BVP's performance

[Sodak]

I was really hoping that he might be able to pull it together a bit for the game. His performance was dismal, everything around him seemed to fall apart. Was it Bradlee or did Cutler's amazing show make everythine else pale in comparison? I was, and still pull for BVP, but I'm not sure if I can stand to witness another outing like his last.

The line did little to protect for sure, but there's got to be other contributing factors in his suckitude.

Any thoughts? The board has ben mum on this topic since the game, or did I miss the infinity of BVP threads since? Maybe he doesn't matter at all since Cutler tore it up.?.?...

[WoodMan]

BVP was completely smothered his first couple of possessions. No time to even check to a secondary receiver, much less a third. He started with absolutely horrid field position also, due to special teams penalties. I don't think you could tell much from his performance toward the negetive side. He did put together a nice drive to the 5 yard line in the fourth quarter giving the Broncos a chance to tie. His biggest mistake came at the five when he took a delay of game penalty to the ten, then the Broncos still had one timeout remaining when the game ended. Terrible game management. It may cost him his job.

[Tredici]

It seems the kid's confidence (which is about the only thing he had abundance of) has been shaken. Cutler's moving past him on the depth chart like a Ferrari going around a Volkswagon bus on Floyd Hill probably was just a bit humbling.

In fairness he didn't get moved back to third string until late in the week so he was out there playing with the guys at the bottom of the chart. Guys he isn't to.

But BVP himself stated after the game that the delay of game penalty was because he couldn't get it together. Said he was really struggling.

At this point he should be beyond that. I think a lot of football personnel from college on have tried to tell him he isn't going to be a success at QB but he won't listen. Perhaps if he would've tried a different assignment he could have some type of career. At this point I have to agree that his time behind center is coming to an end.

[AboveAverage]

People can clamor about his attitude change, his great drive to succeed, his heart, determination, yadda yadda yadda....

The bottom line is he just doesn't have the stuff to be an NFL QB. I couldn't even imagine how bad our ship would have sunk last year if Plummer went down. I have nothing against BVP personally, but I hope we use the roster spot somewhere else.

[SureShot]

Thats what you get with BVP staying in the pocket. Hes jittery in the pocket in practice, its not suprising for it to be worse in games.
BVP is an afterthought after fans finally got to see JC's gun. I still find it humorous that some here thought that JC wouldn't beat him out for #2.
BVP has the heart of a pro, but not the skill set to play the position.
BVP gets cut sooner than you think.

[Florida_Bronco]

I said it before, and I'll say it again. I see BVP turning into another Jim Jensen type player.

[SureShot]

Which one?

[Kaylore]

It seems the kid's confidence (which is about the only thing he had abundance of) has been shaken. Cutler's moving past him on the depth chart like a Ferrari going around a Volkswagon bus on Floyd Hill probably was just a bit humbling.

In fairness he didn't get moved back to third string until late in the week so he was out there playing with the guys at the bottom of the chart. Guys he isn't to.

But BVP himself stated after the game that the delay of game penalty was because he couldn't get it together. Said he was really struggling.

At this point he should be beyond that. I think a lot of football personnel from college on have tried to tell him he isn't going to be a success at QB but he won't listen. Perhaps if he would've tried a different assignment he could have some type of career. At this point I have to agree that his time behind center is coming to an end.
I agree. I think he'll play better once he gets accustomed to his guys on the third string, but I don't think he has the talent to be an NFL QB. I'd try him at safety.

[Los Broncos]

Our o-line gave him no time, but he did put that ball on the to money kircus which he did drop in the inzone, he has to make that catch.

[Florida_Bronco]

Which one?

The one who played with the Dolphins...late 80's early 90's IIRC. He was a backup at WR, QB, RB and maybe Safety.

[SureShot]

The one who played with the Dolphins...late 80's early 90's IIRC. He was a backup at WR, QB, RB and maybe Safety.


No thanks.

[Florida_Bronco]

No thanks.

I wouldn't mind it. He was pretty decent player.

[SureShot]

I wouldn't mind it. He was pretty decent player.

1981-1992 was a different time. I doubt he could be an effective safety, or wr for that matter, in the NFL.

[Hogan11]

The QB to Safety thing rarely works...just ask Jarious.

I still think Shanahan is only going to carry 2 QB's this year....Linus went a long ways towards confirming that in Detroit. There's still time for him to get it together, but it's ticking down on him.

[Cito Pelon]

BVP had as good a run as anybody, now it's over.

[Florida_Bronco]

1981-1992 was a different time. I doubt he could be an effective safety, or wr for that matter, in the NFL.

