Ahmadinejad = Howard Dean?

[errand]

I'm sure by now everyone saw Mike Wallace's interview with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this weekend.

Now be honest...if his words weren't being translated by another muslim....would you not think Mike Wallace was interviewing any one of a number of leading Democrats?

Michael Moore?, Susan Sarandon?

Cindy Sheehan? George Soros?

LABF? Rohirrim? Bronco Beerslug?

Spider? Blueflame?

Bajafan? mhgaffney?

"He can save the economy using appropriate methodologies without killing people, innocents, without occupation, without threats."

"I am very saddened to hear that 1% of the total population is in prison"

"And 45 million people don't have a health care cover"

"well you see his approval rating is dropping every day...."

"Hatred for the president is increasing everyday around the world"

"We think that Mr. Bush's team and the parties that support him want to monopolize energy resources in the world..."

"Once they have that (monopoly of world's resources) they can impose their opinions, points of view, policies on other nations....and of course line their own pockets"

"The problem that President Bush has is in his mind he wants to solve everything with bombs...."

"Today is an era of thoughts, dialogue, and cultural exchanges"

How are this maniac's words any different than those we hear in this forum on a daily basis from the likes of all these leftist clowns? And they wonder why they have Muslim nicknames?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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"He can save the economy using appropriate methodologies without killing people, innocents, without occupation, without threats."

"I am very saddened to hear that 1% of the total population is in prison"

"And 45 million people don't have a health care cover"

"well you see his approval rating is dropping every day...."

"Hatred for the president is increasing everyday around the world"

"We think that Mr. Bush's team and the parties that support him want to monopolize energy resources in the world..."

"Once they have that (monopoly of world's resources) they can impose their opinions, points of view, policies on other nations....and of course line their own pockets"

"The problem that President Bush has is in his mind he wants to solve everything with bombs...."

"Today is an era of thoughts, dialogue, and cultural exchanges"

How are this maniac's words any different than those we hear in this forum on a daily basis from the likes of all these leftist clowns? And they wonder why they have Muslim nicknames?

Like it or not, error, everything he's saying here is true. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

But you never did get the concept that the truth or falsehood of a statement is independent of who makes it, did you?

Now, here's the part where you give me an Arab name and claim that I want the terrorists to win!

:laugh:

[epicSocialism4tw]

The LibFanatics around the country are probably accepting whatever this loon says as gospel.

Have Mike Wallace, Reuters, Dan Rather, and the rest of the media marionettes figured out that they are being danced upon a stage? Any half-witted human could figure that out. The important question concerns why they continue to let it happen, and what influence is leading them to abandon America for internationalism.

[errand]

The important question concerns why they continue to let it happen,.

...they don't let it happen to them. They are this maniac's willing accomplices.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The LibFanatics around the country are probably accepting whatever this loon says as gospel.

Have Mike Wallace, Reuters, Dan Rather, and the rest of the media marionettes figured out that they are being danced upon a stage? Any half-witted human could figure that out. The important question concerns why they continue to let it happen, and what influence is leading them to abandon America for internationalism.
What seems to puzzle the religious right and neocons of the world is why does everyone else have the right to breath and exist.

[BroncoBuff]

Who cares who says it? As long as it's true - and it's all true!

Your argument is specious, to be kind. HERE'S A SIMILAR COMPARISON:

If Osama bin-Laden says the Broncos are his favorite team, then all 2000 of us on the OrangeMane are terrorist sympathizers who hate America?!


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/472/osama1mkrk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Turn in your citizen cards, everyone on the Mane! Mach schnell!

[BroncoBuff]

FLASH BULLETIN! This just in ... Notes found in German archives reveal that Adolf Hitler loved mountains, and believed the American Rocky Mountains to be as beautiful as any mountains in the world ....

errand calls on all patriotic, right-thinking Americans to assist in destruction of the entire range."

[Mile High Shack]

I can't believe people are defending this maniac

he is a modern day Hitler if you ask me, wanting to round up the Jews and slaughter them all, he believe it is his role in life to bring about the Muslim apocolypse, something about Muhammed still being alive and coming back to earth or something.........and he wants to kill all the infidels to hasten Muhammed's coming again.

The guy is a straight up maniac and we have people saying he is right

wow

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can't believe people are defending this maniac

he is a modern day Hitler if you ask me, wanting to round up the Jews and slaughter them all, he believe it is his role in life to bring about the Muslim apocolypse, something about Muhammed still being alive and coming back to earth or something.........and he wants to kill all the infidels to hasten Muhammed's coming again.

The guy is a straight up maniac and we have people saying he is right

wow


How come it's so hard for people to actually understand what other people are saying?

[Rohirrim]

I'm sure by now everyone saw Mike Wallace's interview with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this weekend.

Now be honest...if his words weren't being translated by another muslim....would you not think Mike Wallace was interviewing any one of a number of leading Democrats?

Michael Moore?, Susan Sarandon?

Cindy Sheehan? George Soros?

LABF? Rohirrim? Bronco Beerslug?

Spider? Blueflame?

Bajafan? mhgaffney?

"He can save the economy using appropriate methodologies without killing people, innocents, without occupation, without threats."

"I am very saddened to hear that 1% of the total population is in prison"

"And 45 million people don't have a health care cover"

"well you see his approval rating is dropping every day...."

"Hatred for the president is increasing everyday around the world"

"We think that Mr. Bush's team and the parties that support him want to monopolize energy resources in the world..."

"Once they have that (monopoly of world's resources) they can impose their opinions, points of view, policies on other nations....and of course line their own pockets"

"The problem that President Bush has is in his mind he wants to solve everything with bombs...."

