Can ShanAHAN really be trusted?

[Circle Orange]

I mean, think about it. Doesn't Jake's situation have a lot of similarities to the Bubby deal? A well liked vet that had the famous 'vote of confidence' by the coaching staff? Then bam, no more starter. Sure, Jake's contract involves more money but anyone with a lick of sense knows he's on alert with the accquisition of Cutler. So now what? Will Cutler sit, or will it be the 'big Ben' rule? Young Qb, solid team. Reminds me of San Diego's situation with Rivers. Could be two new qbs in the afc west facing off over the next few years.

Even if Jake plays a solid season, then what? At some point Cutler has to play. When will they do it, how will they do it? :kiddingme

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I mean, think about it. Doesn't Jake's situation have a lot of similarities to the Bubby deal? A well liked vet that had the famous 'vote of confidence' by the coaching staff? Then bam, no more starter. Sure, Jake's contract involves more money but anyone with a lick of sense knows he's on alert with the accquisition of Cutler. So now what? Will Cutler sit, or will it be the 'big Ben' rule? Young Qb, solid team. Reminds me of San Diego's situation with Rivers. Could be two new qbs in the afc west facing off over the next few years.

Even if Jake plays a solid season, then what? At some point Cutler has to play. When will they do it, how will they do it? :kiddingme
This is Plummer's last season as a starter in Denver.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bubba didn't give a ****e...Plummer is on another trip.

[SureShot]

Next year. Unless the red sun of kyrpton has some super human affect on Cutler.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Plummer's ass is gone after this season.

[Meck77]

This Plummer's last season as a starter in Denver.

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.

[SureShot]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[watermock]

I don't get it. There is NO QB controversy, at least at this point. I do believe we will start sneaking Jay in games if they are blowouts one way or another and of course, your second string is always one snap away.

I think Jake will be here in 2007 but I could be wrong. I think he has some trade value around a late second, third but we might just let him be released.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.

As long as no dogs trip Jay up he's the starter next year.

[ludo21]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.


isnt that in the contract now? no dogs or small animals of any kind. :~ohyah!:

[JPEZ]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.

Not likely my friend........Jake will go down to injury, the kid will step in and never look back! :strong: :Broncos:

[Broncoman13]

Bubba didn't give a ****e...Plummer is on another trip.


BINGO! Bubby was just going through the motions, acting like the job was his no matter how he performed. That's the biggest difference here. Jake is having a tremendous camp and has said time and again, "This is my offense". He's going out of his way to help Cutler, I don't expect a repeat of the Griese/Brister episode.

[orange 4 life]

I mean, think about it. Doesn't Jake's situation have a lot of similarities to the Bubby deal? A well liked vet that had the famous 'vote of confidence' by the coaching staff? Then bam, no more starter. Sure, Jake's contract involves more money but anyone with a lick of sense knows he's on alert with the accquisition of Cutler. So now what? Will Cutler sit, or will it be the 'big Ben' rule? Young Qb, solid team. Reminds me of San Diego's situation with Rivers. Could be two new qbs in the afc west facing off over the next few years.

Even if Jake plays a solid season, then what? At some point Cutler has to play. When will they do it, how will they do it? :kiddingme

it all depends on what happens this year, how well cutler continues to progress, and what can be had in return.

remember that had brees not hurt his shoulder it was RIVERS that was on his way out of town.

the best situation for our team would likely be to have cutler sit for 2 years and then have plummer step down and retire or go to another team.
if plummer plays at an even higher level than he has been and we win a superbowl, then maybe its cutler who becomes the trade bait.
not a likely scenario, but then san diego didnt think so either and it almost happened.

[GonzoLays]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.


This is Plummer's last season as a starter (or in uniform) in Denver. Book it. Cutler could trip over his dog, cut his hand on a ginsu knife and break two ribs on the way down right before training camp and he would still be the starter next season.

[orange 4 life]

BINGO! Bubby was just going through the motions, acting like the job was his no matter how he performed. That's the biggest difference here. Jake is having a tremendous camp and has said time and again, "This is my offense". He's going out of his way to help Cutler, I don't expect a repeat of the Griese/Brister episode.

agreed.

a few things.
1) plummer is a MUCH better player than bubby
2) plummer is MUCH younger (7 years)
3) plummer is NOT taking it easy, and in fact has been helpful to the kid
4) griese had already been on the bench for a year learning. he was NOT a rookie that year

highly doubtful we see a repeat of that situation.
i dont think shanahan wants to quit on this season, and thats exactly what he'd be doing if he started cutler.
he'd also risk messing with the kids head.

