Chomsky: Apocalypse Near

[mhgaffney]

The August 9 Chomsky Interview:
Apocalypse Near

Yesterday, two extraordinary new facts came to light that have profound bearing on the deteriorating situation in the Mideast. They surfaced during an interview with Noam Chomsky. (Which follows.)

If the celebrated MIT linguist is correct, our US government and media are keeping back vital information from the American public. The key information has to do with Iran’s actual positions regarding its nuclear program, and also its relation to Israel. While the US press has focused exclusively on inflammatory remarks by Iranian president Ahmadenijad, even more important statements by Iran’s head mullah, Ayatollah Khamenei, who is Ahmadenijad’s boss, have never been reported here in the US.

After some checking I was able to confirm that Chomsky is correct. In 2003 Iran offered to negotiate directly with the US. In its proposal the Iranian government agreed to accept the most stringent new International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) protocols on its nuclear program. The protocols would involve onsite inspection of all nuclear sites, something that our own government has never accepted. These tough verification measures would make cheating virtually impossible.

Iran also changed its long standing rejectionist policy on Israel. It agreed to support the 2002 Arab peace initiative, which offered Israel an end to the conflict if the Israelis would abide by UN Security Council resolutions (242 and 338) on Palestine. This was an extraordinary development, yet, it was not even reported in the US.

But Iran went still further. It also agreed to end its logistical support of Hezbollah in the event of a political settlement with Israel. Gareth Porter’s excellent backgrounder provides details about the 2003 initiative.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=11539

According to Chomsky, Iran’s head mullah Ayatollah Khamenei again reiterated these offers in June 2006.

Chomsky also mentions a UN vote on a proposed UN Fissile Materials Cutoff Treaty (FMCT), wherein all fissile materials worldwide would be placed under the control of the IAEA. Again, Chomsky is correct. The UN General Assembly vote occurred on April 11, 2004. On that day 147 nations, including Iran, voted in favor of UN resolution A/RES/48/75L. The resolution calls for the immediate drafting of such a treaty. Clearly, the whole world is demanding that the nuclear powers consent to be disarmed. The USA cast the sole “no” vote. Israel and the UK abstained. For more details regarding this important UN resolution go to:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/gadis3291.doc.htm

Today, Americans need to ask: Why did the Bush administration reject offers by Iran that held promise to resolve the crisis? And why has our government refused to join the community of nations on the crucial matter of nuclear disarmament?

The UN vote -- and, indeed, all of these facts -- reveal the hypocritical nature of US policy, and of escalating attempts here to demonize Iran. Obviously, the IAEA protocols could become an interim step leading to a FMCT, which would not only prevent Iranian nuclear weapons proliferation, but also make possible the implementation of article VI of the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT); which calls for full nuclear disarmament.

The facts suggest that the endgame of the Bush administration is not peace; but maintaining the status quo. The bottom line appears to be US support of Israel’s continuing refusal to withdraw from occupied Palestine, i.e., the West Bank, and the Golan, which is Syrian land.

Clearly, this is unacceptable, as it only leads to deepening conflict. Perhaps this is why Chomsky, normally so restrained, ended the interview on an apocalyptic note. I have never seen Chomsky use such language.

Will there be a regional meltdown, possibly involving nuclear weapons, because of two otherwise inconsequential patches of real estate? Everything now depends on us.

Here is the Chomsky interview:

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article14462.htm

[Rohirrim]

Oh my God. A linguist has prophesied the end of the earth! Martha! Fill the basement with green beans. I'm in hunker mode. ;D

[mhgaffney]

Oh my God. A linguist has prophesied the end of the earth! Martha! Fill the basement with green beans. I'm in hunker mode. ;D

This is the sort of statement -- so typical of the Lord of the Rohirrim -- that makes me wonder if he's a nihilist.

Or maybe he's not even from here. A reptilian?

[BroncoBuff]

The problem with apolcolyptic predictions .... those that rely on Bible verse ... is that Jesus himself said "no man knows when the end shall come."

[mhgaffney]

The problem with apolcolyptic predictions .... those that rely on Bible verse ... is that Jesus himself said "no man knows when the end shall come."

Right, BroncoBuff. If you read the interview you know that's what Chomsky said.

No one knows -- and no way to predict. But we do know this much. It will be very very bad. Off the charts bad.

And if it unfolds we can thank our lunatic incumbents, both Repubs and Democraps. MG

[W*GS]

Yep - mhgaffney's pro-Iran spin, blaming Israel and the US for the current situation.

It is interesting to read an unhesitatingly pro-Islamist anti-Israel viewpoint.

[mhgaffney]

And we can thank all of the right thinking people who suppressed debate and lied about the history of the conflict and covered up for the US and Israel, and so on.

There will be plenty of blame to go round.

[mhgaffney]

Yep - mhgaffney's pro-Iran spin, blaming Israel and the US for the current situation.

It is interesting to read an unhesitatingly pro-Islamist anti-Israel viewpoint.

Not pro Iran, W*gs (whatever that means) rather, pro planet. Pro peace. Pro win win. Pro human race.

We are one extended family, here, on this small planet.

If you don't like it, why don't you go back to where you came from..
MG

[Hogan11]

Oh my God. A linguist has prophesied the end of the earth! Martha! Fill the basement with green beans. I'm in hunker mode. ;D

Screw the beans...some of you real old timers may remember the show Delta House (A spinoff of the movie Animal House with many of the very same actors playing their characters from the movie) where they had an "End Of The World" party with garbage cans full of booze. That's what I'm shooting for...hey, if the human race is going out, then I'm going out loaded :thumbs:

[Bronco9798]

Not pro Iran, W*gs (whatever that means) rather, pro planet. Pro peace. Pro win win. Pro human race.

We are one extended family, here, on this small planet.

If you don't like it, why don't you go back to where you came from..
MG
You need to find reality man.....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yep, it's true:

Back in 2003, Iran was prepared to give Bush everything the chimp now says he wants, but Bush wasn't interested.

We know why now, don't we?

[spdirty]

The problem with apolcolyptic predictions .... those that rely on Bible verse ... is that Jesus himself said "no man knows when the end shall come."

But the Jehovas Witnesses do...they predicted the end 3 times already, now they are relying on "clues" to signify that the end is near yet they will not give us a date yet.LOL

[fdf]

[SIZE="4"]Today, Americans need to ask: Why did the Bush administration reject offers by Iran that held promise to resolve the crisis? And why has our government refused to join the community of nations on the crucial matter of nuclear disarmament?

