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minibronco

08-15-2006, 08:29 PM

How do you think Kornheiser did on Monday Night Football?

Tony has spent the last 10 years on radio and TV railing about how he doesn't pay attention to sports, and how he's in bed at 9 pm. But as a sports personality who is going to be calling a 3-hour game, you better be passionate as hell, because people need to feel it on TV. It doesn't seem like Tony has a passion for football. It sure wasn't there last night. Dennis Miller didn't have it either. This might be worse than Dennis Miller.

That bad?

"You try broadcasting a football game with Theismann's hand on your thigh!"

No, not that bad.

"Kornheiser, open-eyed, fit in well. He didn't sound scripted, and never appeared so eager to get his air time that he trampled on Joe Theismann's. He left the game-calling to Mike Tirico and the analysis to Theismann while carving out his natural territory as a snarky, but not irritating, commentator who will keep track of story lines and ask Theismann to explain terms like the silent snap count."

"And the star is newcomer Tony Kornheiser. He was the focal point of the telecast, and all things considered, he not only survived but was pretty good."

Kornheiser had to be better than the short-lived sitcom loosely based on his life. And he was. Much better. And that's even putting aside such a low standard as 'Listen Up.'"

"He sounded like he'd done enough prep work to reasonably comment on what amounts to a glorified NFL practice. And Kornheiser was as good as the action itself."

What do you think?

UPDATE: Which reminds me: Joe Buck, who everyone hates, has now been give 66% percent more airtime every Sunday on FOX. IN ADDITION to broadcasting a game, he will be available for post-game analysis with the crew. Joe Buck haters, your hell is NOW.

Garcia Bronco

08-15-2006, 08:39 PM

TK is funny. Let the play by play guy get all emotional

Killericon

08-15-2006, 08:43 PM

I liked him, but he needs to watch more football.

Also, he hates his coworkers. You can feel it.

watermock

08-15-2006, 08:49 PM

My opinion is he was probably more nervous than he showed. Joe T trampled the airwaves literally over the play by play. Tony was very raw which is surprising because they likely moved of their production crew from Sunday Night. Tony was pretty bad, but so was Tom Jackson except Tom was much more green. Tony has been on PTI for several years. I also felt he was rather disinterested. The crew kinda sounded like a local preseason TV broadcast, not a national one. It's their job to keep it flowing even if the game was terrible. However, it was a pretty decent game for preseason as it went down to the very last play.

Finally, WTF is this Madden cruiser they put together for Tony? They gave him a bus with 7 HDTV's and a queen sized bed. Stuff like that makes me say "GROW A SACK" I admit, I get nervous landing at Midway in Chicago when it looks like the plane is going to clip a freakin' house on landing. I just tell myself that why worry, you aren't going to change anything. I always sit at the window because I haven't flown more than maybe 50 flights and find it facinating. These baseball teams are warriors in the air. They don't have the luxury of taking a 38 hour coast to coast taking a bus.

I like Tony but wasn't impressed at all. I thought he was terrible honestly. I thought the whole production was except for Suzy Kolber.

Kaylore

08-15-2006, 08:52 PM

watermock

08-15-2006, 08:55 PM

I liked him, but he needs to watch more football.

Also, he hates his coworkers. You can feel it.

How would you like to listen to Joe Theisman for 6 hours from pregame thru commercials and breakdown? He wouldn't shut up. Most of his "analysis" was of Jr. High complexity. Why couldn't we get a team of say, Howie Long, Suzie Kolber and Dick Enberg? I think 2 of these three are gone but damn. I'm sorry I thought it was a horrible booth. They get a D+. With that scorboard in the middle of the screen and the constant graphics taking up 1/4 of the screen, the production gets a D-.

watermock

08-15-2006, 08:56 PM

I hate PTI. He is shrill and abnoxious. It's the worst kind of TV - effectively crossfire for sports. I'm no tlooking forward to listening to him during games. He strikes me as an east-coast whiner that wishes he could do baseball instead.

