Charlie Adams To Dallas...(TRADE)

[Vegas_Bronco]

The Fan 950 just reported that CAdams was traded to Dallas for an undisclosed draft pick..

anyon have a confirmation on this? If so, another great trade for Denver.

[24champ]

The Fan 950 just reported that CAdams was traded to Dallas for an undisclosed draft pick..

anyon have a confirmation on this? If so, another great trade for Denver.
Beat me to it Vegas...

Broncos Trade Adams to Cowboys

Team Receives Undisclosed Draft Pick in Return

Charlie Adans
Last season, Adams was tied for fourth on the team in receptions with 21. PHOTO: JAMIE SCHWABEROW / RICH CLARKSON AND ASSOCIATES
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By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Charlie Adams is on the move.

After a training camp that saw him drop to the fifth team after serving as the team's No. 3 wide receiver for much of 2005, the Broncos dealt him to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed draft choice Thursday.

Adams started two games and played in all 18 regular- and postseason contests last year. he finished the regular season with 21 receptions for 203 yards and no touchdowns, while adding another 133 yards on 16 punt returns and 218 yards on 10 kickoff runbacks.

His work in 2005 marked the culmination of three years of work to make it into a regular spot on the active roster. He'd spent chunks of 2002 and 2003 on the practice squad, and only played in four regular-season games in both 2003 and 2004, with his work coming almost exclusively on special teams. He was released and re-signed four different times by the Broncos over his years with the club.

That gave him a keen insight to the vagaries of the football industry.

"You really can see how the business is in the game, as well as the turnover rate," Adams said in the offseason. "Sometimes, you'll just sit back and talk about all the people that have been here over the years; it's just crazy."

Now, Adams is moving on to another venue for the first time as a pro.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5854

[freak6]

Awesome. He was gonna get cut anyway, hopefully we use the pick to move up and draft some real talent. Kudos to Shanny and Co.

[BroncoBuff]

Makes sense ... they need a WR, we've gots of 'em. Plus Shanny was prolly talking to Parcells about Lelie.

Such a nice kid, too ... good move for him.

[ludo21]

Im happy for Adams.

but, ahahhhahahhaha,, not Lelie!! What, ppl think Charlie has more potential? Ha!

[Hotrod]

Adams for a hamsandwich at this point would have been a steal. A draft pick is high way robbery.

[Paladin]

As mentioned, the value is in the possibility of packaging the pick to move up. I think we saw the fruit of that philosophy in the last draft. I would imagine it would have been a sixth or so, but put that together with another pick or player, it becomes more valuable.

It is this sort of "small" step that adds up over the long run. The Broncos' FO has learned to play a different game in the trading/drafitng game. As mentioned by someone elsewhere, I think Sundquist has a strong presence in that process.

[Mediator12]

More ammunition to keep maneuvering for what we want with Lelie perhaps.

Lelie was never a real possibility to Dallas unless TO or Glenn had an IR type of injury. Still need a RDE who can rush the passer though.

[baja]

As mentioned, the value is in the possibility of packaging the pick to move up. I think we saw the fruit of that philosophy in the last draft. I would imagine it would have been a sixth or so, but put that together with another pick or player, it becomes more valuable.

It is this sort of "small" step that adds up over the long run. <b>The Broncos' FO has learned to play a different game in the trading/drafitng game. As mentioned by someone elsewhere, I think Sundquist has a strong presence in that process.</b>

Exactly, Sundi is the GM and it shows.

[SouthStndJunkie]

You are doing ok anytime you can trade a guy who will most likely get cut for a draft pick.

Shows you the upgrade in depth/talent at WR on the team.

[elsid13]

IT can not be higher the 6th rounder can it???

[(Jae)]

Good move. He most likeky wasnt going to make the team, so we got a free draft pick.
Hopefully it's a 1st..................:approve:

[BigPlayShay]

Good move for the Broncos, and a better move for Adams career.

[Hotrod]

Good move for the Broncos, and a better move for Adams career.

Exactly good luck to the lad

[KansasBronco]

I'm sure it is based on performance. If he fails to make the team, it may turn into nothing. That's my guess.