For the same reason that every administration of both parties since the 1950's has refused (even Jimmy Carter). With no nuclear deterrent, the first country to build nukes in violation of the treaty would be able to blackmail us and would dictate terms of surrender to the rest of the world.

That is why Chomsky wants us to sign the treaty. He hopes another country would violate the treaty and bring the US to its knees. He desperately wants to destroy western civilization and this would be a good way to do it.

That said, noone reading this thread should believe anything Chomsky says. He has a 30 year history of lying to make a point, of making up non-existent sources, etc. His record in this regard is well documented in The Chomsky Reader. Never believe anything he says. It is only coincidentally related to the truth.

[mhgaffney]

noone reading this thread should believe anything Chomsky says. He has a 30 year history of lying to make a point, of making up non-existent sources, etc. His record in this regard is well documented in The Chomsky Reader. Never believe anything he says. It is only coincidentally related to the truth.

Garbage.

I own a well worn copy of the Chomsky reader. I've done a lot of fact checking on my own and I never caught Chomsky once in a factual error about the Mideast conflict.

[Bronco9798]

Garbage.

I own a well worn copy of the Chomsky reader. I've done a lot of fact checking on my own and I never caught Chomsky once in a factual error about the Mideast conflict.


There lies the problem.......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Garbage.

I own a well worn copy of the Chomsky reader. I've done a lot of fact checking on my own and I never caught Chomsky once in a factual error about the Mideast conflict.

Notice how fdf accuses Chomsky of multiple factual errors (about what, BTW?) but doesn't cite any actual examples?

That's typical, I guess.

[mhgaffney]

There lies the problem.......

FYI, there are 54 pages of foot notes in my book, Dimona the Third Temple, about Israel's nuke program, much of it documenting the twists and turns of the many wars and the Palestinian-Israeli conflct.

You are very welcome to try to make a liar out of me. But of course to do that you'd first have to get off your ass, and crack a book.

I wish you luck. MG

[W*GS]

Not pro Iran, W*gs (whatever that means) rather, pro planet. Pro peace. Pro win win. Pro human race.

Where's "pro freedom"? "Pro liberty"? "Pro justice"?

If you don't like it, why don't you go back to where you came from..

And thus, with this small remark, mhgaffney proves his "pro peace", "pro win win", "pro human race" beliefs are utter :bs:

[SteveTensi13]

Not pro Iran, W*gs (whatever that means) rather, pro planet. Pro peace. Pro win win. Pro human race.

We are one extended family, here, on this small planet.

If you don't like it, why don't you go back to where you came from..
MG

Apparantly, Jews don't belong to this extended "family" do they Mark?

[fdf]

I own a well worn copy of the Chomsky reader. I've done a lot of fact checking on my own and I never caught Chomsky once in a factual error about the Mideast conflict.

So you concede he has misrepresented facts about virtually everything except the mideast conflict--because the Chomsky Reader documents one-after-another in excruciating detail.

Come on. This guy still supports Pol Pot and the Killing Fields in Cambodia and thinks that Stalin and Mao were good guys who were just misunderstood. Why should anyone believe anything he says? He's a proven liar and consistently myopic when passing judgement on historic figures--the more of a monster the guy is, the more Chomsky likes him (the only exception to this principle is Hitler. Hitler is the only monster of the 20th century that Chomsky doesn't support).

And why should anyone now give anything he says any credence just because you have read The Chomsky Reader and claim not to have found any misrepresentations about the "middle east?" With all due respect, your factual grasp of what is going on in the middle east (demonstrated in one spam thread after another on a football forum) does not give me much confidence in the quality of your fact checking.

[Taco John]

This is the sort of statement -- so typical of the Lord of the Rohirrim -- that makes me wonder if he's a nihilist.

Or maybe he's not even from here. A reptilian?



Did you seriously just accuse someone of being a Reptilian? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid)

[SteveTensi13]

Did you seriously just accuse someone of being a Reptilian? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid)

I think those are grounds for being banned aren't they TJ?

[Taco John]

I don't know about that... But it's definitely grounds for one of these:


:erm?:

[SteveTensi13]

Looks like Coward Dean!

[SteveTensi13]

Gaffney is being beat down on this forum like some ugly red headed step child! I ALMOST feel sorry for the guy.

[mhgaffney]

I was being ironic, W*gs. We are one big family on this small planet. We'd better learn to get along because earth is all we have.

We can destroy this fragile planet without even trying. We are already doing it. Now do you get my point?

[SteveTensi13]

I was being ironic, W*gs. We are one big family on this small planet. We'd better learn to get along because earth is all we have.

We can destroy this fragile planet without even trying. We are already doing it. Now do you get my point?

I'd rather burn it up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!

[baja]

I'd rather burn it up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!

You live in the most militarily powerful nation since the beginning of time burning it up will not be necessary, try not to be so afraid.

[SteveTensi13]

You live in the most militarily powerful nation since the beginning of time burning it up will not be necessary, try not to be so afraid.

Oh, I'm not afraid at all. But gaffneys rantings about global apocalypse coming due to some American/Israeli conspiracy to start WWIII has me wishing for total flame out. I'm just waiting for the fireworks to start!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'd rather burn it up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!

Only a mental giant like you could perceive that these are the only two options.

BTW, way to parrot the doofus in chief's newest catch phrase.

[Rohirrim]

This is the sort of statement -- so typical of the Lord of the Rohirrim -- that makes me wonder if he's a nihilist.

Or maybe he's not even from here. A reptilian?

Reptilian? That'ssss jussssst ridiculousssssss.

I wake up and come to the board and this is the shiite I have to put up with. I'm tellin ya. I don't get no respect. Ha!

BTW, why don't you call it by it's real name, Gaffer - Gotterdammerung!

P.S. - I am anything but a nihilist. My very existence is a work of art. I am the ubermensch! Ha! For nihilism, you must turn to the Christians, or the Muslims, who believe that this life, and this world, are completely expendable (talk about a philosophy conducive to total war?!). I am totally opposed to that view. I am an individualist. I carry no one's flag.

[BroncoBuff]

I'd rather burn it up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!
Have you been drinking?

