Sixty percent of Americans oppose Iraq war: poll

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sixty percent of Americans oppose the U.S. war in
Iraq and a majority would support a partial withdrawal of troops by year's end, a CNN poll said on Wednesday.

It was the CNN poll's highest number opposing the war since fighting began in March 2003, a figure that has risen steadily since then, according to the Opinion Research Corp. survey conducted last week on behalf of the cable network.

The poll showed 36 percent of respondents said they were in favor of the war -- half the peak 72 percent who supported the war as it began, said the poll of 1,047 Americans.

The telephone survey, which had an error margin of 3 percentage points, showed 61 percent believed at least some U.S. troops should be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of 2006.

Voter anger over the Iraq war, plagued by insurgent and sectarian violence with a daily civilian death toll, was cited in the Connecticut Democratic primary defeat Tuesday of U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record), who strongly backed President George W. Bush's war effort.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060809/ts_nm/iraq_usa_poll_dc

[BKK]

OK, and we can all agree that 60% of Americans dont know anything about the world they live in other than whats going on with pop culture b*lls**t. The very same ones you quote in your poll.

[Rohirrim]

OK, and we can all agree that 60% of Americans dont know anything about the world they live in other than whats going on with pop culture b*lls**t. The very same ones you quote in your poll.
LOL That's a good one.

[defenseman]

OK, and we can all agree that 60% of Americans dont know anything about the world they live in other than whats going on with pop culture b*lls**t. The very same ones you quote in your poll.

Reuters reported, CNN conducted poll, real quality news here guys. Both are so far left, they fell off the map. This poll , just by whose reporting and conducted, is a damn joke. Another far left failure..dman

[Barry Ramey]

Wars thankfully aren't fought with poll numbers. More people in this country seem more worried about who won "Idol" or who in Hollywood is getting married for the 10th time that won't last as long their previous marriage to learn what's really going on in the world.

[Spider]

I stil dont see what the Iraqi war has to do with Terrorism ........... Afhanistan is where the fight was at

[Spider]

hmmmmmmm I just heard on the Radio , Rumsfeld , Cheney part of Jerry Fords staff , said Russia was building a sub that cant be detected , the Sub is a wmd , for attack missions only ....quote Rummy " the mere fact you cant find the sub means it is there " meanwhile the CIA said , there is no such sub , the Soviet Union is collasping , they will be lucky to make it another 10 years .........alot of sounds familure . same tactic , make Americans afraid ............

[Barry Ramey]

Well, much of the media would like to ignore facts that don't go with their beliefs and what they want others to believe, but it is a fact Iraq was also sponsoring terrorism, mainly at Samon Pak where they held training camps and I believe in the northern part of the country. Hussein also offered a lot of money to families whose sons carried out a suicide bombings. Why on Earth would he do that if wasn't agreeing with those actions? And all of this is fact!

I mean, it would be nice if people used their own common sense. Every middle eastern country as terrorists organizations inside their countries and/or helping terrorists with money, but we're supposed to believe Iraq was different and didn't have any and didn't support terrorist groups? Come on, that just flies in the face of common sense. Anybody who really believes Iraq was the only country in that region not involved in terrorism wants to be fooled and doesn't want to think rationally or with any sense.

[DBruleU]

Wars thankfully aren't fought with poll numbers. More people in this country seem more worried about who won "Idol" or who in Hollywood is getting married for the 10th time that won't last as long their previous marriage to learn what's really going on in the world.

It's faught with polls if you are a Democrat. As evidence of all the Democrats right now.

[Spider]

Well, much of the media would like to ignore facts that don't go with their beliefs and what they want others to believe, but it is a fact Iraq was also sponsoring terrorism, mainly at Samon Pak where they held training camps and I believe in the northern part of the country. Hussein also offered a lot of money to families whose sons carried out a suicide bombings. Why on Earth would he do that if wasn't agreeing with those actions? And all of this is fact!