I got that impression very strongly as well Kaylore. He would of been much better suited for that. Even a Chris Mortenson or Clayton would be an upgrade.

Kaylore

08-15-2006, 08:56 PM

I got that impression very strongly as well Kaylore. He would of been much better suited for that. Even a Chris Mortenson or Clayton would be an upgrade.
I don't think he even likes football.

watermock

08-15-2006, 08:58 PM

I even think Woody Paige would be an upgrade. Woody has developed his TV persona IMO and would be a good light heart in the booth instead of the sullen Tony. It honestly looked like he was suffering.

Kaylore

08-15-2006, 09:10 PM

Why does ESPN feel the need to have three guys anyway? Is it so someone will babysit Theisman? Every other network has two guys.

minibronco

08-15-2006, 09:15 PM

UPDATE: Which reminds me: Joe Buck, who everyone hates, has now been give 66% percent more airtime every Sunday on CBS. IN ADDITION to broadcasting a game, he will be available for post-game analysis with the crew. Joe Buck haters, your hell is NOW.

minibronco

08-15-2006, 09:17 PM

I don't think he even likes football.

You're right. He doesn't.

"I'd much rather wake up at 10am every morning that watch sports."

Cito Pelon

08-15-2006, 09:31 PM

How do you think Kornheiser did on Monday Night Football?

That bad?

No, not that bad.

What do you think?

UPDATE: Which reminds me: Joe Buck, who everyone hates, has now been give 66% percent more airtime every Sunday on CBS. IN ADDITION to broadcasting a game, he will be available for post-game analysis with the crew. Joe Buck haters, your hell is NOW.

Dopey and silence would have been better.

SoCalBronco

08-15-2006, 09:41 PM

I don't really like him.

bpc

08-15-2006, 10:20 PM

I loved Tony K on espn radio show and PTI. I just think he is himself and its funny to see some corny old bald white guy get all worked up on issues. He really builds himself into a frenzy sometimes. That being said, i didn't see the game so I don't know how he did. I do not think he will translate well onto a 3 hour telecast. I could be wrong though.

ward63

08-15-2006, 10:29 PM

He's alright. I just can't stand Theisman AT ALL!!!

wabbit

08-15-2006, 11:06 PM

I really like Kornheiser...he'll get better & better as the season progresses.

The guy has a razor sharp wit, so expect some nasty barbs toward Theisman before it's all said & done.

Whether Theisman understands them or not is up for debate.

Remember last year when ESPN was assembling it's crew for Monday nights...Al Michaels hadn't decided whether or not to accept the ESPN assignment, but shortly after Theisman yapped on about what an honor it would be to work with Michaels, Michaels jumped ship without a word.

Leaving ABC is a big, big deal for a guy with his tenure & stature...he'll be missed there.

Rohirrim

08-16-2006, 06:15 AM

IMO, it was like attending the funeral of MNF. That part of NFL history is dead and buried.

Arkansas Bronco

08-16-2006, 06:21 AM

Dude doesnt even know what a silent count is. Get him out of there.

bendog

08-16-2006, 07:08 AM

He was better than Turico. They both stand at vagina level, but Kornheiser seems to at least have the ability to flirt a little before lunging out to try to kiss it.

HEAV

08-16-2006, 07:41 AM

I love TK.

I listened to him for years on ESPN radio! It sucked after he left, replaced with Cow-terd, do to conflict with management. I hear he is back on local radio in DC.

Anyway Tony did a good job Monday night. Does he know X's and O's? Nah. But he know's when a Vikings third stringer drops a easy TD, that the kid isn't going to make the team.

Trico is solid in play by play and leading the crew. Joe is Joe. Anyome notice the kiss of death he gave Cutler? He said " I have doubt's about both Cutler and Young"

I'll never forget Joe saying that " Tommy Maddox needs to develope more" "NFL europe would be good for him" Joe was right.

But TK is a funny witty guy. His shtick is his shtick!