[defenseman]

Oh, I'm not afraid at all. But gaffneys rantings about global apocalypse coming due to some American/Israeli conspiracy to start WWIII has me wishing for total flame out. I'm just waiting for the fireworks to start!

While I'm an obvious hawk on the terrorists and support being proactive in their irradication, I do not support the use of "special weapons". However, Iran will use them if they get them, not on us, but probably israel after a protracted war of sorts. We will end up taking these bozos on to prevent that I'm sure, and we'll get help this time I am absolutely sure of that..dman

[Hotrod]

From my treehuggin buddys original post...

"Clearly, the whole world is demanding that the nuclear powers consent to be disarmed"

LOL ya like were gonna go with any UN resolution that has those implications Ha!

[BKK]

I'd rather burn it up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!

Agreed, It is our way or the highway from here on out. we may be one world, but we are a world of nations with borders and that aint ever going to change. the global community idea is just a pipe (crack) dream.

[Rohirrim]

Agreed, It is our way or the highway from here on out. we may be one world, but we are a world of nations with borders and that aint ever going to change. the global community idea is just a pipe (crack) dream.

Oh boy! Blow the trumpets! The call of Empire is sounded. Let us subjugate the world. Let us grind them beneath the mighty American heel. Let them feel the power of Rome... eh, Washington, D.C.!

OUR REICH (oops) EMPIRE WILL LAST A THOUSAND YEARS!!!

[Mile High Shack]

no such thing as a final war...or apocolypse going to happen

this idea of armageddon started in the late 1800's by a crackpot and it has somehow become widely accepted by some religious people who don't study the bible

early christians never spoke of such things

we are in a final battle all right, but it's a spirtual battel for lost souls...oh btw

we have already won, we won when Jesus died for us

so this crap of armageddon is great to talk about, but the bible doesn't talk of it

[Hotrod]

no such thing as a final war...or apocolypse going to happen

this idea of armageddon started in the late 1800's by a crackpot and it has somehow become widely accepted by some religious people who don't study the bible

early christians never spoke of such things

we are in a final battle all right, but it's a spirtual battel for lost souls...oh btw

we have already won, we won when Jesus died for us

so this crap of armageddon is great to talk about, but the bible doesn't talk of it

I think that all depends on your definition of "armageddon" you say there will be a "spiritual battle" would that not lead to huge wars???

[Mile High Shack]

I think that all depends on your definition of "armageddon" you say there will be a "spiritual battle" would that not lead to huge wars???

naaa
spritual battle with satan

just like Jesus' kingdom is not an earthly kingdom...he won't step foot on this earth again..he will come back, but only to announce the end of the world

by spritual battle I mean battling for souls, not a physical fight.......

besides that....in the bible Jesus stated, no man, not even JESUS knows the time or day of the end of the world

so how a regular person can determine "end times" is beyond me

the book of Revelation was written in code to christians living during those times..it was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem, which shortly happened thereafter...the Romans obliterated the temple and laid waste to it

there is no physical war that will take place........

the problem is, people have not studied revelation for themselves and jsut assume what they hear is correct based on some crackpot teachings

then when you add in the fact, some "christians" still think Jews have a soverign right to Israel and are still somehow chosen people is wrong.

God did indeed choose Israel as his people...but once they rejected his son, everyone could be saved...God's chosen people now are Christians that follow his will, not a certain race of people.

[Hotrod]

naaa
spritual battle with satan

just like Jesus' kingdom is not an earthly kingdom...he won't step foot on this earth again..he will come back, but only to announce the end of the world

by spritual battle I mean battling for souls, not a physical fight.......

besides that....in the bible Jesus stated, no man, not even JESUS knows the time or day of the end of the world

so how a regular person can determine "end times" is beyond me

the book of Revelation was written in code to christians living during those times..it was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem, which shortly happened thereafter...the Romans obliterated the temple and laid waste to it

there is no physical war that will take place........

the problem is, people have not studied revelation for themselves and jsut assume what they hear is correct based on some crackpot teachings

then when you add in the fact, some "christians" still think Jews have a soverign right to Israel and are still somehow chosen people is wrong.

God did indeed choose Israel as his people...but once they rejected his son, everyone could be saved...God's chosen people now are Christians that follow his will, not a certain race of people.

Hold the phone here Shack does it not say to watch Israel and the ME for signs. Are there not some specific signs to watch for. Does it not say watch for these things to pass then know the end is near???

When Damascus ceases to exist you might want to pack your bags ;D

Does it not say that once Israel is reborn (1947) that a generation will not pass before the return of Jesus???

[Rohirrim]

Hold the phone here Shack does it not say to watch Israel and the ME for signs. Are there not some specific signs to watch for. Does it not say watch for these things to pass then know the end is near???

When Damascus ceases to exist you might want to pack your bags ;D

Does it not say that once Israel is reborn (1947) that a generation will not pass before the return of Jesus???

Maybe he's already here and we recognize him not? Like a thief in the night, and all that?

[Hotrod]

Maybe he's already here and we recognize him not? Like a thief in the night, and all that?

Bush???.......................;)

Crap Im so going to hell for that :nono:

[Mile High Shack]

Hold the phone here Shack does it not say to watch Israel and the ME for signs. Are there not some specific signs to watch for. Does it not say watch for these things to pass then know the end is near???

When Damascus ceases to exist you might want to pack your bags ;D

Does it not say that once Israel is reborn (1947) that a generation will not pass before the return of Jesus???

no to all of those
it's a misinterpretation you are hearing from the book of Isiah

We have been in the "end times" since Jesus died for our sins.....every since that day, it could come at any time, b/c God's promises have been delivered for salvation.

[Mile High Shack]

Maybe he's already here and we recognize him not? Like a thief in the night, and all that?

impossible
in the Bible, Jesus says he will not step face on this earth again and when he does it will be in a cloud and that trumpets will sound and every knee shall bow and the dead shall rise and the end of the world is at hand

trust me
you would know

[Rohirrim]

Well, I know it's not me. I would have come down with a host of angel warriors and smote me some mofos. Ha!

[Hotrod]

no to all of those
it's a misinterpretation you are hearing from the book of Isiah

We have been in the "end times" since Jesus died for our sins.....every since that day, it could come at any time, b/c God's promises have been delivered for salvation.

Thats the first time I've ever heard that idea. Interesting I guess so pretty much every christian in America is looking the wrong way???