I mean, it would be nice if people used their own common sense. Every middle eastern country as terrorists organizations inside their countries and/or helping terrorists with money, but we're supposed to believe Iraq was different and didn't have any and didn't support terrorist groups? Come on, that just flies in the face of common sense. Anybody who really believes Iraq was the only country in that region not involved in terrorism wants to be fooled and doesn't want to think rationally or with any sense.
pfffffft Pure Bullshít ...... Saudi Arabia supports more terrorism then Saddam ever did ....... Iran done more then Saddam did ....... you are just putting out Bullshít , to justify the iraqi war .......... Hell I bet Pakistan did more to help out terrorism then Saddam .......

[Spider]

I know lets play 20 questions . i will start ... who is Dr AQ Khan ?
please pay attention there will be a quiz after

[DBruleU]

pfffffft Pure Bullshít ...... Saudi Arabia supports more terrorism then Saddam ever did ....... Iran done more then Saddam did ....... you are just putting out Bullshít , to justify the iraqi war .......... Hell I bet Pakistan did more to help out terrorism then Saddam .......

You'd be saying the same thing if we had gone after any of those rather than Iraq.

It would have always been, " So and So is who we should have gone after."

Face it, the Liberals in this country wont ever warm up to the idea of war. Sometimes it's necessary. And right now it is.

[Spider]

You'd be saying the same thing if we had gone after any of those rather than Iraq.

It would have always been, " So and So is who we should have gone after."

Face it, the Liberals in this country wont ever warm up to the idea of war. Sometimes it's necessary. And right now it is.
Does being stupid come easy for you ? I supported the Afghan war , dummy , in fact most thought I was a republican , imagine the shock when they found out I wasnt .......

[DBruleU]

Does being stupid come easy for you ? I supported the Afghan war , dummy , in fact most thought I was a republican , imagine the shock when they found out I wasnt .......

I know you did. So what?

The war on terrorism is a non-stop on going war. You cant just give and up run after Afghanistan. It doesnt end there. Unfortunately, the entire ME is infested with these people, may as well start somewhere.

[Spider]

I know you did. So what?

The war on terrorism is a non-stop on going war. You cant just give and up run after Afghanistan. It doesnt end there. Unfortunately, the entire ME is infested with these people, may as well start somewhere.
wo you can lead a horse to water , but you cant make him drink ......... On what grounds do you think I would object to invading those other countries , when I established I would support a war if the the war is just ?
ok maybe this will help........
Invading Iran ? Yep I would support it , that leader is the same one that took american hostages back in 79 , you dont reward behavior like that .........
Invading Pakistan ? support ? yep , selling nuclear plans and equipment is grounds enough to at least shut down thier borders ............
Saudi Arabia ? Hell yes invade , in fact in vade , head back to the border and invade again ,Wabbism is the worst . they teach this stuff to kids in school , 15 our of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia , Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia , made the connection yet ?

[defenseman]

You'd be saying the same thing if we had gone after any of those rather than Iraq.

It would have always been, " So and So is who we should have gone after."

Face it, the Liberals in this country wont ever warm up to the idea of war. Sometimes it's necessary. And right now it is.
the repubs and GW are running the show right now. the dems are only interested in forwarding their agenda, and anything that is against GW and the repubs. they really aren't worried about americans and their problems. They just want to resolve their own personal problems. I'm waiting for hillary to morph into a pacifists based on millionaire liberal peaceniks election win in CT. Look for it, she'll do anything, ANYTHING to get elected....just like the rest of the dems..dman

[Barry Ramey]

Thank you, you're making my argument for me by naming othe countries with terrorist ties, just like I mentioned. I don't recall stating Iraq had more terrorism ties than this or that country, you can argue those semantics all day if you like. Bottom line is Iraq had sanctions put upon them and they weren't following them. SA, Iran nor Pakistan did not have sanctions at the time, much less violating them. As been pointed out, there's a problem with terrorism all through the ME, so why not start with Afghanistan who housed the Taliban and responsible for 9/11 and Iraq who was violating sanctions that had been applied after invading another country just for the heck of it and was helping to train terrorists at Samon Pak? I know this may make too much sense though.



pfffffft Pure Bullshít ...... Saudi Arabia supports more terrorism then Saddam ever did ....... Iran done more then Saddam did ....... you are just putting out Bullshít , to justify the iraqi war .......... Hell I bet Pakistan did more to help out terrorism then Saddam .......

