Javon Walker didn't even get a look.

[jayman_37]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't even get a look last night in the offense? I hope that they aren't going to try and use him just like they used Ashley in the past where they send him deep to clear out the defense. The only pass he saw was when Cutler was in the game and the ball got tipped at the line and then they said that Walker sprinted off the field and sat down. I hope he's not getting frustrated already.

[CHANGSTER]

Yeah i kept thinking the same thing. I assumed they were worried about the wet field. didnt want him to take any hits maybe?

Most of the first half i was yelling throw it to walker! just once?! lil pinch?

[Dedhed]

I think they're going to work him in EXTREMELY slowly. They aren't going to use Walker in Lelie's role, you can count on that. First game, get out there run some live routes, do a little blocking, take a seat.

[baja]

They want him to run around in a game contact free than next week they will involve him in the game plan. I believe it's the baby steps approach in consideration of that knee.

[titan]

On the play where Plummer passed to Rod Smith down to the three yard line (south end) the guy I went to the game with said Javon was wide open. Javon seemed a little frustrated the ball didn't go to him on that play.

Plummer does have a tendency to lockin on Rod sometimes. Hopefully Walker's time will come. I am also hearing rumblings that Walker still isn't 100% (Rod Smith said in a radio interview that Walker is still hurt and Walker did have a slight limp in warmups last night)

It was a wet field last night (BIG downpour about an hour before the game) so maybe they were being cautious with Walker.

[Paladin]

What we had heard all the time was how great a player Javon is, and that he was doing just marvelous in TC. With those kinds of accolades, I doubt that Heimerdinger or Shanahan have forgotten him in the game plan. In the film study, I would imagine the fact that Javon was open is going to be (ahem) mentioned.....

Having said that, I am sure that Plummer does lock in on Smith way too much, and that is really the crux of some of the discontent with Plummer, I think.

[baja]

What we had heard all the time was how great a player Javon is, and that he was doing just marvelous in TC. With those kinds of accolades, I doubt that Heimerdinger or Shanahan have forgotten him in the game plan. In the film study, I would imagine the fact that Javon was open is going to be (ahem) mentioned.....

Having said that,<b> I am sure that Plummer does lock in on Smith way too much, and that is really the crux of some of the discontent with Plummer, I think.</b>

Truth be told this is a big part of Lelie's disenchantment as well as his belief that Plummer can't throw an accurate pass longer than 25 yards.

[youcandoit1687]

id lock in on rod too, hes mr dependable.

[Ballhawk]

I really do not think Walker will be much more of an impact than Lelie was last year. I am not saying that he is not a better WR for our offense, but we seem to have more options this year. I think we may see the ball spread around more, which is something Shanny has always liked to do. Schef looks like he could grab 50 this year and our group of #3 guys Kircus, Watts and Marshall could grab 50+ as a group. Thats 100+ receptions compared to last year where we got around 60 or so out of Putz and Adams.

Even if Walker post 60 and Rod 70, that would be a great passing game.

[Paladin]

So is Javon a potential mr. dependable. If all he does is throw to Smith or the TE, then why in the h3ll did we spend so much time worrying about who the #3 WR was going to be when Plummer don't need no stinking #2 WR?

[Garcia Bronco]

The field was very wet...it wasn't a good idea to keep him out there..but he was in for a few plays...and they diffenately took him out when the second stringers came in

[16-JakE-16]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't even get a look last night in the offense? I hope that they aren't going to try and use him just like they used Ashley in the past where they send him deep to clear out the defense. .
why would they spend a 2nd rd pick and all that money for him then? it's not like Lelie was holding out at that time. it was his first game back, no need to be worried

[youcandoit1687]

So is Javon a potential mr. dependable. If all he does is throw to Smith or the TE, then why in the h3ll did we spend so much time worrying about who the #3 WR was going to be when Plummer don't need no stinking #2 WR?

calm down man. all im saying is that as a quarterback, one would likely become a little dependent on a guy who has been around for years and who is constantly open. not always open and will get double teamed if he is the only option, that is why we brought in another receiver, so that he would have some more catches and take coverage. jeez

[BroncoMatt]

I didnt' see the game but from what I've heard with the field being wet it probably was best to not expose him to a hit from some guy trying to make a football team like the hit Abdullah laid on VY.

[Garcia Bronco]

I didnt' see the game but from what I've heard with the field being wet it probably was best to not expose him to a hit from some guy trying to make a football team like the hit Abdullah laid on VY.