[Mile High Shack]

Thats the first time I've ever heard that idea. Interesting I guess so pretty much every christian in America is looking the wrong way???

I can't say that......

take a gander at this
http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/
it's good commentaries on every single book of the bible...along with Revelation and Isiah

yes, like I said, the idea of the apocolypse and armageddon didn't become an accepted idea until the late 1800's.....it's a new concept that was introduced and scripture twisted around until it has become accepted.

I can make scripture stand on it's head and say that Keanue Reeves is the antichrist...but then I'd be misleading you ;)

[Hotrod]

I can't say that......

take a gander at this
http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/
it's good commentaries on every single book of the bible...along with Revelation and Isiah

yes, like I said, the idea of the apocolypse and armageddon didn't become an accepted idea until the late 1800's.....it's a new concept that was introduced and scripture twisted around until it has become accepted.

I can make scripture stand on it's head and say that Keanue Reeves is the antichrist...but then I'd be misleading you ;)

Thanks for the link I'll check it out. Im always open to others ideas & interpretations.

[Ninjafied]

Of course the “Iranian government agreed to accept the most stringent new International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).” They only need a nuke program to supplement their gigantic fossil fuel reserves. ;)
And after N.Korea bent that over and had its way why should the Iranians have a turn?

[Meck77]

.God's chosen people now are Christians that follow his will, not a certain race of people.

Tell that to a few Billion Muslims who are watching their "brothers" getting blow to bits in Lebanon right now by American Tax payer funded bombs.

[Old Dude]

Uhm. FWIW, I went back and read the original Chomsky article guys, and I'm pretty sure he's using "apocalypse" in a metaphorical sense.

He's an anthropologist/linguist and his views on Christianity were set out many years ago in a book titled "Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches." That was way back in the early 70s. It drew some very strong parallels between the early Christians and the so-called "Cargo Cult."

[Mile High Shack]

Tell that to a few Billion Muslims who are watching their "brothers" getting blow to bits in Lebanon right now by American Tax payer funded bombs.

and this has what to do with the price of rice in China in regards to what we are talking about in this thread

[SteveTensi13]

Tell that to a few Billion Muslims who are watching their "brothers" getting blow to bits in Lebanon right now by American Tax payer funded bombs.

Islam is not a "real" religeon anyways. It is more of a cult with false idols (Muhammad).

[BroncoBuff]

Islam is not a "real" religeon anyways. It is more of a cult with false idols (Muhammad).
Man, you really are an intolerant bastage, aren't you ...

[SteveTensi13]

See below:

[SteveTensi13]

I have no time nor the inclination to practice political correctness.

[mhgaffney]

So you concede he has misrepresented facts about virtually everything except the mideast conflict--because the Chomsky Reader documents one-after-another in excruciating detail.

Come on. This guy still supports Pol Pot and the Killing Fields in Cambodia and thinks that Stalin and Mao were good guys who were just misunderstood. .

What nonsense.

You just don't want to face the fact that you are being bamboozled by your own government. Someone once said that truth is the first casualty of war, and now that we are in a war without end that has never been more true.

Face it, you were lied to about 911, about the war on terror, about bin Laden, about the history of the Mideast conflict, about the real reasons for the Iraq invasion, and so much more.

The main point though is that the war on terror is a fraud. The US had plenty of chances to nail Osama bin Laden and we let him go. Numerous FBI agents charged with stopping terrorism have said their investigations were blocked. They were told: "don't go there.." Why? because our own intel agencies, i.e., the CIA and NSA, were in bed with Al Qaeda.

In fact the US created the Taliban and helped create Al Qaeda through our support of the mujahedeen and associated jihadists. Our mistake is we thought we could control them.

We were lied to about the first Gulf War, which could have been avoided via diplomacy. We were lied to about the invasion of Iraq, which could have been avoided if we simply had allowed the UN weapons inspectors complete their job. And we are being scammed now -- even as I write -- programmed once again by the US media for another unecessary war.

Oh but war is necessary from the standpoint of the industrialists who produce the weapons, the rockets, tanks, jets etc And also necessary to the investors, the Bushes and Cheney's and Rumsfelds of the world, who hold stock in these war industries -- and who profit every time a US soldier dies.

When are you, fdf, going to realize you are a chump? A simple dupe? Wake up dude!
MG

[BKK]

Have you been drinking?

Good lord, you must be the one whose drunk and I mean wasted! Your reply is the same as saying you are willing to live under Islam's rule...... We are the majority, who choose not to. So to save us alot of hassle we can just keep on keep'in on and you can move to the middle east.

[alkemical]

Apparantly, Jews don't belong to this extended "family" do they Mark?


aren't you the one who wears a uniform everday, and constantly takes argument from authority as plain fact?

Maybe hugo boss can make your next uni for you.

[alkemical]

Islam is not a "real" religeon anyways. It is more of a cult with false idols (Muhammad).


Ahhh, so you are just a parrot. Even better

Check the "Hindu" thread - same comment as this but for hindu's -


You are a certified tool - too bad you don't realize you are the one getting screwed.

[bendog]

Ahhh, so you are just a parrot. Even better

Check the "Hindu" thread - same comment as this but for hindu's -


You are a certified tool - too bad you don't realize you are the one getting screwed.
For some odd reason, the anti abortion nutters down here a few weeks ago burned a koran. Beats the hell outta me. I'd have figgered the fundy islamists agreed with em on that.

[alkemical]

hehe

[baja]

<b>For some odd reason, the anti abortion nutters down here a few weeks ago burned a koran.</b> Beats the hell outta me. I'd have figgered the fundy islamists agreed with em on that.

For some reason i read "burned a Korean" And for some sick reason I found that excruciatingly funny. Not the fact that some poor guy got burned but the whole South self righteous dumb ass illogical reasoning that is applied to this bible belt anti abortionist thing. "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more - I know lets burn a Korean!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Man, you really are an intolerant bastage, aren't you ...

SteveTensi is really a tall, anorexic blonde chick with an adam's apple.

http://www.bartcop.com/coulter-pinochio.jpg

[mhgaffney]

He nose in his heart what he is.

MG

[SteveTensi13]

For some odd reason, the anti abortion nutters down here a few weeks ago burned a koran. Beats the hell outta me. I'd have figgered the fundy islamists agreed with em on that.

Yea, I'm sure that happened.

