught 48 passes for 441 yards (9.2 avg.) and two scores, adding four yards on a blocked punt and 75 yards on four kickoff returns. Moats totaled 3,696 all-purpose yards as a Bulldog.


ANALYSIS
Positives: Has a stout build, with broad shoulders, thick thighs and smooth skin … Shows suddenness coming out of his stance … Has a quick initial burst and suddenness to gain advantage … Accelerates through the holes, doing a nice job of keeping his feet while working through traffic … Picks and slides with ease in the hole, displaying a proper feel for the cutback … Doesn't create much on his own, but makes good adjustments on the move … Has the speed to reach the corner and the acceleration to go the distance with the ball … Picks his feet up through the trash and has the speed to elude once he gets into the secondary … Adequate pass catcher who is used mostly on flares, flats and seams … Has a good work ethic in the weight room … Even though he is undersized, he has enough leg drive to break tackles and shows fluid lateral agility to elude once he gets into the open … His excellent short burst will usually see the initial tackler miss … Has very good success turning the corner, showing the second gear to easily elude linebackers and safeties.

Negatives: Not an inside power runner, but compensates with his ability to pick and slide through the trash … Not a vocal leader, but lets his actions talk for him (good team player) … Needs to do a better job squaring up, mirroring and exploding into defenders … Has decent hands, but struggles maintaining concentration going for the pass (hears defenders' footsteps) … Can extend and pluck the ball at its high point, but prefers to cradle and double catch, resulting in easy drops … Runs with the ball too low and exposed, which has resulted in a very high amount of fumbles (16) and turnovers (8) in the last two years.


INJURY REPORT
2004: Missed more than three quarters of action when he left the game early in the first quarter with a right ankle sprain.


AGILITY
COMBINE: 4.49 in the 40-yard dash … 2.63 20-yard dash … 1.59 10-yard dash … 4.10 20-yard shuttle … 11.13 60-yard shuttle … 7.22 three-cone drill … 36-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-9 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 19 times … 31½-inch arm length … 8 7/8-inch hands.


HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Bishop Lynch (Dallas, Texas) High School, playing football for coach Gary Oliver … Three-time letter winner, helping to lead the team to the district title in 2001 … Named the Dave Campbell Texas Private School 2001 Player of the Year … Added first-team all-state (private school) honors and received the Dominic Award for demonstrating leadership abilities … Ran for 2,646 yards, 33 touchdowns and 9.2 yards per carry as a senior … Closed out his career as Bishop Lynch's all-time leading rusher with 4,782 yards and 56 touchdowns … Also ran track.

[BroncoInferno]

No, it means that the Broncos aren't dealing from a position of weakness, despite Lelie's holdout.

Not really. Lelie is a guy whose contract expires after this season anyway. That makes it tough enough to get equal value, but the further into the preseason we get, the lower the value is going to go. This is because Lelie will have little time to learn a new system before the start of the season.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

It's too soon to trade Tatum away. Another year or two in the "system" so he can have the chance to shine a little and make a name for himself - and then the Broncos can ship him out for Ed Reed.

I could see a Moats and a 5th for Lelie happening. Getting another starting DT is pretty juicy, but I don't know that Denver could do it with just Lelie and some scrubs.

[fontaine]

I'm not really down on him just not excited. Neither he or Dayne was there when it mattered the most in the play-offs. I think we can get any back to do what he did and if he or Dayne along with Lelie can get us help at DT I think we are a much better team. I like having the homerun threat in Tatum but would prefer a more durable back that can be counted on during 3rd and 1's and doesn't fall down everytime he's touched. With or without Tatum, I'm kinda indifferent to him....eh...

I agree that we can find replacements but not this late in the season. If we get rid of Tatum then we have a bunch of unkowns in Mike Bell/Cobbs/Nash. No guarantees there.

I'm not even going to count Dayne in the equation because he won't make the roster and flat out sucks.

I think it's too early to count out Tatum Bell. His improvement has shown in camp and he's splitting carries with Mike on the first team so it's not like he's out of the race. Also Tatum brings experience and some insurance to the position in case of injuries and whatnot.