"Today is an era of thoughts, dialogue, and cultural exchanges"

How are this maniac's words any different than those we hear in this forum on a daily basis from the likes of all these leftist clowns? And they wonder why they have Muslim nicknames?

Well, there goes the whole "decency" thing. Interesting, though, how the troglodyte mind can be guided toward certain conclusions without too much intervention - just a continuous series of hints, insinuations and suggestions from the leadership and their media operatives in talk radio and Faux Newz. Of course, ignorance has always been the fertile soil of tyrants and despots.

Take Cheney (and Leiberman's) recent "suggestion" that anyone who supports pulling out of Iraq is serving the needs of the terrorists. Pure logic would tell you that the Cheney drive to invade Iraq, which Bush fulfilled for him, has come to ruin. It didn't come to ruin because the Left undermined the effort (hell, they voted for it too), but because Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, et al are totally incompetent and have completely screwed up the mission. Their incompetence has left our nation with two choices in Iraq - We can leave in the face of an uncontrollable civil war - Or we can draft, train, and send in 200,000 to 300,000 troops - because that is what it will take to turn this around.

What do Cheney/Bush/Rove do instead of facing the facts? They bend their abject failure into an attack on their political opponents. They throw smoke in the eyes of the troglodytes who, instead of opening their eyes to the disaster this administration has visited upon our country, snap right into line and join in the attack on the opposition - smearing, lying, selling out their own honor - whatever it takes to be a good ditto stooge.

Will they ever stop for a moment and try to think for themselves? Doubtful.

But here's some more simple logic: Will Al Queda try to attack us if we leave Iraq? Yes. Will they try to attack us if we don't leave Iraq? Yes. If we only partially leave Iraq, will they try to attack us? Yes. If the opposition party went totally silent and refused to comment on any subject whatsover, would Al Queda still try to attack us? Yes.

If the leader of Iran tries to drive a wedge between Americans and manipulate them, will they fall for it and join our enemies in an attack on their fellow Americans? Sure.

Their party is more important than their country.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If the leader of Iran tries to drive a wedge between Americans and manipulate them, will they fall for it and join our enemies in an attack on their fellow Americans? Sure.
Their party is more important than their country.

This baffles me. Why do so many Americans lack the basic common sense and logic I thought we all were born with?

[Rohirrim]

This baffles me. Why do so many Americans lack the basic common sense and logic I thought we all were born with?

If there's anything that history has taught us, common sense is one of the most uncommon things on earth. ;)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If there's anything that history has taught us, common sense is one of the most uncommon things on earth. ;)
The first thoughts I had when I read Errant's posting of this scumbag's quotes on Bush and the U.S. were, well, everyone of them are pretty accurate. Second thought was I bet since Errant was trying to link these statements from a delusional idiot to the "libs" that some of the neocons, republicans and religious right here would chime in with the party line right in step with Errant and I wasn't disappointed (actually I was but hoping for thoughtful and informed opinion here is a reach sometimes).

[BroncoBuff]

The guy is a straight up maniac and we have people saying he is right

wow
Yes, Ahmadinejad IS a straight-up maniac.

So are serial killers.

Many serial killers order KFC for their last meal ...

We should then, as patriots, firebomb all KFCs.

wow.

[BroncoBuff]

Take Cheney (and Leiberman's) recent "suggestion" that anyone who supports pulling out of Iraq is serving the needs of the terrorists.


You had a great post turning this argument around backwards to prove how foolish it is ... but I can't find it! ? ? ?

[BroncoInferno]

I'm sure by now everyone saw Mike Wallace's interview with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this weekend.

Now be honest...if his words weren't being translated by another muslim....would you not think Mike Wallace was interviewing any one of a number of leading Democrats?

Michael Moore?, Susan Sarandon?

Cindy Sheehan? George Soros?

LABF? Rohirrim? Bronco Beerslug?

Spider? Blueflame?

Bajafan? mhgaffney?

"He can save the economy using appropriate methodologies without killing people, innocents, without occupation, without threats."

"I am very saddened to hear that 1% of the total population is in prison"

"And 45 million people don't have a health care cover"

"well you see his approval rating is dropping every day...."

"Hatred for the president is increasing everyday around the world"

"We think that Mr. Bush's team and the parties that support him want to monopolize energy resources in the world..."

"Once they have that (monopoly of world's resources) they can impose their opinions, points of view, policies on other nations....and of course line their own pockets"

"The problem that President Bush has is in his mind he wants to solve everything with bombs...."

"Today is an era of thoughts, dialogue, and cultural exchanges"

How are this maniac's words any different than those we hear in this forum on a daily basis from the likes of all these leftist clowns? And they wonder why they have Muslim nicknames?

It's truly amazing how big an idiot you are. Statements are true or false independent of the individual making the statement. "And 45 million people don't have a health care coverage" is a true statement whether Ahmadinejad, Ted Bundy, Pat Robertson or George freakin' Bush says it. It's a fact.

Why do you and those who think like you have such a damned hard time making the simplest distinctions? Did you drop out of school before you got to civics?

[Rohirrim]

You had a great post turning this argument around backwards to prove how foolish it is ... but I can't find it! ? ? ?

This one?:

What I can't figure out is this; Cheney, and his new lapdog Lieberman, tell us that if we pull out of Iraq, the terrorists will see this as a sign of weakness and they will hit us again.

I'm assuming if we stay in Iraq for 5, 10 or 20 years, they won't hit us again?

Or let's say we are victorious in Iraq. Then they won't hit us again?