[Rohirrim]

For some reason i read "burned a Korean" And for some sick reason I found that excruciatingly funny. Not the fact that some poor guy got burned but the whole South self righteous dumb ass illogical reasoning that is applied to this bible belt anti abortionist thing. "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more - I know lets burn a Korean!

Yeah, I remember after 9/11, some redneck in Arizona blew away some Sikh in a gas station. Well, hell, he had on a turban!!! Funny in a sad, pathetic way.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, I remember after 9/11, some redneck in Arizona blew away some Sikh in a gas station. Well, hell, he had on a turban!!! Funny in a sad, pathetic way.

The really sad and scary part is that, after hearing this news, guys like errant and SteveCoulter13 were probably pumping their fists in the air and shouting "Yeah! USA! USA! USA! USA!....




.....BTW, what's a Sikh?"

[Rohirrim]

The really sad and scary part is that, after hearing this news, guys like errant and SteveCoulter13 were probably pumping their fists in the air and shouting "Yeah! USA! USA! USA! USA!....




.....BTW, what's a Sikh?"

http://www.masse-fr.com/galerie/Sikh.jpg
They are the followers of (originally) Guru Nanak. A small sect within India (mostly in the Punjab) that is neither Muslim nor Hindu. They've historically been a large part of the Indian military but they are a very small part of the population. In other words, this poor innocent man had absolutely nothing to do with Arabs, Muslims, terrorism, etc.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.masse-fr.com/galerie/Sikh.jpg
They are the followers of (originally) Guru Nanak. A small sect within India (mostly in the Punjab) that is neither Muslim nor Hindu. They've historically been a large part of the Indian military but they are a very small part of the population. In other words, this poor innocent man had absolutely nothing to do with Arabs, Muslims, terrorism, etc.

I know what a Sikh is - I was just making a joke (attributing the question to SteveCoulter13 and his ilk.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, I remember after 9/11, some redneck in Arizona blew away some Sikh in a gas station. Well, hell, he had on a turban!!! Funny in a sad, pathetic way.

Speak of the devil...

Arizona court overturns death penalty in 9/11 crime

2 hours, 23 minutes ago

PHOENIX (Reuters) - The Arizona Supreme Court on Monday overturned a death sentence imposed on a suburban Phoenix man for gunning down an Indian immigrant just four days after the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

In a unanimous decision, the court ruled that Frank Roque should instead spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole for the high-profile killing of Balbir Singh Sodhi.

Roque apparently mistook Sodhi, a Sikh who wore a turban and beard, for an Arab.

The court ruled that death by lethal injection would be inappropriate because of "mitigating evidence" on Roque's mental condition and low intelligence.

"Because of the serious nature of Roque's crimes, however, we conclude that he should be imprisoned for the rest of his natural life and never be released," wrote Rebecca White Berch, the court's vice chief justice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060815/us_nm/crime_sikh_dc

[BroncoBuff]

http://www.masse-fr.com/galerie/Sikh.jpg
They are the followers of (originally) Guru Nanak. A small sect within India (mostly in the Punjab) that is neither Muslim nor Hindu. They've historically been a large part of the Indian military but they are a very small part of the population. In other words, this poor innocent man had absolutely nothing to do with Arabs, Muslims, terrorism, etc.
If you want to study a REALLY, REALLY interesting religion, look into Zoroastrianism. It is an ancient Persian (Iranian) based religion that has followeres as far east as India.

The Magii who visited baby Jesus were Zoroaster priests, and some historians believe Jesus visited Persia during the age 12 to 30 "gap" in the Gospel timelines...

Zoroaster preached some astonishingly similar teachings as Jesus - but he taught them a thousand or more (?) years earlier. He created the idea of one God, of forgiveness of sins and redemption through God, and perhaps even the idea of good vs. evil as a choice each man must make.

From Wikipedia:
Zoroastrianism is the oldest of the revealed credal religions, and it has probably had more influence on mankind, directly or indirectly, than any other single faith... some of its leading doctrines were adopted by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Zoroastrianism has been proposed as the source of some of the most important post-Torah aspects of Judaic religious thinking, which emerged after the Babylonian captivity, from which Jews were liberated by Cyrus the Great.

This is also a view put forward by King and Moore, who wrote in The Gnostics and Their Remains that it was from this very creed of Zoroaster that the Jews derived all the angelology of their religion... the belief in a future state; of rewards and punishments, ... the soul's immortality, and the Last Judgment - all of them essential parts of the Zoroastrian scheme. (King, 1887)

I'm not sure what this has to do with Sikhs, but ... it's interesting.

[BroncoBuff]

Mister BKK:

I'm not sure where to start in replying to your post (below), or even whether its a good idea to 'start' at all. But I'm gonna try:

Tensi's original quote was the following:
"I'd rather burn up then live under the oppresive yoke of Islamic fascism!"

TO WHICH I replied: "Have you been drinking?"

TO WHICH YOU replied: Good lord, you must be the one whose drunk and I mean wasted! Your reply is the same as saying you are willing to live under Islam's rule...... We are the majority, who choose not to. So to save us alot of hassle we can just keep on keep'in on and you can move to the middle east.

I am so very sorry to see that both of you have become tragic victims of the Bush/Cheney fear campaign. But this fear campaign is/was just a political ploy - not a REAL threat! Your fears are absolutely unfounded! They're just trying to influence voters - that's all!

So, dry your eyes ... and trust me on this: There is NO chance - absolutely ZERO chance - that the "oppressive yoke of Islamic Fascism" will ever darken the shores of North America. So you can both un-pucker your sphincters and relax. And good heavens - grow a sack.

[alkemical]

maybe they will attack us all with sporks

[mhgaffney]

If you want to study a REALLY, REALLY interesting religion, look into Zoroastrianism. It is an ancient Persian (Iranian) based religion that has followeres as far east as India.
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There are elements of Zoroastrianism in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Clearly it influenced Judaism.

[alkemical]

There are elements of Zoroastrianism in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Clearly it influenced Judaism.


I often sit and look at the writings of HP lovecraft, and seeing how he has it setup some sumerian/babalonian + the thelmek stuff from crowley and see a major coincidence.....

[BroncoBuff]

Do what thous wilst.

What does he have to do with Zoroaster?

[alkemical]

Do what thous wilst.

What does he have to do with Zoroaster?


You directing this at me?


If you are, the only thing i can cite is that a system of magic has seemed to remain in at least minor fragments through out the time on earth.