Put it this way, Mike Bell can reach his peak this season but he still won't be half the back Tatum Bell can be if Tatum just improves in his durability and inside running. let's give him a chance to see how much he's improved. If Tatum can do that then you've got a Clinton Portis clone and a franchise back. You just don't trade away something like that so easily when he counts virtually nothing against the cap.

I agree that we need inside help but if we're that desperate, then it makes more sense to trade away Lelie + a future pick + Dayne instead of trading away a player who's going to get around 150+ productive touches this season for us.

[Orange_Beard]

Why would we want Moaps?

This sounds like one of those crazy fan trades, Denver should also throw in 2 number 1's and Al Wilson.

[BroncoInferno]

Doesn't Moats do some returning as well? That would add to the attraction given that we are unsettled there.

[BroncoBen]

I know the whole it doesn't matter what running back we have Shanahan will make them great, but I would not trade Tatum at all unless we have a legit starting rb coming back in return via this trade or another like Thomas Jones for example.


But that is whole point about Tatum Bell, he is the only Running Back Denver has that has 'Trade Value'. You figure he had nearly 1000 yards last season, to me that is 'proven' runner.

The Broncos might be able to get a #2 pick, but they want a 'proven' player, someone who can contribute immediately.

I can’t see Tatum Bell being dealt this season, maybe next year if Mike Bell proves he can carry the load.

[bendog]

Why would Den want Moats? MBell, Cobbs, Nash and Dayne are all slow. Moats looks like he might be a decent 3rd down/change of pace back. I think there's some logic to the rumor. Looks to me right now that Dayne's on the verge of getting cut, and I think Nash is PS eligilble and he might slip through as a late cut. Powers-Neal ... I dunno that he's that great a FB prospect, and Sapp can play TB too.

[Orange_Beard]

Why would Den want Moats? MBell, Cobbs, Nash and Dayne are all slow. Moats looks like he might be a decent 3rd down/change of pace back. I think there's some logic to the rumor. Looks to me right now that Dayne's on the verge of getting cut, and I think Nash is PS eligilble and he might slip through as a late cut. Powers-Neal ... I dunno that he's that great a FB prospect, and Sapp can play TB too.


If it is just about speed, why not keep Tater?

Can moaps return Kicks and punts?

[BroncoInferno]

If it is just about speed, why not keep Tater?

Can moaps return Kicks and punts?

Moats was also considered a decent receiver coming out of college, so that would give us more of a true 3rd down back than Tatum.

[Orange_Beard]

Moats was also considered a decent receiver coming out of college, so that would give us more of a true 3rd down back than Tatum.


Tatum is a Game Breaker. I can't see swaping a guy who has proven he can go all the way anytime he touches the ball, for a guy who is a better receiver.

[baja]

Doesn't Moats do some returning as well? That would had to the attraction given that we are unsettled there.

That's what i'm thinking too.

[BroncoInferno]

Tatum is a Game Breaker. I can't see swaping a guy who has proven he can go all the way anytime he touches the ball, for a guy who is a better receiver.

Moats has burst, too; he average 5.1 yards a carry last season. Granted, that was on limited carries, but the speed is definately there.

[Hotrod]

Im torn on this one to be honest. I very much want another DT or DE but not sure about throwing Tater out of town. Whats this guy about is he a pass rusher....run stopper....bench protector???

[BroncoInferno]

That's what i'm thinking too.

Yeah, I wonder if anybody knows what (if any) kind of history he has as a returner?

[fontaine]

The Egirls have Buckhalter who won't stay healthy and Brian Westbrook who can't stay healthy.

And yet their still willing to trade Ryan Moats. That should tell you all you need to know about him. He's trash and I can't believe this rumour has spawned a six page thread.

I blame Lelie!

:thumbsup:

[Jason in LA]

I just don't think Ashley gets traded. He just doesn't have any value, because whomever would have to want him long term, and why would anyone pay him when he's a trouble maker

You hit it right there. Who ever trades for him won't give up much because he could up and walk after a year. And he won't sign a long term deal because at this point he can't ask for big money. Who ever trades for him won't offer him big money. They'll try to low ball him.

Knowing this is the situation, teams won't give up much for him. Based on his talent, he should have good trade value. But his trade value is very low because of this situation.