Or is it just if members of the opposition party SAY that we should pull out; Is that what causes them to hit us again?

IMO, in the interests of clarity, Cheney should issue a guidebook. I mean, we don't want to get hit again for some inadvertent action. We should all know the right thing to do and say.

If we only pull out a small percentage of our troops, will they hit us again, but it will be a smaller attack - say a letter bomb?

Help us out here Big Dick.

[Rohirrim]

The first thoughts I had when I read Errant's posting of this scumbag's quotes on Bush and the U.S. were, well, everyone of them are pretty accurate. Second thought was I bet since Errant was trying to link these statements from a delusional idiot to the "libs" that some of the neocons, republicans and religious right here would chime in with the party line right in step with Errant and I wasn't disappointed (actually I was but hoping for thoughtful and informed opinion here is a reach sometimes).

It's an interesting syllogism:

1. Bin Laden says that L.A. is a smoggy city.

2. Rohirrim says that L.A. is a smoggy city.

3. Rohirrim is a terrorist.

;D

[BroncoBuff]

THAT'S THE ONE!!! Excellent post! ^5


And thanks for the word "syllogism," I was trying to think of it.

The last syllable of that word works best to describe Tensi's and errand's posts. :yayaya:

[errand]

Like it or not, error, everything he's saying here is true. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.



What you cannot deny is that our enemy is saying the same exact words as you on a daily basis.

[errand]

Who cares who says it? As long as it's true - and it's all true!

Your argument is specious, to be kind. HERE'S A SIMILAR COMPARISON:

If Osama bin-Laden says the Broncos are his favorite team, then all 2000 of us on the OrangeMane are terrorist sympathizers who hate America?!


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/472/osama1mkrk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Turn in your citizen cards, everyone on the Mane! Mach schnell!

Yeah, well...Osama isn't a Bronco fan now is he? And the enemies of America aren't saying things like " I think the Broncos can do well in '06" now are they?

What they are saying is that they know who in America is on their side

[Rigs11]

What you cannot deny is that our enemy is saying the same exact words as you on a daily basis.
Cletus I think you're a clown,Osama probably thinks you're a clown. Were both right. Does that make me a terrorist?

[fdf]

How are this maniac's words any different than those we hear in this forum on a daily basis from the likes of all these leftist clowns? And they wonder why they have Muslim nicknames?

He's just playing our left. Stalin needed his useful idiots during his reign of terror. He murmured appropriate things and the left in the US just rolled over and wagged their tails and pretended he was an OK guy.

Similarly, Ahmandinejad understands his cause will succeed only by breaking the will of the west and he needs the American left to do that for him. Ahmandinejad could care less that more Americans could use health care. But that's why you hear silly stuff like the above and like OBL's nattering on about the Kyoto treaty. Both of them know their most important audience is in the West and both of them are working on perfecting their message for its intended audience.

They have studied the Vietnam war. That's the way the NVA won the war. By breaking America's will via the left.

It is not fair to say that most folks on the left are in favor of terrorism. It is fair to say they have poor discrimination skills and will almost certainly roll over for this bs too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's just playing our left. Stalin needed his useful idiots during his reign of terror. He murmured appropriate things and the left in the US just rolled over and wagged their tails and pretended he was an OK guy.

Similarly, Ahmandinejad understands his cause will succeed only by breaking the will of the west and he needs the American left to do that for him. Ahmandinejad could care less that more Americans could use health care. But that's why you hear silly stuff like the above and like OBL's nattering on about the Kyoto treaty. Both of them know their most important audience is in the West and both of them are working on perfecting their message for its intended audience.

They have studied the Vietnam war. That's the way the NVA won the war. By breaking America's will via the left.

It is not fair to say that most folks on the left are in favor of terrorism. It is fair to say they have poor discrimination skills and will almost certainly roll over for this bs too.

A fine testament to the neocon's handiwork, you do them proud! I figure that by sometime in the latter half of this century that the right will finally understand what happened in Vietnam and will have a collective breakdown that will render them useless to the neocons for years.

[SteveTensi13]

Gotta understand. Liberals love dictatorships and have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history. Communism, tax cuts, vietnam war, Gulf War I, WWI, WWII, WWIII (aka war on terrorism), They just can't help themselves. I can't figure it out and most historians are also at a loss for an explanation. It has to be some mental problem, the "right" side of the brain must be dormant.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What they are saying is that they know who in America is on their side

You just can't help getting things bass-ackwards, can you?

Here's proof that just the opposite of what you are saying is true:

CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04

On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as “Osama’s endorsement of John Kerry.” But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.

This stunning CIA disclosure is tucked away in a brief passage near the end of Ron Suskind’s The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders. Suskind wrote that the CIA analysts based their troubling assessment on classified information, but the analysts still puzzled over exactly why bin-Laden wanted Bush to stay in office.

According to Suskind’s book, CIA analysts had spent years “parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, [Ayman] Zawahiri. What they’d learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. …

“Their [the CIA’s] assessments, at day’s end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public [was] not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today’s conclusion: bin-Laden’s message was clearly designed to assist the President’s reelection.

“At the five o’clock meeting, [deputy CIA director] John McLaughlin opened the issue with the consensus view: ‘Bin-Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President.’”

McLaughlin’s comment drew nods from CIA officers at the table. Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, suggested that the al-Qaeda founder may have come to Bush’s aid because bin-Laden felt threatened by the rise in Iraq of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi; bin-Laden might have thought his leadership would be diminished if Bush lost the White House and their “eye-to-eye struggle” ended.