[orange 4 life]

This is Plummer's last season as a starter (or in uniform) in Denver. Book it. Cutler could trip over his dog, cut his hand on a ginsu knife and break two ribs on the way down right before training camp and he would still be the starter next season.

we'll see.

there are alot of variables here, and i know the prevailing opinion from fans and media is that its a given, but its not.

[eddie mac]

This Plummer's last season as a starter in Denver.

And what if Jake has a great season, takes Denver all the way and wins the damn thing. You think Shanny is gonna drop a Superbowl Champion QB who's just had a great season???

[-Slap-]

Hopefully he won't be an alcoholic loner who blames his own dog for his drunken faceplants.

[Sassy]

As long as no dogs trip Jay up he's the starter next year.
Hmmm...even if the Broncos win the SB with Jake!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hmmm...even if the Broncos win the SB with Jake!
This is Plummer's last year as a starter in Denver :)

[orange 4 life]

And what if Jake has a great season, takes Denver all the way and wins the damn thing. You think Shanny is gonna drop a Superbowl Champion QB who's just had a great season???

no :thumbsup:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!

[baja]

Now that shanny has had a glimpse of what he has in The Kid he will unleash Plummer, one of two things will happen either Plummer will take a huge step up and become the player O 4 Life thinks he is or he will become Mistake Jake and get benched in favor of the hard to keep off the field Jay Cutler. It's going to be up to Jake how far he carries us this year.

I think Jay will win the starting job in October the temptation will become to strong for Shanny to resist.

[orange 4 life]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!

youre such an idiot.

i know its the ADD generation, but this is just ridiculous.

we were ONE game away last year.
we dropped two int's on the first drive and the rest was history.

are you that dumb?

10-6, 10-6, 13-3

improvements in plummers game. better receivers this year than ever before.
more wins in that time than any qb except manning and brady.

its certainly no guarantee, but our chances are very good this year, and plummer is a big reason why.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

youre such an idiot.

i know its the ADD generation, but this is just ridiculous.

we were ONE game away last year.
we dropped two int's on the first drive and the rest was history.

are you that dumb?

10-6, 10-6, 13-3

improvements in plummers game. better receivers this year than ever before.
more wins in that time than any qb except manning and brady.

its certainly no guarantee, but our chances are very good this year, and plummer is a big reason why.

The better receivers part is still in question. Defensive line, RB, BIG questions.

[freak6]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!

And that is why you have NO credibility at all.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

we were ONE game away last year.


Not because of Plummer. He's 32. If you're waiting for him take some giant leap forward this year, you're in for a disappointment.

[orange 4 life]

Now that shanny has had a glimpse of what he has in The Kid he will unleash Plummer, one of two things will happen either Plummer will take a huge step up and become the player O 4 Life thinks he is or he will become Mistake Jake and get benched in favor of the hard to keep off the field Jay Cutler. It's going to be up to Jake how far he carries us this year.

I think Jay will win the starting job in October the temptation will become to strong for Shanny to resist.

i think youre dead on accurate....until the end:)

honestly, i think unless we have a losing record the kid stays on the bench where he belongs.
you wanna risk throwing him in there too soon and messing with his head?
i dont.

as for plummer, i do agree that shanahan will let him play a little more.
plummer HIMSELF just wants to win, so he'll likely pull in the reigns on HIMSELF, but i do think youll see us go downfield a little more, and i think youll see plummer with a little more control over the offense.
considering how he's played thus far, i think that'll probably be a good thing.

also, i think its important to note a couple things.

one, plummer already IS the "player i think he can be".
for the umpteenth time today, the guy has more wins the last three years than anyone but manning or brady and he's done it with a 2:1 td to turnover ratio.

and two, if and when cutler takes over, and if and when cutler plays to the level plummer has, ill support him EXACTLY the same as i support plummer now, while many on this board will BASH him just like they bash plummer now.

lastly, me supporting the qb is nothing new.

i supported morton in '81, i laughed at the maddox pick when elway was in his prime, i supported griese in '02 (and i wont deny it like most will), and i support plummer now.

the guy has earned our respect and appreciation, and i for one will give it to him.

[orange 4 life]

Not because of Plummer. He's 32. If you're waiting for him take some giant leap forward this year, you're in for a disappointment.

he's 31, and he threw a whopping 7 int's all season.
wow. you really are stupid.

we went to the playoffs once in the 4 years before plummer got here, and we've been all 3 years since he took over....but thats probably just coincidence right?

what a numbnuts.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I watched both of your playoff games.

In one, he was nothing but a caretaker. The defense and running game did most of the work.

In the second one, he screwed it up.

You're not winning a Super Bowl with Plummer.