[crowebomber]

IT can not be higher the 6th rounder can it???

It could be a conditional pick hinging on if he makes the team, if he starts or plays in so many games, if he gets so many catches. So, it might be one of those that we don't know what round until the end of the year.

[Odysseus]

I hope Charlie makes the team.

[Hotrod]

It could be a conditional pick hinging on if he makes the team, if he starts or plays in so many games, if he gets so many catches. So, it might be one of those that we don't know what round until the end of the year.

That sounds about right. Thats prolly why they took Adams instead of Lelie as that would be a high pick regardless. The question that just begs to be asked thou is if Adams does not make the team or play enough do we still get the sandwich.

[orange crusher]

Good move for the Broncos. I don't think he had much of a chance in making the team this year and something is better than nothing.

[baja]

I just hope he doesn't turn into an assshole now that he is living in Texas.... ;D

[Vegas_Bronco]

As mentioned, the value is in the possibility of packaging the pick to move up. I think we saw the fruit of that philosophy in the last draft. I would imagine it would have been a sixth or so, but put that together with another pick or player, it becomes more valuable.

It is this sort of "small" step that adds up over the long run. The Broncos' FO has learned to play a different game in the trading/drafitng game. As mentioned by someone elsewhere, I think Sundquist has a strong presence in that process.


To be truthful, I was playing Madden (franchise mode) with Sundquist and he was pissed each year that I was getting the first round pick and kicking his azz all over. So, I told him a cheating secret, wait until week 5 and trade all your picks with the worst team at week 5 (just before the trade deadline) and most of the time you'll end up with a top 5 pick by the end of the year. Seems like those lessons in Madden are starting to find there way into the real NFL. Ahaaaaaa!

[Meck77]

WOW........I'm simply amazed the Broncos pulled that off.

[dbfan4life]

Lelie's gotta be fumin' right now!

[worm]

I would love to know what Lilly is thinking right now.

His ego has taken some shots.

No GM has come out and said he thinks he is a #1...
Denver seems to be moving on and not even the players are talking him up to the media....

and now...
Adams has proved to be more tradable than him....

Lilly needs to find a better mirror.

[Paladin]

I agree that twe will not know the actual perameters of this trade until the end of the season, if then.

[MechanicalBull]

Good way of getting rid of one of the many receivers we have. Like others have said with Rod, Javon, Watts, Marshall, Kircus and who ever else he most likely wasn't going to make it. Now let's see if anyone wants to trade a draft pick for Knorr :wiggle: .

[plummershelper]

I'm betting this is a lot like the Nate Jackson trade with San Fran a few years ago. I think it was for a conditional 7th, and we didn't end up owing anything because of lack of playing time. I could be wrong, but this seems like one of those deals.

[plummershelper]

Cowboys Trade for WR

Ok, this might not be what everyone has in mind, but the Cowboys have at least addressed the wide receiver position now. They traded for Charlie Adams, giving Dener a sixth-round pick in 2007.
Of course, everyone wanted the Cowboys to get Ashlie Lelie, although we would’ve been talking about giving up a second-round pick, maybe higher.
As long as T.O. and Terry Glenn are healthy, and if Crayton comes back, this team doesn’t need another starter. That doesn’t work. Anyone remember Quincy Morgan and Peerless Price. They just need guys who can be a third or fourth receiver and play special teams.

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/goodtimes/archive/2006/8/17/10722.aspx

Found this on the cowboys website. 6th round would be a steal imho

[Clockwork Orange]

Cool. They got a pick for someone they were probably going to cut anyway.

[Traveler]

Lelie's gotta be fumin' right now!


If he has any sense left, he should bite the bullet and come to camp. His only action now is to play this year out and leave next year. We have enough talent (now) that his presense won't be missed once he does leave the team.

[ward63]

I'd amagine if he gets cut, it'll just be a 7th, but if he makes the team, plays WR/KR/PR, it could possibly be as high as a 3rd or 4th.

