Al Davis compares Elway...to Jim Plunkett?

[DomCasual]

Seriously, is Al Davis completely senile? He obviously doesn't like John Elway much. In one interview, he basically claims (in so many words) that Jim Plunkett was as good as Elway, and that Rich Jackson was the best player the Broncos ever had (with all due respect to Rich Jackson, in Broncos history, there is Elway and there is everybody else).

From Jim Armstrong's column today:
Al Davis, making his case for Jim Plunkett in the Hall of Fame: "I do respect John Elway, but if Jim Plunkett had had the same start with an organization that was really a pretty good organization, he would have dominated. He has as good a record as Elway, he beat Elway head to head, and at Stanford he won the Rose Bowl."

And then, there is this from his last column, regarding Al Davis' comments about Rich "Tombstone" Jackson:
Davis, on Jackson, the one called Tombstone: "He's the best player they ever had."

[-Slap-]

He's still bitter because he didn't have the balls to pull the trigger and include Howie Long in the deal that would have brought Elway to the Raiders. A rather stupid move on his part since the Raiders had as much talent as anybody back in 1983. Some guys can never admit it when they choke. Not even 23 years later.

[Pendejo]

If Al Davis EVER shows up here on the orangemane...I'll negative rep his ass faster than you can say "Liver Spot!".

[Atlas]

Seriously, is Al Davis completely senile? He obviously doesn't like John Elway much. In one interview, he basically claims (in so many words) that Jim Plunkett was as good as Elway, and that Rich Jackson was the best player the Broncos ever had (with all due respect to Rich Jackson, in Broncos history, there is Elway and there is everybody else).

From Jim Armstrong's column today:


And then, there is this from his last column, regarding Al Davis' comments about Rich "Tombstone" Jackson:

What's really funny though is that him bringing down Elway he had to say that the Broncos had a good organization!! So he had to compliment Reeves/Shanny to make his point!! I bet that hurt him a little.

[Hogan11]

Al Davis? You mean people still care about what Al Davis says? ???

That guy is as irrelevant as the organization he owns.

[Northman]

I know it was a sad thing to do but i couldnt help but bust out laughing when i watched him at the HOF for Madden. When he started back to his seat with his walker i just lost it. lmao

[penguintheory]

Only similarity is alma mater.

[Kaylore]

Al has talked himself into believing that no one good has played on the Broncos since the seventies.

[Mile High Shack]

my question is
where the animitronic people are sitting so they won't be noticed?

[gunns]

What, is he trying to "clean up" for every bad decision he made, trying to make it look "not so bad"? This should be one hell of a house cleaning and obviously will be hilarious. Of course they weren't that bad Al and you had a reason for each one to "just win baby". :~ohyah!:

Jim Plunkett was a joke compared to Elway. Davis is such an entertaining little troll.

[Barry Ramey]

Hmm, what is Shanahan's record against the Raiders again? Pretty good considering not much talent according to old farty Davis. Nice talent you've been accumulating lately Al, LOL!!!

[GonzoLays]

Jim Plunkett for the hall of fame?

Jim Plunkett?

Is that right?

Is Al Davis trying to get Jim Plunkett in the hall of fame?

Who is trying to kid? That guy was atrocious. Even when he played for the Raiders he sucked. He was like the Trent Dilfer/Jake Plummer (Arizona days) of his generation. And unlike Jake, he never stopped sucking or getting injured -- EVER!

Al Davis wants Jim Plunkett in the hall of fame? That man really is senile.

[SJ Bronco]

Al has talked himself into believing that no one good has played on the Broncos since the seventies.

In his defense, that decade was the last one he can remember clearly.

Is it me, or does he resemble a scrotum these days...

[SJ Bronco]

I'd vote for Vince evans before I scratch a vote for JP for the hall. I swear, they'll let anyone be nominated these days....

[KipCorrington25]

Jim Plunkett was a capable QB for a few years there and played with a lot of guile and determination. Of all the former Raiders he is about the classiest of the group and really was too nice a guy for that organization. Having said all that should he be in the Hall of Fame, of course not.

[Tredici]

With all due respect, this is how players get consideration for the HOF. Their organizations start pimping them. I wish Denver would do it. A lot of the players haven't gotten consideration because the Broncos weren't consistently putting their names out in front of the league.

I don't think Plunkett comes close to being HOF material but at least he has his senile old owner baiting the hook. You never know but some of the dumb "sportswriters" out there will probably bite.

[DomCasual]

Some numbers for the immortal Jim Plunkett:

Total number of 3000-yard seasons: 0

TD-INTs for his career: 164-198

Career Completion %: 52.5%

Career Passing Yards: 25,882

The funny thing is that even for the Raiders, his performance was less than stellar. In five seasons, he averaged 1846 yards passing with 11 TDs and 11 INTs.

