Courtney Brown Out For The Rest Of Preseason With A Pulled Hammy?

[DeusExManning]

Riding home from work on AM 570 during sports news at 5 they reported Courtney Brown as out with a pulled hamstring for the rest of preseason. Has anyone else heard this? I thought he has been out with an inflamed knee?

[bpc]

I doubt it is the hammy as Shanahan has said it was his knee numerous times. That being said, we should get this thing checked out and get his surgery done ASAP before the season. Almost gurranteed he is having some kind of particles caught up in the area and he needs to get them cleaned out.

[JCMElway]

Hmmmm....If Courtney is having injury issues (shock) then a trade for Greg Ellis could look very attractive......

[Disco Man]

It's a knee....same thing went down last year, he missed all of the preseason. There is some swelling in the one that was cut on last year, didn't say anything about another surgery.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think it was 950 this morning that said he could be out for the rest of camp

[Ringwold]

Same old story with this guy. Who is going to replace him? Ekuban?

[Disco Man]

....again, he missed all preseason last year and had no problems after that.

[(Jae)]

Soooooooo..........do we go after Adrian Peterson?

[Disco Man]

Look for many Vets to sit out in Detroit as they need the rest. Rod Smith & Walker are not going to play, let's see what Kircus can do.

[plummershelper]

Soooooooo..........do we go after Adrian Peterson?

Please tell me you're being comical with your cynicism. There's no way we'd be that bad to pick him up next draft (knocks on wood).

[watermock]

Next year our draft will be heavy on DL.

We are all nervous about the DL.

[NaptownChief]

It's tough to tell whether it is a knee or hammy as they are both so closely attached to his glass vagina and a slight tug at either the knee or hammy can shatter the thing...Poor guy, we should all keep him in our thoughts as a glass vagina is very painful and tough to live with.

[Malcontent]

It's tough to tell whether it is a knee or hammy as they are both so closely attached to his glass vagina and a slight tug at either the knee or hammy can shatter the thing...Poor guy, we should all keep him in our thoughts as a glass vagina is very painful and tough to live with.


I'll say it.. "Only you should know Napp."

[watermock]

Same old story with this guy. Who is going to replace him? Ekuban?

Could you possibly create a more pathetic handle?

Brown played every regular season game and post season to my memory. I think DL will be addressed in the draft next year for sure. Try to remember that C. Brown was picked up for NOTHING NADA. There obviously is some irritation in there but that's not my call. The knee might just be shot. Drain it out, shoot it with cortizone and send him out. Or clean it out again. Maybe he needs a rinse and repeat. Sometimes the can just irrigate and suck out loose cartilage.

[Garcia Bronco]

Draft a ****ing defensive end...we could have had Daryl Tapp instead of this garbage.

[Will Wayfarer]

He missed last preseason with a dislocated shoulder.

He missed the Dolphins game too.

[DeusExManning]

It's tough to tell whether it is a knee or hammy as they are both so closely attached to his glass vagina and a slight tug at either the knee or hammy can shatter the thing...Poor guy, we should all keep him in our thoughts as a glass vagina is very painful and tough to live with.

It must be tough, you and all Chief fans have to live with it every day.

[plummershelper]

He missed last preseason with a dislocated shoulder.

He missed the Dolphins game too.

It was his elbow and he wore a brace on it most of, if not the whole season.

[Iowanian]

Don't worry fellas....you've still got 4 browncows left.

[Florida_Bronco]

Don't worry fellas....you've still got 4 browncows left.

I guess we better jump on the Chiefs bandwagon, I hear they're a lock to win the Super Bowl.

[Ballhawk]

It was just a scope to clean up his knee, jeez. Cheif fans are such drama queens.

[Popps]

Draft a ****ing defensive end...we could have had Daryl Tapp instead of this garbage.

Same story... going on 10 years.

Now we're hoping for some old, average vet to save us? (Lang)

It's embarrassing.

It would suck if Brown was hurt. I'd hate to miss out on his 20 tackles and 2 sacks this year.

[Ballhawk]

Same story... going on 10 years.

Now we're hoping for some old, average vet to save us? (Lang)

It's embarrassing.

It would suck if Brown was hurt. I'd hate to miss out on his 20 tackles and 2 sacks this year.

I guess no matter how many times the players or coaches say that the Dline's job last year was to hold hold the line and not attack, you're just going to blame the talent.

From camp reports (Kahn) Elvis has done very well so far...have a little faith.

[Odysseus]

I guess we better jump on the Chiefs bandwagon, I hear they're a lock to win the Super Bowl.

Don't do that Florida! That bandwagon has been a fire hazard for nearly four decades. That is the real reason so many Chiefs fans hide here is because of that.