[orange 4 life]

The better receivers part is still in question. Defensive line, RB, BIG questions.

i dont know slug.

if walker is healthy (and he appears to be), i think its hard not to consider him an upgrade over lelie.
as for the 3rd and 4th, i think terrell, kircus, watts, and marshall ALL have a good chance to be more productive than adams.

as for the rb's, i just dont see it as a big question.
tatum and dayne are the same, and we've let big mike (more a great
leader than a great player, and we have plenty of leaders) go in favor
of a promising rookie.
i think the production there should be at least as good as a year ago.

unfortunately, i do agree that the d-line is a BIG question, and it was d-line that i was hoping would be addressed (instead of a backup qb) in the offseason.
there wasnt an impact player available, so the cutler pick makes more sense all the time, but the possibility of a trade will go down as an unknown, and if the d-line is our downfall this season ill always wonder.

[orange 4 life]

I watched both of your playoff games.

In one, he was nothing but a caretaker. The defense and running game did most of the work.

In the second one, he screwed it up.

You're not winning a Super Bowl with Plummer.

i watched the superbowl.

the steelers are never winning a superbowl with roethlisburger.

...or maybe they already did.

youre making yourself look more and more stupid by the second.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Roethlisberger is a better quarterback than Plummer. He took control in the AFC Championship game and rose to the occasion.

He also had a dominant defense. Plummer doesn't.

Enjoy 2006...the last hurrah of Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos quarterback.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

i dont know slug.

if walker is healthy (and he appears to be), i think its hard not to consider him an upgrade over lelie.
as for the 3rd and 4th, i think terrell, kircus, watts, and marshall ALL have a good chance to be more productive than adams.

as for the rb's, i just dont see it as a big question.
tatum and dayne are the same, and we've let big mike (more a great
leader than a great player, and we have plenty of leaders) go in favor
of a promising rookie.
i think the production there should be at least as good as a year ago.

unfortunately, i do agree that the d-line is a BIG question, and it was d-line that i was hoping would be addressed (instead of a backup qb) in the offseason.
there wasnt an impact player available, so the cutler pick makes more sense all the time, but the possibility of a trade will go down as an unknown, and if the d-line is our downfall this season ill always wonder. I'm hoping Walker will be 100% by week 4 or 5. Rod will be another year older and just a tad slower than last year.

Naming your #RB, a undrafted free agent, in front of TB and RD doesn't look good to me right now, maybe it'll work out but last year I knew what we had in MA. TE is still questionable too with some promise there.

[DenverBrit]

I watched both of your playoff games.

In one, he was nothing but a caretaker. The defense and running game did most of the work.

In the second one, he screwed it up.

You're not winning a Super Bowl with Plummer.

You mean you glanced at the games. Putting the loss all on Plummer is a crock! The D allowed 3rd down conversions all game and dropped two Ints that they had been making all year. No, Plummer was a part of the problem....it was a TEAM effort.

[-Slap-]

i watched the superbowl.

the steelers are never winning a superbowl with roethlisburger.

...or maybe they already did.

youre making yourself look more and more stupid by the second.
I watched the Super Bowl, too, and somebody got paid off. Mark Malone could have won a Super Bowl with the refs in his back pocket.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You mean you glanced at the games. Putting the loss all on Plummer is a crock! The D allowed 3rd down conversions all game and dropped two Ints that they had been making all year. No, Plummer was a part of the problem....it was a TEAM effort.

I didn't say he was the entire problem...but he certainly screwed it up and put his teammates in a bad position.

The Broncos aren't paying Cutler all that money to sit on the bench. He's going to be the starter in 2007.

[Steve Sewell]

And what if Jake has a great season, takes Denver all the way and wins the damn thing. You think Shanny is gonna drop a Superbowl Champion QB who's just had a great season???

It wouldn't be the first time...Trent Dilfer

[Steve Sewell]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!

Ah, back for more, eh Bobby?

[Steve Sewell]

I watched both of your playoff games.

In one, he was nothing but a caretaker. The defense and running game did most of the work.

In the second one, he screwed it up.

You're not winning a Super Bowl with Plummer.

Please Bob. If you think the Pittsburgh game was Plummer's fault, then you basically know nothing about football.

And if you think you're winning a Super Bowl with Herm Edwards, you REALLY know nothing about football.

[freak6]

I watched the Super Bowl, too, and somebody got paid off. Mark Malone could have won a Super Bowl with the refs in his back pocket.

Are you SERIOUS?!?

[Circle Orange]

And what if Jake has a great season, takes Denver all the way and wins the damn thing. You think Shanny is gonna drop a Superbowl Champion QB who's just had a great season???


See Trent Dilfer.:mullet1:

[Steve Sewell]

Roethlisberger is a better quarterback than Plummer. He took control in the AFC Championship game and rose to the occasion.

He also had a dominant defense. Plummer doesn't.

Enjoy your Super Bowl victory this year...the last hurrah of Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos quarterback.