I think it's worth a shot. He's got pretty good athletic ability and some running skills.

[SureShot]

If he isn't worth the shot at QB, why would he be at another position. 6th string running back? 5th string safety? 6th string wr? And thats being kind.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If he isn't worth the shot at QB, why would he be at another position. 6th string running back? 5th string safety? 6th string wr? And thats being kind.

You're probably just a bitter CU fan that hates BVP because he went to CSU. That's the only possible explanation for your irrational hatred of him.

[SureShot]

You're probably just a bitter CU fan that hates BVP because he went to CSU. That's the only possible explanation for your irrational hatred of him.

I think its pretty obvious I'm a CU fan from my avatar. I don't think anything I have said is irrational hatred. Maybe you are a CSU fan, loved BVP when he played there, and can't see his short comings.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think its pretty obvious I'm a CU fan from my avatar. I don't think anything I have said is irrational hatred. Maybe you are a CSU fan, loved BVP when he played there, and can't see his short comings.

Maybe you should have been here Friday night, since all I did was repeat what was said to me when I said the same things about BVP as you did?

[Donk]

BVP is over coached, trying too hard and trying to be Jake.
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Some times you have to stop listening to everyone else and listen to your self.
Bradley needs to be the gunslinger that he was born to be and he will be just fine.
Do not expect him to go quietly into the night.
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[Florida_Bronco]

If he isn't worth the shot at QB, why would he be at another position. 6th string running back? 5th string safety? 6th string wr? And thats being kind.

Why not take a shot and see how he does?

[SureShot]

Why not take a shot and see how he does?

When do want to change him to his new position? Which one will it be? Do you really think he would accept the change? BVP is to proud for that.

[Florida_Bronco]

When do want to change him to his new position? Which one will it be? Do you really think he would accept the change? BVP is to proud for that.

That's something the coaching staff would have to handle.

[Hulamau]

It seemed clear to me the combo of Cutler passing him 5 days earlier on the depth chart combined with just having witnessed the 'Second Coming' arise in plain sight complete with Angels blaring trumpets on high .. then he steps into a hornets nest the first two plays and suffers a major mind fart and melt down!

It must have been like a real time near-death experience for him with the pressure of having to come anywhere close to what Cutler just did, and in fact with each play of that first series the polar opposite was unfolding.

It was really hard to watch and I do feel for BVP, but its like yanking off a bandaid ... its better if you get it over with quick!

It's so obvious he isnt a real NFL QB and maybe he should try to go the safety route. That is more his temperment and he has the body for it.

[Hulamau]

SI's Peter King just annointed Cutler the MVP of the first week of Preseason at the half time of the Skins-Bengals game.

[Hulamau]

Portis subluxed his shoulder!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The one thing BVPs play proved was that Eslinger needs a year on the PS to gain some upper body strenth. He was no match for Detroit's 3rd team DTs.

[orinjkrush]

it's heart breakin to watch BVP's implosion. he may be done.

[bilrob]

It's time for BVP to face the music. He is a good athlete, just no good at QB. Shanny should also bite the bullet and drop him NOW. If he feels he might need an additional QB, put Parsons on the PS, give him more training for the future. In an emergancy, Rod Smith can play QB. Right now, Shanny can use the extra roster spot.

From the looks of things, the TE position look fairly solid. Here again an extra roster spot would help. Keep 4 TEs instead of 3. Also in the kicking department. Three here might be needed. Wouldn't surprise me if Shanny & Co. looks around for a DT. Who he might trade is the question. We have lots of WR depth. Maybe one of our three top RBs could go. Or maybe he will get lucky and find someone that will be released when squads have to cut down. It still early for the bulk of the team, but, the writing is on the wall as far as the QB situation is concerned.

[azbroncfan]

Van Pelt watched cutler tear it up and realized he has no chance at 2 qb. He should just grow his hair out and not shave and hit the road with String Cheese Incident.

[Florida_Bronco]

Where do you people get the idea there was any kind of implosion? ??? You people make it sound like he went off the deep end when he reality he just had a crappy preseason game.

Good lord people.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I was really hoping that he might be able to pull it together a bit for the game. His performance was dismal, everything around him seemed to fall apart. Was it Bradlee or did Cutler's amazing show make everythine else pale in comparison? I was, and still pull for BVP, but I'm not sure if I can stand to witness another outing like his last.

The line did little to protect for sure, but there's got to be other contributing factors in his suckitude.

Any thoughts? The board has ben mum on this topic since the game, or did I miss the infinity of BVP threads since? Maybe he doesn't matter at all since Cutler tore it up.?.?...