That is why LJ (A turbo charged engine) is going to suck. He's in a car made of flammable materials.

[Garcia Bronco]

Same story... going on 10 years.

Now we're hoping for some old, average vet to save us? (Lang)

It's embarrassing.

It would suck if Brown was hurt. I'd hate to miss out on his 20 tackles and 2 sacks this year.


you got that right. don't get me wrong...the guy is good against the run, but we need to bare down on the qb's of the league. hopefully this year we can get bigger leads and thus get more aggressive

[Popps]

I guess no matter how many times the players or coaches say that the Dline's job last year was to hold hold the line and not attack, you're just going to blame the talent.

From camp reports (Kahn) Elvis has done very well so far...have a little faith.

First off, it wasn't just last year.

Second off, pop in the tape from the Pittsburgh game and tell me that's the "scheme." Was it the scheme the year before? How about the year before that?

30th in the league in sacks? That's scheme? You honestly believe that we never send our linemen after the quarterback?

Coyer said himself we need to be able to generate pressure WITHOUT the blitz. That means linemen... and ours can't do it.

[baja]

First off, it wasn't just last year.

Second off, pop in the tape from the Pittsburgh game and tell me that's the "scheme." Was it the scheme the year before? How about the year before that?

30th in the league in sacks? That's scheme? You honestly believe that we never send our linemen after the quarterback?

Coyer said himself we need to be able to generate pressure WITHOUT the blitz. That means linemen... and ours can't do it.

BallHawk is correct we did not rush the passer with the front 4 these last two years. It's what Pryce has been complaining about. it is only this season that Coyer has finally admitted we need to be able to put pressure on the QB with the front 4 , it's basic to the game of football. I know you have been saying this for years now popps, finally coyer agrees with you so we will see what the effort produces.

[Popps]

BallHawk is correct we did not rush the passer with the front 4 these last two years. It's what Pryce has been complaining about. it is only this season that Coyer has finally admitted we need to be able to put pressure on the QB with the front 4 , it's basic to the game of football. I know you have been saying this for years now popps, finally coyer agrees with you so we will see what the effort produces.

I'd certainly be willing to buy some of the idea that when we send blitzes, we keep guys home to protect against draws, engage blockers, etc. But, I don't think that's all of it. I think we lack talent. We had a talented guy in Berry and let him walk. Now, we've got a bunch of decent, run-stopping linemen, but not one guy who is a threat to sack the QB or make a play behind the line of scrimmage.

Broken record, I know... but if you go back to the SB days, Smith and Williams were not only terrorizing QBs, they were dragging ball carriers down behind the line of scrimmage, busting up plays, etc. When was the last time we've seen any of our guys do that? Trevor Pryce did it against K.C. at home last year. Aside from that, nothing.

Maybe a scheme change will help. I hope so, I'm just not sold on the talent level of the guys we have out there, particularly on the ends.

[Ringwold]

Me neither, Popps. We better hope Corey Jackson is a diamond in the rough.

[fontaine]

BallHawk is correct we did not rush the passer with the front 4 these last two years. It's what Pryce has been complaining about. it is only this season that Coyer has finally admitted we need to be able to put pressure on the QB with the front 4 , it's basic to the game of football. I know you have been saying this for years now popps, finally coyer agrees with you so we will see what the effort produces.

This is so out of left field.

Denver's been running a modified version of Tampa's cover 2 for years because we have fast athletic linebackers and now we've got the 2ndary to match. That's why Lynch is so effective in our system as well and why we dropped a buttload of money on Gold. That system relies on 4 down line man rushing the QB and it's something we've tried to do every year. Instead of getting guys who can do this we routinely let DEs like Berry/Heywerd walk, not draft DE high, and end up replacing the DL with scrubs and leftovers from the bargain basement buffet table of the NFL.

[eddie mac]

Doubt whether the Broncos will ever spend any big money on a DE. Apart from Warren the D Money goes on the workhorses in this team: linebackers and defensive backs.

[Ballhawk]

First off, it wasn't just last year.

Second off, pop in the tape from the Pittsburgh game and tell me that's the "scheme." Was it the scheme the year before? How about the year before that?

30th in the league in sacks? That's scheme? You honestly believe that we never send our linemen after the quarterback?

Coyer said himself we need to be able to generate pressure WITHOUT the blitz. That means linemen... and ours can't do it.

In the Pitt game we kept blitzing against Max protect and our DBs played way too far off and got picked apart. That was Coyer's fault all the way. I suspect that Pitt watched our game against WA where we did the same damn thing and just about got picked apart by Brunell (watch both games and you will see a carbon copy attack against our D).

As to the other, I cant go back more than 1 year because everyone who played Dline in 2003-04 was not starting in 2005. We had 4 new starters (Except Pryce in 2003). So I can't just blanket them all together and say the talent sucks.