[watermock]

It's too soon to trade Tatum away. Another year or two in the "system" so he can have the chance to shine a little and make a name for himself - and then the Broncos can ship him out for Ed Reed.

I could see a Moats and a 5th for Lelie happening. Getting another starting DT is pretty juicy, but I don't know that Denver could do it with just Lelie and some scrubs.

Why would we trade for a RB? That would give us the two bells, tater, cobb, Nash, Dayne and the midget. 7 pegs don't fit into a square hole that fits three.

Unimportant factoid of the day: They actually would pound a square peg into a round hole using cyprus in the olden days. It had much greater holding power and the cyprus would compress and make an extremely tight fit. They would bevel the end of the square peg to get it started and pound it in. The compression made a much tighter fit than a round peg (cypres is a soft wood that withstood rot). If you see a piece of furniture doweled like that, even if crude looking, buy it. (unless it's in some stupid overpriced store that allready knows it's value.) Mock is a bit of a purveyor of antiques and such as clocks.

[BroncoBuff]

We should coax "Big Daddy" Dan Wilkinson out of retirement for one more year ...

He could play in a four-DT rotation, and have an excellent shot at a ring. He's an A+ durable, run-stuffer.

[Arkansas Bronco]

We should coax "Big Daddy" Dan Wilkinson out of retirement for one more year ...

He could play in a four-DT rotation, and have an excellent shot at a ring. He's an A+ durable, run-stuffer.
Little to late he is playing for Miami.

[bendog]

come on, Darwin Walker is a decent player. This is probably all bs, but Den is a dline from having a real superbowl contender. They've got 3 more than decent looking young prospects, plus Dayne. Tater's been told waht he needed to do to get the top job, and he didn't do it. And, now he's pissed at other people. He's a decent player, but I didn't see him moving the pile very much last weekend, and that's what he's gotta do. Shanny's gonna run the ball 55-59% of the time, and he wants consistent pile pushing. The home run's great, and they'll come, but a guy Consistently has to take the plays where there's nothing there and plow ahead for positive yards. Tater isn't that guy, or hasn't been up til now.

[watermock]

We don't need 7 backs plus Sapp. That's 8 backs! Dayne is gone or on IR, but that still leaves us with 5 if you don't count Sapp.

It makes zero sense. If they want that midget, just trade Tater for him. It doesn't cure the Lelie problem.

[bendog]

ok I'll bite. Name them mock.

[watermock]

TBell, MBell, Dayne, Nash, Cobbs, Sapp and Moats.

Ok, 7.

[DBroncos4life]

Yeah, I wonder if anybody knows what (if any) kind of history he has as a returner?
He did but it wasn't much.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/moats_ryan

4.49 40 time.

[bendog]

Sapp will actually stick at the second FB spot. Dayne's not looking too good. You're really looking at MBell, Cobbs, Nash and Tatum. Nash is PS eligible, and they need a RB on the PS for depth. The trade's too good to be true - two malcontents who aren't starters for a guy who's better than Myers and scat back possibility.

[wolf754life]

i don't like that trade at all, not enough value.............

[Paladin]

Since when has Tater been a "trouble maker?" Why are people trying to rationalize this trade? Isn't going to happen since the Eagles are looking at another fellow who is a free agent. Stephan Davis, I believe.

Now, if they are so hard up for backs, why trade Moats? I guess I should stay away from this thread because it makes as much sense as Bush, which isn't much at all....

[BroncoBuff]

Little to late he is playing for Miami.
Really?! Oh, man ... we screwed up there. He would be PERFECT for this roster.

Big mistake ... http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/team/roster/playerBio.asp?docid=21643

[JCMElway]

The Egirls have Buckhalter who won't stay healthy and Brian Westbrook who can't stay healthy.

And yet their still willing to trade Ryan Moats. That should tell you all you need to know about him. He's trash and I can't believe this rumour has spawned a six page thread.

I blame Lelie!

:thumbsup:

I blame Griese! :yayaya: :thumbsup: :yayaya:

[Arkansas Bronco]

Sapp will actually stick at the second FB spot. Dayne's not looking too good. You're really looking at MBell, Cobbs, Nash and Tatum. Nash is PS eligible, and they need a RB on the PS for depth. The trade's too good to be true - two malcontents who aren't starters for a guy who's better than Myers and scat back possibility.
If he is going to the PS then he need to stop running so dang good in games.