ZachKC

08-16-2006, 08:10 AM

Joe Buck haters, your hell is NOW.
Ha!

SureShot

08-16-2006, 08:15 AM

I dont mind TK. Joe theesman is the worst. I cant stand him.

BroncoSoja

08-16-2006, 08:27 AM

The guy has a razor sharp wit

Reason number one why I really like the guy. I thought he was very raw in the beggining and sort of out of place, but who wouldnt be out of place with Theisman around. But I think he did a good job towards the end and as he gets more air time under his colar I think he will be fine.

I look forward to Tony confusing Theisman several times this season with that quick wit of his .

Bronco_Beerslug

08-16-2006, 08:32 AM

I hate PTI. He is shrill and abnoxious. It's the worst kind of TV - effectively crossfire for sports. I'm not looking forward to listening to him during games. He strikes me as an east-coast whiner that wishes he could do baseball instead.
PTI is good TV. TK is intelligent, quick witted and sharper than you or I, that's a for sure.

HILife

08-16-2006, 08:54 AM

I like TK on PTI although I liked Wilbon (sp) more. I think to help him in needs to pick up Madden and start playing it with some friends that know football. That's how I learned all this football stuff. Then he needs to create a personality or at least one better then what he has. They got the play by play guy. They got the football know it all. He needs to be the emotional, wear everything on his sleeves and try "keep'n it real" like he does on PTI. That might help out. Lets just hope he doesn't have a day of "when keep'n it real goes wrong."

GonzoLays

08-16-2006, 11:02 AM

Kornheiser is a terrible addition to the MNF booth. To quote Mock, "he brings nothing to the table."

Whether or not you like Joe Theisman, you at least have to respect the fact that he played the game and can give you some credible insight to what is going on. Mike Tirico knows the background of every single player and cheerleader in the stadium and is a smooth play by play man. Tony Kornheiser on the other hand cannot be respected for anything. He doesn't know the game and all he wants to do is argue with Theisman. At one point, he stopped Mike Tirico from announcing the game to argue with Theisman about a point he made two plays ago. He seems like a guy who is more hell bent on not looking stupid and always getting in the last word than announcing a football game.

He doesn't know anything relevant about football. The only reason he got favorable reviews is because his fellow sportswrites, and most likely friends, want him to succeed. He is one of them. Conflict of interest? Of course.

Bottom line -- He is terrible.

watermock

08-16-2006, 11:06 AM

I totally agree for once with you. I thought the whole production was attrocious except for Berman's pregame. Imagine the game with Tom Jackson instead of Joe, Suzy K. other than Cornholio. Instant upgrade. There are a dozen combinations I could think of that would be better. Hell, I would even take Willborn over Cornholio. Woody would be amusing too in the middle. Say what you want, Woody is polished in front of the camera and would make a decent "sidekick" which Corny doesn't have, obviously.

DeusExManning

08-16-2006, 11:19 AM

Good commentary, annoying voice.

RhymesayersDU

08-16-2006, 11:33 AM

PTI is good TV. TK is intelligent, quick witted and sharper than you or I, that's a for sure.
Quoted For Truth.

Tony K rules.

Mountain Bronco

08-16-2006, 12:52 PM

TexanBob

08-16-2006, 12:59 PM

I miss Paul Maguire. He's the only guy who actually breaks down plays to tell you which lineman made/missed his block, etc. Theissman just babbles on about nothing most of the time.

I'm not going to judge Kornheiser on one show but I remember how Dennis Miller's first few games he obviously had his jokes written beforehand and would insert them at the wrong time. Miller, however, knew so little about the NFL he was a non-factor and Fouts wasn't a strong enough personality to offset the wisecracks. It probably also pissed off ABC that Al Michaels was converting Miller to conservatism.

What ESPN is hoping for with Kornheiser is the Dennis Miller wisecracks except he can also talk football. Trouble is, I don't know if Kornheiser is either funny enough or x-and-o enough to pull it off. I do think pairing him with Theismann is a mistake. Pairing him with Maguire would have been better.