I started watching football about the middle of Plunkett's esteemed career, so I won't pretend to be an expert on the guy. But what I remember about him is that he wore a helmet that looked way too small for his head.

[SJ Bronco]

Jim Plunkett was a capable QB for a few years there and played with a lot of guile and determination. Of all the former Raiders he is about the classiest of the group and really was too nice a guy for that organization. Having said all that should he be in the Hall of Fame, of course not.


I'll agree with that. Here in the bayo hes a legend, more for his off field generosity more than his play. He seems like a great guy.

[DomCasual]

With all due respect, this is how players get consideration for the HOF. Their organizations start pimping them. I wish Denver would do it. A lot of the players haven't gotten consideration because the Broncos weren't consistently putting their names out in front of the league.

I don't think Plunkett comes close to being HOF material but at least he has his senile old owner baiting the hook. You never know but some of the dumb "sportswriters" out there will probably bite.
Very good point.

Compare the franchise histories. The Raiders have played in 5 Super Bowls to the Broncos 6. The Raiders have won 3 Super Bowls to the Broncos 2. The Raiders have won 12 AFC West championships to the Broncos 8. The Raiders have won 25 playoff games to the Broncos 17.

And the Raiders have 13 Hall of Famers to the Broncos 1.

That's a joke.

[DenverBrit]

We couldn't ask for a better Raiders' owner. :thumbsup:
We couldn't ask for a better Chiefs' GM :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work, Al & Carl. ;D

[ward63]

There are 3 guys in a league of their own I think...Elway, Montana, and Marino. Since we're on the topic of Elway, that's the only good reason we have the New York Yankees.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

We couldn't ask for a better Raiders' owner. :thumbsup:
We couldn't ask for a better Chiefs' GM :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work, Al & Carl. ;D

Exactly! What a moron. Comparing the best ever to a guy who wouldn't make most sane folks top 40 at the position.

[Orange_Beard]

Dumb $hit of the week.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Jim Plunkett was a capable QB for a few years there and played with a lot of guile and determination. Of all the former Raiders he is about the classiest of the group and really was too nice a guy for that organization. Having said all that should he be in the Hall of Fame, of course not.
Yep, he did have some good years along with some not so good ones.

----------------------------------------------------------Played quarterback for the National Football League's New England Patriots (1971-1975), San Francisco 49ers (1976-1977), and Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders (1979-1986).

Professional football player.

Led the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders to two Super Bowl Championships (1981, 1984).

In 15 year NFL career completed 1,943 of 3,701 passes (52.5%) for 25,882 yards and 164 touchdowns (67.5 rating). Also had 323 rushing attempts for 1,337 yards (4.1 yard average) and 14 touchdowns.

Currently appearing in commercials for the NFL Network for a fictitious show called "Space Raiders." Plunkett plays "Commander Heisman." He won the Heisman Trophy in 1970.

Ranks 43rd on NFL All-Time Passing Attempts List (3,701).

Ranks 50th on NFL All-Time Pass Completions List (1,943).

Ranks 45th on NFL All-Time Gross Yards Passing List (25,882).

Ranks 25th on NFL All-Time Passes Intercepted List (198).

Tied with Daryle Lamonica for 48th on NFL All-Time Passing Touchdowns List (164).

Ranks 7th on NFL All-Time Yards Lost List (3,279).
http://tinyurl.com/nm5jo

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There are 3 guys in a league of their own I think...Elway, Montana, and Marino. Since we're on the topic of Elway, that's the only good reason we have the New York Yankees.

I'd probably throw Steve Young in there too.

[ward63]

I'd probably throw Steve Young in there too.

True

[Tredici]

I would say Jim Plunkett defined the term journeyman QB for the Fade before Rich Gannon came along and re-defined the term journeyman QB for the Fade.

[24champ]

hey beerslug that has to be the best sig I have seen in a long time! rep.

[penguintheory]

Still can't believe Montana ended his career with the Chiefs.

[Atlas]

Ranks 7th on NFL All-Time Yards Lost List (3,279).
http://tinyurl.com/nm5jo

Awesome sig. I wanted to see Sammy Winder's Mississippi Mud Dance though!!!

[wabbit]

Poor Al...he probably thinks his 65 year-old-nurse is just nice to him to get his money.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Let's just get it started already, we need an AL DAVIS HAIKU THREAD - anyone?

[Dr.5280]

hey let me tell ya something. A$$ Al Davis is real cool. When I lived in El Segundo A$$ Al gave me free tickets that is till he found out I was a Bronco fan. Then he sent me a bill. Man I was the only Bronco fan in that town. After they beat us out of contention they went to Buffalo. I went to the local sports bar to watch their first play off game in like seven years. Buffalo creamed their ass in the snow. I got into two fights on the way home. Christ, I am still laughing about that.