But the CIA analysts also felt that bin-Laden might have recognized how Bush’s policies – including the Guantanamo prison camp, the Abu Ghraib scandal and the endless bloodshed in Iraq – were serving al-Qaeda’s strategic goals for recruiting a new generation of jihadists.

“Certainly,” the CIA’s Miscik said, “he would want Bush to keep doing what he’s doing for a few more years,” according to Suskind’s account of the meeting.

As their internal assessment sank in, the CIA analysts drifted into silence, troubled by the implications of their own conclusions. “An ocean of hard truths before them – such as what did it say about U.S. policies that bin-Laden would want Bush reelected – remained untouched,” Suskind wrote.

One immediate consequence of bin-Laden breaking nearly a year of silence to issue the videotape the weekend before the U.S. presidential election was to give the Bush campaign a much needed boost. From a virtual dead heat, Bush opened up a six-point lead, according to one poll.

Symbiotic Relationship

The implications of this new evidence are troubling, too, for the American people as they head toward another election in November 2006 that also is viewed as a referendum on Bush’s prosecution of the “war on terror.”

As we have reported previously at Consortiumnews.com, a large body of evidence already existed supporting the view that the Bushes and the bin-Ladens have long operated with a symbiotic relationship that may be entirely unspoken but nevertheless has been a case of each family acting in ways that advance the interests of the other. [See “Osama’s Briar Patch” or “Is Bush al-Qaeda's 'Useful Idiot?'”]

Before al-Qaeda launched the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks against New York and Washington, Bush was stumbling in a presidency that many Americans felt was headed nowhere. As Bush took a month-long vacation at his Texas ranch in August 2001, his big issue was a plan to restrict stem-cell research on moral grounds.

Privately, Bush’s neoconservative advisers were chafing under what they saw as the complacency of the American people unwilling to take on the mantle of global policeman as the world’s sole superpower. The neocons hoped for some “Pearl Harbor” incident that would galvanize a public consensus for action against Iraq and other “rogue states.”

Other senior administration officials, such as Vice President Dick Cheney, dreamed of the restoration of the imperial presidency that – after Richard Nixon’s Watergate scandal – had been cut down to size by Congress, the courts and the press. Only a national crisis would create a cover for a new assertion of presidential power.

Meanwhile, halfway around the world, bin-Laden and his al-Qaeda militants were facing defeat after defeat. Their brand of Islamic fundamentalism had been rejected in Muslim societies from Algeria and Egypt to Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Bin-Laden and his lieutenants had even been expelled from the Sudan.

Bin-Laden’s extremists had been chased to the farthest corners of the planet, in this case the caves of Afghanistan. At this critical juncture, al-Qaeda’s brain trust decided that their best hope was to strike at the United States and count on a clumsy reaction that would offend the Islamic world and rally angry young Muslims to al-Qaeda’s banner.

So, by early summer 2001, the clock ticked down to 9/11 as 19 al-Qaeda operatives positioned themselves inside the United States and prepared to attack. But U.S. intelligence analysts picked up evidence of al-Qaeda’s plans by sifting through the “chatter” of electronic intercepts. The U.S. warning system was “blinking red.”

‘Something So Big’

Over the weekend of July Fourth 2001, a well-placed U.S. intelligence source passed on a disturbing piece of information to then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who later recounted the incident in an interview with Alternet.

“The person told me that there was some concern about an intercept that had been picked up,” Miller said. “The incident that had gotten everyone’s attention was a conversation between two members of al-Qaeda. And they had been talking to one another, supposedly expressing disappointment that the United States had not chosen to retaliate more seriously against what had happened to the [destroyer USS] Cole [which was bombed on Oct. 12, 2000].

“And one al-Qaeda operative was overheard saying to the other, ‘Don’t worry; we’re planning something so big now that the U.S. will have to respond.’”

In the Alternet interview, published in May 2006 after Miller resigned from the Times, the reporter expressed regret that she had not been able to nail down enough details about the intercept to get the story into the newspaper.

But the significance of her recollection is that more than two months before the 9/11 attacks, the CIA knew that al-Qaeda was planning a major attack with the intent of inciting a U.S. military reaction – or in this case, an overreaction.

The CIA tried to warn Bush about the threat on Aug. 6, 2001, with the hope that presidential action could energize government agencies and head off the attack. The CIA sent analysts to his ranch in Crawford, Texas, to brief him and deliver a report entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.”

Bush was not pleased by the intrusion. He glared at the CIA briefer and snapped, “All right, you’ve covered your ass,” according to Suskind’s book.

Then, putting the CIA’s warning in the back of his mind and ordering no special response, Bush returned to a vacation of fishing, clearing brush and working on a speech about stem-cell research.

Al-Qaeda’s Gamble

For its part, al-Qaeda was running a risk that the United States might strike a precise and devastating blow against the terrorist organization, eliminating it as an effective force without alienating much of the Muslim world.

If that happened, the cause of Islamic extremism could have been set back years, without eliciting much sympathy from most Muslims for a band of killers who wantonly murdered innocent civilians.

After the 9/11 attacks, al-Qaeda’s gamble almost failed as the CIA, backed by U.S. Special Forces, ousted bin-Laden’s Taliban allies in Afghanistan and cornered much of the al-Qaeda leadership in the mountains of Tora Bora near the Pakistani border.

But instead of using U.S. ground troops to seal the border, Bush relied on the Pakistani army, which was known to have mixed sympathies about al-Qaeda. The Pakistani army moved its blocking force belatedly into position while bin-Laden and others from his inner circle escaped.

