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Vegas_Bronco

08-20-2006, 11:43 PM

Great Article for the Broncs bandwagon

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5889940

Plummer quietly having good camp
Associated Press
Posted: 4 hours ago

DENVER (AP) - For a guy who led the Denver Broncos to the cusp of the Super Bowl seven months ago, Jake Plummer sure has had a quiet camp.

Almost all the attention has been on prized rookie quarterback Jay Cutler, who is drawing rave reviews for his arm strength and accuracy but who will be carrying a clipboard when the regular season begins in three weeks.

Plummer will be the one carrying the franchise's hopes of winning its first title since John Elway retired with two rings following the 1999 season.

Plummer has calmly gone about his business of incorporating a new receiver (Javon Walker) and running back (Mike Bell) into the highly efficient offense he ran so impeccably last season while adjusting to the departure of offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, who left to coach the Houston Texans.

Entering his 10th NFL season, Plummer said he's had fun flying under the radar but coach Mike Shanahan bristled when asked about his starting quarterback quietly having a solid first month of practice.

"Not quietly from my standpoint," Shanahan said following Plummer's stellar start in the Broncos' 35-10 rout of Tennessee on Saturday night.

Plummer completed 6 of 8 passes for 97 yards, including a 35-yard scoring strike to tight end Nate Jackson on fourth down, for a nearly perfect passer rating of 154.7.

His only blemish was his ill-advised attempt to motor through linebacker David Thornton while trying to score on a scramble to the pylon in the second quarter, the type of reckless decision that Shanahan almost entirely vanquished from Plummer's stockpile last season.

"He's played pretty well. He executed the offense very well, and the only thing I told him down on the 2-yard line was throw that ball away if it's not there, or get in there and slide early," Shanahan said. "You don't want him to take a shot if he doesn't have to."

With newcomers Walker, David Kircus and Brandon Marshall all showing promise at various times during training camp, Plummer doesn't appear the least bit concerned that recalcitrant receiver Ashley Lelie, the NFL's leader in yards per catch the last two seasons, is holding out to try to force a trade.

Plummer said he's getting more comfortable with throwing the ball to players other than Rod Smith, who had three grabs for 38 yards in his 2006 debut Saturday night.

"I mean, Rod's as good as they get. I know I can throw the ball to him," Plummer said. "But seeing a guy like Kircus step up, or like Nate stepping up on a big fourth down, that's always nice."

And he can't wait to start putting the ball in Walker's hands on a regular basis, too.

"You know, I would like to get the ball to Javon," Plummer said. "We didn't get the looks to go his way, and that's what we have another preseason game for."

Walker is coming off a knee injury that sidelined him almost all of last season in Green Bay. Dealt to Denver on draft day, Walker has been back to his spectacular self at training camp.

Still, he was eager to do it in a game so he could get that all-important first hit to prove to himself and others that he's fully recovered from the torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee that required two surgeries.

Shanahan said he tried to get Walker a throw toward the end of his 20-play stint with the regulars but the coverage rolled his way and Plummer made the right read in not forcing it to the former Pro Bowl receiver.

"We're disappointed he didn't catch a ball," Shanahan said. "Maybe he will next week."

Rock Chalk

08-20-2006, 11:50 PM

No one wants to hear about Plummer. He sucks. All he has done is lose games for us.

Oh wait. no he hasnt.

12th man

08-20-2006, 11:51 PM

Plummer is going to have a great year. He has two pro bowl wr's to throw to now and good depth after that, not to mention sheff. He is realy going tear it up this year.

penguintheory

08-21-2006, 12:00 AM

This is good stuff...

watermock

08-21-2006, 12:25 AM

Rocket Man is third in the NFL in passing yards for the first two weeks of preseason with 291 years and a respectable 111.7 rating.

Jake is dragging his ass in yards with only with only 130 yards...hell he's not even on the leader board. (sarcasm). He has a little better rating of 137.5 Ha!

It's only mid preseason but WHOOT! We haven't even been playing Rod much and Javon even less. It's just to exebition games but those are gaudy ratings.

azbroncfan

08-21-2006, 12:27 AM

Did you guys know Plummer has a 2-1 INT rating since coming to Denver, More wins than any other QB not named Brady or manning, Been selected to PROBOWL, Denver Broncos td's in a season record. ???

ludo21

08-21-2006, 12:55 AM

JAke is the man.