Forms of it from where it came before Aegypt, were given to aegypt (per the legend of thoth in the emerald tablets) - sumeria has shown some of the same systems, and if anything came before sumeria and/or atlantis - then these forms existed - and in some aspect the tools are still here for us to use.

Do what though wilst, to the whole of the law is an axciom, a motto - It is amoral. In which it means, you can try to take that and apply that you can do whatever feels right.

But maybe - it means that if you do and believe enough into the structure of beliefs, you can accomplish the spirutal rite assocated with said belief.

How it ties to zorastor - i am not sure - but i do know the axciom and another one as well "nothing is true, everything is permissible" -

It's so easy to take the easy path and apply that, but once you see the greater truth that these motto's contain - it holds a certain weight.

As above, so below.

[denver5459]

What nonsense.

You just don't want to face the fact that you are being bamboozled by your own government. Someone once said that truth is the first casualty of war, and now that we are in a war without end that has never been more true.

Face it, you were lied to about 911, about the war on terror, about bin Laden, about the history of the Mideast conflict, about the real reasons for the Iraq invasion, and so much more.

The main point though is that the war on terror is a fraud. The US had plenty of chances to nail Osama bin Laden and we let him go. Numerous FBI agents charged with stopping terrorism have said their investigations were blocked. They were told: "don't go there.." Why? because our own intel agencies, i.e., the CIA and NSA, were in bed with Al Qaeda.

In fact the US created the Taliban and helped create Al Qaeda through our support of the mujahedeen and associated jihadists. Our mistake is we thought we could control them.

We were lied to about the first Gulf War, which could have been avoided via diplomacy. We were lied to about the invasion of Iraq, which could have been avoided if we simply had allowed the UN weapons inspectors complete their job. And we are being scammed now -- even as I write -- programmed once again by the US media for another unecessary war.

Oh but war is necessary from the standpoint of the industrialists who produce the weapons, the rockets, tanks, jets etc And also necessary to the investors, the Bushes and Cheney's and Rumsfelds of the world, who hold stock in these war industries -- and who profit every time a US soldier dies.

When are you, fdf, going to realize you are a chump? A simple dupe? Wake up dude!
MG

Why do you live here if you believe all of this????

[BroncoBuff]

You directing this at me?


If you are, the only thing i can cite is that a system of magic has seemed to remain in at least minor fragments through out the time on earth.

Forms of it from where it came before Aegypt, were given to aegypt (per the legend of thoth in the emerald tablets) - sumeria has shown some of the same systems, and if anything came before sumeria and/or atlantis - then these forms existed - and in some aspect the tools are still here for us to use.

Do what though wilst, to the whole of the law is an axciom, a motto - It is amoral. In which it means, you can try to take that and apply that you can do whatever feels right.

But maybe - it means that if you do and believe enough into the structure of beliefs, you can accomplish the spirutal rite assocated with said belief.

How it ties to zorastor - i am not sure - but i do know the axciom and another one as well "nothing is true, everything is permissible" -

It's so easy to take the easy path and apply that, but once you see the greater truth that these motto's contain - it holds a certain weight.

As above, so below.
Alistair Crowley, right?

Sounds like your interpretation, in BLUE, allows that any religion or beliefe system can be "correct" with proper application and mental belief ....

That reminds me of something I saw on History-International last week - about stigmata. The best known stigmatist was Padre Pio, a Latin American (?) priest in the early-mids 1900s. All tests and exams of him showed no trace of fake or self-inflicted wounds, or anything else dishonest.

But the files were examined by modern doctors/psychiatrists, and they concluded (some of them did) that his wounds were kept open and kept fresh by subconscious will! The best modern minds concluded his mind willed the wounds to stay fresh, not infect, etc.. etc...

And that reminded me of a medical report I read in law school - that many gay men were exhiobiting classic HIV symptoms, major weight loss, swollen glands - even drenching night sweats and the throat infections. But they were too too too afraid to be tested, and they were overwrought with fear. Finally they were tested - DIDN'T HAVE IT - and the symptoms disappeared immediately. So weird. They even displayed misunderstood symptoms - those they thought or had read were HIV related, but in fact were not.

The mind can completely overtake physical functioning. Long story short, is this related to your interpretation in BLUE?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why do you live here if you believe all of this????

My guess is because, like most Americans who haven't been brainwashed by radical right-wing ideology, he believes that true patriotism means admitting when your country or its leadership is in the wrong, and working for positive change and/or to make amends.

Were it not for people like him, those "whites only" signs would still be on display in the south and women wouldn't be able to vote.

(But people like you would like that, wouldn't you?)

[mhgaffney]

Why do you live here if you believe all of this????

Why do I live here? Simple. I'm an American. I was born here.

Yet, I am apalled by what America has become. This country that could have been -- should have been -- a beacon not only for freedom but for creative solutions and leadership on so many issues, has reneged on its promises and has taken the low road of empire, greed, power, mind contr-oil.

Face it. We are being led by criminals and lunatics. Bush and Cheney have the Midas touch. In their hands the world turns to ashes..

They will not stop. Their failure in Lebanon follows the disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan. But their quote solution will be to lash out with even greater fury. We must be vigilant.

Next stop: Iran?

There has been some very fine writing on this war. In my opinion, info clearing house has been the leading site. Check out the fine piece today by Patrick Bushanan (even tho I am no fan of Buchanan), and others.

Peace and love in our time -- or oblivion. MG

Patrick Buchanan

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article14555.htm

Sheila Samples

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article14549.htm

[alkemical]

Alistair Crowley, right?

And in BLUE - your interpretation leads me to believe that all beliefes can be "correct" with sufficient application and allowing.


A) Mr. Crowley did indeed promote "do what thou wilst...." -


B) That would be 'correct'. There of course is 'a bit' more than that, but that is the simplist way to go about it. Whether it is 'true' at times is irrevelent, sometimes the 'expierence' is worth more than gold. If you believe it enough, is it true? I pretty much live by "nothing is true, everything is permissible".

[alkemical]

Alistair Crowley, right?

Sounds like your interpretation, in BLUE, allows that any religion or beliefe system can be "correct" with proper application and mental belief ....

That reminds me of something I saw on History-International last week - about stigmata. The best known stigmatist was Padre Pio, a Latin American (?) priest in the early-mids 1900s. All tests and exams of him showed no trace of fake or self-inflicted wounds, or anything else dishonest.