Then, instead of staying focused on bin-Laden and his fellow fugitives, Bush moved on to other objectives. Bush shifted U.S. Special Forces away from bin-Laden and al-Qaeda and toward Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

Many U.S. terrorism experts, including White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, were shocked at this strategy, since the intelligence community didn’t believe that Hussein’s secular dictatorship had any working relationship with al-Qaeda – and had no role in the 9/11 attacks.

Nevertheless, Bush ordered an invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, ousting Hussein from power but also unleashing mayhem across Iraqi society. Soon, the Iraq War – combined with controversies over torture and mistreatment of Muslim detainees – were serving as recruitment posters for al-Qaeda.

Under Jordanian exile Zarqawi, al-Qaeda set up terrorist cells in central Iraq, taking root amid the weeds of sectarian violence and the nation’s general anarchy. Instead of an obscure group of misfits, al-Qaeda was achieving legendary status among many Muslims as the defenders of the Islamic holy lands, battling the new “crusaders” led by Bush.

Back in the USA

Meanwhile, back in the United States, the 9/11 attacks had allowed Bush to reinvent himself as the “war president” who operated almost without oversight. He saw his approval ratings surge from the 50s to the 90s – and watched as the Republican Party consolidated its control of the U.S. Congress in 2002.

Though the worsening bloodshed in Iraq eroded Bush’s popularity in 2004, political adviser Karl Rove still framed the election around Bush’s aggressive moves to defend the United States and to punish American enemies.

Whereas Bush was supposedly resolute, Democrat Kerry was portrayed as weak and indecisive, a “flip-flopper.” Kerry, however, scored some political points in the presidential debates by citing the debacle at Tora Bora that enabled bin-Laden to escape.

The race was considered neck-and-neck as it turned toward the final weekend of campaigning. Then, the shimmering image of Osama bin-Laden appeared on American televisions, speaking directly to the American people, mocking Bush and offering a kind of truce if U.S. forces withdrew from the Middle East.

“He [Bush] was more interested in listening to the child’s story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the [twin] towers,” bin-Laden said. “So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events. Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.”

Though both Bush and Kerry denounced bin-Laden’s statement, right-wing pundits, bloggers and talk-show hosts portrayed it as an effort to hurt Bush and help Kerry – which understandably prompted the exact opposite reaction among many Americans. [For instance, conservative blog site, Little Green Footballs, headlined its Oct. 31, 2004, commentary as “Bin Laden Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush.”]

However, behind the walls of secrecy at Langley, Virginia, U.S. intelligence experts reviewed the evidence and concluded that bin-Laden had precisely the opposite intent. He was fully aware that his videotape would encourage the American people to do the opposite of what he recommended.

By demanding an American surrender, bin-Laden knew U.S. voters would instinctively want to fight. That way bin-Laden helped ensure that George W. Bush would stay in power, would continue his clumsy “war on terror” – and would drive thousands of new recruits into al-Qaeda’s welcoming arms.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/070306.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gotta understand. Liberals love dictatorships and have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history. Communism, tax cuts, vietnam war, Gulf War I, WWI, WWII, WWIII (aka war on terrorism), They just can't help themselves. I can't figure it out and most historians are also at a loss for an explanation. It has to be some mental problem, the "right" side of the brain must be dormant.

http://www.bartcop.com/ho-coulter.jpg
"Quit plagiarizing me and get your own material, SteveTensi13!"

[Spider]

Come on you guys act as if these postings are Errands and Steves fault ....... It isnt , they have a mental block .........
you see Errand and steve will see somthing that is said that shows a flaw in the way Bush governs and his policies ...... They cant refute it , so they go into Mental lockdown , the you hate America and side with the terrorist line of thinking is thier only defense .........My theory is they are republicans cause thier religion dictates it , while Jesus ( yes I did do some studing on him over the last month ) never did take a political Stance on any issue , Jesus was more about teaching men how to get to the kingdom of heaven , and sharing gods word ........... Some how what Jesus did , and what he didnt do got lost over the years , people actually believe Jesus was a republican and would have invaded Iraq .........
So Errand and Steve rely on thier preachers word to guide them , so if Preacher X says Jesus drove a Ford and liked Charlie Daniels , Errand and steve will take it as gospel .........
Errand is worse at not thinking for himself , Classic example was the Jane Fonda story , make a long story Short , Errand said he knew everything was true cause his Sargent said so .........
so lets go a little bit easier on these guys ........ it isnt thier fault . Mental blocks are a bítch ...........

[Rohirrim]

As difficult as Spider's post is to read (;D) he does make the point. With Errand and Tensi it's finally starting to sink in that Bush is the worst failure of a president in the history of the U.S. and all they can think to do is lash out and smear their fellow Americans. It is understandable (even though I'm surprised that any American would go so low as to call someone they disagree with a "traitor" - but, hey - class is an individual thing and as O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter and Limbaugh have shown, over and over again, times have changed). Tough world for the puppets. After all, the neocons came in, took over the conservative party, and destroyed it.