:notworthy

I cant wait till the season starts for this guy to show his stuff for real.

Popps

08-21-2006, 02:32 AM

He looked damned near flawless, as he looked most of last year. I expect another great season from him.

freak6

08-21-2006, 02:51 AM

He looked damned near flawless, as he looked most of last year. I expect another great season from him.

I expect a solid regular season from him as well. But what is gonna happen when the chips are down? For what it's worth it is our defense that has failed us in the playoffs the last 3 trips. Then again Jake really did choke with those 2 picks vs Pittsburgh, just terrible throws.

What is the point of making the playoffs if you can't do anything when you get there.

Jake Plummer and the Broncos offense has to improve in 2 areas.

1. 3rd downs. Jake is terrible in 3rd and long. I used to doubt it, but it really is true. Our 3rd down efficiency was close to the bottom of the league last year.

2. Red Zone. We left way to many points on the board last year. This year we need to score 7 and put the pressure on the other teams offense making it easier for our defense ala the 98 team.

Jake had a great preseason game vs the lowly Titans. Jay Cutler showed it doesn't take much. But again we sucked on 3rd down, going for it on 4th downs only because it was the preseason and wet.

Jake better watch out on the fake stretch left, play action bootleg to his right. Kubes might just have Mario Williams ready to clean his clock. I truly hope Shanny takes that play completely out of the gameplan.

watermock

08-21-2006, 03:01 AM

He also broke Elway's yardage total in 2004. He just has a propensity to try to do too much at times. Look, I was surprised as anyone when we took Cutler, but he's a real specimen. Let the best man win...NEXT year. The thing is we rolled 12m in dice, and might wind up with the same vex as San Diego with two starters. Difference is Jake isn't injured and he's much older than Jay. I'm still livid about Reeves drafting Maddox when Elway was Jakes age.

Jake had a 154.7 passer rating last game.

loborugger

08-21-2006, 08:42 AM

Shhh... Knock that off.... We are busy annointing Cutler as the next chosen one... No one wants to hear positive stuff about Plummer. START CUTLER NOW!!!

plummershelper

08-21-2006, 08:56 AM

Mock, speaking of Broncos near the league lead in the preseason, Cedric Cobbs is 2nd in rushing. How bout that for the dark horse?

broncosteven

08-21-2006, 10:21 AM

He needs to get it done in real games against tougher competition. Look at who we faced this PS. Lions & Titans...

Rock Chalk

08-21-2006, 10:32 AM

He needs to get it done in real games against tougher competition. Look at who we faced this PS. Lions & Titans...
This is why i havent gotten excited at anyone's performance.

Next week is no better with Houston.

broncosteven

08-21-2006, 10:33 AM

This is why i havent gotten excited at anyone's performance.

Next week is no better with Houston.

Shanny must have had Bowlen Pick this schedule to rest guys up.

Vegas_Bronco

08-21-2006, 10:44 AM

The truth in all of this is our ultimate destiny - qb contraversy heading into next year. Cutler will be ready by next year to start ultimately leading to a huge dilemna of what to do with Jake Plummer. Reminds me of Brees and Rivers situation. Should be fun to watch the whole thing play out. Personally I think Jake had the best year possible last year and his numbers should look equally as good this year, he has twice the talent at the WR position and a great aresenal of TE's - no reason he shouldn't do at least as well as 2005. But, all of this said, the qb position battle will grow exponentially if he does have a great year and leads us to the playoffs - the key to this whole season for Jake and Cutler will be what we do once and if we've made the playoffs. Donk fans - we're in a great situation here!!!

watermock

08-21-2006, 10:46 AM

Our preseason schedule is pathetic. I think Houston will be at least respectable this year, maybe win 6 or 7. They HAVE to fix that line tho. There is one other QB that constantly got the snot kicked out of him, in the SEC. Rocket Man just snapped a finger back in while calling the play. He took a beating in the SEC and would just dig out the sod in his facemask and put his shoulder pads back under his jersey. Don't let the boyish looks fool ya. Jay is tough.

watermock

08-21-2006, 10:51 AM

We are in a great situation, and unlike Lelie, Jake never shunned Jay, he befriended him. I've said this before, but it's worth repeating...we made Jake a QB he never would of developed into many places. When it's time for Jake to ride off, he's not going to be having the door hit him in the ass. I honestly think we will try to trade him to a team he's comfortable with, or possibly just grant his release. The way he played Saturday against an arguably bad team, he looks like he's not giving up like a certain SOB from a few years ago.

obediah

08-21-2006, 12:41 PM

Great Read, Glad not everyone is blinded by Cutler's Rookieness, if there is such a word.