But the files were examined by modern doctors/psychiatrists, and they concluded (some of them did) that his wounds were kept open and kept fresh by subconscious will! The best modern minds concluded his mind willed the wounds to stay fresh, not infect, etc.. etc...

And that reminded me of a medical report I read in law school - that many gay men were exhiobiting classic HIV symptoms, major weight loss, swollen glands - even drenching night sweats and the throat infections. But they were too too too afraid to be tested, and they were overwrought with fear. Finally they were tested - DIDN'T HAVE IT - and the symptoms disappeared immediately. So weird. They even displayed misunderstood symptoms - those they thought or had read were HIV related, but in fact were not.

The mind can completely overtake physical functioning. Long story short, is this related to your interpretation in BLUE?



Very much so.


I deal more with a chaos philsophy now. I studied the G.D. and as much as it is 'real', if you don't 'believe' enough, you can't focus the will to 'cause an effect'.

I stated to either dbruleu or angryllama that i had a meditation that i was the christos on the cross. In my meditation i was, and i felt his fear that maybe god had betrayed him, and i felt his compassion. But not matter what anyone tells you, in "MY" expierence i felt his very human emotions.

now was it true, or was it a dream? Either way, if not true or just a dream the expirence was moving and contained it's own knowledge in 'walking in someone else's shoes'.

It's tough though, you have to break your own reality tunnels and focus on a new reality and still have enough to break out of that and return to yours. you won't be the same though - each different scope, fragment, piece of reality you expirence very much changes how you see the world and expierence it.

When i get into my depressed modes, i feel i have no luck and everything is doomed, and guess what.... everything is.

Some guy wrote a book called "the secret power of water" in which they intoned words onto water when freezing and the water structure actually changes teh crystals that are fozen in water. Positive words are beautiful, negative ones are broken and blurred. (check out http://www.hado.net/ )


Now if you take the power of belief as a tool, and use it to shape the environment around you, why is it impossible to believe you can alter your reality to an extent?

The answer is of course, yes - but if you believe... ;)

(Seriously, check out that url - it really opens up an idea if you can affect something physical with just energy - how much further does it go - either up or down?)


Oh, one more thing broncobuff (and to all who may want to play with this) - feel free to play with any of this stuff. But i'm going to warn you of this:

You must be as grounded and as whole as possible. You can call them demons, etc - or just psycological parts of yourself. But if you are in anyway unbalanced you will at one time, be forced to meet yourself. Even now when i kill off/make peace with the darker parts of myself, it's not a piece of cake. It's often a mood swingy few weeks for me - of unbridled extremes in personality. So don't push yourself.

It took me a few years of studying zazen & buddism before i moved to hindu yoga & krisna chants - before i got the G.D. to work for me. Even now i listen to myself to know when i am ready for something or not. You have to trust yourself.

[alkemical]

oh yeah, if you have any questions i can point in you a direction - but i refuse to give you 'answers'.... if that makes any sense whatsoever.

[BKK]

Mister BKK:

I'm not sure where to start in replying to your post (below), or even whether its a good idea to 'start' at all. But I'm gonna try:

Tensi's original quote was the following:


TO WHICH I replied:

TO WHICH YOU replied:

I am so very sorry to see that both of you have become tragic victims of the Bush/Cheney fear campaign. But this fear campaign is/was just a political ploy - not a REAL threat! Your fears are absolutely unfounded! They're just trying to influence voters - that's all!

So, dry your eyes ... and trust me on this: There is NO chance - absolutely ZERO chance - that the "oppressive yoke of Islamic Fascism" will ever darken the shores of North America. So you can both un-pucker your sphincters and relax. And good heavens - grow a sack.

Islamic Fascism has already darkened our shores (see 9/11/01) and they will try again, as soon as we let up our guard and our offensive. We must keep these people rocked back on their heels until the fight has left them, they come to their senses or they are not around anymore. their choice.

[BroncoBuff]

oh yeah, if you have any questions i can point in you a direction - but i refuse to give you 'answers'.... if that makes any sense whatsoever.
Damn ... thanks. It's gonna take awhile to digest this ... but the song on that site sounds great...

[BroncoBuff]

Islamic Fascism has already darkened our shores (see 9/11/01) and they will try again, as soon as we let up our guard and our offensive. We must keep these people rocked back on their heels until the fight has left them, they come to their senses or they are not around anymore. their choice.
I basically agree with the second half of that, though I GREATLY DISAGREE that "putting up that guard" is more efficiently accomplished by either party. I might've thought the Republicans would be a bit better at it - but that was before the current administration stepped on their tools everywhere.

And as far as "darkening our shores," - YES, of course we were and may again be attacked and suffer horrible losses ...

But I was responding to the "I refuse to live under the oppressive yoke of Islamic fascism" quote. THAT will never happen here. What you did was take my reply and change what I was replying to, and then disagreed.

See "strawman," definition of. :welcome:

[alkemical]

Damn ... thanks. It's gonna take awhile to digest this ... but the song on that site sounds great...


No problems - the only thing i can tell you is - i'm working on making a dreamachine..... ;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Islamic Fascism has already darkened our shores...

:giggle:

"Islamic fascism?"

Isn't funny how they all latch onto the doofus in chief's latest catch phrase and start marching in lockstep?

[alkemical]

:giggle:

"Islamic fascism?"

Isn't funny how they all latch onto the doofus in chief's latest catch phrase and start marching in lockstep?


Yes, ban those neocons!

[Rohirrim]

The World Almanac estimates that there are 1.1 billion Muslims in the world. If all of them were militant fundamentalists intent on destroying the United States, we'd be in deep ****. The population of the U.S. is less than one third of that.

It almost brings up an idea... what if we were to devise a foreign policy based on our ideals (instead of the desires of the corporations that own our politicians), and what if we developed alternate energy sources, and what if we stopped supporting the tyrants of the ME driving around in gold RRs while their people starve, and we created a foreign policy that encourages these countries to create the kind of opportunities that provide jobs and hope for their people (like in India), and we began to strengthen the moderate Muslims in all of these countries until their voices were so strong that they could overwhelm the militants and radicals in their own ranks and marginalize the fundamentalists?


Nah!