I don't really think you can say that he had a bad performance, due to the fact that he had horrible field position and got no protection from the line when he came in. However when he was getting a little protection he almost led a late 4th quarter drive to the end zone. I say don't put too much into that game, and see more of wat is up with him this week.

[sbchampbronx]

Free up roster space, dump pelt...

[maven]

Simply, BVP is not very good. Jay is the new man in town. Van Pelt who? I hope Shanny doesn't waste a roster spot on BVP. If Cutler continues to play well, BVP is gone. Finally...

[Will Wayfarer]

And to think some people were calling him 'the next Elway' only two years ago.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

And to think some people were calling him 'the next Elway' only two years ago.

Only people who were high, on crack, or were uber-CSU homers said that.

[fontaine]

Only people who were high, on crack, or were uber-CSU homers said that.

That's BVP shot down along with Browner.

Who else is left on the Herc Hit List!

:wiggle:

[bendog]

Ah well, there's perhaps a career in porn. Bradlee Van Pelt's got the name and firm buttocks to pull it off.

[broncocalijohn]

Our o-line gave him no time, but he did put that ball on the to money kircus which he did drop in the inzone, he has to make that catch.

That pass was behind him, way tough catch to make and BVP should have put it on the money. That was a good drive up until the last 3/4 plays. I am not sure if it was the line and receivers not getting open for him or he had Rob Johnson disease and wasnt able to throw the ball away and ruin his stats. Coaches film will show that but IMO, nobody was open.

[55CrushEm]

BVP is crap....crap, I tell you. :coltstink

Please, Shanny.....don't waste a roster spot on him.....carry only 2 QB's again.....

[Moon§hiner]

buh bye Bradlee...we hardly knew ye.....he also contributed to the delay of game at the end that made it that much harder...I honestly wanted to see him succeed but I don't think he's going to make it....too many good receivers to occupy his spot.

[Meck77]

Our o-line gave him no time, but he did put that ball on the to money kircus which he did drop in the inzone, he has to make that catch.

I wouldn't say on the money but it did hit Kirus in the hands bottom line. You can't argue that.

BVP is no Cutler but I'd like to see BVP run with the second team for atleast a few quarters to see what he can do.

Had Cutler been thrown into the situation BVP was there would have been threads on the omane that read like "Cutler is a bust".

[Hogan11]

Stick a fork in him.....he'll be this year's Kannell waiting by the phone, just in case.

[Killericon]

Looks like Parsons is gonna be our #3.

[Hulamau]

I wouldn't say on the money but it did hit Kirus in the hands bottom line. You can't argue that.

BVP is no Cutler but I'd like to see BVP run with the second team for atleast a few quarters to see what he can do.

Had Cutler been thrown into the situation BVP was there would have been threads on the omane that read like "Cutler is a bust".


Meck I just went back on the torrent Alec kindly provided us and rewatched that throw several times. The last angle they showed on replay gives a better veiw of how unlikely it was for Kircus to catch it.

Go back and look at the ball as it was thrown early, low and behind Kircus, Yes, it was physically within the realm of possibility for him to catch it, but the angle the ball came in relative to his forward momentum made it extremely difficult and a very low percentage catch. The early throw also caught Kircus by surpirse as well. BVP needed to pull the tirgger 1/2 second later and not so far behind Kircus to have a shot at 7.

[Great13]

Ah well, there's perhaps a career in porn. Bradlee Van Pelt's got the name and firm buttocks to pull it off.


:saywhat:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Jim Armstrong now thinks that BVP gets cut and the team tells him to stay in town unless someone else signs him, and if they need him in a month, they'll bring him back. Also said that Sauerbrun is the main reason, Ernster is going to get the spot that BVP would have.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That's BVP shot down along with Browner.

Who else is left on the Herc Hit List!

:wiggle:

I never had a problem with Browner, I wish he would have worked out. I just hated it when people said Denver didn't need to draft a safety because they had a UDFA who converted from corner and went on IR after 2 preseason games to step in and play the position.

[SureShot]

Jim Armstrong now thinks that BVP gets cut and the team tells him to stay in town unless someone else signs him, and if they need him in a month, they'll bring him back. Also said that Sauerbrun is the main reason, Ernster is going to get the spot that BVP would have.


I have been arguing that BVP would not make it to the regular season. We will see how it pans out. I wouldn't be suprised to see him catch on with local tv or radio doing pregame ect. I of course I wouldn't be suprised to see him try to catch on with another team. Houston?

