I'm sorry but this guy

[in awe]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-fan4k5Zj8

should be worth a lot more then we've been offered. I have a bad feeling that trading Lelie with the potential he has will come back to bite us so we should get great value.

[BroncoMatt]

you couldn't have posted that in any of the other 2000 Ashley threads?

[Rock Chalk]

You know whats funny?

IN that video, I saw Ashley do everything this board criticizes him of being incapable of doing. Shallow slants acrosss the middle, hook routes, post routes, jumping up and fighting for the ball.

Man that bomb he caught at the 4 yrd line against Buffalo was simply amazing.

What a prick. I wish this asshole would have just come to camp, been Ashley, and we would have had three sure handed guys on our team that all could be very dangerous.

DAMN.

Pisses me off the more I think about that asshole.

[Kaylore]

He's not a fit for our system. He needs an offense that is throwing the long ball more (and better) - maybe a team that plays in a dome.

[SoCalBronco]

I think I'm going to start a thread about Jake Plummer.

[Rocket 7]

I'm sorry but this guy

Is acting like a little bitch and we should trade someone who doesn't want to be here and has burned his bridge.

[in awe]

you couldn't have posted that in any of the other 2000 Ashley threads?


Sorry I just thought this video pointed out the talent were losing and I wanted people to realize it.

[Clockwork Orange]

It is a shame. If only there was actual competition for positions at Broncos camp instead of the grossly unfair practices of the coaching staff. ::)

[Rock Chalk]

He's not a fit for our system. He needs an offense that is throwing the long ball more (and better) - maybe a team that plays in a dome.
He'd be a monster in Indy I'm afraid. God I hope those tards dont get him.

[Jens1893]

You know whats funny?

IN that video, I saw Ashley do everything this board criticizes him of being incapable of doing. Shallow slants acrosss the middle, hook routes, post routes, jumping up and fighting for the ball.

Man that bomb he caught at the 4 yrd line against Buffalo was simply amazing.

What a prick. I wish this a-hole would have just come to camp, been Ashley, and we would have had three sure handed guys on our team that all could be very dangerous.

DAMN.

Pisses me off the more I think about that a-hole.

In a 5 minute video you can make ANYONE look good.

And for the record, Ashley lining up in the slot with Walker and Smith as the other wideouts is wet dream material.

[SoCalBronco]

And for the record, Ashley lining up in the slot with Walker and Smith as the other wideouts is wet dream material.

Eh.....I like those two swedish girls at the world cup that you had in youre avatar a little better.

[Rock Chalk]

Eh.....I like those two swedish girls at the world cup that you had in youre avatar a little better.
Let's compare:

Two Swedish futbol lady fans...

Three sure handed receivers filling all the roles we need at WR for a championship run...

Yeah, that's a pretty easy call for men. Three sure handed receivers filling all the roles we need at WR for a championship run is nice and all, but really, how often does one get TWO, count 'em TWO Swedish hot chics?

[Clockwork Orange]

In a 5 minute video you can make ANYONE look good.

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

[freak6]

Great video, completely makes Ashley look great (which I think he is), and make Jake look like a HS QB. Jake missed him so many times deep, Ashley had to stop and wait for the ball quite a bit. Vs the Jets about 1/3 through that video was the best example, he has him beat to the post by 10 yards, Jake throws a fly ball to the left hash instead of leading him right down the field. Ashley stopped and caught the pop fly, but still. The catch vs the Bills was an amazing adjustment. It sucks for all parties, to bad Ashley has his head up is ass.

[SoCalBronco]

Let's compare:

Two Swedish futbol lady fans...

Three sure handed receivers filling all the roles we need at WR for a championship run...

Yeah, that's a pretty easy call for men. Three sure handed receivers filling all the roles we need at WR for a championship run is nice and all, but really, how often does one get TWO, count 'em TWO Swedish hot chics?