Obediah

Orange_Beard

08-21-2006, 12:44 PM

We goy VERY lucky that Plummer stayed healthy last year.
If we had to go w/ BVP, there would have been no home play-off game or even a play-off game at all.
Shanny looks to have filled a major hole at back-up QB and set things up for the future.

The Big E

08-21-2006, 12:56 PM

You have to like the QB situation this year. Jake has stayed pretty healthy during his time in Denver, and now you have to feel good about what will happen if he goes down. If he's out an extended time, he may never get his job back.

There's good reason to be excited about Cutler, but with him already being annoited to the HOF, how in the hell is he going to live up to the expectations? What if he ends up with the same level of success as Plummer, and not Elway? Elway still casts a very long shadow in Denver.

obediah

08-21-2006, 01:01 PM

DeusExManning

08-21-2006, 01:01 PM

What if Jake throws for a 154 passer rating all year, and wins the super bowl. Do we play him for one more year?

obediah

08-21-2006, 01:03 PM

Of course they play him next year, he would have earned it, even by bringing us the AFC title.

Obediah

OrangeShadow

08-21-2006, 01:14 PM

maybe this is what he needs,the attention to be on culer so he can just kind of go under the radar. we shall see

-Slap-

08-21-2006, 01:47 PM

Rock Chalk

08-21-2006, 01:59 PM

What if Jake throws for a 154 passer rating all year, and wins the super bowl. Do we play him for one more year?
I think the answer is yes.

If Jake improves that much and we win a ring this year, then Cutler only benefits by having two years to learn under a guy that is playng lights out and by the third year he would fully know the system, Jake will have two rings and can ride off into the sunset either to another team or retirement.

Everyone would be happy and Cutler would have two rings as well before even starting his legendary career ;D

Orange_Beard

08-21-2006, 02:22 PM

What if Jake throws for a 154 passer rating all year, and wins the super bowl. Do we play him for one more year?

Of course.... How could you replace a QB with a 154 rating and a ring.
I don't care if Jesus is the back-up.

epicSocialism4tw

08-21-2006, 02:30 PM

Blueflame

08-21-2006, 02:35 PM

Dont get me wrong i am excited for Cutler's future and hopefully one with the Broncos, but i just think its mind blowing that people think a rookie should replace a vet,, I guess im just tired of all the Jake bashing coming from everywhere including the Broncos fans.

Obediah

Y'know, I really haven't seen much Plummer-bashing at all lately. Being excited that a very promising young QBOTF is on the roster backing him up isn't the same thing as dissing the guy who's gonna be under center this season. The majority of Broncos fans seem to want Cutler to have the luxury of having at least a year to learn the offensive system before being asked to take the reins.

Atlas

08-21-2006, 02:40 PM

Y'know, I really haven't seen much Plummer-bashing at all lately. Being excited that a very promising young QBOTF is on the roster backing him up isn't the same thing as dissing the guy who's gonna be under center this season. The majority of Broncos fans seem to want Cutler to have the luxury of having at least a year to learn the offensive system before being asked to take the reins.

I agree. I'm in no hurry to see Cutler out there. Shanny ruined the '99 team by starting Griese ahead of Brister. I sure that he has learned from that but you know some fans never learn anything.

epicSocialism4tw

08-21-2006, 02:55 PM

Y'know, I really haven't seen much Plummer-bashing at all lately. Being excited that a very promising young QBOTF is on the roster backing him up isn't the same thing as dissing the guy who's gonna be under center this season. The majority of Broncos fans seem to want Cutler to have the luxury of having at least a year to learn the offensive system before being asked to take the reins.

They are satiated for now because they know that his time here is now limited. Right now the Jake Hate Parade is busy fawning over the new golden boy (he is worthy of the fawning). When something bad happens, the dam will break loose.

Imagine if Jay was waiting in the wings last season. What would have happened after the week 1 meltdown against Miami?

FantomForce

08-21-2006, 03:05 PM

As with any future legend there has to be a groomer before him look at Steve DeBerg, he came before Montana and Elway, let us ride the back of Jake until he is done and then enjoy the great play of Jay.

azbroncfan

08-22-2006, 03:29 PM

Taco John

08-22-2006, 03:36 PM

Jake will not get a fair shake this season. That has already been determined. The Broncannibals are already chewing his flesh. The arrival of Cutler now brings the issue to a no tolerance point where the Jake haters will not accept anything other than Manning-esque stats before letting off of the flaming.