All better. Thanks, Bob!

[Circle Orange]

It wouldn't be the first time...Trent Dilfer


Ouch! I've been clipped on this one (see Dilfer post). ;)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

See Trent Dilfer.:mullet1: And Doug Williams.

I watched the Super Bowl, too, and somebody got paid off. Mark Malone could have won a Super Bowl with the refs in his back pocket.

Sickening, watching that game.

[watermock]

I watched the Super Bowl, too, and somebody got paid off. Mark Malone could have won a Super Bowl with the refs in his back pocket.

It's disheartening. If was bribery or simply gross incompetence, just changing the refs uniforms isn't going to change that travesty. Holmgren was absolutely livid. I can't remember how many very questionable calls were in that game, but it was more than half a dozen. Even the NFL itself was embarrassed. They need to take a CREW to the SB not make it the Pro Bowl of refs that haven't worked together. It was absolutely attrocious. I forgot how bad it was till Slappy reminded me. The Denver game wasn't refed all that bad IMO.

[ØrangeÇrush]

unfortunately, i do agree that the d-line is a BIG question, and it was d-line that i was hoping would be addressed (instead of a backup qb) in the offseason.
there wasnt an impact player available, so the cutler pick makes more sense all the time, but the possibility of a trade will go down as an unknown, and if the d-line is our downfall this season ill always wonder.


Once we traded up, we had Broderik Bunkley for the taking if we wanted him... so the lack of impact player is bunk...Bunkley and Warren would have solidified the interior of this line for the next 6 years. Think penetrating and disruptive. Clearly, Shanahan thinks that Cutler is a bigger upgrade over Plummer than Bunkly would have been for Myers, at least long term.

[watermock]

It's a shame that Moroney went one pick ahead of our 22. We still got value out of the pick IMO by trading down tho.

[ØrangeÇrush]

it all depends on what happens this year, how well cutler continues to progress, and what can be had in return.

remember that had brees not hurt his shoulder it was RIVERS that was on his way out of town.

the best situation for our team would likely be to have cutler sit for 2 years and then have plummer step down and retire or go to another team.
if plummer plays at an even higher level than he has been and we win a superbowl, then maybe its cutler who becomes the trade bait.
not a likely scenario, but then san diego didnt think so either and it almost happened.


Cutler won't be traded...Brees was still in his prime, so it wouldn't be totally unbelievable to see Rivers traded, but Plummer is going the other way. He's got six or seven years left in the league most likely. Cutler will be here and stay here no matter what.

[SureShot]

Wouldn't everyone here agree the mantra of this training camp is the best will play. Why would you think this position would be different?

[HEAV]

Said it after the draft. Jake got screwed by Shanny.

My only question is once Jay is the starter and the team still fail in the playoffs whom will shanny blame then?

Sometimes better blocking and a solid pass rush go further than the QB musical chairs.

[BroncoSoja]

Not because of Plummer. He's 32. If you're waiting for him take some giant leap forward this year, you're in for a disappointment.

Sad when you agree with a Chief fan instead of a Bronco one.


Did any of you Brain childs even watch Plummer in the Playoffs last year? Did you watch him as he looked useless agianst NE and have to be handed the game by our Defense? Did you watch him as he tossed the game away agianst Pitt with his piss poor passes(end of second qtr and middle of 3rd)? Take away those two horrible passes and we might actually been able to give Pitt a game on National TV.

I have no idea what the love affair on this board is with Plummer, but it wont matter in a few years you flavor clowns will be all over Culters short and curlys.

[watermock]

Jake wasn't screwed whatsoever. Coming to Denver was the best possible thing that could of happened to him. I know I was quite surprised, but when I started looking into Jay I kept seeing positives, not some reach. In fact, Fischer wanted to take Cutler with #3. When you can move from 29 to a potential franchise QB you take it.

Plummer isn't acting like he's been screwed over. A better AFC Hunt game and we might of gone another direction. The whole team layed an egg or was simply outplayed, but Plummer had a poor game. You think it's coincidence that Shanny has commented very recently that he thinks he's good for another decade? I didn't hear that a couple years ago as he was wooed by Florida with a dinner fit for an emperor.

Whether Jake is here for one or two more years is hard to say, but his contract escalates and he will be too expensive to become a backup for more than possibly 2007. Denver made the best choice available when they picked him up off the street and he's a better QB by far than when he arrived IMO. I think Denver extended his career as a starter honestly. He's not whining, why are you? He will eventually be traded or simply given his release to seek out his best option. I think it will be the latter but I think he has some trade value. It's way too soon tho. If Jake is on the team in 2007 he will be approaching 34.

