Lebanese President: "Israel lost the war"

[mhgaffney]

Mideast crisis
Israel lost the war and did not achieve its objectives, Lebanese President

Morocco TIMES 8/11/2006 | 5:35 pm
http://www.moroccotimes.com/Paper/article.asp?idr=6&id=16524

The Lebanese President, Emile Lahoud, affirmed that "Israel lost the war and did not achieve its objectives", adding that "for reasons related to its internal policy, it cannot retreat, thus persisting in its aggression".

During an interview with a Finnish television, the content of which was published Thursday by the Lebanese media, Lahoud affirmed that "for Israel, it is impossible to admit such a fiasco and that's why the Israelis continue their war by hoping to achieve a victory".

"Lebanon was surprised by the American-French draft Resolution because it does not include any point mentioned in the government plan supported by the whole of the Lebanese people," he said, underlining that "the decision, made by the government, to send 15,000 soldiers to southern Lebanon will help the amendment of this draft".

Lahoud explained that "sending such a number of soldiers is a guarantee presented by Lebanon", calling for the "return of the refugees, the number of which exceeds 1 million".

In an answer related to the position of military resistance (Hezbollah) on this subject, Lahoud said that it is "part of the government and it has given its acceptance".

“The preparations for sending Lebanese soldiers to the South started since the beginning of the aggression against Lebanon,” he added.

The Lebanese president did not draw aside the possibility of asking for compensations from Israel for the damage it has been causing since the outbreak of violence.

[mhgaffney]

My view is that everyone lost this war. The planet lost. The environment lost. We have all been impoverished by it. MG

[defenseman]

It hasn't stopped yet, Hezbollah hasn't will not disarm. Like Israel is going to standdown while these idiots take pot shots at them, Fat F*&kin chance. MORON ,....it's not over yet...dman

*little bit of cart before the horse here

[defenseman]

My view is that everyone lost this war. The planet lost. The environment lost. We have all been impoverished by it. MG

My heart bleeds.....Hezbollah needs to be brought out behind the horse barn and shot through the noggin, every last one of them....terrorists with a diplomatic pass. The president of lebanon is a freakin idiot..dman

[Spider]

there is never a true winner in war , just one side comes out on top , and Hezbollah is far from being on top ..........

[DBruleU]

My heart bleeds.....Hezbollah needs to be brought out behind the horse barn and shot through the noggin, every last one of them....terrorists with a diplomatic pass. The president of lebanon is a freakin idiot..dman

Agreed. I cant believe how we treat terrorists. Err..I mean for the UN treats them.

[Spider]

Agreed. I cant believe how we treat terrorists. Err..I mean for the UN treats them.
so you agree we never should have enforced 1472 , after all the UN is useless ....I knew you would come around to see the light .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

so you agree we never should have enforced 1472 , after all the UN is useless ....I knew you would come around to see the light .......

^5 :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It hasn't stopped yet, Hezbollah hasn't will not disarm. Like Israel is going to standdown while these idiots take pot shots at them, Fat F*&kin chance. MORON ,....it's not over yet...dman


Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here. :spit:

[mhgaffney]

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here. :spit:

Well said.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here. :spit:


That's just a bit ridiculous, LA. The same as Nazi's? You must not have done too well on the synonym portion of the SAT.

1.) Nazi is to defenseman as _______ is to LA BRONCOS FAN?

a) social conservative
b) Judge Samuel Alito
c) oil speculator
d) enron exec

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's just a bit ridiculous, LA. The same as Nazi's? You must not have done too well on the synonym portion of the SAT.


You must not have done too well in elementary ethics.

(But we already knew that.)

[defenseman]

You must not have done too well in elementary ethics.

(But we already knew that.)

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy. However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible. They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization. I stand by my thoughts, israel won't totally and should not stand down, UNLESS hezbollah decides to play ball, that includes DISARMING. If they don't , I'd continue to take the fight to them. They do understand that, and will eventually capitulate if the israeli's don't back off.....dman

*TOO many people are inclined to stick their heads in the sand and think wishing for it to go away is the answer. It's not, and never will be. The terrorists aren't going to standdown, nor should we or the israeli's. A Nazi?, far from it. But, have gotten used to being classed with various evil groups because I endorse taking the fight to the bad guys. Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand, we'll cover your backside while you suck dirt, fair enough?..