Clockwork Orange

08-16-2006, 01:06 PM

Football needs it's own version of Hubie Brown for MNF.

GonzoLays

08-16-2006, 01:18 PM

watermock

08-16-2006, 01:30 PM

If you don't like TK, its because you don't get his wit (not that there is anything wrong with that, each persons sense of humor is different). It takes a sophisticated dry sense of humor. Plus, he successfully shut JT up and proved that idiot wrong in his first time in the both. It was awesome. Also, Tony has always said he isn't necessarily the right fit for this gig, at least he is humble. Also, the Dennis Miller comparisons are a joke, Dennis was a pure commedian, Tony has a lot of sports reporting history (writing, radio and TV).

If Tony shut up Joe Heisman, I certainly didn't see it, nor a sophisticated sense of humor. In addition, that isn't for an announcers booth anyway, it's for a column or PTI. The place for announcers is to keep the appearance of a poor game moving with at least feigned enthusiasm. That was a pretty decent, close game and Tony just went thru the motions and appeared more bored than nervous as Joe rambled the obvious after every play. I don't compare him to Dennis Miller at all. I don't think a comedian has a place in the booth anymore than a bored columnist.

Billy Clyde Puckett

08-16-2006, 01:34 PM

I didn't watch the game, but anyone that can shut up Theezwoman is off to a good start in my book.

-Slap-

08-16-2006, 01:48 PM

If you don't like TK, its because you don't get his wit (not that there is anything wrong with that, each persons sense of humor is different). It takes a sophisticated dry sense of humor. Plus, he successfully shut JT up and proved that idiot wrong in his first time in the both. It was awesome. Also, Tony has always said he isn't necessarily the right fit for this gig, at least he is humble. Also, the Dennis Miller comparisons are a joke, Dennis was a pure commedian, Tony has a lot of sports reporting history (writing, radio and TV).
"Too hip for the room".

The mantra of failed comedians everywhere.

I actually thought TK was passable, possibly the bright spot. I'm not a big Tirico fan and Theisman is an annoying jackass in any context or setting.

I'm not sure it will work out, though. TK's humor won't play in the middle of the country and I don't think he's thickskinned enough to shrug off the criticism indefinitely.

DarkHorse30

08-16-2006, 05:43 PM

I really like Kornheiser...he'll get better & better as the season progresses.

The guy has a razor sharp wit, so expect some nasty barbs toward Theisman before it's all said & done.

Whether Theisman understands them or not is up for debate.....

Bingo. Kornheiser is going to tell it like it is......as opposed to the dumbed down Madden/Maguire cornfeed.

I think it's funny that Theismann is likely going to have to hire an interpreter to converse with somebody that has a brain.

GonzoLays

08-16-2006, 05:58 PM

Bingo. Kornheiser is going to tell it like it is......as opposed to the dumbed down Madden/Maguire cornfeed.

I think it's funny that Theismann is likely going to have to hire an interpreter to converse with somebody that has a brain.

What is Kornheiser going to "tell it like it is?" He doesn't know the game.

What exactly is a guy who doesn't announce play by play or understands the game of football doing inside a broadcast booth? What does he bring that was so needed?

You might as well let Kornheiser announce figure skating or bowling because he will bring about the same amount of "telling like it is" to those sports too.

GonzoLays

08-16-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by New York Times
"He left the game-calling to Mike Tirico and the analysis to Theismann while carving out his natural territory as a snarky, but not irritating, commentator who will keep track of story lines and ask Theismann to explain terms like the silent snap count."

I believe that quote tells you all you need to know about Tony's unquestioned knowledge of the game. A housewife who has never watched a game of football in her life would be about as relevant as Kornheiser.

Hogan11

08-16-2006, 06:31 PM

He's no McGuire, but he's not bad. I was afraid it was going to be like a non-stop PTI with Joey T rambling over the top of it....turned out to be much better than that. He sounded bored? Hell, I was bored with that terrible game as well, so I don't blame him....I'll reserve final judgement till a few weeks into the reg. season.

jossjeff

08-16-2006, 06:31 PM

I've never seen whatever show he is a part of.