This may be the first year we go into the season not having to protect our DBs. We had street FAs in 2003, same thing opposite Champ in 2004, and 2 rookies last year. Yes the rookies played well, but a lot of what we did protected them. Mostly basic schemes. Throw in the fact that we have never had three healthy starting DBs for the playoffs and you may start to see a pattern.

Im just saying have a little faith that the new system will bring results.

[fontaine]

Doubt whether the Broncos will ever spend any big money on a DE. Apart from Warren the D Money goes on the workhorses in this team: linebackers and defensive backs.

Yeah, but how many more LBs, and CB do we need?

We already are 3 deep at CB and four deep at LB because Nate Webster could start without any major drop off.

I think we already tried to address DE by trying to sign Carter but Artie Ziff dropped a buttload of cash on him that was way too much.

Hell, Pryce had a cap value of almost $8million last year for what? Two sacks?

I don't blame Shanahan for this. It's blatantly obvious he's not a great judge of talent when it comes to CB/DL but where the hell is the rest of the FO? If the Faders can sign Burgess and the Chefs can grab a 2nd day guy like Jared Allen then Denver scouts need to be nutkicked for slobbering over guys like Clint Mitchell, Aaron Hunt, Nick Eason, Luther Ellis, etc etc.

[fontaine]

In the Pitt game we kept blitzing against Max protect and our DBs played way too far off and got picked apart. That was Coyer's fault all the way. I suspect that Pitt watched our game against WA where we did the same damn thing and just about got picked apart by Brunell (watch both games and you will see a carbon copy attack against our D).


I'm not so sure about that. How did the Steelers go "Max Protect" when they were showing 3 WR set? A lot of those passes went to their 3rd WR in Cedric Wilson.

The Steelers went 3 Wideouts (interchanged TE/WR) as their base set and their OL was able to pick up our blitz package and the DL couldn't get within a mile of Rothlisberger.

I don't care if you've got 3 Champ Baileys at CB. If a good QB has enough time to get to his third read without pressure then he'll complete the pass.

[gunns]

Coyer said himself we need to be able to generate pressure WITHOUT the blitz.

Gee, ya think?

it is only this season that Coyer has finally admitted we need to be able to put pressure on the QB with the front 4 ,

Sometimes I think this guy is the biggest defensive problem. He seems a little slow on the uptake.

Doubt whether the Broncos will ever spend any big money on a DE. Apart from Warren the D Money goes on the workhorses in this team: linebackers and defensive backs.

Could we spend some of that money on a safety?

[Ballhawk]

I'm not so sure about that. How did the Steelers go "Max Protect" when they were showing 3 WR set? A lot of those passes went to their 3rd WR in Cedric Wilson.

The Steelers went 3 Wideouts (interchanged TE/WR) as their base set and their OL was able to pick up our blitz package and the DL couldn't get within a mile of Rothlisberger.

I don't care if you've got 3 Champ Baileys at CB. If a good QB has enough time to get to his third read without pressure then he'll complete the pass.

7 staying in to Block is max protect, TE and RB stayed to block almost exclusively. I am not saying we have what it takes to rush 4 and get pressure, Im just saying do not convict the guys we have for the scheme they played.

[fontaine]

7 staying in to Block is max protect, TE and RB stayed to block almost exclusively. I am not saying we have what it takes to rush 4 and get pressure, Im just saying do not convict the guys we have for the scheme they played.

I dunno man. We played with the lead so often last year that I find it hard to believe Coyer just said to his guys to stay at home and stuff the run when offenses attempted the 2nd or 3rd most passes against us.

The most success we had recently in rushing the QB was when we had Pryce/Berry/Heywerd in a nickle package and we effectively used stunts etc to move Pryce in and out. We simply don't have players that can beat players one on one except for maybe Warren and DTs can push the pocket but it's the DEs that have to finish the job.

[Popps]

The most success we had recently in rushing the QB was when we had Pryce/Berry/Heywerd in a nickle package and we effectively used stunts etc to move Pryce in and out. We simply don't have players that can beat players one on one except for maybe Warren and DTs can push the pocket but it's the DEs that have to finish the job.

Bingo.

Again, yes... we did send blitz packages at Pittsburgh. (Without success.)
But, we also dropped guys in to coverage, and when our linemen had to generate pass-rush without the help of blitzers, they absolutely couldn't do it, and it's been that way for a long time.

Is it partially scheme? Maybe. But, I'm talking about situations where we are obviously asking our linemen to penetrate and disrupt passing plays. It simply doesn't happen?

Scheme is going to fix that? Well, I'll be doing backflips if you're right. Just not expecting that to be a reality. Scheme can only cover up so much.