For my part, I don't care about stats. I'd be happy with a playoff game where Jake doesn't throw an interception. That's all I've wanted to see from the guy for three years now.

Rascal

08-22-2006, 03:38 PM

I could care less if Jake throws 10 INT's as long as we win the game.

Rock Chalk

08-22-2006, 04:05 PM

Y'know, I really haven't seen much Plummer-bashing at all lately.
Me either, but then I have TJ on ignore.

loborugger

08-22-2006, 04:06 PM

I could care less if Jake throws 10 INT's as long as we win the game.

Truth spoken... however let him throw one pick in a game we lose.

orange 4 life

08-22-2006, 05:13 PM

Know way Cutler should start this year over Plummer, You can tell by the last game Plummer is the better QB easily right now. Besides we don't want to have to put JAKIE4LIFE on suicide watch if shanny said Cutler was the starter.

but i thought "if (we) had one word to describe you it would be broncos"?
if that were true, then you too would be on suicide watch, since that move would of course all but kill any chance we had of going all the way.

wow.
so youre an a$$hole AND an idiot.
pretty wicked combination.

ozomulsion

08-22-2006, 05:58 PM

Mock, speaking of Broncos near the league lead in the preseason, Cedric Cobbs is 2nd in rushing. How bout that for the dark horse?

If you knew his injury history you wouldn't be so exited.

ozomulsion

08-22-2006, 06:02 PM

For my part, I don't care about stats. I'd be happy with a playoff game where Jake doesn't throw an interception. That's all I've wanted to see from the guy for three years now.
Elway won shootouts when his D was sucking it up against the Browns. Jake has shown no sign of being able to do that. No interceptions and a few less 3 and outs would be nice. If our D is sucking keep them off the field. Flame away, TJ and I want Superbowls not just playoff appearences.

Rock Chalk

08-22-2006, 06:24 PM

azbroncfan

08-23-2006, 12:15 AM

but i thought "if (we) had one word to describe you it would be broncos"?
if that were true, then you too would be on suicide watch, since that move would of course all but kill any chance we had of going all the way.

wow.
so youre an a$$hole AND an idiot.
pretty wicked combination.

Man you are fun to get going, You need to learn to relax and not be so thinned skinned. Aren't you in the car business??? If you are I know you mess with people more than simple words.

epicSocialism4tw

08-23-2006, 12:28 AM

For my part, I don't care about stats. I'd be happy with a playoff game where Jake doesn't throw an interception. That's all I've wanted to see from the guy for three years now.

He surely didnt dominate, but he had a very nice game against the Pats. He was effective in the red zone and made timely plays. Its not all bad with Jake. I would agree that it's "half bad", but not as bad as many make it seem.

IMO, the run game was atrocious against Pitt, and it left Jake ripe for the picking. He's not Elway and he cant make magic happen out of thin air. Jay might end up a dominant player, but it's unfortunate to see this type of thing happen to Jake who is undoubtedly one of the NFL's good guys.

Malcontent

08-23-2006, 12:29 AM

A successful Plummer + Javon and running game = SuperBowl. I have bookmarked this post for those that will congregate when it really happens

Atlas

08-23-2006, 02:22 AM

He surely didnt dominate, but he had a very nice game against the Pats. He was effective in the red zone and made timely plays. Its not all bad with Jake. I would agree that it's "half bad", but not as bad as many make it seem.

IMO, the run game was atrocious against Pitt, and it left Jake ripe for the picking. He's not Elway and he cant make magic happen out of thin air. Jay might end up a dominant player, but it's unfortunate to see this type of thing happen to Jake who is undoubtedly one of the NFL's good guys.

I would love to see Jake stay and back up Cutler when the time comes. Maybe Jake loves Denver so much he'll sign a $1.5 milion deal to be Jay's backup. As a backup in Denver's systen Jake could play until he was 40 if that is what he wnted to do.

epicSocialism4tw

08-23-2006, 02:33 AM

I would love to see Jake stay and back up Cutler when the time comes. Maybe Jake loves Denver so much he'll sign a $1.5 milion deal to be Jay's backup. As a backup in Denver's systen Jake could play until he was 40 if that is what he wnted to do.