[orange 4 life]

I was really hoping that he might be able to pull it together a bit for the game. His performance was dismal, everything around him seemed to fall apart. Was it Bradlee or did Cutler's amazing show make everythine else pale in comparison? I was, and still pull for BVP, but I'm not sure if I can stand to witness another outing like his last.

The line did little to protect for sure, but there's got to be other contributing factors in his suckitude.

Any thoughts? The board has ben mum on this topic since the game, or did I miss the infinity of BVP threads since? Maybe he doesn't matter at all since Cutler tore it up.?.?...

its no secret that im not a big BVP supporter, but his performance friday night wasnt NEAR as bad as it looked at first glance.
he had no protection (cutler did), and he had no one to throw to.
he actually looked poised considering the circumstances, he didnt have happy feet, and on the few occasions he had some time he made pretty good throws.
last year he couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, but friday he had some zip on the ball and he made pretty decent throws.

sure, cutler looked great, but its one preseason game against a weak second and third team defense.
as for his skills, the arm looked fantastic.
people are going so far overboard about it that its laughable, but his talents are obvious.
he'll also go out and look awful at some point, but i wouldnt put much stock in that either.
this is plummers year, so ill worry about cutler another time.

[Circle Orange]

His bus ticket is waiting at the office.

[broncocalijohn]

its no secret that im not a big BVP supporter, but his performance friday night wasnt NEAR as bad as it looked at first glance.
he had no protection (cutler did), and he had no one to throw to.
he actually looked poised considering the circumstances, he didnt have happy feet, and on the few occasions he had some time he made pretty good throws.
last year he couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, but friday he had some zip on the ball and he made pretty decent throws.

sure, cutler looked great, but its one preseason game against a weak second and third team defense.
as for his skills, the arm looked fantastic.
people are going so far overboard about it that its laughable, but his talents are obvious.
he'll also go out and look awful at some point, but i wouldnt put much stock in that either.
this is plummers year, so ill worry about cutler another time.
check it out O4L is actually praising the cutler. He has come around to accept him. Plummer to start though!

[fontaine]

Jim Armstrong now thinks that BVP gets cut and the team tells him to stay in town unless someone else signs him, and if they need him in a month, they'll bring him back. Also said that Sauerbrun is the main reason, Ernster is going to get the spot that BVP would have.

Then Armstrong needs to take the irish out of his morning coffee.

Sauerbrun being suspended will be a roster exemption until he comes back for week 5. So he has no impact since Ernster would get his roster spot for the first four weeks.

BVP still has three games to show something. But regardless, I hope we carry two QBs because at worst case scenario Kanell is a phone call away.

[Drek]

BVP should start working at other positions regardless of his or Cutler's preseason performance if you ask me. He's a big athletic guy. Safety? Hell no, but OLB, FB, maybe some TE as well? Sure. Make him into a big h-back type who also doubles as a #3 QB. Shanahan's frequent preference to carry only two QBs has burnt us before, a multifaceted threat who already knows our playbook but can be a special teams contributor would be very useful for this team. Hell, any team in the NFL would be wise to have such a player on the roster, with how tight roster limits are for the regular season.

[Orange_Beard]

Can he punt?

[sbchampbronx]

[QUOTE=Drek] a multifaceted threat who already knows our playbook


um..he knows our playbook, but i wouldn't go so far as to say he is a "multifaceted threat"...maybe on the bench...

[sbchampbronx]

[QUOTE=Drek] a multifaceted threat who already knows our playbook


um..he knows our playbook, but i wouldn't go so far as to say he is a "multifaceted threat"...maybe on the bench or at the water cooler...

[Brien]

I believe that the only way he will be able to stay in this league any longer will be if he switches positions. It worked out pretty weel for John Lynch.

[Master___Pain]

About the only position I could Van Pelt switching to is FB. I don't know where people get this notion that he could play S or LB. Dude is not fast. He ran a 4.9 at the combine and I doubt he's increased that time much, hell even at 4.8 I would not want him trying to chase down Chad Johnson or LT. Outside of QB, FB is his only real option IMO.

[Popps]

Shanahan and Plummer were both busting on BVP on the sidelines about something. I'm guessing he may have missed a check down receiver, or not thrown it when he should have.

Some of it was the pass rush, but I'm betting some of it was him, too.

[Hulamau]

Shanahan and Plummer were both busting on BVP on the sidelines about something. I'm guessing he may have missed a check down receiver, or not thrown it when he should have.

Some of it was the pass rush, but I'm betting some of it was him, too.

The foul up on 2nd and goal from the 5 that pretty much nixed any hopes for a tieing TD was definitely a brain cramp.