[defenseman]

Well said.

Trust me, yours and LABF's takes are considered just as worthless by numerous folks here. So right back at ya...dman

[RaiderH8r]

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here. :spit:
I can't believe it took you nine whole posts to go to the Nazi well. You're slipping off your game a bit. Perhaps you should just make your first post in every thread a Nazi reference just to get it out of the way and move on with the rest of your day. Just a time saving suggestion.

[SteveTensi13]

Well said.

You should talk;

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy.

ROFL! Good one!

However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible.

But you're more than willing to turn a blind eye to the policies that fuel hatred of America and do more to grow terrorist orginizations than anything Bin Laden could manage on his own.

They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization.

If you continue to buy into the simpleton "they just hate us for our freedom and our way of life" propaganda, and if you refuse to see how our policies in their back yards are the real reason for their hatred for us (even your own government says so) then you are essentially voting for never-ending war, and your claim that you want peace in the ME is total BS.

Here is a report written by the Defense Science Board for the Pentagon and Donald Rumsfeld:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf

You'll see that the board states quite unequivocally that they hate us because of our policies in their back yard - not because of our freedom or our way of life.

Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand...

Oh, the irony. :laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I can't believe it took you nine whole posts to go to the Nazi well. You're slipping off your game a bit. Perhaps you should just make your first post in every thread a Nazi reference just to get it out of the way and move on with the rest of your day. Just a time saving suggestion.

I'm just as surprised that it took you just as long to knee-jerk when confronted with the similarities of mindset between the "I was just following orders" defendants and the apologists for the disaster monkey's Iraq policy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You should talk;

:rofl:

Says the Nazi who openly denounces all Muslims and homosexuals.

[mhgaffney]

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy. However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible. They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization. I stand by my thoughts, israel won't totally and should not stand down, UNLESS hezbollah decides to play ball, that includes DISARMING. If they don't , I'd continue to take the fight to them. They do understand that, and will eventually capitulate if the israeli's don't back off.....dman

*TOO many people are inclined to stick their heads in the sand and think wishing for it to go away is the answer. It's not, and never will be. The terrorists aren't going to standdown, nor should we or the israeli's. A Nazi?, far from it. But, have gotten used to being classed with various evil groups because I endorse taking the fight to the bad guys. Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand, we'll cover your backside while you suck dirt, fair enough?..

I never said you were a Nazi -- just a hypocrite.

If it's true that Bush sees himself in Churchillian terms, our problems in the Mideast are far from over.

We have disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Lebanon. What next?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

I can just see W*GS' and SteveCoulter13's heads about to explode here...

"Um, um, um, can I call 'em 'anti-Semites,' or not?" ???

Israelis want independent probe into war - poll

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Most Israelis want an independent investigation into the Lebanon war, an opinion poll showed on Thursday, putting further pressure on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who has ordered a low-level inquiry instead.

Olmert on Monday announced two committees would look into the handling of the war against Hizbollah, rejecting a full state probe headed by a retired judge that could have led to resignations in the government and military.

Some cabinet ministers have criticised the decision and urged a state inquiry. Olmert will seek a vote on his decision at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday and is likely to get agreement despite the misgivings, one political source said.

A poll of 500 people commissioned by Israel Radio said 64 percent of Israelis wanted a full, independent inquiry into the government's conduct, the army's preparedness and its failure to crush a relatively small guerrilla force.

Olmert has acknowledged shortcomings in the way the 34-day campaign against Hizbollah was pursued but said he did not wish to expose the army to a drawn-out investigation.

A shaky ceasefire came into effect on Aug. 14.

The poll also showed poor support for Olmert in his centrist Kadima party.

Some 39 percent of Kadima voters would prefer Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to be the party's candidate for prime minister over Olmert if new elections were held. Only 15 percent would choose Olmert, while 46 percent were undecided.

Despite calls for his resignation over the Lebanon war and a series of government scandals, many political analysts expect Olmert to survive for now, partly because there is no alternative leader waiting in the wings.

There is also little appetite for new elections so soon after polls in March.

The Lebanon war began on July 12 when Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L31328123.htm

[Rohirrim]

"War doesn't prove who's right. Just who's left." Stephen Wright

[Stuck In Texas]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

I can just see W*GS' and SteveCoulter13's heads about to explode here...