[listopencil]

Bubby Brister never earned the starting QB job in Denver. Never. He had a chance to do it after Elway retired and Griese beat him out. That's a substantially different situation than Plummer/Cutler.

[manchambo]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!

You guys couldn't win the super bowl with Joe freaking Montana. ROFL!

[Rock Chalk]

The better receivers part is still in question. Defensive line, RB, BIG questions.
True.

But then, there is another big question you haven't yet asked. How is Cutler going to perform in a real game? Will he really be able to perform at the NFL level or will he flake out and be another high profile bust?

Do you know? What sight seeing crystal ball do you have and what are next weeks Texas Lotto numbers? Seriously, where do you get your information that you "know"?

Or is it, you just hope it is so? I suspect the latter because if there is one thing that I absolutely do know, its that no one knows **** about what is going to happen. At best, they have a good suspicion about the future, but no one knows.

For all you know, Cutler will be starting midway through the first game of THIS season.

You dont know anymore than I do.

Sit down and quit pretending to know the future.

[baja]

http://iran.worldcupblog.org/upload/shocked.jpg

[BThe Kid will be starting before the year is done[/B]

This kid is special and I call bull shiit on the talk if you start him too early you will ruin him.

[baja]

http://iran.worldcupblog.org/upload/shocked.jpg

The Kid will be starting before the year is done!

This kid is special and I call bull shiit on the talk if you start him too early you will ruin him.

[Kaylore]

Shanahan will play the best player. SoCal and I were kind of getting pissed off during camp because we felt at the time that Mike Bell was outplaying Tatum and Dayne and wondered if Shanahan was just trying to force the issue of Dayne starting. Shanahan just had more patience than we did and sure enough at the end of the week Mike Bell was the starter.

The bottom line is Cutler is a first round QB - a high first round QB. We moved up to get him. We sacrificed picks that could have adressed our other needs to get Jay Cutler. You just don't move up and draft a first round pick and pay him his money so he'll sit on the bench. Cutler is going to start in future and the staff is more likely to start him too soon than too late.

[SureShot]

I too would rather him start too soon than too late.

[sbchampbronx]

IMO we have a team this yr. tht is ready to do the job. Why are we so focused on the future and Cutler, as good as that will be it can wait a yr. maybe two, but for now i have no doubt that plummer can take us ther..This time last yr. no one expected him to take us to the afc champ game. 7 pics! thats it? thats really good. if u honestly think cutler would throw less than 7 pics ur pretty dumb or a chiefs fan...o wait no diff.

[daniel80111]

Jake has something a lot of QB's in this league don't have. And actually something that very few QB's actually have. Full respect from his teammates. His teammates truly believe in him and that goes a long way in professional sports where so much is based around money and the business side of things. I think Jake's going to have a solid year, and put us into contention. It is not his fault that the defensive line is subpar in talent. A D-line that doesnt have anyone that commands a double team will foil in the playoffs.

[watermock]

Unfortunately, I don't think this will be a dominant team next year. I think we can win the division or at least get a wild card, but I don't see anything to cure the DL.

[baja]

http://static.flickr.com/46/127075618_9127e5bd93_o.jpg

[boltaneer]

It is a similar situation to Brees-Rivers in San Diego. Cutler will be the quarterback in a year or perhaps even in two years (I think it will be one). Money will dictate it to be so (and Plummer's base salary jumps up quite a bit starting this year $665K to $4.3 million.) The Brees injury gave the Chargers an easier way out of the QB situation but Brees wasn't going to be there regardless. That's why they never gave him a long term deal. The drama played out well but in the end everyone knew what the ending was going to be.

Plummer will play this year and maybe even one more and they'll bring Cutler along slowly, just like Rivers. It will be the best situation for Cutler IMO.

[DrFate]

And what if Jake has a great season, takes Denver all the way and wins the damn thing. You think Shanny is gonna drop a Superbowl Champion QB who's just had a great season???

See Dilfer, Trent.

[BroncoBuff]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!
And You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with ... anybody. :~ohyah!:

[BroncoBuff]

Unfortunately, I don't think this will be a dominant team next year. I think we can win the division or at least get a wild card, but I don't see anything to cure the DL.
Unfortunately, I agree with this. We saw what John Abraham and Andre Carter commanded on the market .... D-Line is critical to the Dee ... which is how you win championships.

Oh, Bertie Berry .... we hardly knew ye!

Biggest lost free-agent blunder Shanny's ever made ...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

True.

But then, there is another big question you haven't yet asked. How is Cutler going to perform in a real game? Will he really be able to perform at the NFL level or will he flake out and be another high profile bust?

Do you know? What sight seeing crystal ball do you have and what are next weeks Texas Lotto numbers? Seriously, where do you get your information that you "know"?