Exactly/

[Willynowei]

big deal. Randy Moss had 1 catch in 2 preseason games... Doesn't mean he's going to be treated like a lelie by the Raiders offense, considering he's going to be their ONLY weapon next year. -_-

[jayman_37]

Do you think that all of these things that everyone is mentioning might grow thin with Walker. He's used to making plays a lot in the passing game with Favre. I was also wondering did any else see Javon just run off the field right after the missed pass by Cutler? I just heard them say something about it on the replay of the game on NFL Network.

[MechanicalBull]

I'd rather see him be a decoy and do nothing on a wet field and his first day back than him trying to impress everyone in a preseason game and hurt himself. I have no problem at all with them taking it easy with Javon during preseason. Why risk injury, keep him safe for the regular season when it counts.

[CBF1]

The sky is falling. Guys this is pre season with a new player coming off major knee reconstruction. Relax and stop trying to make something out of nothing.

[snowspot66]

Well if you'll look at the stats, out of like 20 throws recievers were only the target of maybe half? It's not like it was an air show and he was nothing but a cheerleader. Rod saw a few passes but Scheffler was really the only guy to see much of any action in the passing game.

[BroncoBen]

The sky is falling. Guys this is pre season with a new player coming off major knee reconstruction. Relax and stop trying to make something out of nothing.

I agree, if Javon wasn't catching passes and making Touchdowns people tend to think something is wrong, that he is not healthy, that he is not pleased.

Give the guy a break, give the Broncos a break.

I bet it was in the game plan to ease him back in, run some live routes, make some blocks.

It looked to me like that one play where Cutler was throwing the ball and it got tipped was designed to get him a catch. It didn't happen and he was done for the night.

Let's see what happens this week in practice, if we start to hear that he is sitting out of practice then yes, maybe his knee is giving him problems.
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[BroncoSoja]

Truth be told this is a big part of Lelie's disenchantment as well as his belief that Plummer can't throw an accurate pass longer than 25 yards.

Truth be told Lelie is right and reason number one why I dont blame him for wanting out.

[Lidderer]

Truth be told Lelie is right and reason number one why I dont blame him for wanting out.


Smith had 126 passes thrown his way last year, which taken as a part of the O's total passes is no different than what nearly ever #1 WR saw in comparison with #2s.

Surely lelie can whine a bit about long passes failing to be accurate, but that sort've makes him one-dimensional, and such players have no claim to leverage.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He's not 100%. Last night he realized he was on the field with the rest of the second team by accident and he raced to the sideline and sat down.

[plummershelper]

Lidderer, the av shows something good there. despite cutler's head being removed from his body he still has a kung fu grip on that ball.

[Lidderer]

Lidderer, the av shows something good there. despite cutler's head being removed from his body he still has a kung fu grip on that ball.

oh indeed, he's got HOF written all-over him even when taking a sack.

[Saddletramp]

I believe it's the baby steps approach in consideration of that knee.
I agree with the baby steps. Good idea to be pissed that they didnt throw anything to Walker. I mean sure lets take a new player (basically just off knee surgery) and make him a target in a pre-season game. Makes sense to me. ^5 :thumbs: What is wrong with you guys? Do you wanna destroy a lously trade right of the bat?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Javon (needs a) Walker.

[Saddletramp]

Javon (needs a) Walker.
probably. What a lousy trade.

[Clockwork Orange]

Javon (needs a) Walker.

This is where I'd make a remark about your number 2 receiver, but you don't have one worth mentioning, so no need.

Walker's fine. This kind of response from the usual chicken littles was predictable. He didn't catch a pass in the preseason game! Oh no!

People are funny sometimes.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Our number two receiver is going to get 1,000 yards this year. He had more catches than anyone else on the team after he returned from injury last year. He's poised for a breakout year.

[Clockwork Orange]

Our number two receiver is going to get 1,000 yards this year. He had more catches than anyone else on the team after he returned from injury last year. He's poised for a breakout year.

*yawn*

Call me when he does something noteworthy. I mean other than catching TD's in games after the outcome has already been decided.

Anyway, they're bringing Walker along slowly. No need to rush, make sure he's ready to go when the games count. I'd say that I can't believe that there's even a thread about this, but I've been here long enough to know that there are people who'll make a big deal out of anything.

[Bronco Billy]

We scored 35 points. Other receivers were open. It's not like the offense wasn't clicking and we needed someone to step up. This was his first game with the Broncos. Relax, gentlemen! He'll get his opportunities.

[Rock Chalk]

Javon did get a look. An off the mark pass by Cutler.

Oh wait, that cant be right, Cutler is perfect.

[The MVPlaya]

Ya'll need to calm down. It's his FIRST ACTION since his injury...it's not a big deal.