Let's see:

1. Now America is stuck in a useless and expensive civil war in Iraq for no reason (other than the lies of Cheney et al) that has been so miserably managed that we now have no hope of victory.
2. Our enemies grow stronger every day due to Bush's F ups.
3. The ranks of Al Queda grow every day.
4. It is estimated by the IAEC that North Korea (which built absolutely zero nuclear weapons during Clinton's 8 years) will have the fissionable material for 10 weapons by the end of Bush's misanthropic reign.
5. The national debt and trade deficit are so large now that some kind of recession is inevitable.
6. The U.S. dollar is on the brink of collapse.
7. China has gotten ten times stronger building up its military on the backs of trade policies that sell out the jobs of Americans.
8. The American manufacturing base is gone.
9. Bush's economic revolution has created a host of parasitic corporate beasts who live offshore while they suck the wealth out of the U.S. for their own benefit.
10. America's standing at home and abroad has never been worse. We are far weaker than we were six years ago - AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

So keep waving that Bushi flag boys. Is so much easier to do that than it is to grow a brain.
:thumbs:

[Spider]

As difficult as Spider's post is to read (;D) he does make the point. With Errand and Tensi it's finally starting to sink in that Bush is the worst failure of a president in the history of the U.S. and all they can think to do is lash out and smear their fellow Americans. It is understandable (even though I'm surprised that any American would go so low as to call someone they disagree with a "traitor" - but, hey - class is an individual thing and as O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter and Limbaugh have shown, over and over again, times have changed). Tough world for the puppets. After all, the neocons came in, took over the conservative party, and destroyed it.

Let's see:

1. Now America is stuck in a useless and expensive civil war in Iraq for no reason (other than the lies of Cheney et al) that has been so miserably managed that we now have no hope of victory.
2. Our enemies grow stronger every day due to Bush's F ups.
3. The ranks of Al Queda grow every day.
4. It is estimated by the IAEC that North Korea (which built absolutely zero nuclear weapons during Clinton's 8 years) will have the fissionable material for 10 weapons by the end of Bush's misanthropic reign.
5. The national debt and trade deficit are so large now that some kind of recession is inevitable.
6. The U.S. dollar is on the brink of collapse.
7. China has gotten ten times stronger building up its military on the backs of trade policies that sell out the jobs of Americans.
8. The American manufacturing base is gone.
9. Bush's economic revolution has created a host of parasitic corporate beasts who live offshore while they suck the wealth out of the U.S. for their own benefit.
10. America's standing at home and abroad has never been worse. We are far weaker than we were six years ago - AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

So keeping waving that Bushi flag boys. Is so much easier to do that than it is to grow a brain.
:thumbs:
;D I should have reread the post , but on a laptop dial up it takes for ever .......

[errand]

Osama bitching about the US not ratifying the Kyoto treaty, and now Amadenijad is complaining about 45 milion Americans without healthcare.

Well, at least the Dems know they're getting their message out to their overseas base.

BTW, Spider my "sargeant" never said a thing about Jane Fonda. My information of what she did to betray the POWs came from a former POW who was a guest speaker at SERE school.

And as I said before, I choose to believe one of our brave veterans who went thru hell for this great nation....you choose to believe some whore who sat on an NVA AA gun and did what she could to help the enemy win.

[RaiderH8r]

What seems to puzzle the religious right and neocons of the world is why does everyone else have the right to breath and exist.
They don't. I just haven't gotten around to them yet. ;D

[BroncoInferno]

Osama b****ing about the US not ratifying the Kyoto treaty, and now Amadenijad is complaining about 45 milion Americans without healthcare.

Well, at least the Dems know they're getting their message out to their overseas base.

Sometimes statements are true or false independent of the individual making the statement. 45 million Americans don't have healthcare. That's a fact, regardless of who makes that statement. But I guess in your world if Amadenijad says, "Water is wet," that means water is no longer wet, huh?

Are you really this goddamn stupid, or are you just stretching for material?

[errand]

With Errand and Tensi .....all they can think to do is lash out and smear their fellow Americans.

Let's see:

1. Now America is stuck in a useless and expensive civil war in Iraq for no reason (other than the lies of Cheney et al) that has been so miserably managed that we now have no hope of victory.
2. Our enemies grow stronger every day due to Bush's F ups.
3. The ranks of Al Queda grow every day.
4. It is estimated by the IAEC that North Korea (which built absolutely zero nuclear weapons during Clinton's 8 years) will have the fissionable material for 10 weapons by the end of Bush's misanthropic reign.
5. The national debt and trade deficit are so large now that some kind of recession is inevitable.
6. The U.S. dollar is on the brink of collapse.
7. China has gotten ten times stronger building up its military on the backs of trade policies that sell out the jobs of Americans.
8. The American manufacturing base is gone.
9. Bush's economic revolution has created a host of parasitic corporate beasts who live offshore while they suck the wealth out of the U.S. for their own benefit.
10. America's standing at home and abroad has never been worse. We are far weaker than we were six years ago - AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

So keep waving that Bushi flag boys. Is so much easier to do that than it is to grow a brain.
:thumbs:

We're not lashing out, we're educating those on the mane about the evils of liberalism. It's a cancer, and it's never worked anywhere.

Liberal ideas never win @ the ballot box, they are forced upon others thru activist judges and courts.

No presidential candidate has ever ran openly as a liberal and won the White House.

Liberals seek to blame America for the ills of the world, and generally when given the choice will choose the side of our enemies over the side of their own nation.

Liberals are always duped by our enemies into thinking that they can bargain with them. They seek to appease our enemies, and when our enemies rise up and slap the hell out of us...liberals have the nerve to look suprised

As for your list of things that are nothing but doom and gloom (as usual a liberal doing what he does best)....I for the life of me can't understand why you would continue to live in a nation that has done so much wrong, is being destroyed on a daily basis, is hated by everyone except those damn war mongering Jews in Israel, and is on the verge of financial collapse.

God help us if a liberal is elected president and this war isn't over.

[Spider]

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BTW, Spider my "sargeant" never said a thing about Jane Fonda. My information of what she did to betray the POWs came from a former POW who was a guest speaker at SERE school.