Or is it, you just hope it is so? I suspect the latter because if there is one thing that I absolutely do know, its that no one knows **** about what is going to happen. At best, they have a good suspicion about the future, but no one knows.

For all you know, Cutler will be starting midway through the first game of THIS season.

You dont know anymore than I do.

Sit down and quit pretending to know the future.
Sit down and learn grasshopper.

This is Plummer's last year starting in Denver. Why, because Cutler can actually stretch the field (throw it farther and more accurate than Plummer) and a team won't pay two QBs huge money. One will have to renegotiate to stay in salary and role, who do you think that will be?

[Mile High Shack]

Cutler looks good no doubt
but let's remember, Detroit isn't going to be a stellar defense, especially their backups...and they were throwing vanilla D at him

Give the kid some time, it will be next year, no doubt in my mind, but not this year, he's not ready

[Circle Orange]

Like I said before, just wait until Jake throws the first pick...and listen to the Invesco crowd. The wine sippers will screech the loudest before leaving for shrimp cocktails.

BTW, cute baybee, Little Shack.

[Orange_Beard]

Nothing is set in stone.
As much as I don't like Plummer, Bubby is no JAKE PLUMMER.

[Orange_Beard]

Like I said before, just wait until Jake throws the first pick...and listen to the Invesco crowd. The wine sippers will screech the loudest before leaving for shrimp cocktails.

BTW, cute baybee, Little Shack.


Image that, a QB getting booed in Denver. Jake will get booed, he has gotten booed, WAAAHHHH!

Elway was booed, Cutler will get booed.

F.U. for the "wine sipper" comment.

[55CrushEm]

You guys aren't winning a Super Bowl with Plummer. ROFL!
What a dip.....if Dilfer and Brad Johnson can win SB's, then Plummer certainly can.

And BTW, you guys aren't even winning a playoff game with TrINT.....:welcome:

[SportinOne]

ah yes, the time of the year where you hear the word "vanilla" more than all other months combined.

and then there is this:

Now that shanny has had a glimpse of what he has in The Kid he will unleash Plummer



Let's get real here, guys. Cutler played one game... One preseason game. He looked good. That's a positive. It's one little piece to the entire puzzle. There will be negatives. What will you say then?

Yes, Shanahan has seen all he needs to see with Cutler. Here's a few more things he has "had a glimpse of" and are now embedded into his base of knowledge:

1. David Kircus is the second coming of Easy Ed, except that he is just not clutch at all.

2. Mike Bell is the next Ahman Green.

3. Al Wilson just can't take down the more physical backs in the league.

anyone have something to add?

[DivineLegion]

ah yes, the time of the year where you hear the word "vanilla" more than all other months combined.

and then there is this:



Let's get real here, guys. Cutler played one game... One preseason game. He looked good. That's a positive. It's one little piece to the entire puzzle. There will be negatives. What will you say then?

Yes, Shanahan has seen all he needs to see with Cutler. Here's a few more things he has "had a glimpse of" and are now embedded into his base of knowledge:

1. David Kircus is the second coming of Easy Ed, except that he is just not clutch at all.

2. Mike Bell is the next Ahman Green.

3. Al Wilson just can't take down the more physical backs in the league.

anyone have something to add?


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols2/pointing.hand.jpg
Blasphamer!

[Victor]

Like I said before, just wait until Jake throws the first pick...and listen to the Invesco crowd. The wine sippers will screech the loudest before leaving for shrimp cocktails.

BTW, cute baybee, Little Shack.


Lesson number one...when you start a stupid thread and start to feel like an ass find a scapegoat like...those wine drinking, shrimp cocktail eating rich people!!! Everyone hates rich people.

You are truly the common man. Did you bring your lunch pail to work with you today? Enjoy your Keystone light this weekend. You are so authentic.

[Tom A Hawk]

You speak as if it's such a matter of fact. There are no guarantees in the NFL. Cutler and Plummer could both trip on their dogs tomorrow and BVP would be the starter.

ROFL! ROFL!

[Rohirrim]

I think the issue will come to a head if Cutler goes further into the Shanahan playbook than Jake can go. If Shanahan starts to see more options available than Jake can give him - look for the hook. ;D

[broncsyanks]

i dont know if anyone mentioned this. remember when brister had the job after elway retired and he gave it to griese. just a little fact to remember.
it will be an interesting change to see how plummer does against this hard schedule and with no kubiak

[orange 4 life]

Image that, a QB getting booed in Denver. Jake will get booed, he has gotten booed, WAAAHHHH!

Elway was booed, Cutler will get booed.

F.U. for the "wine sipper" comment.