[JCMElway]

Since when has Tater been a "trouble maker?" Why are people trying to rationalize this trade? Isn't going to happen since the Eagles are looking at another fellow who is a free agent. Stephan Davis, I believe.

Now, if they are so hard up for backs, why trade Moats? I guess I should stay away from this thread because it makes as much sense as Bush, which isn't much at all....

Quoted for truth!!! Spot on Paladin.

[MechanicalBull]

Since when has Tater been a "trouble maker?" Why are people trying to rationalize this trade? Isn't going to happen since the Eagles are looking at another fellow who is a free agent. Stephan Davis, I believe.

Now, if they are so hard up for backs, why trade Moats? I guess I should stay away from this thread because it makes as much sense as Bush, which isn't much at all....

I don't like this trade either but if the rumors are true that they are willing to trade Moats because they would be getting a better back in return. You are also right about them bringing in Stephen Davis. He will be in Philly either today or tomorrow to get a look.

I bet in Madden you can almost get Tomlinson for Lelie and Tatum :rofl: so we should hold out for a better deal. :wiggle:

[broncsyanks]

ouch this rumor hurts. IMHO i think that mike is putting up a shade about the mike bell situation. yes he is good but i would be more inclined to trade dayne then bell. his explosive speed is what is awesome. he just needs to be taught to run between the tackles. also i saw when mike bell broke it the other night that he was caught real qiuck thats when he went out of bounds. that is something there.
now if he was to be included in a trade. why in the hell would we ask for another back back??
god if we dont already have enough.
and if mike bell truely is the starter we have dayne and those others. if they would pull any trade like that i would strongly suggest getting a serious pass rusher to compliment our weakness in our defensive line. yes we are great against the run but now lets get pass rushers. we cant live and die with the blitz

[Jagrego]

You hit it right there. Who ever trades for him won't give up much because he could up and walk after a year. And he won't sign a long term deal because at this point he can't ask for big money. Who ever trades for him won't offer him big money. They'll try to low ball him.

Knowing this is the situation, teams won't give up much for him. Based on his talent, he should have good trade value. But his trade value is very low because of this situation.

And that is also the problem. The Denver knows Lelie is as good as gone. Denver would like to get something, anything for Lelie rather than let him walk away with no compensation. I bet there are teams out there who are already offering Lelie a deal for next season (unofficially). Beyond getting some money for the fines incurred by Lelie, Denver will not get anything in return for Lelie. If Denver wants compensation for Lelie, it will be a low round draft pick at best. Remember how the Nuggets let Mutombo leave town without compensation? Thats just bad business.

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Incredible photo Jagrego!!

Welcome to the OM


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=5932&dateline=1156272507


On the rumored trade only way this might make since is if the coaches like the DT and Moots is pegged as a return man and even at that this trade seems highly unlikely to me, this is way one sided even with the 5th thrown in.

[phibacka31]

how bout if we traded Lelie and a draft pick for D. Walker and K.cole DE

[BroncoBuff]

You hit it right there. Who ever trades for him won't give up much because he could up and walk after a year. And he won't sign a long term deal because at this point he can't ask for big money. Who ever trades for him won't offer him big money. They'll try to low ball him.

Knowing this is the situation, teams won't give up much for him. Based on his talent, he should have good trade value. But his trade value is very low because of this situation.
Wow ... good point. In the endless cacophony that has been Ashley discussions, that's the first I've seen that point made.

[SpringStein]

Beyond getting some money for the fines incurred by Lelie, Denver will not get anything in return for Lelie. If Denver wants compensation for Lelie, it will be a low round draft pick at best. Remember how the Nuggets let Mutombo leave town without compensation? Thats just bad business.

apples & oranges. If he leaves us after this year we will get a comp pick. At worst it would be a 4th rounder. (Obviously this isn't all that simple. We would have to lose more than we sign during the offseason, but theoretically we could get a relatively high comp pick.)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason in LA
You hit it right there. Who ever trades for him won't give up much because he could up and walk after a year. And he won't sign a long term deal because at this point he can't ask for big money. Who ever trades for him won't offer him big money. They'll try to low ball him.