Even with Ashley in the slot, I don't think we are going to go on a championship run, so that makes it a VERY easy choice for me. :)

[Kaylore]

Even with Ashley in the slot, I don't think we are going to go on a championship run, so that makes it a VERY easy choice for me. :)
I don't mind you saying we're not going all the way, but please stop laying down and giving the Chiefs the division. We're not even out of preseason yet.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't mind you saying we're not going all the way, but please stop laying down and giving the Chiefs the division. We're not even out of preseason yet.

I never said the Chiefs were a lock for the division title. I said if they can "persuade" Roaf out of retirement (which I think they can), they would be a slight favorite over Denver and San Diego. Im not sure what is so unreasonable about that. If they can't, that will cost them 2 or 3 ballgames.

[Clockwork Orange]

Bah, you said the same stuff last year, SoCal. You're just ants at a picnic. ;D

[2KBack]

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

I find it funny that at least 30% of Bells total yardage last year is on this video.


as the Ash....a highlight video does not a star make. Over and done. As far as I'm concerned Ash isn't on the team, I'd rather talk about Mike Bell or Shef, or MArshall, or Watts.

[aces11]

oh come on guys, is it just me or are 80% of those catches routine for any NFL reciever! Did Ashley make the video himself? ha ha, that was a joke. I also noticed that Jake sucks throwing the long ball. hopefully he does much better this year at that.

[enjolras]

Its a highlight video.. everyone looks like Jerry Rice in a highlight video. Step up and do it every down.. Lelie never did.

That's the problem...I'm tired of hearing about potential. In the immortal words of Bill Parcells "Don't tell me about the pain, just show me the baby"

[2KBack]

oh come on guys, is it just me or are 80% of those catches routine for any NFL reciever! Did Ashley make the video himself? ha ha, that was a joke. I also noticed that Jake sucks throwing the long ball. hopefully he does much better this year at that.

I'm sure someone could put together a great video of jake throwing perfect bombs, still doesn't mean he's a good long ball QB. That's the way Highlights work, all good, none of the bad.

[Clockwork Orange]

That's the problem...I'm tired of hearing about potential. In the immortal words of Bill Parcells "Don't tell me about the pain, just show me the baby"

Parcells also had the quip, "Potential just means you're not very good right now."

[aces11]

that's what I'm saying, Ash's highlight reel was 80% routine catches!!!!

[freak6]

that's what I'm saying, Ash's highlight reel was 80% routine catches!!!!

lmao, did you see him get the feet down on the sideline. He should have had 3 more TDs at least last year (something everyone gripes about, that was JAKES FAULT, not Ashley's), he has incredible hands, and blocks well.

To bad his head isn't in the game, because he should be able to beat out our HOF WR Rod Smith imo.

[azbroncfan]

DId we ever figure the problem out??? Is it that Ashley is a one trick pony??? or is lelie the next TO but jake's noodle arm and poor accuracy 60% the cause of the problem???

[2KBack]

DId we ever figure the problem out??? Is it that Ashley is a one trick pony??? or is lelie the next TO but jake's noodle arm and poor accuracy 60% the cause of the problem???

There is no answer to this question, Jake haters blame jake, ash haters blame ash. The rest of us shake our head at a never ending argument.

[Dedhed]

that's what I'm saying, Ash's highlight reel was 80% routine catches!!!!
I disagree. I think that 90% of Ashley's catches are highlight reel material, which leads us to the problem. He doesn't make enough ordinary catches that pick up first downs and keep drives going. He's very similar to Tatum in that regard. It's all or nothing, and we've seen a lot of the nothing from Ashley. There's no consistency. Half of those highlights were from one game against the Raiders. If he was that guy every week we'd be getting a lot more calls about him, but the fact is we saw that guy only once out of 18 games last year. He had 1 TD catch in an entire year. That's the stat that blows my mind.

1 TD catch.

[Steve Sewell]

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

Couple of comments on the Tatum vid:

- Tatum Bell could be one of the fastest guys in the league. He has the rare ability to get from a cut to full speed like I have never seen before. He created a lot of separation with DB's chasing him...not to mention all of the LB's that he made look silly. I agree, I don't know how he's not our #1 guy.