[freak6]

I'm concerned about his knee. I posted a poll awhile ago about what would be satisfactory stats for him, I guarantee now everyone would downgrade what they expect from him.

[jayman_37]

after watching the game again I feel that it is safe to say that Jake was told to maybe not throw it to him unless he can just step out of bounds. There was a play in the early second quarter where Jake could have thrown a little 5 yard hitch to him where he was wide open, but Jake looked straight at him and then looked to the middle and dumped it off to M. Bell where he only gained about three yards.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm concerned about his knee. I posted a poll awhile ago about what would be satisfactory stats for him, I guarantee now everyone would downgrade what they expect from him.

Speak for yourself. I expect a fine year out of Walker.

Seriously, people are reading way too much into the limited action he saw in one preseason game. He's not even at 100% yet. Let him ease back into the lineup now so that he'll be ready to go in the regular season. If he goes full games without catching a pass then, I'll be concerned.

[Saddletramp]

Seriously, people are reading way too much into the limited action he saw in one preseason game. He's not even at 100% yet. Let him ease back into the lineup now so that he'll be ready to go in the regular season. If he goes full games without catching a pass then, I'll be concerned.
I agree with ya on this. Never mind the fact I dont think he is worth near the money they gave him.

[Jetmeck]

Just throw him the ball next game, BrONCOS should make an effort to get him involved so he is mentally prepared for the season.

Chefs better hope he is not 100% but he is close. Rod said he had days where it was hurting and Rod told him
to work through it. About normal considering an ACL was involved. LAW/SURTAIN who gives a F*** it won't be enough too many targets to cover. Chefs will barely have time to get the ball to their disgruntled so called #1 receiver ...anything after quitterson poes NO threat at all.

Surtain was supposed to be their savior, in all honesty he can't hold Champ's jock. Surtain has hands of stone.

[Clockwork Orange]

I agree with ya on this. Never mind the fact I dont think he is worth near the money they gave him.

As of right now, they haven't given him anything other than a raise of $1 million for this season. The extension doesn't kick in until next season and if he doesn't perform the way they expect, he can be cut with no salary cap ramifications.

I'm not worried about it, Javon will be fine. The future with Cutler-Walker-Scheffler is looking pretty good. :yayaya:

[Moon§hiner]

Every Bronco player should be concerned about wins first, not their stats that they put up...The only ones concerned are the FFL people and I'd love to see Shanny mess with their lives if it means wins....Lulu forgets we went 13-3 last year and has a mememe attitude...I washed my hands of him long ago and I'll gladly do the same with any other player that's worried about stats.

[sirhcyennek81]

I am happy because the titans actually paid attention to Walker, drawing coverage from Kircus, Smith and Sheffler. But some people need to complain I guess.


:Broncos:

[jayman_37]

I want to make this clear that by starting the thread I was in no way complaining about how Jake played or how the offense played. I was just wanting to start some conversation, because that is what a forum is all about. I think that he can be a great player I was just seeing what everyone else had heard about how he has been coming along with his rehab. So in no way am I questioning or doubting or have a sky is falling attitude I just want to get this out of the way.

[Kaylore]

Javon did get a look. An off the mark pass by Cutler.

Oh wait, that cant be right, Cutler is perfect.
A tipped ball at the line? Yeah, I guess if Plummer throws that ball, it burns through the lineman's hand like a lazer.::)

[Lidderer]

A tipped ball at the line? Yeah, I guess if Plummer throws that ball, it burns through the lineman's hand like a lazer.::)

a tipped ball at the line in the opposite scenario would bring forth countless talk of cutler's high release, etc.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

On the play where Plummer passed to Rod Smith down to the three yard line (south end) the guy I went to the game with said Javon was wide open. Javon seemed a little frustrated the ball didn't go to him on that play.


He was also wide open on the pass to Kyle Johnson

[TotallyScrewed]

Kaylore, I thought that was tongue-in-cheek from Alex. No???<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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It is a shame that Plummer eschewed throwing to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Walker</st1:place></st1:City> and delivered a perfect pass to Rod Whatshisname, who was then touched down at the half-yard line. Lord knows, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Denver</st1:place></st1:City> doesn't need any work on the goal line.

Try to look on the bright side peeps. Your whole day will go better.

[Lidderer]

ffice:smarttags won't even make the roster anyway, so plummer knew what was up.

[ZONA]

What we had heard all the time was how great a player Javon is, and that he was doing just marvelous in TC. With those kinds of accolades, I doubt that Heimerdinger or Shanahan have forgotten him in the game plan. In the film study, I would imagine the fact that Javon was open is going to be (ahem) mentioned.....