[ward63]

Cowboys Trade for WR

Ok, this might not be what everyone has in mind, but the Cowboys have at least addressed the wide receiver position now. They traded for Charlie Adams, giving Dener a sixth-round pick in 2007.
Of course, everyone wanted the Cowboys to get Ashlie Lelie, although we would’ve been talking about giving up a second-round pick, maybe higher.
As long as T.O. and Terry Glenn are healthy, and if Crayton comes back, this team doesn’t need another starter. That doesn’t work. Anyone remember Quincy Morgan and Peerless Price. They just need guys who can be a third or fourth receiver and play special teams.

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/goodtimes/archive/2006/8/17/10722.aspx

Found this on the cowboys website. 6th round would be a steal imho

So we'll get another good college O-lineman in the 6th round w/it, like we have the last 2 years.

[DomCasual]

Nice. Free draft pick. I hope he catches 80 balls for them this year.

[WABronco]

Im happy for Adams.

but, ahahhhahahhaha,, not Lelie!! What, ppl think Charlie has more potential? Ha!
Adams costs Dallas nothing. I'd be surprised if the return was anything more than a conditional seventh rounder.

Edit-surprised...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not bad, of course the pick doesn't have much value in any trade package, just have to hope Shanny and Sundquist find a player with the pick.

[baja]

A 6th rounder for a guy that was not going to make the team what does that say about Sundquist's drafting ability ....

[WABronco]

I would love to know what Lilly is thinking right now.

His ego has taken some shots.

No GM has come out and said he thinks he is a #1...
Denver seems to be moving on and not even the players are talking him up to the media....

and now...
Adams has proved to be more tradable than him....

Lilly needs to find a better mirror.
Well, if we were asking for a sixth round pick for Lelie...he'd be gone.

I'd imagine the only reason we got a non-conditional pick is that Adams served part time as our "no. 3" receiver last year. He came in as a UDFA I believe, and he's shown nothing in the way of future potential IMO. Nice profit makin' for Denver.

[ludo21]

Adams costs Dallas nothing. I'd be surprised if the return was anything more than a conditional seventh rounder.

Edit-surprised...


Ha! ROFL!

Well it was a good move by us tho, even if it is still conditional pending making the Dallas, it was a guy we were going to cut, and now its a possible draft pick , thats huge!!

"I love my draft picks" - Socal

[ward63]

I see him being a fifth WR behind TO, Glenn, Crayton, and Copper. Also being the return man, since I think their return man is that Green guy and Terrance Newman.

[rovolution]

Apparently he'll be wearing #19 with the Cowboys.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_playerTracker.cfm?positionGroup=Wide%20Receiv ers

[JCMElway]

I just hope he doesn't turn into an assshole now that he is living in Texas.... ;D

Hey! Watch it! 8')

[baja]

Austin not included way cool town JMC - Actually I like Texas people mostly.

especially Dallas women

[yerner]

Damn! ****! There goes the season.

[eddie mac]

So the 6th WR slot if we keep 6 is now between Terrell, Devoe and Clark. Looks like Hixon is a cert for IR. That'll be like an extra 4th rounder next year.

[johnstkr]

So what does this do for guys like Clark, Devoe and Terrel? Devoe had a really rough day yesterday, Clark, the few times I've been out to camp, looked good, and Terrell just seems to disappear

Rod, Javon, Marshall, Kircus, Watts... then?

[johnstkr]

Damn eddie mac, you beat me too it as I wrote. Must. Type. Faster.

[BroncoMatt]

Well it looks like my adopt a bronco has been working hard.

[Needa Pass Rush]

:nono: A 6th rounder? You can't get anything with a 6th rounder. ;)

[eddie mac]

IMO if the Broncos feel that Clark may be picked of our practice squad they may either put him on the active roster or find a way to get him alongside Hixon. When you've an all-pro CB calling out an undrafted WR as a surprise then you know the kid's got potential.

Unless Devoe and Terrell light it up in the remainder of pre-season I reckon both will be out of the picture.

[TexanBob]

It could be a conditional pick hinging on if he makes the team, if he starts or plays in so many games, if he gets so many catches. So, it might be one of those that we don't know what round until the end of the year.

That's my thought too. A 6th or a 7th with a few conditions attached.

[MechanicalBull]

Well, if we were asking for a sixth round pick for Lelie...he'd be gone.