F.U.?

for Gods sake why?
you have a problem with him stating the obvious?

we have less orange and more grey. we have less hardcores, and more casuals, and we have less orange crush and beer drinkers and more wine sippers than ever before.....but i guess we should ignore it?

no, how about we try and change it.

as for booing, its a bunch of sh!t.
shame on you for accepting it.
tom jackson once gave an interview in which he said that it took a decade into his career before he heard the first ever boo for the home team at mile high, and he was so surprised he thought it couldnt really be happening.

there was a time in this town when supporting the team and its qb was a good thing. now youre just labeled a "homer", which in the ADD fantasy geek generation is apparently a bad thing.

elway shouldnt have been boo'd, plummer shouldnt hear boos, and neither should cutler.
we should support our team, and we should do it wearing orange.
just my .02.

jake

[baja]

I think the issue will come to a head if Cutler goes further into the Shanahan playbook than Jake can go. If Shanahan starts to see more options available than Jake can give him - look for the hook. ;D

Well said and spot on!

[KipCorrington25]

Brister in '99 probably had the four worst preseason performances I've ever seen. That game against Green Bay in Madison was the worst single game performance at QB I've ever seen with the possible exception of DJ Busch with CSU the year that Van Pelt took over after a few games his sophomore year.

[Circle Orange]

Lesson number one...when you start a stupid thread and start to feel like an ass find a scapegoat like...those wine drinking, shrimp cocktail eating rich people!!! Everyone hates rich people.

You are truly the common man. Did you bring your lunch pail to work with you today? Enjoy your Keystone light this weekend. You are so authentic.

Who the hell drinks Keystone? Go straight with Budweiser or Coors. Maybe even...Molson. Bah. Who said anyone was rich? Winos get loaded for five bucks, and a shrimp dinner costs around 8 bucks. It's all about the attitude, not the wallet. And my thread ain't stupid, either. So go pick a fight somewheres else.:pfbbt:

And Viccy, baby...I ain't a common man. But you'll figure things out eventually.

[Circle Orange]

Image that, a QB getting booed in Denver. Jake will get booed, he has gotten booed, WAAAHHHH!

Elway was booed, Cutler will get booed.

F.U. for the "wine sipper" comment.


OB, such language. I might go into hiding. zowie!

[Circle Orange]

Well said and spot on!


That's the key, I think. If Jay shows the ability to grasp the offense quickly, the pressure will be on Shanahan to put the guy in (I get the impression he's eager to see how Jay will do).

[orange 4 life]

That's the key, I think. If Jay shows the ability to grasp the offense quickly, the pressure will be on Shanahan to put the guy in (I get the impression he's eager to see how Jay will do).

i get the impression he's eager to win, which means the rook will sit.

[fdf]

I mean, think about it. Doesn't Jake's situation have a lot of similarities to the Bubby deal? A well liked vet that had the famous 'vote of confidence' by the coaching staff?

I can think of only one tiny difference. Bubby sucked.

[Circle Orange]

I didn't quite recall all the details of what Brister was doing in camp at the time before he was demoted. So his performance dropped off to the point where he ended up where on the depth chart before they cut him? Second or third?

[SportinOne]

Brister in '99 probably had the four worst preseason performances I've ever seen. That game against Green Bay in Madison was the worst single game performance at QB I've ever seen with the possible exception of DJ Busch with CSU the year that Van Pelt took over after a few games his sophomore year.

I was at that game in Madison...Went with a bunch of my friends who were Packer fans. I talked alot on the way to the game, not so much on the way back.

[pdvd23]

The rat knows how to win and get the most out of the players. Jake gets better vision and more comfortable every year. Even though i would love to see Cutler's cannon on suday's it won't be until 2008.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

What a dip.....if Dilfer and Brad Johnson can win SB's, then Plummer certainly can.

And BTW, you guys aren't even winning a playoff game with TrINT.....:welcome:
Dilfer and Brad Johnson both had dominant defenses. Plummer doesn't.

And there's the inevitable Chiefs-related deflection. I'll respond by saying Trent Green will be the quarterback in Kansas City for at least a year after Plummer is gone from Denver. We wish he was younger than he is, because we're certainly not trying to get rid of him. I've seen him in the playoffs, and he was exactly what we needed him to be.

[24champ]

Dilfer and Brad Johnson both had dominant defenses. Plummer doesn't.

And there's the inevitable Chiefs-related deflection. I'll respond by saying Trent Green will be the quarterback in Kansas City for at least a year after Plummer is gone from Denver. We wish he was younger than he is, because we're certainly not trying to get rid of him. I've seen him in the playoffs, and he was exactly what we needed him to be.
Playoff not Playoffs bob. One playoff in how many years?Hilarious!

[2KBack]

so did anyone mention that When Griese won the job over Bubby, that Griese was in his second year. He wasn't a rookie, and that makes a big difference.