Having said that, I am sure that Plummer does lock in on Smith way too much, and that is really the crux of some of the discontent with Plummer, I think.


I couldn't have said it any better then that. Walker will be in the mix more as he continues to heal, and as Plummer gets used to the fact we will have somebody else open other the Smith for a change. If it was me making the call, I wouldn't have even played Walker last night due to the field conditions. Same with Champ. I know he missed cuz of missing curfew but I still would have held him out. I wouldn't even play Baily more then a series or 2 in the next game.

[listopencil]

Aww, crap. I hope this doesn't mean we've blown the Pre Season Championship again this year.

[Kaylore]

I agree with the baby steps. Good idea to be pissed that they didnt throw anything to Walker. I mean sure lets take a new player (basically just off knee surgery) and make him a target in a pre-season game. Makes sense to me. ^5 :thumbs: What is wrong with you guys? Do you wanna destroy a lously trade right of the bat?
Aren't you the person who was all worried we were going to suck after the Lions game?

[Hulamau]

On the play where Plummer passed to Rod Smith down to the three yard line (south end) the guy I went to the game with said Javon was wide open. Javon seemed a little frustrated the ball didn't go to him on that play.

Plummer does have a tendency to lockin on Rod sometimes. Hopefully Walker's time will come. I am also hearing rumblings that Walker still isn't 100% (Rod Smith said in a radio interview that Walker is still hurt and Walker did have a slight limp in warmups last night)

It was a wet field last night (BIG downpour about an hour before the game) so maybe they were being cautious with Walker.

You're not in Green Bay anymore Toto ... Get used to it! :-)

[listopencil]

And he can't wait to start putting the ball in Walker's hands on a regular basis, too.

"You know, I would like to get the ball to Javon," Plummer said. "We didn't get the looks to go his way, and that's what we have another preseason game for."

Walker is coming off a knee injury that sidelined him almost all of last season in Green Bay. Dealt to Denver on draft day, Walker has been back to his spectacular self at training camp.

Still, he was eager to do it in a game so he could get that all-important first hit to prove to himself and others that he's fully recovered from the torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee that required two surgeries.

Shanahan said he tried to get Walker a throw toward the end of his 20-play stint with the regulars but the coverage rolled his way and Plummer made the right read in not forcing it to the former Pro Bowl receiver.

"We're disappointed he didn't catch a ball," Shanahan said. "Maybe he will next week."



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5889940


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=45480

[DeusExManning]

Our number two receiver is going to get 1,000 yards this year. He had more catches than anyone else on the team after he returned from injury last year. He's poised for a breakout year.

Our? are your talking about the chiefs?

[Hulamau]

Walker will get plenty of chances but he's not the #1WR anymore in a pass happy offense. We have a perfectly servicable #1 in Rod who Jake trusts totally so hes gonna have to get used to being open and not getting the throw (he can ask his buddy Ashley all about it :-), particularly when he's running downfield duty to clear out the safeties or take a CB out of the play while Plummer hits Rod and Scheff or a RB short to keep the chains moving. Its a diffierent philosophy than he may be used to.

[listopencil]

Hmmm...remember how good Rod and Ed were together?

[Clockwork Orange]

Walker will get plenty of chances but he's not the #1WR anymore In a pass happy offense. We have a perfectly servicable #1 in Rod who Jake trusts totally so hes gonna have to get used to being open and not gettign the throw (he can ask his buddy Ashley all about it :-), particuLarly when he's running downfield duty to clear out the safeties or take a CB out of the play while Plummer hits Rod and Scheff or a RB short to keep the chains moving. Its a diffierent philosophy than he may be used to.

He'll get his catches. He runs slants and other routes that Lelie finds confusing and scary. He'll also go to Ashley's forbidden zone, aka the middle of the field.

Javon is the future #1 receiver on this team. It may not be a pass happy offense now, but it will be when Jay Cutler is ready to take the reigns at QB. Wait and see.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hmmm...remember how good Rod and Ed were together?

They had a pretty good quarterback, too.

[Rock Chalk]

He'll get his catches. He runs slants and other routes that Lelie finds confusing and scary. He'll also go to Ashley's forbidden zone, aka the middle of the field.

Javon is the future #1 receiver on this team. It may not be a pass happy offense now, but it will be when Jay Cutler is ready to take the reigns at QB. Wait and see.
Wanna bet money on that CO?