I'd imagine the only reason we got a non-conditional pick is that Adams served part time as our "no. 3" receiver last year. He came in as a UDFA I believe, and he's shown nothing in the way of future potential IMO. Nice profit makin' for Denver.

Good point. This has nothing to do with Lelie at all. It's not like we were asking to get a 3rd or 4th in return for Adams. Giving up a 6th is no big deal for Dallas.

[Garcia Bronco]

Damn...I just got my Adams jersey today...son of a...!

[Garcia Bronco]

So the 6th WR slot if we keep 6 is now between Terrell, Devoe and Clark. Looks like Hixon is a cert for IR. That'll be like an extra 4th rounder next year.

I hope it's Devoe...because he's hungry

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The cowboys must have been hard up... they could have waited until the first cutdown day

[Kaylore]

Cool. They got a pick for someone they were probably going to cut anyway.
Yeah. I actually thought it was going to be a conditional seventh and thusly nothing at all.

[SoCalBronco]

GREAT news.

[Clockwork Orange]

I hope it's Devoe...because he's hungry

Nobody's hungrier than David Kircus.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/20060815_110131_sp16bronx1.jpg

;D

[Kaylore]

I bet we keep (no particular order)Kircus, Rod, Walker, Marshall, Watts - maybe Devoe depending on how many TE's they carry and if they decide to keep two or three QB's.

[CBF1]

Nobody's hungrier than David Kircus.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/20060815_110131_sp16bronx1.jpg

;D

Please tell me that is not David Kircus :)

Looks like time has about run out on David Terrel in Denver.... We hardly got to know him.

[Ballhawk]

The cowboys must have been hard up... they could have waited until the first cutdown day

They had actual game film to look at on Adams and no guarantee he wouldn't sign with someone else. Better than taking some scrub from the first wave of cuts.

[ozomulsion]

I bet we keep (no particular order)Kircus, Rod, Walker, Marshall, Watts - maybe Devoe depending on how many TE's they carry and if they decide to keep two or three QB's.
Who do you think our return man would be if we cut Clark? Darrent can do punts but he's too valuable to be returning KOs. Kircus looked awful returning kicks.

[Kaylore]

Who do you think our return man would be if we cut Clark? Darrent can do punts but he's too valuable to be returning KOs. Kircus looked awful returning kicks.
That was one game. Let's watch and see for a bit. If we can make clark stick, I'd be in heaven because next year he's going to be awesome for us. He'll be our new deep threat.

[ozomulsion]

That was one game. Let's watch and see for a bit. If we can make clark stick, I'd be in heaven because next year he's going to be awesome for us. He'll be our new deep threat.

So you think Kircus will be our KO returner? Who would be your guess as of now?

[Killericon]

Even if it was a 7th round, we robbed these guys.

[Dedhed]

IT can not be higher the 6th rounder can it???
Money for nothing.

[BroncoBen]

Good for Charlie Adams, Great for Denver...

From what I have read, it's a straight up #6 pick for Adams, not conditional. Adams could make the pro-bowl and it would still be a #6 or he could get cut, and the Broncos still get a #6 pick.

I do think Charlie was on the bubble anyway.
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[Requiem]

It's been confirmed by the Dallas Cowboys that it is indeed a sixth round choice. A free pick for a guy who wasn't going to make our team anyways. That's nice. The value for a sixth round pick is between 30 to 15 value points on most boards. That's not going to get you many places, but a package of a 5th and a 6th depending on the placement of each could get you into round four. That's not bad. Also, if you're in the high fourth round and would like to move up for a guy in the third (or same with the fifth moving up to the fourth) you can move up some spaces there as well.

Always nice to have more draft picks and ammunition that will allow you to get things done. Right, SoCal?

[Tass]

Man, being a Cowboys fan I am confused and disappointed with this deal. I mean if we were going to try for a Bronc WR we should have gone after Lelie or Kircus.

The general sentiment in Cowboyland is that Parcells brought in this Adams guy to light a fire under our rookie pick Skyler Green. I mean if Adams doesn't make the team we get our draft pick back.

Good luck this year, Denverites!