And as I said before, I choose to believe one of our brave veterans who went thru hell for this great nation....you choose to believe some whore who sat on an NVA AA gun and did what she could to help the enemy win.

I see . still didnt happen though did it , yet you still claimed it did ........
Like I say it isnt your fault you have a mental block , see it isnt so much I believe Fonda , I believe Snopes , I believe the men that were in that line , they said it never happened .... But ignorence allowed this story to continue on ......... a Rumor spreaded by ignorant people like your self ....... But you are in good company errand , a lot of Pro ball players cant think for themselfs either ......... you just need to be guided through life ......

[W*GS]

4. It is estimated by the IAEC that North Korea (which built absolutely zero nuclear weapons during Clinton's 8 years) will have the fissionable material for 10 weapons by the end of Bush's misanthropic reign.

North Korea was working on nukes all through Clinton's watch. It's not at all the case that they sat back and twiddled their thumbs.

5. The national debt and trade deficit are so large now that some kind of recession is inevitable.

Why conflate the two? The debt (which has been rising for decades and will continue to do so as the baby boomers suck the entitlement system dry) and the trade deficit are unrelated.

6. The U.S. dollar is on the brink of collapse.

That's not so clear.

8. The American manufacturing base is gone.

Wrong.

10. America's standing at home and abroad has never been worse. We are far weaker than we were six years ago - AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

I disagree about the "far weaker" assertion.

[errand]

Are you really this goddamn stupid, or are you just stretching for material?

You leftist clowns still think it's about the words, huh? This idiot parrots you're talking points because he knows what makes you boneheads tick.

Just as they know that a picture of a dead child being carried out of the rubble makes you angry at Israel, they also know that you'll come rushing to al-Qeada's side the first time an innocent is killed in a firefight.

The point is that you guys through the manipulation of al-Qaeda and Hezbollah have been doing our enemies work for them......ala Vietnam.

These terrorists pull your puppet strings....and so you dance flavor clown, dance!

No nation will ever be able to whip our military, our troops are without equal in bravery, love of country, and sense of duty. Our weaponry is so advanced it's almost unfiar...and that's where you clowns come in. You are the equalizers between al-Qaeda and the US military.

They know that you'll fight for their rights to murder our troops.

They know you clowns will defend their right to plot our murders in the privacy of their sleeper cell condos and apts.

They know that even if they are captured, you'll see to it that no harm comes to them.

They know that you will take their side of any story they feed you (especially if it's about misconduct by our troops)because it's just not fair that we have tons of weaponry and they are reduced to strapping bombs on their infants.

Face it, they parrot your talking points because they know the only friends they have in America are you.

[Spider]

Face it, they parrot your talking points because they know the only friends they have in America are you.
LOL sounds just like Rush Limbaugh .........

[mhgaffney]

Ahmadinejad is mouse trying to roar

It never fails. In a critical moment -- exactly the wrong individual appears on the stage of history to make everything worse.

Ahmadinejad is another such individual. This man probably never met a Jew in his life, and knows nothing of Judaism. He won the presidential election on Iran NOT because of his views on Palestine or foreign policy, but because as the mayor of Tehran he had a reputation for honesty. He won the grass roots vote on his promise to clean house, eliminate corruption, and make government serve the man in the street.

His ideas on foreign policy and his bigotry were a non factor in the election.

Ahmadinejad's statements about the Holocaust probably have been misquoted in the West (does anyone in here speak Farsi)? But even so, Ahmadinejad gets the nincompoop of the year award for escalating the level of rhetoric. His inflammatory statements have played straight into the hands of the Zionists -- just as Nasser's blustery speeches did prior to the 67 war.

Even so, being a nincompoop is a far cry from Hitler.

Look at the history of Iran over the past 100 years. Iran has never been an aggressor to its neighbors. Indeed, Iran has been invaded several times (by the USSR, Britain, and Saddam). Nor does Iran have colonies or imperial footholds abroad.

If the spin maesters have their way, of course, none of this will matter in the coming days. Iran is already being portrayed as the greatest threat since Adolf Hitler. We saw the same demonization of Saddam Hussein prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Saddam was a killer and a thug, sure, but was strictly small time compared with Hitler and Stalin.

Ahmadinejad may be a bigot, but does this make him a Stalin? A Hitler? Naw. Try a small town ignoramus thrust upon the world stage, a mouse trying to roar.

MG

[BroncoInferno]

You leftist clowns still think it's about the words, huh? This idiot parrots you're talking points because he knows what makes you boneheads tick.

Just as they know that a picture of a dead child being carried out of the rubble makes you angry at Israel, they also know that you'll come rushing to al-Qeada's side the first time an innocent is killed in a firefight.

The point is that you guys through the manipulation of al-Qaeda and Hezbollah have been doing our enemies work for them......ala Vietnam.

These terrorists pull your puppet strings....and so you dance flavor clown, dance!

No nation will ever be able to whip our military, our troops are without equal in bravery, love of country, and sense of duty. Our weaponry is so advanced it's almost unfiar...and that's where you clowns come in. You are the equalizers between al-Qaeda and the US military.

They know that you'll fight for their rights to murder our troops.

They know you clowns will defend their right to plot our murders in the privacy of their sleeper cell condos and apts.

They know that even if they are captured, you'll see to it that no harm comes to them.

They know that you will take their side of any story they feed you (especially if it's about misconduct by our troops)because it's just not fair that we have tons of weaponry and they are reduced to strapping bombs on their infants.

Face it, they parrot your talking points because they know the only friends they have in America are you.

LOL Stupid it is...