I thought he was horrible, not bad, not ok, but absolutely freaking reprehensible as an announcer.

Those saying otherwise truly puzzle me.

If you are a fan of his show fine, apples and oranges people, one has nothing to do with the other.

Fran Drescher has a more appealing voice than he does.

You literally could sense the other two guys rolling their eyes when he spoke.

Why did he get this job anyway? He obviously doesn't know a ****ing thing about the game.

But he did get two of the four QB's when put on the spot by Warren Sapp.

:sarcasm:

To each his own but daymmm...

How somebody could say he did ok is amazing to me.

TK made me long for the godawful days of Dennis Miller.

watermock

08-16-2006, 06:57 PM

We will get better teams. The funny thing is it was a close game and the annoncers gave zero amount of energy to the game. I don't care if it was presesaon. it's their job to at least sound excited. The game came down to the laslt play and all they could say was "now we can just go home". If you don't think that's pathetic then whatever. You can debabe whether they should of gone for the tie. I think if BVP had gotten back in FG range we would of kicked the field goal. It's just a gut feeling Shanahan never rolls over.

I thought the whole production was very amaturish and poor. Suzy K. Excluded

Rohirrim

08-16-2006, 07:24 PM

ESPN took the flagship of the NFL and sank it.

Hogan11

08-16-2006, 07:36 PM

ESPN took the flagship of the NFL and sank it.

Actually, I've come to expect nothing less from ESPN. They even sank the only show worth watching on their miserable network (Primetime). Now I have to put up with HBO's Inside The NFL as a result....which, Carter, Marino and the tear-jerking, bullshat "Where Are They Now" segment aside, is actually sufferable but a poor overall replacement for the greatest of highlights shows to ever air. A pox on ESPN.

TexanBob

08-16-2006, 09:40 PM

He sounded bored? Hell, I was bored with that terrible game as well, so I don't blame him....I'll reserve final judgement till a few weeks into the reg. season.

I thought the open rooting for the game not to go into overtime was a bit unprofessional.

TexanBob

08-16-2006, 09:46 PM

Actually, I've come to expect nothing less from ESPN. They even sank the only show worth watching on their miserable network (Primetime).... A pox on ESPN.

ESPN didn't have any choice. Sinking NFL Primetime was part of NBC's price for taking the new Sunday Night package. They wanted a monopoly on highlights from the time the doubleheader games ended to the time SNF kicked off and the NFL gave it to them.

Yes, I'll miss Primetime too but you can't blame ESPN on that one.

FantomForce

08-16-2006, 09:50 PM

Just grand a hell of a lot better than that fag that changed his name to rhyme with a trophy that he didn't even win!!

ClevelandBronco

08-16-2006, 09:54 PM

Why does ESPN feel the need to have three guys anyway? Is it so someone will babysit Theisman? Every other network has two guys.

They're just trying to make their presentation the story rather than relying on the game itself. Can't blame them for trying, but those days have been over for a while now.

http://hcgtv.com/media/rated/mnf_team.jpg

ClevelandBronco

08-16-2006, 09:55 PM

Yellow blazers. What the hell was that all about?

TexanBob

08-17-2006, 12:49 PM

Yellow blazers. What the hell was that all about?

It was the 1970s.:afro:

Hogan11

08-17-2006, 02:08 PM

ESPN didn't have any choice. Sinking NFL Primetime was part of NBC's price for taking the new Sunday Night package. They wanted a monopoly on highlights from the time the doubleheader games ended to the time SNF kicked off and the NFL gave it to them.

Yes, I'll miss Primetime too but you can't blame ESPN on that one.

So ESPN rolled over for NBC & the NFL then without a fight...doesn't matter, ESPN still sucks and will continue to do so as long as they emphasize the E for Entertainment instead of the S for Sports in their name.