- On that 50+ TD run vs the Eagles, did anyone notice how Lepsis was 20 yards down the field throwing the block on a DB that would have likely have made the stop? Dude is worth every penny we are paying him. There's not another LT in the league that can get down the field like that.

[Clockwork Orange]

I agree, I don't know how he's not our #1 guy.

I wasn't suggesting that Tatum should be the #1 RB, I was making a point about how anyone can look like an All-Pro in a highlight reel.

Tatum is looking up at Mike Bell on the depth chart because he's been outperformed by him thus far in camp. He's got plenty of time and will get plenty of chances to take the job. I'll give him credit for not having a tantrum and taking his ball and going home because the mean ol' coaches won't let him have his way.

[Steve Sewell]

I wasn't suggesting that Tatum should be the #1 RB, I was making a point about how anyone can look like an All-Pro in a highlight reel.

Tatum is looking up at Mike Bell on the depth chart because he's been outperformed by him thus far in camp. He's got plenty of time and will get plenty of chances to take the job. I'll give him credit for not having a tantrum and taking his ball and going home because the mean ol' coaches won't let him have his way.

I know you were CO, but looking at his highlight reel, he looks like an absolute superstar, and if he could just be a consistent player, he'd be our starter. So I guess my question "how isn't this guy our #1 RB" is more on Tatum than anything...

[freak6]

Not consistent enough. It took Portis a few seasons to realize that the big gains will come, but sometimes you have to lower your head and just take the 2 yard gain on first down rather than hesitate and get nothing.

[DomCasual]

On both videos, what came to mind is how Ian Gold has an uncanny ability to be isolated, jumping up and down on the sideline during big plays.

Coincidence? Or does Ian Gold have some sort of psychic ability, allowing him to sneak off by himself right before a big play?

Talk amongst yourselves.

[(Jae)]

On both videos, what came to mind is how Ian Gold has an uncanny ability to be isolated, jumping up and down on the sideline during big plays.

Coincidence? Or does Ian Gold have some sort of psychic ability, allowing him to sneak off by himself right before a big play?

Talk amongst yourselves.

LOL.........I saw that too in that vid.

[JCMElway]

I liked this Video myself. Broncs best hits in '05. Plenty of good stuff from the midget LB! Sorry SoCal.

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[Atlas]

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

Bell had a great year last year, and he'll be better this year. He just might not be an everydown back that doesn't mean he can't get 15 carries a game and a 1,000 yards next season.

Lelie is a good WR. He maybe, possibly, could be a great WR. Jake isn't the best QB for him but that doesn't mean he should tuck his tail between his legs and act like a p#ssy.

[Atlas]

Tatum is looking up at Mike Bell on the depth chart because he's been outperformed by him thus far in camp. He's got plenty of time and will get plenty of chances to take the job. I'll give him credit for not having a tantrum and taking his ball and going home because the mean ol' coaches won't let him have his way.

We'll see. I wouldn't be suprised to see Bell take care of this thing in preseason. There is a good chance that they'll both get about 15 carries a game this year.

[BABronco]

I liked this Video myself. Broncs best hits in '05. Plenty of good stuff from the midget LB! Sorry SoCal.

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Not much of a lelie fan ... but look close 39 seconds in

[youcandoit1687]

first on ashley, i have made my thots clear on a similar video in the VIDEO FORUM lol where i broke down all of the catches that could have been TDs. and as you see in this video, there are many times where a ball is inaccurate or he is just a step from a TD so dont be like bob and just see a stat and assume that is the whole story. yes yes i know, rod got his, why couldnt lelie...a couple of reasons:

sometimes its just the way the ball bounces
other times its just the way the defense lines up(blitz to lelies side, plummer cant see him, etc.)
rod is more savvy with how to use his end zone space, he finds openings that lelie, at this stage in his career, isnt as adept at finding

the other catch that was amazing was the one against the eagles(about 1:35 on the vid).