[BroncoBuff]

Come on you guys act as if these postings are Errands and Steves fault ....... It isnt , they have a mental block .........
you see Errand and steve will see somthing that is said that shows a flaw in the way Bush governs and his policies ...... They cant refute it , so they go into Mental lockdown , the you hate America and side with the terrorist line of thinking is thier only defense ...
Actually I think John Dean may have found the reason for this. His new book "Conservatives Without Conscience," he draws on university studies regarding the psychology of the "authority deferential mind," and how authority-driven leaders (principally Cheney he said on Countdown with Olbermann) adhere to this almost blind belief and conformity. Here's an Amazon clip:
In Conservatives Without Conscience, Dean not only highlights specific right-wing-driven GOP policies but also probes the conservative mind-set, identifying recurring qualities such as the unbridled viciousness toward those daring to disagree with them, as well as the big business favoritism that costs taxpayers billions.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/103-8183842-0484663?v=glance&n=283155

I gotta read this thing, but can't spend $20-$30 on books anymore, and I'm #61 on the Seattle Public Library waiting list on this ... Although "Publishers Weekly" reviewed it badly.


One thing is FOR CERTAIN: Liberals are significantly more flexible than conservatives.

[Spider]

Actually I think John Dean may have found the reason for this. His new book "Conservatives Without Conscience," he draws on university studies regarding the psychology of the "authority deferential mind," and how authority-driven leaders (principally Cheney he said on Countdown with Olbermann) adhere to this almost blind belief and conformity. Here's an Amazon clip:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/103-8183842-0484663?v=glance&n=283155

I gotta read this thing, but can't spend $20-$30 on books anymore, and I'm #61 on the Seattle Public Library waiting list on this ... Although "Publishers Weekly" reviewed it badly.


One thing is FOR CERTAIN: Liberals are significantly more flexible than conservatives.

well I live in Wyoming , very redstate , I will tell you what I have found out about conservitives , they talk the talk , but they wont dance , Here is an example , about 3 months ago, I was comming out of Eastgate travel Plaza , just paid for my fuel , I walked by 2 guys standing next to a dodge pick up parked out front , when 1 guy actually said , "If we got to war with Iran , I thank god we have Bush as a leader " ......... I truned around and said , you are a ****ing idiot , Bush hasnt done 1 thing right , to show me he wouldnt screw up in Iran the way he did Iraq ........ that was the end of the conversasion .... they wouldnt fight , just talk ........

[Rohirrim]

We're not lashing out, we're educating those on the mane about the evils of liberalism. It's a cancer, and it's never worked anywhere.

Liberal ideas never win @ the ballot box, they are forced upon others thru activist judges and courts.

No presidential candidate has ever ran openly as a liberal and won the White House.

Liberals seek to blame America for the ills of the world, and generally when given the choice will choose the side of our enemies over the side of their own nation.

Liberals are always duped by our enemies into thinking that they can bargain with them. They seek to appease our enemies, and when our enemies rise up and slap the hell out of us...liberals have the nerve to look suprised

As for your list of things that are nothing but doom and gloom (as usual a liberal doing what he does best)....I for the life of me can't understand why you would continue to live in a nation that has done so much wrong, is being destroyed on a daily basis, is hated by everyone except those damn war mongering Jews in Israel, and is on the verge of financial collapse.

God help us if a liberal is elected president and this war isn't over.

I keep hoping that the Right wing talk radio movement will run out of gas, but it keeps going, and going, and going. Pretty soon they're going to convince their troglodytes that "Liberals" were responsible for Auschwitz and the Inquistion. Gee, I remember W.F. Buckley (godfather of the Right) bitching and moaning for forty years about the liberalism of FDR and Truman and Kennedy. Remember FDR and Truman? The "appeasers" who kicked the crap out of the Nazis, Imperial Japan, and the Depression? Or JFK, who "appeased" those missiles right out of Cuba? How about the original liberals, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et al. Yeah, those liberals have infected the U.S. all right. Infected it with liberty, which is the one thing the fascist troglodyte truly hates.

My favorite among the truly stupid Right winger arguments is the one where they remember (although dimly at best), that it was a liberal democrat who led us through the most dangerous conflicts of the 20th century - so what do they do? They pretend he wasn't a liberal.

You are ignoring the pattern of American history: The Right Fs America up, and then the Lefties come in and fix it.

[BroncoBuff]

What's up with Bill O'Reilly's radio show?

I keep hearing he's on thin ice ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I keep hoping that the Right wing talk radio movement will run out of gas, but it keeps going, and going, and going. Pretty soon they're going to convince their troglodytes that "Liberals" were responsible for Auschwitz and the Inquistion. Gee, I remember W.F. Buckley (godfather of the Right) b****ing and moaning for forty years about the liberalism of FDR and Truman and Kennedy. Remember FDR and Truman? The "appeasers" who kicked the crap out of the Nazis, Imperial Japan, and the Depression? Or JFK, who "appeased" those missiles right out of Cuba? How about the original liberals, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et al. Yeah, those liberals have infected the U.S. all right. Infected it with liberty, which is the one thing the fascist troglodyte truly hates.

My favorite among the truly stupid Right winger arguments is the one where they remember (although dimly at best), that it was a liberal democrat who led us through the most dangerous conflicts of the 20th century - so what do they do? They pretend he wasn't a liberal.

You are ignoring the pattern of American history: The Right Fs America up, and then the Lefties come in and fix it.

Exactly.

It's amazing how the typical Oxycontin Boy listener (read: errand, SteveTensi) is so oblivious to the history of his own country.

Given errant's hatred of freedom and love for authoritarianism, he should move to some country like China where dissent isn't tolerated at all.