I doubt that Jake hangs around.

#1, he's upercompetitive and would rather start elsewhere
#2, Denver fans have done nothing to make things good for him here, and despite the great organization here he will uproot and leave
#3, he wont be held back by circumstance and Shanahan will trade him to a quality situation because he's loyal to those who play hard for him. Jake's changed his play and done what Shanahan has asked of him. Shanny wont stall his career.
#4, it will be great to be out of Elways shadow in the town that cant get past his myth

Popps

08-23-2006, 02:38 AM

Elway won shootouts when his D was sucking it up against the Browns. Jake has shown no sign of being able to do that. No interceptions and a few less 3 and outs would be nice. If our D is sucking keep them off the field. Flame away, TJ and I want Superbowls not just playoff appearences.

You'll never get a Superbowl when your defense gives up an average of 21 first half points over the span of their last three losses.

Again... replace our current front four with our 97 front four, and we beat Pittsburgh.

Sub Elway for Plummer, and we still lose that game.

It's just playoff football 101. Offenses are GOING to stall out at some point in the playoffs. Those teams with dominant defenses keep playing, those teams who allow 24 first half points go home.

As for Elway, how did he look in his Superbowl appearances when his defense was stinking it up? Did he win a "shootout?"

See, I'm old enough to remember watching those games. Elway looked very human, and actually got a rep as a big game choker. If you were around in those days, you remember.

Oddly, when we gave him a running game and a real, playoff-style defense (the kind that can win a 14-10 game) .... he won two SBs.

Playoff football 101. We can keep subbing out the QBs until the cows come home. Do you guys honestly think that Jay Cutler is going to bring us back from these 21 point ****-holes our defense puts us in, in every playoff loss?

Jake Plummer threw his first INT near half-time, when our defense had already called it a day. His fumble was a FORCED fumble, stripped by a linemen who got penetration. (As playoff defenses do.) If you guys think Jay Cutler (who I'm a big fan of) would have rallied us from 21 points down against a defense like Pittsburgh, well... I'm not sure what to tell you. Just rest assured... if our defense continues to play like garbage in playoff games, it won't matter who is at QB. We'll be having this same discussion for the next 10 years.

watermock

08-23-2006, 06:09 AM

Elway won shootouts when his D was sucking it up against the Browns. Jake has shown no sign of being able to do that. No interceptions and a few less 3 and outs would be nice. If our D is sucking keep them off the field. Flame away, TJ and I want Superbowls not just playoff appearences.

Well gee wiz...I didn't know the rest of 4000+ members were content with playoff appearances with your spoiled attitude and T.J. Jesus Christ. Your an arrogant fool. Want to know what T.J. said before the season started? He expected to win a playoff game last year. Just ask him. That's exactly what he said.

As noted, Jake was in a 21 point hole before a fumble was FORCED. Then Jake tried to do too much when we were rallying in the third. That was when the game was literally lost. A TD there and we are within striking distance going into the 4th. I'm sure that Jake's meltdown was one of the reasons we went after Jay, but the whole team sucked that day. Our OL got manhandled. Pitt made a run very similiar to the revenge tour of 97 from the wildcard spot.

Everyone was dissapointed that we let a home championship game get away before halftime. We certainly were not picked to get that far except by homers in jest. We had an excellent, overachieving season(losing to the eventual Champions) and had a phenomenal offseason. Now a distraction is gone and we got as much value as possible for a player that was going to leave next year anyway.

Honestly, whining about a team whose future looks bright as hell is well, dumb. Next year we can go after a few dominant players to fill in the final pieces.

riiiiick

08-23-2006, 06:35 AM

good post, popps

Mediator12

08-23-2006, 08:43 AM

They are satiated for now because they know that his time here is now limited. Right now the Jake Hate Parade is busy fawning over the new golden boy (he is worthy of the fawning). When something bad happens, the dam will break loose.

Imagine if Jay was waiting in the wings last season. What would have happened after the week 1 meltdown against Miami?

Thomas George would have written an article about how the offense was going to revolt on Shanahan for such a pathetic performance using Todd Devoe and another "undisclosed source" as his backup ;D

riiiiick

08-23-2006, 09:49 AM

i agree, llama. after that first loss last year in Miami, jake played 14 and 2 ball until the Pitt game. real games, real pressure, real time. he has earned more than he gets from many denver fans