As good as we all hope Cutler becomes, as long as Shanny is running things we will NEVER be a "pass happy" offense. We may pass a lot, enough to satiate our overpriced 2nd receiver but we will never be pass happy and the day we do is the day we stop being the Broncos and start being the Chefs.

[Clockwork Orange]

They had a pretty good quarterback, too.

They didn't need one. Their best statistical seasons came with Brian Griese at QB. He benefitted from them a hell of a lot more than they benefitted from him.

[Rock Chalk]

They didn't need one. Their best statistical seasons came with Brian Griese at QB. He benefitted from them a hell of a lot more than they benefitted from him.
Yeah, how did that pass happy season turn out for us?

I hope to God receivers dont become the priority in Denver...ever.

Run the dag gum ball! SMASH MOUTH REAL FOOTBALL. None of this Colt/Chef ****.

[Clockwork Orange]

Wanna bet money on that CO?

As good as we all hope Cutler becomes, as long as Shanny is running things we will NEVER be a "pass happy" offense. We may pass a lot, enough to satiate our overpriced 2nd receiver but we will never be pass happy and the day we do is the day we stop being the Broncos and start being the Chefs.

It depends on your definition of pass happy. I'm willing to bet that we'll see them open it up air it out a hell of a lot more under Cutler than they have under Plummer. Cutler wasn't drafted to be a game manager, he was drafted to make plays. Plummer, for as good a job as he did last year, has been converted to a game manager. I'm not complaining, mind you, I'll take the results and be happy.

Shanahan himself was quoted after the draft saying how the Broncos would be able to use the entire playbook again with Cutler. That suggests to me that they plan on throwing the football more than we've seen in a while when Cutler is ready to take over.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They didn't need one. Their best statistical seasons came with Brian Griese at QB. He benefitted from them a hell of a lot more than they benefitted from him.

You guys averaged 35.5 pass attempts per game that year. I don't think Jake is going to be putting it up that many times.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah, how did that pass happy season turn out for us?

I hope to God receivers dont become the priority in Denver...ever.

Run the dag gum ball! SMASH MOUTH REAL FOOTBALL. None of this Colt/Chef ****.

First off, that's apples to oranges. Griese and Cutler have all of nothing in common.

Also, the running game will always be first and foremost here. It's been that way since Shanahan has been here and it won't change. But what will happen is that the offense will become multi-dimensional, more so than it's been in years.

[Clockwork Orange]

You guys averaged 35.5 pass attempts per game that year. I don't think Jake is going to be putting it up that many times.

True, but when Jay Cutler is starting, they very well might. We'll see.

[Hulamau]

True, but when Jay Cutler is starting, they very well might. We'll see.


I agree a lot of things might change when Culter eventually takes over with more medium to long throws that will suit Walker just fine, but I suspect running will always be our main priority.

I just dont want people to rag too much on Walker just because he isn't putting up the same probowl numbers here as our number 2 as he did in Green Bay with their offense as the #1.

It aint gonna happen. He may well be the difference maker as it is, but hes not gonna get 8 to 10 balls thrown his way every game as long as Rod is healthy.

However two things play in Walkers favor. Hes got Heimerdinger calling the plays AND even though they might not admit it, I'm sure the coaches are keen not to get a repeat of another unhappy #2 and will make every effort to get him more balls than otherwise might have been the case without the Lelie fiasco.

[Clockwork Orange]

I agree a lot of things might cahnge when Cultger is in mainly with more medium to long throws that will suit Walker just fine ,but I suspect runnig nwill alwsay be our main priority.

I jsut dont want people to rag too much on Walker jsut becuse he isngt putting up the ams probowl number s here as our number 2 as he did in Green Bay with thier offense as the #1.

It aint gonna happen. He may well be the difference maker as it is, but hes not gonna get 8 to 10 balls thrown his way every game as long as Rod is healthy.

The thing is, Walker wasn't just brought here to be the #2 receiver behind Rod Smith. He was brought here for the present and future. When Rod is gone, he'll be the favorite target and he will get those passes thrown his way.

Walker isn't a quick fix, he's a long term solution.

[Rock Chalk]

First off, that's apples to oranges. Griese and Cutler have all of nothing in common.

Also, the running game will always be first and foremost here. It's been that way since Shanahan has been here and it won't change. But what will happen is that the offense will become multi-dimensional, more so than it's been in years.
True, Griese has led the most prolific offense in Denver history and Cutler has never started an NFL game so, comparing them is silly.

With Cutler, I see more of the same offensive philosophy as with Jake Plummer and previoulsy with Elway. Good mix of both, effecient use of both and playmakers all around.