we all generalize that lelie is ONLY a deep threat. that is his specialty but he is also pretty good at running routes. a couple of times you see him break down and leave a corner either on the ground or quite some distance away. he takes advantage of his speed threat to scare corners off. as someone noted, he also blocks very well, specifically downfield, you see him a couple times making key blocks in the TATUM video, not his own highlight video. yes, it is a HIGHLIGHT video but you still see some of the catches that he made and some that should have been TDs. i guarantee if he makes 5 TD catches this year, the griping practically stops around here about his receiving skills, obviously not his antics.


as for tatum, nearly all of those runs were to the outside, i say we put tatum and mike in at the same time and use one as a decoy, i havent seen mike yet but im sure it would be effective in either drawing the defense in to cover mike or out to stop tatum. if tatum can get 5 yards past the LOS, he is likely gone. i think that is how we use tatum this year. i dont see him being a #1 unless he can have better vision and quicker cuts. haha and against the chiefs, faking the run and then pitching him for a naked sweep works great, you just see the DE saying oh s hit, i just forgot the first rule of being a DE because i dont know what containing the outside means, much less filling a gap.

[Great13]

Bell had a great year last year, and he'll be better this year. He just might not be an everydown back that doesn't mean he can't get 15 carries a game and a 1,000 yards next season.

Lelie is a good WR. He maybe, possibly, could be a great WR. Jake isn't the best QB for him but that doesn't mean he should tuck his tail between his legs and act like a p#ssy.


Great post.. top to bottom..period.

[Hulamau]

You know whats funny?

IN that video, I saw Ashley do everything this board criticizes him of being incapable of doing. Shallow slants acrosss the middle, hook routes, post routes, jumping up and fighting for the ball.

Man that bomb he caught at the 4 yrd line against Buffalo was simply amazing.

What a prick. I wish this a-hole would have just come to camp, been Ashley, and we would have had three sure handed guys on our team that all could be very dangerous.

DAMN.

Pisses me off the more I think about that a-hole.

Right on Alec ... there is no need to confuse being a moron with lack of talent!

Can you imagine if our starting line up next year was Walker, Lelie, Marshall and Scheffler with Cutler thowin' the rock ....? Just forget about it ... no defense in the league would stand a chance!

I just pray both Rod and Walker are fully ready to rumble at full strength THIS YEAR from 9/11 on through mid-Feb at the Pro Bowl ... after a Feb 4th visit to Miami!

MY only fear is that we could really miss Ash the first half of the season if either one of those guys isn't at full speed.

[SoCalBronco]

On both videos, what came to mind is how Ian Gold has an uncanny ability to be isolated, jumping up and down on the sideline during big plays.
.

I wanted to say something like "he does so well at cheerleading that they should give him a skirt" but I actually appreciate how he tries to rally the offense and everyone on the sideline. One of the very few things I will give him a compliment about.

[youcandoit1687]

yeah that hit video is pretty nice. there are some other ones if you just search denver broncos or denver broncos 2006. champs picks and a vid of each game come to mind. pretty exciting.

i laugh each time at ian gold. and he always does the same jump too. that might have been my first observation each time ive seen the videos

[DomCasual]

I wanted to say something like "he does so well at cheerleading that they should give him a skirt" but I actually appreciate how he tries to rally the offense and everyone on the sideline. One of the very few things I will give him a compliment about.
Very gracious of you! :)

[Man-Goblin]

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

I don't get the Tatum bashing. He's a good running back. One thing one does notice watching that video, though, is that he does dance quite a bit. When it works, you get what's on that video. When it doesn't, you get what's not on that video. Definitely not the downhill runner Shanny looks for.

[bpc]

Sad part is that Ash is a system player with very good skills. I would argue he has some of the best hands and athleticism in the league. He would be money with Jay Cutler at the helm, two years down the road. Unfortunately, we won't get to see that.

The best we can hope for now is that we package Ash to a NFC team far away from Denver and hope that he doesn't come back to bite us in the ass. After all this drama that has gone on, is there any bets that in FA that he doesn't head for SD, KC, Indy, NE, or Pittsburgh?