[mhgaffney]

hmmmmmmm I just heard on the Radio , Rumsfeld , Cheney part of Jerry Fords staff , said Russia was building a sub that cant be detected , the Sub is a wmd , for attack missions only ....quote Rummy " the mere fact you cant find the sub means it is there " meanwhile the CIA said , there is no such sub , the Soviet Union is collasping , they will be lucky to make it another 10 years .........alot of sounds familure . same tactic , make Americans afraid ............


This news story is only the tip of an iceberg. Last spring two professors argued convincingly in Foreign Affairs (link below) that from the moment Bush took office the US has been pushing to achieve first strike nuclear capability over China and Russia -- something we didn't have during the Cold War.

Their article is an eye opener. The two professors pointed out that the former Soviet nuclear deterrent is seriously degraded. The Russian sub fleet rusts in port. Many of their ICBMs were lost in the breakup of the soviet state or have become unreliable due to age. And their strategic bombers are now concentrated at only a few bases -- hence, vulnerable. Not only this, a gaping hole now exists in the Russian early warning radar network. Russia is blind to their east. US trident subs off the coast of Kamchatka can lob nukes into Moscow without being detected.

China has only a few dozen ICBMs and is even more vulnerable to a US first strike.

This probably explains Bush's unilateral abrogation of the ABM missile treaty in 2002 and his emphasis on the star wars defensive shield. Critics point out that star wars in fact it makes no sense from the standpoint of defense but only as a part of an offensive capability.

Awareness of their increasing vulnerability evidently prompted Russia to try to beef up their nuclear deterrent force. Putin recently announced the commission of two new nuclear subs this year.

This would certainly explain Rummy's concern over a Russian sub he can't track. Clearly, the world is at an unstable historical moment, hence extremely dangerous, esp given the neo con agenda, probably the most perilous time since the Cuban missile crisis.

Thanks Earl for picking up on this. MG

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204-p0/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html

[BroncoBuff]

Well, much of the media would like to ignore facts that don't go with their beliefs and what they want others to believe, but it is a fact Iraq was also sponsoring terrorism, mainly at Samon Pak where they held training camps and I believe in the northern part of the country. Hussein also offered a lot of money to families whose sons carried out a suicide bombings. Why on Earth would he do that if wasn't agreeing with those actions? And all of this is fact!
Barry ... sorry, sir, while it is true there was a quasi-terrorist training camp for a time in the unregulated Kurdish north of Iraq, that section of the country was completely outside Saddam's jurisdiction.

(And, btw, it was also outside the no-fly zone that was working so well under the Clinton administration.)

Further, these vain attempts to link Saddam with Islamic fundamentalist terror groups is just plain silly. Saddam was 100% secular, and couldn't stand religious adherants.

In reading your post, I'm struck by how very close it is to a verbatim transcript of what Bill O'Reilly said on his show recently. Right down to "all of this is fact."

[mhgaffney]

This also probably explains Bush's switch several years ago to a nuclear first strike policy - which was unprecedented. The new policy amounts to muscle flexing -- though Dr Helen Caldicott would probably add that it also reflects unfulfilled sexual fantasies...

The neo cons have taken us into uncharted territory.

[BroncoBuff]

Barry, your logic on Saddam is roughly eqivalent to someone in Europe or Asia or Africa saying, in the mid-1980s:

"Ronald Reagan supports Nazi white supremecists. He really, really does. It's well known that several Aryan terrorist training sites exist in the western USA ... in Idaho."That was true in 1985. But can you extrapolate that Reagan was an Aryan fighter? No.

Same freakin' thing, brah!

[alkemical]

I know you did. So what?

The war on terrorism is a non-stop on going war. You cant just give and up run after Afghanistan. It doesnt end there. Unfortunately, the entire ME is infested with these people, may as well start somewhere.


man, you'd think the war on drugs, war on poverty would show you gov't red tape won't solve it.

War on terror - that's such a hoot.

Why are we always declaring war on something anyway?

I want a war on saurkraut - that stuff stinks like ass

[DBruleU]

man, you'd think the war on drugs, war on poverty would show you gov't red tape won't solve it.