"Um, um, um, can I call 'em 'anti-Semites,' or not?" ???

Israelis want independent probe into war - poll

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Most Israelis want an independent investigation into the Lebanon war, an opinion poll showed on Thursday, putting further pressure on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who has ordered a low-level inquiry instead.

Olmert on Monday announced two committees would look into the handling of the war against Hizbollah, rejecting a full state probe headed by a retired judge that could have led to resignations in the government and military.

Some cabinet ministers have criticised the decision and urged a state inquiry. Olmert will seek a vote on his decision at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday and is likely to get agreement despite the misgivings, one political source said.

A poll of 500 people commissioned by Israel Radio said 64 percent of Israelis wanted a full, independent inquiry into the government's conduct, the army's preparedness and its failure to crush a relatively small guerrilla force.

Olmert has acknowledged shortcomings in the way the 34-day campaign against Hizbollah was pursued but said he did not wish to expose the army to a drawn-out investigation.

A shaky ceasefire came into effect on Aug. 14.

The poll also showed poor support for Olmert in his centrist Kadima party.

Some 39 percent of Kadima voters would prefer Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to be the party's candidate for prime minister over Olmert if new elections were held. Only 15 percent would choose Olmert, while 46 percent were undecided.

Despite calls for his resignation over the Lebanon war and a series of government scandals, many political analysts expect Olmert to survive for now, partly because there is no alternative leader waiting in the wings.

There is also little appetite for new elections so soon after polls in March.

The Lebanon war began on July 12 when Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L31328123.htm


It's my understanding that the Isreali public is upset at the conduct and the military strategy while the war was being fought - not against the war itself. My question is how did Hezbollah get that many rockets with a U.N. force supposedly in the area to monitor the situation?

[Stuck In Texas]

"War doesn't prove who's right. Just who's left." Stephen Wright

Well put. Wright is a genius.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's my understanding that the Isreali public is upset at the conduct and the military strategy while the war was being fought - not against the war itself.

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."

But, to address the issue you raise here, it's certainly not true that "the Israeli public" unanimously supported the war.

[Stuck In Texas]

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."

But, to address the issue you raise here, it's certainly not true that "the Israeli public" unanimously supported the war.

I have no doubt that's true. There has never been a time when any society was in 100% agreement on an issue of war. Even in WWII there were notable Americans who disagreed with going to war. If I'm not mistaken, Lindbergh wanted us to side with the Nazis. Either way, your point is well taken. I think a pretty large majority of Israelis supported the war, but I'm sure it was far from unanimous.

[mhgaffney]

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."
.

This recent piece from Counterpunch shows just how crazy it's become. Any deviation from uncritical support for whatever Israel does is now considered anti semitism. This is wrong.

The last I heard some 60 Lebanese have died or been wounded by the unexploded cluster bomblets, since the ceasefire.

The good news is that people are speaking up anyway. MG


September 2 / 3, 2006

Blanket Immunity from War Crimes

When Criticism of Cluster Bombs is "Anti-Semitic"

By STANLEY HELLER

The Israeli paper Ha'aretz reports that the head of Germany's Jewish community accused a minister in Angela Merkel's German government of "anti-Semitism" because of the minister's statement on Israel's use of cluster bombs. Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul had asked for a United Nations probe into Israel's use of cluster bombs in civilian areas of Lebanon.

Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of German Jews, complained about what she terms a growing "anti-mood [sic] against Israel and the Jews" in Germany. [Ha,aretz August 30] Merkel, who made absolutely no criticism of Israel during the fighting, immediately met with Knobloch to "soothe Jewish ire" according to Deutche Welle [August 31]

The U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland revealed this week that of the estimated 100,000 unexploded cluster bombs lying in Lebanon almost all of them were fired in the last few days of the fighting when the terms of the ceasefire had already been set. The Guardian (UK) reports Egleand said, "What's shocking--and I would say to me completely immoral is that ninety per cent of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

It was known that in the last days of the war the Israeli army was engaged in a desperate attempt to have some "victory" and rushed troops here and there in an attempt to have a photo shoot near the Litani River. What was not known until now was the blind spite that sowed the ground of South Lebanon with a massive number of bomblets.