Knowing this is the situation, teams won't give up much for him. Based on his talent, he should have good trade value. But his trade value is very low because of this situation.

This exactly I am shocked he does not report and play he has long past exhausted his good trade options. This has really blown up in Ashlie's face. He is risking his football future at this point.

[BroncoSoja]

Mike Bell, Dayne, Nash, and Cobbs all have done absolutley nothing so far in the NFL, so I would not trade my only proven running back who got close to 1000 yds doing part time work and averages over 5 ypc.




People like you still dont seem to get it. What did TD do before he came to Denver, What did OG do before he came to Denver, What did MA do before he came to Denver, What did RD do before he came to Denver....Do you see the trend here? Its the system we have here, we can make any back great as long as he shows some burst and tackle breaking ablity. And if there in the NFL chances are these backs are talented enough that they will have some burst and tackle breaking ablity.

For the love of god you could take some kid out of High school and he probably could make some yards running behind our line.

Tatum is expendable, in this system we dont need a track star in the back field. What we do need is a guy that can constantly move the chains, fight for first downs, power through in goal line situations (you do know we are not the best team inside the 20 the past several years or even close), PROTECT the QB on passing downs, not go down on first contact. All of these things are needed in this system and Tatum has shown he doesnt really have any of that.

[rbackfactory80]

Javon Kearse for Lelie straight up plus Javon agrees to restructure his contract to a million a year after incentives. Thats as fair a deal as you will find.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL...yeah, that's real fair.

[Steve Sewell]

People like you still dont seem to get it. What did TD do before he came to Denver, What did OG do before he came to Denver, What did MA do before he came to Denver, What did RD do before he came to Denver....Do you see the trend here? Its the system we have here, we can make any back great as long as he shows some burst and tackle breaking ablity. And if there in the NFL chances are these backs are talented enough that they will have some burst and tackle breaking ablity.

For the love of god you could take some kid out of High school and he probably could make some yards running behind our line.

Tatum is expendable, in this system we dont need a track star in the back field. What we do need is a guy that can constantly move the chains, fight for first downs, power through in goal line situations (you do know we are not the best team inside the 20 the past several years or even close), PROTECT the QB on passing downs, not go down on first contact. All of these things are needed in this system and Tatum has shown he doesnt really have any of that.


"People like you" seem to act like a dick everytime they respond to a post. We're talking about trade value based on production. We don't want the Broncos to take a bath on a trade for our backup RB.

[bpc]

There's been talk for weeks that the Broncos like Eagles RB Ryan Moats a lot, so it's not inconceivable that he could be dealt for wide receiver Ashley Lelie. -- Philadelphia Inquirer

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/08/22/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

I'm not against Moats... I thought he was a hell of a player in college. We all must come to the realization that Shanahan is just understanding that Bell will never be a #1 back in this offense. Bell has been stomping his feet on and off about why he isn't the starter... this will only continue. Maybe we make the move and let him go on his way so he can potentially start in Philly. I doubt it, he is the Trung Candidate of Denver. He has amazing physical attributes, no football instincts.

I don't know enough about Walker personally to give my oppinion. If we are lacking in one area though, it would be DT. Philly can spare some depth now because of Bunkley.

I do however think we would be getting something better than a 5th round pick. I think that is crap for what we are offering. I would hold out for a 2nd or 3rd at least!

[BroncoInferno]

We are not going to get equal value for Lelie. He's just not in a good position. Usually when guys holdout for a trade in the final year of a contract, they are already an established player and the trading team doesn't mind working out a new deal. But, no one is going to give Lelie a big contract at this point, and I doubt he'd settle for the type of middling contract teams would likely be willing to offer. So, basically, the team making the trade is looking at potentially a one year rental if Lelie doesn't work out. No one is going to give up a whole lot under these conditions, as Jason pointed out. Lelie's value is as high as it's going to get. I guess we could let him sit to prove a point, but I'd just assume we take the best offer and roll on. I'm in the camp who'd rather get something out of this than try and prove some point.

[rbackfactory80]

LOL...yeah, that's real fair.

Oh its definitely legit, maybe if we want to take less value then Lelie's worth we could instead do a straight up Lelie for Dawkins. We would definitely be getting the short end of the stick though.