[Tass]

CBF1...umm, who's the inhumanly hot gal in your avatar?

[ward63]

Man, being a Cowboys fan I am confused and disappointed with this deal. I mean if we were going to try for a Bronc WR we should have gone after Lelie or Kircus.

The general sentiment in Cowboyland is that Parcells brought in this Adams guy to light a fire under our rookie pick Skyler Green. I mean if Adams doesn't make the team we get our draft pick back.

Good luck this year, Denverites!

Dude, it was for a 6th rounder. YOu don't get it back.

[MechanicalBull]

Man, being a Cowboys fan I am confused and disappointed with this deal. I mean if we were going to try for a Bronc WR we should have gone after Lelie or Kircus.

The general sentiment in Cowboyland is that Parcells brought in this Adams guy to light a fire under our rookie pick Skyler Green. I mean if Adams doesn't make the team we get our draft pick back.

Good luck this year, Denverites!

reports are coming out saying its a straight up deal and not a conditional pick so it doesn't matter if Adams plays or gets cut.

[ward63]

So who do you guys got as being the final WR depth? Name off 1-6, since I think we'll keep 6.

[Tass]

reports are coming out saying its a straight up deal and not a conditional pick so it doesn't matter if Adams plays or gets cut.

Then it was a very, VERY stupid deal on our part. Well done, Broncos.


...crap.

:cuss:

[Clockwork Orange]

Please tell me that is not David Kircus :)

That is Mr. Subway, David Kircus. In your face, Jared! ;D

It looks like our top 5 at WR are pretty well set with Smith, Walker, Watts, Marshall & Kircus. That leaves Terrell & Devoe fighting for the 6th spot, if they are indeed going to carry six receivers.

[Requiem]

Brian Clark should be added into that mix as well, based on his return skills and progressions made as a wide receiver in camp.

[Barry Ramey]

My guess is it's a 7th rounder going to the Broncos if Adams makes the Cowboy team. If he doesn't, they owe the Broncos nothing. If the Broncos are getting more than that, then a steal for them since Adams only chance to make this team was if the WR corp suffered a rash of injuries.

[watermock]

I'd amagine if he gets cut, it'll just be a 7th, but if he makes the team, plays WR/KR/PR, it could possibly be as high as a 3rd or 4th.

I dunno...I think that once you make a trade it's not revokable. Maybe it's hinged on his making the roster. I can't imagine the "conditional" would mean it could turn into a 5th. A 6th is just plain insane. I was 99% sure it would a 7th. Adams wasn't going to make team.

[Tass]

I dunno...I think that once you make a trade it's not revokable. Maybe it's hinged on his making the roster. I can't imagine the "conditional" would mean it could turn into a 5th. A 6th is just plain insane. I was 99% sure it would a 7th. Adams wasn't going to make team.

We had a CB named Pete Hunter that we traded to the Jets for a conditional 6th round pick. He didn't make their squad so we wound up giving the pick back to the Jets. I only hope that's the same situation here. If not then the front office is beyond insane/stupid.

[baja]

Then it was a very, VERY stupid deal on our part. Well done, Broncos.


...crap.

:cuss:

I think you might be pleasantly surprised with Adams he is a good ST player (returner) and a hard working receiver he was our #3 guy last year and is easily worth a 6th good for Dallas and good for us because we are deep in WRs and can afford to lose him.

[Barry Ramey]

I would have to agree if Dallas agreed on any conditions that this pick could get higher than a 6th for Charlie Adams, then they really don't know what they're doing and if a 6th I think is too much. Adams just isn't that special a player and not like the Broncos had much invested in him either. And when you look at all the WR's they brought into camp this year, even tried Woods, they couldn't be that enamored with Adams.

[stoxman]

Wow...kind of surprising. I know Parcells LOVES his 2nd day picks and has a history of trading down to stockpile these types of guys.

They must be VERY high on Adams to go straight up without conditions for the 6th. Great move for us.

[SoCalBronco]

Stockpiling picks. Very good, Mike.

A 6th for Charlie is damn good.

More picks, please.

[Eli_Cash]

Adams has worked pretty hard and came back more than once from being cut.

Good for him, much better situation.