He went about this situation all the wrong way and I fault him for that. I don't fault him for the success that he has had thus far. Its simple that with other players at QB, he could a lot farther along than he is.

As for Tatum, he just doesn't have any insticts. Great talent, no instincts he'll be solid as long as he stays in the Denver. In any other location he likely is the next Trung Candidate.

[Popps]

Hey, who was that scrub QB who rolled out and threw a 40 yard strike right into Ashley's mitts?

Two things strike me when watching this video:

1. It's a shame Ashley's such a pussy, because he does have tons of talent.

2. Just how full of **** people are who say Jake can't throw the deep ball. The only ball I saw Lelie have to slow down for was one that Jake threw (literally) 60 yards.

Of course, Ashley and Jake have been the top QB/WR for long balls the past two season, so... never let the facts get in the way of a good message board argument.

Too bad Lelie can't work out. But, trust me... you guys won't even remember what he looks like when Walker takes over. I can't wait.

[Taco John]

that's what I'm saying, Ash's highlight reel was 80% routine catches!!!!



Not even. The guy had to compensate for so much Jake Plummer BS in that video that he should get an academy award for special effects.

[Taco John]

2. Just how full of **** people are who say Jake can't throw the deep ball. The only ball I saw Lelie have to slow down for was one that Jake threw (literally) 60 yards.



You should try watching it with your eyes open next time... ;)

[fontaine]

Not even. The guy had to compensate for so much Jake Plummer BS in that video that he should get an academy award for special effects.

What a novel concept. A WR adjusting to the pass! God forbid we ask our first round WR who wants to be #1 to adjust his route!

I mean, every other QB in the league throws 60 yard lazers right on the money every time yeah?

That's why it's called a high risk pass. But who cares that Lelie chokes in the red zone, can't get YAC, gets bullied off his routes. All the other stuff that makes WRs great doesn't matter because Jake can't throw a perfect 60 yard strike.

Hey maybe that's why no other team has offered anything more than a 2nd day pick for Lelie. Because all other GMs realize their QBs simply can't throw 60 yard pinpoint bombs and aren't good enough for Ashlie Lelie.

[Rock Chalk]

Not much of a lelie fan ... but look close 39 seconds in
Hahaha, Lelie layin wood.

[Popps]

You should try watching it with your eyes open next time... ;)

He certainly made some nice adjustments on off-target balls.

That's what good receivers do.

He also benefited from mostly very well thrown balls, including only one 60 yard bomb where he had to slow down... the rest right on target.

Eyes wide open. Of course, I have no agenda coloring my vision... so that helps.

[Taco John]

He certainly made some nice adjustments on off-target balls.

That's what good receivers do.



Yep.

[azbroncfan]

Not much of a lelie fan ... but look close 39 seconds in
Too bad the play didn't count, I think it was Lelie that was flagged a BS call.

[Crushaholic]

Lelie is a great ROLE player. Everytime he makes a spectacular long ball catch, it stretches the defense and we get some good runs in the next few plays. His job is/was to keep the defense honest. He's not going to do the things a #1 receiver does, which is catch the routine balls. That's my biggest problem with Lelie. He can't see how he IS helping the team, and that's very frustrating. I hope someone steps up and takes over his role, because he did a fantastic job at it...

[bombquixote]

No joke.

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After watching that, how is that guy not our #1 RB?

Oh, that's Bell's highlight reel? I thought it was the O-line's.

[ØrangeÇrush]

I never said the Chiefs were a lock for the division title. I said if they can "persuade" Roaf out of retirement (which I think they can), they would be a slight favorite over Denver and San Diego. Im not sure what is so unreasonable about that. If they can't, that will cost them 2 or 3 ballgames.

Herm Edwards clock mismanagment might cost them 2 or 3 games this year as well.

[kingpants]

You know who is the one player that looks good in both those videos...Ian Gold. Man does that guy get excited or what?