I dont see much changing with Cutler at the helm except that we have a younger version of the guy we have who we get to coach from the get go without having to undo all the damage done by 7 years in hell.

I think Cutler will be possibly what Plummer would have been in our system had he been drafted by us. HOPEFULLY. If Cutler can perform even as well as Plummer has in Denver, we are very fortunate IMO. If Cutler can perform how I think Plummer would have in Denver had he played for us from the beginning, we are looking at multiple championships. But then, I think Plummer would have been better than Elway under Shanahan from the beginning (which just goes to show you how ****ty Reeves was because had Shanny been running things then we would have 15 superbowl titles...****ing Reeves).

Either way, I really do not see much changing offensively.

[Taco John]

I dont see much changing with Cutler at the helm except that we have a younger version of the guy we have who we get to coach from the get go without having to undo all the damage done by 7 years in hell.



According to Shanahan, he'll be able to use his entire offense... So whatever that means.

[Clockwork Orange]

True, Griese has led the most prolific offense in Denver history and Cutler has never started an NFL game so, comparing them is silly.

Well, Cutler has taken as many teams to the playoffs as Griese has, so I guess they do have something in common after all. But physically speaking, Cutler is already ahead of Griese in just about every way. Just wait until he learns the offense, the comparisons between the two will be laughable beyond belief.

[Rock Chalk]

Well, Cutler has taken as many teams to the playoffs as Griese has, so I guess they do have something in common after all. But physically speaking, Cutler is already ahead of Griese in just about every way. Just wait until he learns the offense, the comparisons between the two will be laughable beyond belief.
Griese led one team to the playoffs or did you forget?

So wait, it is or is not OK to compare Cutler and griese? Which is it?

[Hulamau]

The thing is, Walker wasn't just brought here to be the #2 receiver behind Rod Smith. He was brought here for the present and future. When Rod is gone, he'll be the favorite target and he will get those passes thrown his way.

Walker isn't a quick fix, he's a long term solution.

No Doubt thats the plan, and it should work out that way, I just hope both Walker and the fans realize Rod might not be done for another couple years.

I have no problem with us bringing in Walker and think he can do great things here, but alot of folks expectations from his 2004 season which they transplant as his stats here this year arent likely to be met anytime real soon.

The one question about WAlker that is still out in my book is how he'll react under adversity here. So far he is still gift-wrapped in the high anticipation of his honeymoon period.

When I heard him say in that interview that it was almost good fate that he got injured last year as he got to ride on the laurels of his 2004 season and get the fat contract whereas if he hadnt gotten injured he might not of played as well since he was 'unhappy', didnt go over too well with me.

That attitude only reinforced my red flag that went up a bit earlier when he said his problem with Green Bay wasn't so much with the FO, the town or even the money, but with the way some of his teammates 'treated him' (and he said he wasnt referring to Favre) as the real reason why he wanted out.

I'm pulling for him all the way, and hope this change of scenery is just what the doctor ordered, but both of those interviews were somewhat revealing to me of a guy looking for excuses a bit more than I'd like to see.

Hopefully, if (or when) he endures a rough patch here he will have grown out of those tendencies.

[baja]

When Cutler takes over we will pass more, a lot more, that is a no brainer if it were otherwise than why draft him the guy we got can do what he has been doing, hand off, for 5 more years easy.

[Jason in LA]

It's just preseason, don't worry about it.

I don't see why people get all worked up over meaningless games. People still think this is an idicator to what we're going to see during the regular season. These games mean zero.

[Clockwork Orange]

Griese led one team to the playoffs or did you forget?

So wait, it is or is not OK to compare Cutler and griese? Which is it?

Which team was that? Or are you thinking of the 6-4 team that Gus Frerotte took over and led to an 11-5 record and a playoff birth.

I wouldn't compare them. Physically there is no comparison. Cutler has a cannon for an arm and is mobile. Griese has a rag arm and is Bledsoe-esque in the pocket.

Besides, I wouldn't want to compare our future starter to a journeyman who's currently looking up at Rex Grossman on the depth chart.

[-Slap-]

On the play where Plummer passed to Rod Smith down to the three yard line (south end) the guy I went to the game with said Javon was wide open. Javon seemed a little frustrated the ball didn't go to him on that play.

Plummer does have a tendency to lockin on Rod sometimes. Hopefully Walker's time will come. I am also hearing rumblings that Walker still isn't 100% (Rod Smith said in a radio interview that Walker is still hurt and Walker did have a slight limp in warmups last night)

It was a wet field last night (BIG downpour about an hour before the game) so maybe they were being cautious with Walker.

So, you're saying Jake has no chemistry with Javon?