More important, Broncos get something for nothing.

Front Office has had a great 2006.

[JCMElway]

This makes me think that we're trying to get leverage to move Lelie. Maybe a team doesn't want to give us a 2nd round pick straight up, but if we give them Lelie and a 5th or a 6th, maybe we get that 2nd.

[ward63]

Just too bad we couldn't of gotten Ellis. I'm happy w/a 6th though.

[watermock]

I'm very surprised nothing has been resolved in the Lelie situation. The Vikes certainly need a WR with Robinson likely on suspension all year. Novel thought to throw in a 6th to get that elusive second for Lelie.

[Crushaholic]

This makes me think that we're trying to get leverage to move Lelie. Maybe a team doesn't want to give us a 2nd round pick straight up, but if we give them Lelie and a 5th or a 6th, maybe we get that 2nd.

Interesting theory. We sure used newly acquired draft picks to our advantage during the draft. This may be Shanahan thinking again...

[Popps]

Sounds like a vote of confidence for the guys we have around. Adams has worked hard for a long time. Hope he has some success down there in TO's shadow.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Im happy for Adams.

but, ahahhhahahhaha,, not Lelie!! What, ppl think Charlie has more potential? Ha!

Let's think about this, a man who fights for all he has gotten in the NFL, who catches the ball and plays special teams, doesn't cry because he isn't the top guy, or a whiny b!tch who wants everything given to him, drops the ball, thinks he is the greatest ever and won't fight for anything. I wonder why Parcels and the rest of the league would pass on Lelie....lol

[youcandoit1687]

Let's think about this, a man who fights for all he has gotten in the NFL, who catches the ball and plays special teams, doesn't cry because he isn't the top guy, or a whiny b!tch who wants everything given to him, drops the ball, thinks he is the greatest ever and won't fight for anything. I wonder why Parcels and the rest of the league would pass on Lelie....lol


dont act like lelie has claws for hands or something, he only had 4 drops last year

[youcandoit1687]

cowboy fan(s), what is up with skyler green? im a LSU fan and i was under the impression that he would most likely be contributing as a return man and maybe even receiver, has something changed?

anything else up with the other LSU guys? spears doing fine after the injury?

[Crushaholic]

lelie doesnt drop balls, get your facts straight, he only had 4 drops last year

Absolutely. I just wish he wouldn't bitch about his role on the team. I liked Lelie when he played here...

[ward63]

Lelie would be the best #3 WR in the league.

[watermock]

Dropping balls wasn't Lelies problem. Being physical off the line and having the psyche of an eggshell was.

[Hulamau]

Mike's asking a 2nd for Lelie to draw as much blood as possible since we arent going to ask for an immediate player, but a draft pick in return. As such, there is no incentive at all for Shanny to do a deal on Ash until the beginnign of the season or even later. It also insures that Lelei has the least chance possible to get in sync with another team this year when he is traded.

Like Shanny said in tonights QB club meeting "I'm not going to make it easy on him"!

I suspect Lelie will surely be gone at least a day before he wins his freedom from the Broncos free and clear or before we have to waste a roster spot keeping his contract on the team.

Every team in the league knows this too, so its absolutely no surprise they are all waiting until our price lossens which it WILL. Shanny is hoping some one's top WR gets KO'ed for the season before he has to deal, and he can demand a high 3rd or lower 2nd for him since he's under no pressure to deal now.

He's trying to extract as much blood from what now must be a turnip as he can all the while saying " I like Ashley" with a straight face. :-) I imagime Shanny is a great poker player.

[penguintheory]

Good post Hula. I agree, Shanahan must be a nightmare to play poker against... the nastiest of all hustlers.

[Ballhawk]

I have a feeling a team will pony up the 2nd rounder. Minn has to see a chance to make the playoffs with GB sucking and Detroit still looking like a celler team. If Atl would just start Schaub and get Lelie teamed up with Jenkins, they could actually contend.

What I really want to see is Lelie go to the Bears and have Griese throwing him the ball again...that would be classic :D

[ward63]

Ballhawk, that's wishing evil onto somebody.

[Hulamau]

Good post Hula. I agree, Shanahan must be a nightmare to play poker against... the nastiest of all hustlers.