Bomb 'em all. ;D

[Ninjafied]

It almost brings up an idea... what if we were to devise a foreign policy based on our ideals (instead of the desires of the corporations that own our politicians), and what if we developed alternate energy sources, and what if we stopped supporting the tyrants of the ME driving around in gold RRs while their people starve, and we created a foreign policy that encourages these countries to create the kind of opportunities that provide jobs and hope for their people (like in India), and we began to strengthen the moderate Muslims in all of these countries until their voices were so strong that they could overwhelm the militants and radicals in their own ranks and marginalize the fundamentalists?
In theory your plan sounds fantastic. At the core of the Middle Eastern problem is that the majority of people there have not been enriched, either materially or intellectually, by their governments. The Middle Eastern rulers never needed to use their citizens as a revenue base (a la taxes) because the countries’ wealth flowed directly from the ground. Developing alternative energy would probably be a good push to get them moving in that direction.
Nonetheless, the problems there are old and deep rooted and change is very slow. Its not like hundreds of millions of Indians suddenly have hope now – most are still starving and among the world poorest people (and will be for a long time).
But in the Middle East, while this slow change towards building up a middle class is taking place, it’s not like the fundamentalists are going to sit on their hands. Their power lies in keeping people oppressed and/or focused on an enemy. If the western world starts helping to strengthen their middle class the fundis will bomb us for pushing our principles on the Islamic people. All they need for violence is a reason; and if they don’t have one they’ll make it up.
And thus the cycle continues.

[Ninjafied]

The World Almanac estimates that there are 1.1 billion Muslims in the world. If all of them were militant fundamentalists intent on destroying the United States, we'd be in deep ****. The population of the U.S. is less than one third of that.
At least I’d like to think we’ll have over 1.1bil godless Chinese on our side, bless them all. ;D

[Rohirrim]

In theory your plan sounds fantastic. At the core of the Middle Eastern problem is that the majority of people there have not been enriched, either materially or intellectually, by their governments. The Middle Eastern rulers never needed to use their citizens as a revenue base (a la taxes) because the countries’ wealth flowed directly from the ground. Developing alternative energy would probably be a good push to get them moving in that direction.
Nonetheless, the problems there are old and deep rooted and change is very slow. Its not like hundreds of millions of Indians suddenly have hope now – most are still starving and among the world poorest people (and will be for a long time).
But in the Middle East, while this slow change towards building up a middle class is taking place, it’s not like the fundamentalists are going to sit on their hands. Their power lies in keeping people oppressed and/or focused on an enemy. If the western world starts helping to strengthen their middle class the fundis will bomb us for pushing our principles on the Islamic people. All they need for violence is a reason; and if they don’t have one they’ll make it up.
And thus the cycle continues.

The bin Ladens of the world are going to try to attack us no matter what. We have to create very strong intelligence networks throughout the world to combat them, a much stronger homeland defense (it would help to have those 120,000 NG troops home from Iraq), and stay alert at all times. However, I disagree with the Bush concept of playing whack a mole with the terrorists. For every bomb we drop we probably create five more terrorists. There's no end game to that idea. Just use the Palestinians as an example. Israel has been playing whack a mole with them for 50 years. Are they any closer to victory on that front? Have the Palestinians run out of terrorists? The U.S. needs to get smart on this, IMO. Create a policy that actually has an end game. Someday, we'll either run out of oil or it will get so expensive that we have to go to alternatives. Why not move in that direction now? Why not stop designing our foreign policy in the ME around what Exxon wants and instead, formulate a policy that works best for the American people?

[mhgaffney]

Why not stop designing our foreign policy in the ME around what Exxon wants and instead, formulate a policy that works best for the American people?

I am no friend of Exxon, but for the record I feel compelled to note that ever since the days of Sec of state Rogers (under Nixon) the oil industry has supported the international consensus, in other words, a peace settlement between the Palestinians and Israel.

The oil barons see this in the cold logic of their own interests. Peace and stability is good for business.

Of course, they were over ruled. The supporters of Israel (its maximum agenda) have won.

From the **** being slung on this board it should be obvious that in this revisionist world those who beg to differ are stigmatized as anti semitic, a new and extremely powerful tool for mind control.
MG

[defenseman]

Yes, ban those neocons!

Ban the neocons? You don't want to do that. Who will enable you guys to argue your "bones to pick"? No one. Besides, ban the Neocons, then the ACLU will come in and "ban" you. Then they'll ban this, that and of course the other, lining their pockets in the process of bringing down the "mane" , so to speak. Thats no fun for anyone now is it;D ...dman

[alkemical]

Ban the neocons? You don't want to do that. Who will enable you guys to argue your "bones to pick"? No one. Besides, ban the Neocons, then the ACLU will come in and "ban" you. Then they'll ban this, that and of course the other, lining their pockets in the process of bringing down the "mane" , so to speak. Thats no fun for anyone now is it;D ...dman


I'm sure you saw teh greater iron in that comment to the posted i quoted in the original... ;)



Dman, i had the FCC looking into me for some of my radio stuff when i was HS... ;)

[RaiderH8r]

If you want to study a REALLY, REALLY interesting religion, look into Zoroastrianism. It is an ancient Persian (Iranian) based religion that has followeres as far east as India.
The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.

[Rohirrim]

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.

I nominate this as the strangest post I've ever read. :thumbs:

[RaiderH8r]

I nominate this as the strangest post I've ever read. :thumbs:
I wish I could take credit. Unfortunately the Evil Genious behind that quote is none other than Dick Cheney...you know him better as Dr. Evil.

I figured a little something to lighten the mood.

[The Lone Bolt]

I nominate this as the strangest post I've ever read. :thumbs:

http://www.ctgilles.net/images/pictars/dr.evil_one_miliion_dollars.jpg

Very interesting Mr. Powers . . .

[orangenblue2]

I stated to either dbruleu or angryllama that i had a meditation that i was the christos on the cross. In my meditation i was, and i felt his fear that maybe god had betrayed him, and i felt his compassion. But not matter what anyone tells you, in "MY" expierence i felt his very human emotions.

now was it true, or was it a dream? Either way, if not true or just a dream the expirence was moving and contained it's own knowledge in 'walking in someone else's shoes'.


Woo, dude, Woo...:peace:

[BroncsRule]

Only on the Mane can you go 5 pages into a thread on Noam Chomskey and the end of the world and find Dr. Evil's "Meat Helmet" soliloquy.

Brilliant!