[0SE7EN]

I can't remember the last time the Chiefs even won a playoff game

[Popps]

If Cutler is as good as he looked in the last game, there will be no way to keep him out of the lineup. He'll be the starter next year if Jake doesn't win a SB. Given, it's one game... but he looks special. I don't me good for pre-season, I mean he looks special, like Terrell Davis looked special. You only need to see TD in one pre-season game to know he was the goods. Cutler is the best player I've seen in a Bronco pre-season since Davis.

So, it puts a pressure on Plummer... fair or not. Jake has performed extremely well with average talent around him. But, he's under the microscope and we spent a high pick on this kid. If he shows a few more games like that, he'll get the job.

Our defense will still get pushed all over the field in big games, but we'll have an upgrade at the QB position.

Result: The Broncos will still be watching the Superbowl on T.V., whether it's Jake or Jay at the helm.

[24champ]

I can't remember the last time the Chiefs even won a playoff game
1992 or 93 I believe.

[baja]

Think of it this way. Your driving a really nice truck, it's four wheel drive got a 4 on the floor with a granny gear engine still runs very good and still looks good.

But you got this tricked out Hummer sitting in the garage with the keys in the ignition the plates are current but the insurance does not come into effect for a while yet. Question is do you drive your new toy abit with caution?

[baja]

If Cutler is as good as he looked in the last game, there will be no way to keep him out of the lineup. He'll be the starter next year if Jake doesn't win a SB. Given, it's one game... but he looks special. I don't me good for pre-season, I mean he looks special, like Terrell Davis looked special. You only need to see TD in one pre-season game to know he was the goods. Cutler is the best player I've seen in a Bronco pre-season since Davis.

So, it puts a pressure on Plummer... fair or not. Jake has performed extremely well with average talent around him. But, he's under the microscope and we spent a high pick on this kid. If he shows a few more games like that, he'll get the job.

Our defense will still get pushed all over the field in big games, but we'll have an upgrade at the QB position.



Result: The Broncos will still be watching the Superbowl on T.V., whether it's Jake or Jay at the helm.

Popps post here is the best one I have seen on the Cutler situation, At some point Shanahan is going to want to play all his very creative play book and just as Shanny has had to put the handcuffs on Jake he also has had to handcuff his playbook. He is a mastermind and would very much like to call a game like one.

[Kaylore]

Wow. Circle Orange stuck her foot in her mouth. Apprently there are some people on this thread who have family in the wine and cheese industry.

[Victor]

Wow. Circle Orange stuck her foot in her mouth. Apprently there are some people on this thread who have family in the wine and cheese industry.

You've broken my cover. We've been blamed for far too much for far too long. Long live wine and cheese (and shrimp cocktail)!!!

http://img.timeinc.net/sunset/Premium/Food/1999/05-May/Cheese0599/CheeseWine0599.jpg

[Cito Pelon]

Wow. Circle Orange stuck her foot in her mouth. Apprently there are some people on this thread who have family in the wine and cheese industry.

There's cheese-eaters and winos everywhere, my friend. ;D

[SportinOne]

cheese was meant to be eaten on a cheeseburger, or at the very least, it should be accompanied by sausage and/or crackers.

[Circle Orange]

There's cheese-eaters and winos everywhere, my friend. ;D


HIC

*Waves bottle at everyone from nearby street corner.* :alky:

Yup, a gallon of Gallo wine on a hot day hits the spot. It washes down giant sized shrimps, too. You know, the BIG ones that look like lobsters at about 26 bucks a pound. Around here we call 'em TITAN shrimp...

[Joker56]

Okies... Letz look at dis..........
Elway as a rookie sucked.... lost a bunch of games as i recall....
So .. Do we want to throw Cutler in so fast ?
Da Snake is playing better... itz his team for now...
He should be doin better dis year ..
Da AFC Playoff Game..........
Yea Plummer looked terrible.... but not because he played badly... NO....
He looked ****ty cause he tried so hard to make plays when no one else helped him out TO WIN !!!!!!
Da whole team played like CRAP>>> so it was not Snakes fault dat we lost...
And sure... Snake is not Da Elway... never can be.. but he helped da Broncs go to da playoffs in his first 3 seasons ...
Cutler is da future... but i want him to learn da system and get some playing time in real games... not in preseason games...
For now i Support Da Snake and da Team... Hopefully we will have a great season...

Go Broncos !!!!!!!!


:pimp:

[BroncoBuff]

Sit down and learn grasshopper.

This is Plummer's last year starting in Denver. Why, because Cutler can actually stretch the field (throw it farther and more accurate than Plummer) and a team won't pay two QBs huge money. One will have to renegotiate to stay in salary and role, who do you think that will be?
Alec is right - it's way early, but I'm quoting this post for truth.