Another reason Shanny hasn't pulled the trigger on a deal yet is because he'd like to keep his options open just in case, God forbid, both Javon and Rod pop ACLs in the first qrt of the Titans game or anytime between now and the last minute he has before trading him or keeping a roster spot open for him. Lelie is healthy, in shape and knows our system like the back of his hand and could be in top form in 10 days of practice.

I suspect if that horror show unfolded Lelie would be back on the team in the #1 spot in a heart beat with all sorts of promises, paychecks and expressions of no hard feelings all around. At least not trading him now affords that possiblity too, even if it is a long shot.

[watermock]

Ms. Lilly put herself in the dunce corner, not Shanahan. Let her wear the hat a couple more weeks. I calculate his fines now are 226K or so. Maybe more for missing a game too.

I honestly think Shanahan has twisted his nuts long enough. Sadistic Bastard! I think he has sent a message to any other clowns that he's not to be trifled with.

Minnesota has lost Moss, Burleson and now Robinson. It's the logical choice and in a fast dome field. Johnson still has a strong arm at 38. I would guess the obvious...we have had talks with Dallas and that precipitated the Adams trade.

I don't think The Big Tuna is too confident there won't be a Big Tuna Melt on the horizon.

[ClevelandBronco]

Mike's asking a 2nd for Lelie to draw as much blood as possible since we arent going to ask for an immediate player, but a draft pick in return. As such, there is no incentive at all for Shanny to do a deal on Ash until the beginnign of the season or even later. It also insures that Lelei has the least chance possible to get in sync with another team this year when he is traded.

Like Shanny said in tonights QB club meeting "I'm not going to make it easy on him"!

I suspect Lelie will surely be gone at least a day before he wins his freedom from the Broncos free and clear or before we have to waste a roster spot keeping his contract on the team.

Every team in the league knows this too, so its absolutely no surprise they are all waiting until our price lossens which it WILL. Shanny is hoping some one's top WR gets KO'ed for the season before he has to deal, and he can demand a high 3rd or lower 2nd for him since he's under no pressure to deal now.

He's trying to extract as much blood from what now must be a turnip as he can all the while saying " I like Ashley" with a straight face. :-) I imagime Shanny is a great poker player.

Another reason Shanny hasn't pulled the trigger on a deal yet is because he'd like to keep his options open just in case, God forbid, both Javon and Rod pop ACLs in the first qrt of the Titans game or anytime between now and the last minute he has before trading him of keeping a roster spot. Lelei is healthy in shape and knows our systm like th eback of his hand and could be in top form in 10 days of practice.

I suspect if that horror show unfolded Lelie would be back on the team in the #1 spot in a heart beat with all sorts of promises, paychecks and expressions of no hard feelings all around. At least not trading him now affords that possiblity too, even if it is a long shot.

Back-to-back great posts, Hula.

[watermock]

I don't think that happens. Lelie knows where Dove Valley is. Shanahan isn't going to get on his knees even if Rod and Javon BOTH go down. It's all about competition for Mike. If a player pusses out because he thinks he is being picked on or something, all it's going to do is piss off Shanahan.

[Hulamau]

Ms. Lilly put herself in the dunce corner, not Shanahan. Let her wear the hat a couple more weeks. I calculate his fines now are 226K or so. Maybe more for missing a game too.

I honestly think Shanahan has twisted his nuts long enough. Sadistic Bastard! I think he has sent a message to any other clowns that he's not to be trifled with.

Minnesota has lost Moss, Burleson and now Robinson. It's the logical choice and in a fast dome field. Johnson still has a strong arm at 38. I would guess the obvious...we have had talks with Dallas and that precipitated the Adams trade.

I don't think The Big Tuna is too confident there won't be a Big Tuna Melt on the horizon.

Id like to see him in Minnesota too , its well out of our dvision and he could excell there too. Lelie played on carpet his whole college career and was unstoppable. With a decent-armed QB he could make that team very happy.

[shaun514]

cowboy fan(s), what is up with skyler green? im a LSU fan and i was under the impression that he would most likely be contributing as a return man and maybe even receiver, has something changed?

anything else up with the other LSU guys? spears doing fine after the injury?