War on terror - that's such a hoot.

Why are we always declaring war on something anyway?

I want a war on saurkraut - that stuff stinks like ass

It's not a war? What is it then? A misunderstanding? Do we just not understand them enough, and they us?

I dont think we are always declaring war on something. I think they declared war on us.

What is Spiders favorite saying? "Mess with the bull, get the horn?" Yeah, something stupid along those lines that he oversuses. Along with all his other macho "sanctimonious" bs.

[W*GS]

OK, and we can all agree that 60% of Americans dont know anything about the world they live in other than whats going on with pop culture b*lls**t. The very same ones you quote in your poll.

Bingo...

[alkemical]

It's not a war? What is it then? A misunderstanding? Do we just not understand them enough, and they us?

I dont think we are always declaring war on something. I think they declared war on us.

What is Spiders favorite saying? "Mess with the bull, get the horn?" Yeah, something stupid along those lines that he oversuses. Along with all his other macho "sanctimonious" bs.


You still don't get it do you.

[Rohirrim]

the repubs and GW are running the show right now. the dems are only interested in forwarding their agenda, and anything that is against GW and the repubs. they really aren't worried about americans and their problems. They just want to resolve their own personal problems. I'm waiting for hillary to morph into a pacifists based on millionaire liberal peaceniks election win in CT. Look for it, she'll do anything, ANYTHING to get elected....just like the rest of the dems..dman

Is that like Bush's hired guns, who never served a day, calling war heroes cowards? They invented the term "Swift Boat." How about when they lied about Max Cleland, saying that he was drunk and playing with a grenade when he lost an arm and both legs? I especially liked the one where they spread the rumor that McCain's time at the Hanoi Hilton may have made him a little crazy, or the nighttime calls in SC where they told voters that McCain was the father of a black child (one of his adopted children is african-american). The best one, of course, is when Cheney (who got 8 rather questionable deferments) said that Kerry's purple hearts were "Questionable." Of course, although Cheney might not know anything about being shot at, he sure knows something about shooting others.

ANYTHING to get elected? The Dems can't shine the Repugs boots when it comes to dirty tricks. It's funny when those with no honor whatsover question the honor of others. Especially, when it's a bunch of deferment monkeys questioning the honor of combat veterans.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Is that like Bush's hired guns, who never served a day, calling war heroes cowards? They invented the term "Swift Boat." How about when they lied about Max Cleland, saying that he was drunk and playing with a grenade when he lost an arm and both legs? I especially liked the one where they spread the rumor that McCain's time at the Hanoi Hilton may have made him a little crazy, or the nighttime calls in SC where they told voters that McCain was the father of a black child (one of his adopted children is african-american). The best one, of course, is when Cheney (who got 8 rather questionable deferments) said that Kerry's purple hearts were "Questionable." Of course, although Cheney might not know anything about being shot at, he sure knows something about shooting others.

ANYTHING to get elected? The Dems can't shine the Repugs boots when it comes to dirty tricks. It's funny when those with no honor whatsover question the honor of others. Especially, when it's a bunch of deferment monkeys questioning the honor of combat veterans.


:thumbsup: Quoted for truth.

The propaganda, disinformation, and outright delusion the ever-shrinking minority of Americans who still support this handjob administration have to embrace in order to look in the mirror every morning would be funny were it not so pathetic and revolting.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Face it, the Liberals in this country wont ever warm up to the idea of war. Sometimes it's necessary. And right now it is.
Face this too, most neocons and Bush backers in this country won't ever warm up to idea of fighting the illegal invasions and "wars" they trumpet.

Anyone still supporting the invasion and occupation of Iraq at this point mesh well with the lunatic fringe that believes Bush helped attack us on 9-11.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Face it, the Liberals in this country wont ever warm up to the idea of war. Sometimes it's necessary. And right now it is.

:laugh:

I guess this ingnorant statement only proves that history isn't one of your better subjects.

Do names like FDR, Truman, and LBJ ring a bell? How about Clinton and Bosnia/Kossovo?