[Northman]

or is it gavel? You know...after all those years of watching Night Court....I should know this.


Such a great show.

[azbroncfan]

Assley and Tater for kearse and walker

[eagles nut]

Kearse for Lelie?

Kearse and Walker for Bell and Lelie?

I want some of what every you guys are smoking.

More like Lelie and a 5th for Walker.

[baja]

"People like you" </b>seem to act like a dick everytime they respond to a post. We're talking about trade value based on production. We don't want the Broncos to take a bath on a trade for our backup RB.

Except there are not many like the Soja!

[Wes Mantooth]

only problem is its a dude

[MechanicalBull]

People like you still dont seem to get it. What did TD do before he came to Denver, What did OG do before he came to Denver, What did MA do before he came to Denver, What did RD do before he came to Denver....Do you see the trend here? Its the system we have here, we can make any back great as long as he shows some burst and tackle breaking ablity. And if there in the NFL chances are these backs are talented enough that they will have some burst and tackle breaking ablity.

For the love of god you could take some kid out of High school and he probably could make some yards running behind our line.

Tatum is expendable, in this system we dont need a track star in the back field. What we do need is a guy that can constantly move the chains, fight for first downs, power through in goal line situations (you do know we are not the best team inside the 20 the past several years or even close), PROTECT the QB on passing downs, not go down on first contact. All of these things are needed in this system and Tatum has shown he doesnt really have any of that.

Yes you have some points there and the system has worked and it hasn't worked. Not me but Lots of people on here have been saying Dayne is great for the system and he will be huge this year. The guy went from #1 on the depth chart to #3 in the blink of an eye. I know that the system makes a lot of rbs but that doesn't mean that I don't care who we have, I still want a proven guy in the backfield.

Bell averages over 5 ypc and got close to 1000 yds last year without getting that many carries. I don't think Bell is great but I also don't think he is a back you can just throw away in a trade with Lelie for an aging DT, back up RB, and a 5th. I loved Clinton Portis when he was here, but when I heard the rumors of getting Champ and a 2nd in return I was all for the deal because we were getting value back in return and a position we desperatley needed in DB.

[Antilles]

Kearse for Lelie?

Kearse and Walker for Bell and Lelie?

I want some of what every you guys are smoking.

Sometimes it's hard to differentiate between jokes and real posts. I mean, not in this thread, but sometimes.

[Dedhed]

Btw man...what's your favorite show?
I have to go with Highgate, VT in '95 because it was the better of the only two shows I saw live. Not the Dead at their best by any stretch, but I'll take live Dead any time.

It's so tough to pick my favorite because moods change, but May 15, 1970 at the Fillmore East always sticks out for me. It has it all. 1977 is my favorite year, but I may be partial b/c it was the year I was born. They do sound great in '77 though.

Listening to 5/3/77 at the Palladium in NY as I write this. Quality is a little faded, but it's a solid show. PEGGY-O!

[Atlas]

Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700

Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.

Wow. Just, wow.

I have to think that that was before the Titan's game. Denver is rock solid at RB.

[Play2win]

I have to go with Highgate, VT in '95 because it was the better of the only two shows I saw live. Not the Dead at their best by any stretch, but I'll take live Dead any time.

It's so tough to pick my favorite because moods change, but May 15, 1970 at the Fillmore East always sticks out for me. It has it all. 1977 is my favorite year, but I may be partial b/c it was the year I was born. They do sound great in '77 though.

Listening to 5/3/77 at the Palladium in NY as I write this. Quality is a little faded, but it's a solid show. PEGGY-O!

Ithaca '77 (soundboard)... Call it Cornell, if you want... But its true, anything from '77 is top-notch... ;D

[rbackfactory80]

Ithaca '77 (soundboard)... Call it Cornell, if you want... But its true, anything from '77 is top-notch... ;D

5/8/77 Barton Hall Great show

[JCMElway]

Well, I guess this thread is offically dead.

[DivineLegion]

What if we send them Bell for Darwin Walker...There is still hope.

[Dedhed]

Well, I guess this thread is offically dead.
You mean 'Gratefully Dead'.

One of the all time great shows here:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-05-15.early-late.sbd.97.sbeok.shnf