It seems like Parcell's might be trying to have him replaced. He hasn't said much about Green other than he would have to make the team as a special teams player. And he traded for Adams who is likely to be a special teams player, leaving only one or two possible roster spots. They apparently like a guy named Sam Hurd, but I don't think he returns kicks or punts.

[eddie mac]

As far as I can recollect it's not just as straightforward as the Broncos wanting a 2nd rounder.

As Herc said previously it depends on who the trading partner is. If it was a decent team like the Pats then Denver would be looking their 1st. If it was San Francisco then they'd take the 2nd. Shanahan/Sundqvist have never lowered that.

[watermock]

That's complete speculation.

[penguintheory]

So the equivalent of a late 1st rounder for Lelie plus a 6th? That would be incredible.

[watermock]

Ha!

We couldn't get a first rounder for that pussy if we threw in less than our second. Shanahan is just letting him twist in the wind IMO. I know this much because I can read between the lines. I brought up the fact there is nervousness about Glenn and of course T.O. in Dallas. I'm positive there were talks about Lelie that led to Adams taking a trip. That's another opportunity down. This was a serious slap in the face to Lelie. IMO, Lelie has allready netted a 6th rounder. Going to Minn is a no brainer unless Shanahan just want to twist his nuts another couple weeks.

[Tass]

It seems like Parcell's might be trying to have him replaced. He hasn't said much about Green other than he would have to make the team as a special teams player. And he traded for Adams who is likely to be a special teams player, leaving only one or two possible roster spots. They apparently like a guy named Sam Hurd, but I don't think he returns kicks or punts.

I'm of the opinion that Adams was brought in solely to light a fire under Green.

[ward63]

Are there any other guys we can trade that'll get cut? I doubt it, but it'd be sweet. Cobbs/Dayne are the only 2 that I can think of that could.

[Requiem]

Somebody just said in a Parcells press conference Adams failed a physical? What?

[MechanicalBull]

Somebody just said in a Parcells press conference Adams failed a physical? What?

Beat me to it Req. I don't have a link or any confirmation but Dallas fans are saying Adams failed his physical and is heading back to Denver.

[WABronco]

Somebody just said in a Parcells press conference Adams failed a physical? What?
Yep...

It's on the Dallas scout.com board...

http://mb19.scout.com/fcowboyupdatefrm10

W........T..........F?

[Requiem]

I'm 12 minutes into the Press Conference and I still haven't heard anything. . .

[stoxman]

Ya know...this passing a physical is a smoke screen. I'm sure Lee Suggs passed that physical fine and you have to believe Adams is fine as well.

This is buyer's remorse and a legal way for coaches/GM's to wimp out on a deal. Sux.

[KipCorrington25]

It's on the Broncos website now, Adams failed physical and is coming back to Denver... so he'll be cut.

[Derger_Louis]

It's on the Broncos website now, Adams failed physical and is coming back to Denver... so he'll be cut.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5854

[maven]

It's on the Broncos website now, Adams failed physical and is coming back to Denver... so he'll be cut.

He sucked anyway. :wave:

BVP's day is coming.

[Vegas_Bronco]

It's on the Broncos website now, Adams failed physical and is coming back to Denver... so he'll be cut.

How do you fail a physical when you were just in camp working out full speed? I hope the Patsies call next.

[BroncoMan4ever]

dont act like lelie has claws for hands or something, he only had 4 drops last year

He only will catch a ball thrown almost perfect to him, he doesn't go for the ball.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Well that just sucks

[Hercules Rockefeller]

He only will catch a ball thrown almost perfect to him, he doesn't go for the ball.

Have you ever actually watched a Broncos game that Lelie was involved in?

[MechanicalBull]

Ya know...this passing a physical is a smoke screen. I'm sure Lee Suggs passed that physical fine and you have to believe Adams is fine as well.

This is buyer's remorse and a legal way for coaches/GM's to wimp out on a deal. Sux.

I tend to agree that it is a cheap way to back out of a deal. Not saying Adams really "failed" his physical or not, but that thought has cross my mind a few times in the past.