:D

[NFLBRONCO]

Its only Aug 21 no need to be concerned about this. Plummer always zero's in on Rod and always will. I think Javon will have a good year.

[Lidderer]

Its only Aug 21 no need to be concerned about this. Plummer always zero's in on Rod and always will. I think Javon will have a good year.

let's try this little experiment here to see if we can unearth a weird trend amongst devoted fans of one particular team:

QB always zero's in on WR1 and always will.

[Be forewarned, stuff sometimes not featuring letters and exclamation marks forthcoming:]

Plummer threw to Rod 27% of the time last year.

Manning threw to Marvin 29% of the time.

And as much as I'd like to keep going with this to prove to you that Jake doesn't really zero-in on Rod more than average, I'm willing to let that small stat there speak for itself.

[NFLBRONCO]

let's try this little experiment here to see if we can unearth a weird trend amongst devoted fans of one particular team:

QB always zero's in on WR1 and always will.

[Be forewarned, stuff sometimes not featuring letters and exclamation marks forthcoming:]

Plummer threw to Rod 27% of the time last year.

Manning threw to Marvin 29% of the time.

And as much as I'd like to keep going with this to prove to you that Jake doesn't really zero-in on Rod more than average, I'm willing to let that small stat there speak for itself.


I appreciate your stats because I didn't know the % and you might be correct but, it seems we go to Rod alot more then 27%. I'll have to watch that this season.

[watermock]

Javon won't mind when bling starts showing up in his checking account...oh wait...it allready has...poor guy...

Breaking news: Major League sports stars are vastly overpaid. News at 11.

It's all ok, there is no reason to get Bob's panties in a bunch. Walker wasn't out there 40 plays anyway. He will get a couple catches next week.

He better or the Turk will be visiting him. I don't buy the malcontent argument at this point. Everyone is getting insane money in free agency. If you think otherwise you haven't read the CBA. The owner got a few concessions about slackers and malcontents, see Ms. Lilly's 14k per practice fine.

The only thing I'm worried about Walker is if that knee starts giving him trouble.

[OrangeShadow]

you need to ease him back from an injury like that,i mean its preseason

[riiiiick]

Truth be told Lelie is right and reason number one why I dont blame him for wanting out.
this seems to be a common misconception on here. if plummer/lelie was such a bad combo, why did they lead the league in ypc in 05 and almost again in 06? long accurate throws while on the move or under pressure are pretty tuff. seems to me, if the guy is open, as lelie was many times, put it up there and let him go get it, which they have done better than anyone else the last 2 years. many on here are like, "if a 45 yarder don't hit you in the numbers" it's a bad throw, "get rid of the bum".

[BroncoBen]

Just as I thought, it was reported in the Rocky Mountain News today I quote:

'The Broncos reinserted receiver Javon Walker - the starters had exited in the second quarter - into the game late trying to get him his first reception with the team, but he did not have a catch in his first game action of the preseason. "He'll get one," Plummer said. Walker and the rest of the starters are scheduled to work into the third quarter Sunday night against the Texans'

All is well in Bronco land, the sky is not falling.
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[BroncoInferno]

This is absurd. People getting into a panic over a preseason game. I didn't even see the game, but, c'mon, it was his first action in nearly a year on a wet field. Hell, there were only 12 completions for the entire game. If he doesn't do more in the regular season, then it will be time to worry. He'll be fine.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Heard on the radio this AM that they told him he was going to play a certain number of plays and they wanted him to just work on his cuts and getting separation. He knew befroe the game that getting him the ball was a very low priority.

[Sean]

Shanahan himself was quoted after the draft saying how the Broncos would be able to use the entire playbook again with Cutler.


According to Shanahan, he'll be able to use his entire offense...


Do you guys have links for this?

I've read Shanahan say the addition of Javon Walker would open up the entire offense. I haven't read anything intimating Jake was holding the offense back, well, except for on this board. I'd like to see this quote.

[bendog]

Yeah it is absurd. I've no doubt at all that Jake locks onto Rod, and Lelie was used as the deep route guy back when Sonic was here and 85% of the offense seemed to work off of the oline zone blocking Left or Right, and the boot counter. But Jake's making passes out of the pocket with regularity now. Figuring Jake will complete 300-310 passes, and Shanny doesn't use his backs as recievers as much as Walsh's traditional WC did, the touches are there.

[55CrushEm]

He'll get his catches. He runs slants and other routes that Lelie finds confusing and scary. He'll also go to Ashley's forbidden zone, aka the middle of the field.