Cluster bombs are delivered by a large canister and disperse over a wide area, a sort of lethal piñata. The bomblets come in many sizes. Some are tiny, even smaller than 2 inches in diameter. Kids are constantly trying to kick them or pick them up with the result in the loss an arm or leg or even death. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance," said Egeland. The UN official based his estimate on the reports of the UN Mine Action Coordination Centre which has traveled through 85% of Lebanon. The casualty figures as of 29 August from unexploded ordnance rose to 59 people, including 13 killed and 46 injured.

Responding to U.N. reports of cluster bombs being found in Lebanese civilian areas the U.S. government has begun an investigation to determine if cluster bombs have been responsible for civilian casualties. It seems far fetched that the Bush Administration would do anything other than shower Israel with more money, but the Reagan administration did ban export of cluster bombs to Israel for six years for its misuse during its 1982 Lebanese invasion.

The Zionist Ultras have been circling the wagons on this issue, not giving an inch. They hysterical statement by the German Jewish leader was typical of many.

Responding to a report by Human Rights Watch charging Israel with war crimes in its conduct of the war in Lebanon that was written by its director Kenneth Roth, Rabbi Avi Shafran of Agudath Israel has called Roth "loathsome." An editorial in the New York Sun accused Roth of "de-legitimization of Judaism" because his group condemned Israel's strategy as "an eye for an eye." Rabbi Aryeh Spero in Human Events Online referred to Roth as a "human rights impostor," and likened him to "Nazis and Communists." On Sunday, the Jerusalem Post published an op-ed by NGO Monitor's Gerald Steinberg titled "Ken Roth's Blood Libel." [quotes from Kathleen Peratis, Washington Post August 30] The fact that Kenneth Roth is Jewish and his father fled Nazi Germany makes no difference to the Ultras. If you are do not support Israel 110% you are a Jew-hater, a renegade, a self-hater, and a holocaust denier. Get it?

In a very competitive field Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League took the prize for the comment showing the most utter stupidly. In attacking Human Rights Watch he said if Hezbollah was not made to pay an "overwhelming price" for rocket attacks "the Holocaust would be in the works". [Peratis, Washington Post]

Jewish Disgust with Israel

In a very encouraging development hundreds of U.S. Jews are calling for strong measures to be taken against the Israeli government including a cut off of U.S. aid and U.N. sanctions. Over 800 have signed the statement calling for "U.S. Jewish Solidarity with Muslim and Arab Peoples of the Middle East". It states "we are outraged by the violence being perpetrated in our name both as Jews and as U.S. citizens. We, the undersigned, represent Jews across the United States who are choosing to stand in solidarity with the peoples of Gaza and Lebanon". It includes the statement, "There is no Jewish safety in a country that rehearses the violence and persecution which Ashkenazi Jews experienced for centuries through the annihilation of the Palestinian people and their homeland." The signers are collecting money for a full page in the New York Times and are just $800 away from their goal. The petition can be found at http://www.jewishsolidarity.info/petition.php

It was after the 1982 invasion of Lebanon that U.S. Jews in significant numbers began open and trenchant criticisms of Israel. Chomsky's watershed "The Fateful Triangle" was published that year. Hopefully there will be even bigger shows of outrage this time around.

Stanley Heller is chairperson of the Middle East Crisis Committee in Connecticut. It's website is www.TheStruggle.org and he can be reached at mail@TheStruggle.org

[mhgaffney]

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."
.

This recent piece from Counterpunch shows how crazy it's become.

The last I heard some 60 Lebanese have died or been wounded by the cluster bomblets, since the ceasefire.
MG


September 2 / 3, 2006

Blanket Immunity from War Crimes

When Criticism of Cluster Bombs is "Anti-Semitic"

By STANLEY HELLER

The Israeli paper Ha'aretz reports that the head of Germany's Jewish community accused a minister in Angela Merkel's German government of "anti-Semitism" because of the minister's statement on Israel's use of cluster bombs. Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul had asked for a United Nations probe into Israel's use of cluster bombs in civilian areas of Lebanon.

Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of German Jews, complained about what she terms a growing "anti-mood [sic] against Israel and the Jews" in Germany. [Ha,aretz August 30] Merkel, who made absolutely no criticism of Israel during the fighting, immediately met with Knobloch to "soothe Jewish ire" according to Deutche Welle [August 31]

The U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland revealed this week that of the estimated 100,000 unexploded cluster bombs lying in Lebanon almost all of them were fired in the last few days of the fighting when the terms of the ceasefire had already been set. The Guardian (UK) reports Egleand said, "What's shocking--and I would say to me completely immoral is that ninety per cent of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

It was known that in the last days of the war the Israeli army was engaged in a desperate attempt to have some "victory" and rushed troops here and there in an attempt to have a photo shoot near the Litani River. What was not known until now was the blind spite that sowed the ground of South Lebanon with a massive number of bomblets.

Cluster bombs are delivered by a large canister and disperse over a wide area, a sort of lethal piñata. The bomblets come in many sizes. Some are tiny, even smaller than 2 inches in diameter. Kids are constantly trying to kick them or pick them up with the result in the loss an arm or leg or even death. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance," said Egeland. The UN official based his estimate on the reports of the UN Mine Action Coordination Centre which has traveled through 85% of Lebanon. The casualty figures as of 29 August from unexploded ordnance rose to 59 people, including 13 killed and 46 injured.

Responding to U.N. reports of cluster bombs being found in Lebanese civilian areas the U.S. government has begun an investigation to determine if cluster bombs have been responsible for civilian casualties. It seems far fetched that the Bush Administration would do anything other than shower Israel with more money, but the Reagan administration did ban export of cluster bombs to Israel for six years for its misuse during its 1982 Lebanese invasion.

The Zionist Ultras have been circling the wagons on this issue, not giving an inch. They hysterical statement by the German Jewish leader was typical of many.

Responding to a report by Human Rights Watch charging Israel with war crimes in its conduct of the war in Lebanon that was written by its director Kenneth Roth, Rabbi Avi Shafran of Agudath Israel has called Roth "loathsome." An editorial in the New York Sun accused Roth of "de-legitimization of Judaism" because his group condemned Israel's strategy as "an eye for an eye." Rabbi Aryeh Spero in Human Events Online referred to Roth as a "human rights impostor," and likened him to "Nazis and Communists." On Sunday, the Jerusalem Post published an op-ed by NGO Monitor's Gerald Steinberg titled "Ken Roth's Blood Libel." [quotes from Kathleen Peratis, Washington Post August 30] The fact that Kenneth Roth is Jewish and his father fled Nazi Germany makes no difference to the Ultras. If you are do not support Israel 110% you are a Jew-hater, a renegade, a self-hater, and a holocaust denier. Get it?

In a very competitive field Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League took the prize for the comment showing the most utter stupidly. In attacking Human Rights Watch he said if Hezbollah was not made to pay an "overwhelming price" for rocket attacks "the Holocaust would be in the works". [Peratis, Washington Post]

Jewish Disgust with Israel

In a very encouraging development hundreds of U.S. Jews are calling for strong measures to be taken against the Israeli government including a cut off of U.S. aid and U.N. sanctions. Over 800 have signed the statement calling for "U.S. Jewish Solidarity with Muslim and Arab Peoples of the Middle East". It states "we are outraged by the violence being perpetrated in our name both as Jews and as U.S. citizens. We, the undersigned, represent Jews across the United States who are choosing to stand in solidarity with the peoples of Gaza and Lebanon". It includes the statement, "There is no Jewish safety in a country that rehearses the violence and persecution which Ashkenazi Jews experienced for centuries through the annihilation of the Palestinian people and their homeland." The signers are collecting money for a full page in the New York Times and are just $800 away from their goal. The petition can be found at http://www.jewishsolidarity.info/petition.php

It was after the 1982 invasion of Lebanon that U.S. Jews in significant numbers began open and trenchant criticisms of Israel. Chomsky's watershed "The Fateful Triangle" was published that year. Hopefully there will be even bigger shows of outrage this time around.

Stanley Heller is chairperson of the Middle East Crisis Committee in Connecticut. It's website is www.TheStruggle.org and he can be reached at mail@TheStruggle.org

[W*GS]

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."

Not "anyone", mainly mhgaffney, and deservedly so.

(And the "neo-con" smear is duly noted.)

[alkemical]

i've been called an antisemite for dissenting against israeli policies - and by people on this board.

PC isn't an item used by lefties, PC is a way to manipulate words and ideas. It stretches far beyond left/right singlecelled rhetoric.