[Spider]

Thank you, you're making my argument for me by naming othe countries with terrorist ties, just like I mentioned. I don't recall stating Iraq had more terrorism ties than this or that country, you can argue those semantics all day if you like. Bottom line is Iraq had sanctions put upon them and they weren't following them. SA, Iran nor Pakistan did not have sanctions at the time, much less violating them. As been pointed out, there's a problem with terrorism all through the ME, so why not start with Afghanistan who housed the Taliban and responsible for 9/11 and Iraq who was violating sanctions that had been applied after invading another country just for the heck of it and was helping to train terrorists at Samon Pak? I know this may make too much sense though.

Long story short .... you dont have a damn clue either as to why we are in Iraq

[DBruleU]

:laugh:

I guess this ingnorant statement only proves that history isn't one of your better subjects.

Do names like FDR, Truman, and LBJ ring a bell? How about Clinton and Bosnia/Kossovo?

Um, dudes that lived 40 and more years ago dont count. They have no say right now in your party.

And Clinton? Please.

[Spider]

It's not a war? What is it then? A misunderstanding? Do we just not understand them enough, and they us?

I dont think we are always declaring war on something. I think they declared war on us.

What is Spiders favorite saying? "Mess with the bull, get the horn?" Yeah, something stupid along those lines that he oversuses. Along with all his other macho "sanctimonious" bs.
I got the feeling that if God doesnt call soon, mommie and Daddy will be supporting you for years to come

[DBruleU]

I got the feeling that if God doesnt call soon, mommie and Daddy will be supporting you for years to come

God did call. He said you were to report 30 years ago, but you ran away to Canada. Convenient.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Um, dudes that lived 40 and more years ago dont count. They have no say right now in your party.

But yours was a blanket assertion that liberals don't have the stomach for war.

As you can see, it didn't take much to expose the sheer ignorance of that statement.

And Clinton? Please.

Denying that Bosnia and Kossovo happened?

I guess I shouldn't expect much more than this from you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Spider]

God did call. He said you were to report 30 years ago, but you ran away to Canada. Convenient.
My dad went in my stead , I was way too young ............didnt they cover math in special ed /Bible class ?

[DBruleU]

My dad went in my stead , I was way too young ............didnt they cover math in special ed /Bible class ?

Um, I dont know your age.

[gunns]

Well, much of the media would like to ignore facts that don't go with their beliefs and what they want others to believe, but it is a fact Iraq was also sponsoring terrorism, mainly at Samon Pak where they held training camps and I believe in the northern part of the country. Hussein also offered a lot of money to families whose sons carried out a suicide bombings. Why on Earth would he do that if wasn't agreeing with those actions? And all of this is fact!

I mean, it would be nice if people used their own common sense. Every middle eastern country as terrorists organizations inside their countries and/or helping terrorists with money, but we're supposed to believe Iraq was different and didn't have any and didn't support terrorist groups? Come on, that just flies in the face of common sense. Anybody who really believes Iraq was the only country in that region not involved in terrorism wants to be fooled and doesn't want to think rationally or with any sense.

Saudi Arabia was home to some of the terrorists that attacked us. Why didn't we attack them. As you said every middle eastern country has and is giving money and helping terrorists. So why was it that we went into Iraq? Why is that Zarqawi had to travel to Iraq to become one of our biggest problems there? You mean he wasn't already there? Iraq was about the least threat to the US.

[alkemical]

Saudi Arabia was home to some of the terrorists that attacked us. Why didn't we attack them. As you said every middle eastern country has and is giving money and helping terrorists. So why was it that we went into Iraq? Why is that Zarqawi had to travel to Iraq to become one of our biggest problems there? You mean he wasn't already there? Iraq was about the least threat to the US.


yeah and what's up with that dubai ports deal?

[gunns]

ANYTHING to get elected? The Dems can't shine the Repugs boots when it comes to dirty tricks.

No s***! The Repubs use such stupid ones, a BJ. But those religious zealots fell for that one. The Dem's just had to sit back and let Bush do his thing.

[Spider]

Um, I dont know your age.
and yet you made that post ...........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

and yet you made that post ...........

Since when has not knowing the facts or the truth ever stopped him?

:D

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