Javon is the future #1 receiver on this team. It may not be a pass happy offense now, but it will be when Jay Cutler is ready to take the reigns at QB. Wait and see.
Agreed....we all love Rod, but he's not going to be playing that much longer, and Javon will soon be the #1....Javon knows this too.

Why all the fuss around here?

[jonny1]

When I heard him say in that interview that it was almost good fate that he got injured last year as he got to ride on the laurels of his 2004 season and get the fat contract whereas if he hadnt gotten injured he might not of played as well since he was 'unhappy', didnt go over too well with me.

He didn't say that.

[Garcia Bronco]

According to Shanahan, he'll be able to use his entire offense... So whatever that means.


I think it means that on a given week if coach thinks he needs to run more he will...or pass...it also depends on what the game dictates. If we're up by 20...expect to see more running.

[Garcia Bronco]

Agreed....we all love Rod, but he's not going to be playing that much longer, and Javon will soon be the #1....Javon knows this too.

Why all the fuss around here?


I don't understand why people keep saying this about Rod Smith...what exactly is not much longer? Another half decade. The guy might play until he's 40

[55CrushEm]

I don't understand why people keep saying this about Rod Smith...what exactly is not much longer? Another half decade. The guy might play until he's 40
OK....even if he does play 3-5 more years.....will he necessarily be the #1 WR as long as he's here.

I mean, realistically, if say next year, Javon clearly outplays Rod in TC, wouldn't we make Javon the #1? Or do you keep giving the #1 spot to Rod just 'cause he's Rod ??

My point was, Javon WILL be the #1 guy in short order.....

[Garcia Bronco]

OK....even if he does play 3-5 more years.....will he necessarily be the #1 WR as long as he's here.

I mean, realistically, if say next year, Javon clearly outplays Rod in TC, wouldn't we make Javon the #1? Or do you keep giving the #1 spot to Rod just 'cause he's Rod ??

My point was, Javon WILL be the #1 guy in short order.....

maybe...maybe not. I think Rod will be the number 1 at least 2-3 more seasons.

[freak6]

My point was, Javon WILL be the #1 guy in short order.....

;/

That's a pretty big leap of faith. I am not holding my breath waiting for him to take over the #1 spot. He's doing well in camp but he needs to show us something this week.

[55CrushEm]

;/

That's a pretty big leap of faith. I am not holding my breath waiting for him to take over the #1 spot. He's doing well in camp but he needs to show us something this week.
Why is that a BIG leap of faith? We traded a #2 pick for him, he's only in his 5th year in the league, and Rod is what, 36 years old?

I think it's quite fair to say that Javon will be our #1 relatively soon, not this year, but soon....

[Orange_Beard]

Plummer locks on one guy. It is Rod.

[BroncoInferno]

;/

That's a pretty big leap of faith. I am not holding my breath waiting for him to take over the #1 spot. He's doing well in camp but he needs to show us something this week.

Why does he have to show us something this week? This weeks game doesn't mean anything. If, after week one, he has zero catches, then I'll start to get skittish. Until then, people are making way too much out of one preseason game (nevermind his first game back playing only on a wet field in a game where he was only on the field for 20 plays--most of which were run plays).

[Haroldthebarrel]

This thread is kinda strange.

Would any of you risk your star player in a meaningless game in order to see whether his injury is ahead of schedule or not?

[The Big E]

Let's see....Plummer throws a total of 8 ****in' passes, with completions to Rod, Mike Bell, Kircus, Nate and KJ, and he's gettin' nitpicked for locking onto his #1 receiver? Sorry, but this is a non-topic.

[Lidderer]

Let's see....Plummer throws a total of 8 ****in' passes, with completions to Rod, Mike Bell, Kircus, Nate and KJ, and he's gettin' nitpicked for locking onto his #1 receiver? Sorry, but this is a non-topic.


exactly

[BroncoSoja]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't even get a look last night in the offense? I hope that they aren't going to try and use him just like they used Ashley in the past where they send him deep to clear out the defense. The only pass he saw was when Cutler was in the game and the ball got tipped at the line and then they said that Walker sprinted off the field and sat down. I hope he's not getting frustrated already.


Hopefully its like others said in that they are taking the baby steps approach with him due to his knee.

But to be honest knee problem or not Javon should understand that its not Farve or Elway (talented QB's that get there main threats in the game) that will be throwing to him this year. He just needs to remind himself that his numbers will down this year but the future looks bright for him wants we get rid of Plummer and Shanny can actually open that playbook back up.

[Crushaholic]

We have two more games until they start counting. Shanahan has more people than Walker to evaluate, with cuts looming on the horizon...