[Orange4Life]

Still can't believe Montana ended his career with the Chiefs.
Wasn't he the last chiefs QB to win a playoff game?:wiggle:

[Vladimir]

I hate Al Davis :(

[penguintheory]

Let's just get it started already, we need an AL DAVIS HAIKU THREAD - anyone?

So old and senile
Just give up already and
Declare yourself Coach.

[Orange_Beard]

Who is more nuts, Al Davis or maurice clarett?

[sbchampbronx]

Originally posted by SJ Bronco
Is it me, or does he resemble a scrotum these days...


Yeah, i def have to agree w/ that...an old man's tooYikes!

[gunns]

Yep, he did have some good years along with some not so good ones.

----------------------------------------------------------Played quarterback for the National Football League's New England Patriots (1971-1975), San Francisco 49ers (1976-1977), and Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders (1979-1986).

Professional football player.

Led the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders to two Super Bowl Championships (1981, 1984).

In 15 year NFL career completed 1,943 of 3,701 passes (52.5%) for 25,882 yards and 164 touchdowns (67.5 rating). Also had 323 rushing attempts for 1,337 yards (4.1 yard average) and 14 touchdowns.

Currently appearing in commercials for the NFL Network for a fictitious show called "Space Raiders." Plunkett plays "Commander Heisman." He won the Heisman Trophy in 1970.

Ranks 43rd on NFL All-Time Passing Attempts List (3,701).

Ranks 50th on NFL All-Time Pass Completions List (1,943).

Ranks 45th on NFL All-Time Gross Yards Passing List (25,882).

Ranks 25th on NFL All-Time Passes Intercepted List (198).

Tied with Daryle Lamonica for 48th on NFL All-Time Passing Touchdowns List (164).

Ranks 7th on NFL All-Time Yards Lost List (3,279).
http://tinyurl.com/nm5jo

The only reason Plunkett has any of those stats is because he was in the league so long.

Al would have shown a little more credibility if he had said Ken Stabler, but he'd have still shown that he doesn't have a common sense brain cell left comparing any Raider QB to Elway. You blew it in 83 Al.

[Circle Orange]

I agree with Slap, Davis wanted John so bad he could taste it...the Raiders were the only team who ponied up ALL the draft picks Accorsi wanted. The Chargers were close too, but wouldn't give up a pick to keep Fouts (I think) the Cowboys were close! But they kept a somewhat well known Dallas defensive lineman. There's a Raider site where it's said Davis thinks it was a conspiracy by Rozelle and the league to keep Elway from the raiders (I think it's called 'the Greatness that is the Raiders' article. I'll look it up). Can you imagine John on that Raider team? That's why Rozelle was shaking in his boots. Plus, Accorsi said there was a lot of pressure on him to trade John to keep him in the NFL. Revisionist history, baby. It sucks!

BTW, Howie Long is the only raider I liked. Villanova guy, and never liked playing in L.A.! Being cute doesn't hurt either...

[gunns]

BTW, Howie Long is the only raider I liked.

I liked Howie also. Had a lot of respect for him, especially for the respect he showed Elway.

[SteveTensi13]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the guy. But what I remember about him is that he wore a helmet that looked way too small for his head.

I always thought the same thing! It looked like he needed a shoe horn to get that thing on/off.

I remember his running and throwing style was about the most awkward looking thing I've ever seen from a professional QB. Made Bernie Kosar look almost graceful in comparison.

[Circle Orange]

Who says old people can't do crack?

Why did he even throw John's name out there, unless he still has that 'loss' on his mind? Too bad, Al, too bad. John was not destined to be in silver and black, no matter how you still hope.


Now let it go, you wrinkled old fish.

[Circle Orange]

With all due respect, this is how players get consideration for the HOF. Their organizations start pimping them. I wish Denver would do it. A lot of the players haven't gotten consideration because the Broncos weren't consistently putting their names out in front of the league.

I don't think Plunkett comes close to being HOF material but at least he has his senile old owner baiting the hook. You never know but some of the dumb "sportswriters" out there will probably bite.


Like Peter King. He is such a tool. :bs:

[Circle Orange]

Poor Al...he probably thinks his 65 year-old-nurse is just nice to him to get his money.


Al dates jail bait?

[Rock Chalk]

Hmm, what is Shanahan's record against the Raiders again? Pretty good considering not much talent according to old farty Davis. Nice talent you've been accumulating lately Al, LOL!!!
Elway's record vrs the Raiders was below .500 I believe. Im like 90% certain of it in fact.

[Idaho_Bronco_Fan]

I missed the HOF ceremony, did ol' Al wear his ugly white raiders jogging suit with a tie??

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Elway's record vrs the Raiders was below .500 I believe. Im like 90% certain of it in fact.
Broncos were 13-17 '83 thru '98. I'm not sure if Elway played both games against them in the '83 losses.