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Atlas
08-04-2006, 07:23 PM
Pretty good little run down here.

A gambler's viewpoint of the upcoming season

By Hugo Guzman on July 28, 2006 04:35 AM
SoCals link: http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/07/nfl-gambling-odds280706.html

It's that time of year, folks. No, I'm not talking about training camp, which is already getting into full swing. I'm talking NFL gambling.

I'm going to start this year off by discussing the Super Bowl odds and over/unders for all 32 teams. I will list each team's odds of winning the Super Bowl (SB odds) and over/under total (O/U) alongside the team name. Keep in mind that if a team has decimal in their over/under (.5), it means there is no push:


Indianapolis Colts (SB Odds 7-2 | O/U 11.5)

Despite losing Edgerrin James, the Colts are poised to take the next step. I'm just not sure that next step involves winning the Super Bowl. Pass on that bet until Manning and Co. prove that they can successfully run the AFC postseason gauntlet. As for the over/under, 12 wins sounds like a sure thing for the NFL's best regular season team.

Seattle Seahawks (SB Odds 6-1 | O/U 10.5)

The Seahawks were a few bad calls and placekicker away from winning it all last year. Most of the '05 squad is back, so there is no reason to believe they can't make their way back to the big game, and win it this time around. Also, 11 wins seem very attainable since they play in one of the league's worst divisions.

New England Patriots (SB Odds 7-1 | O/U 10.5)

There are two reasons why the Patriots are given these lofty Super Bowl odds: Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Those are some pretty damn good reasons, but I still think that this team is past their prime. The AFC is just too tough, so pass on the Super Bowl bet and the over/under. If I had to pick from one of the two wagers, I would go with the over, since their division is still somewhat soft.

Carolina Panthers (SB Odds 8-1 | O/U 9.5)

The Panthers came close to making it to the big game last year, but I still think their odds of winning it this year are a bit high. That's only because they still have to contend with the Seahawks, the same team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year. Their over/under number is intriguing because while they are certainly capable of winning 10 or more games, the toughness of the Panthers' division could prevent them from doing so. If rookie DeAngelo Williams looks solid in the preseason, I would take that bet.

Pittsburgh Steelers (SB Odds 10-1 | O/U 10.5)

The Steelers will be hard-pressed to even return to the Super Bowl, much less win it. It's not so much because of their key losses on offense, but because the AFC is just so damn tough. I also don't like their over/under. It seems like oddsmakers were banking on a down year from Cincinnati when they came up with this number, but I think they are stretching a bit by expecting the Steelers to win 11 games.

Dallas Cowboys (SB Odds 10-1 | O/U 9.5)

Just look at what Terrell Owens can do for your Super Bowl odds! The Cowboys are a solid team, but I'm still not convinced that Drew Bledsoe and a sub-par running attack can get Parcells back to the promised land. That being said, 10-1 might be worth a shot, and I definitely think that despite playing in arguably the NFL's toughest division, the Cowboys should be able to pull of a 10-win season.

San Diego Chargers (SB Odds 12-1 | O/U 9)

Something smells fishy here. How does a team that failed to make the playoffs last year, lost their Pro Bowl-caliber starting quarterback and will field an extremely inexperienced new quarterback get such solid Super Bowl odds? I know they have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, but c'mon. As for winning more than nine games, they should manage that despite playing in an extremely tough division.

Denver Broncos (SB Odds 15-1 | O/U 10)

This looks like a steal of a deal. Getting 15-1 odds on a team that came very close to making it to the Super Bowl last year and has a very experienced defense is about as good as it gets. The loss of Mike Anderson will hurt a little bit, but not enough to prevent them from being a serious Super Bowl contender. Ironically enough, despite my optimism in terms of the Broncos' Super Bowl chances, I'm not sure that they will win 11 games.

New York Giants (SB Odds 15-1 | O/U 9.5)

Despite having loads of young talent, I think the Giants are still a year or two away from competing for a Super Bowl title. I also think that they will be hard-pressed to win 10 games in such a brutal division. I would stay away from the Giants on both bets.

Chicago Bears (SB Odds 15-1 | O/U 9)

If the Bears can even slightly improve on their atrocious offensive showing in 2005, they will be a serious Super Bowl contender. Therefore, I like those 15-1 odds. Also, I think their over/under number is arguably the best out there, because they play in what is probably the weakest division in football. They should easily get to the 10-win plateau. You can bet on that (pun intended).

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (SB Odds 15-1 | O/U 8.5)

The Buccaneers are in a position similar to the Giants. Plenty of young talent (and some great veteran leadership on defense to boot), but they are still a year or two away from contending for a Super Bowl, and by then, the defense might be in a rebuilding phase. The point being, I would not bet on them winning the Super Bowl this year. However, I do like their over/under. They are more than capable of reeling off nine wins.

Cincinnati Bengals (SB Odds 20-1 | O/U 9)

This is the first of several "gambler's" picks. If you believe that Carson Palmer will be healthy and return to form, by all means, bet on them to win the Super Bowl and notch more than nine regular season wins. That's a big "if", though. Hence, the catchy moniker.

Washington Redskins (SB Odds 20-1 | O/U 9)

A Hall of Fame coach with three rings, plenty of explosive offensive talent and arguably the best defense in football? That sounds like a Super Bowl recipe to me. The only major question mark is the age and durability of Mark Brunell, but Rich Gannon proved that an old journeyman QB can get your team to the big dance. I like those 20-1 odds. Getting to 10 wins shouldn't be too much of a problem, either, but then again, they do play in the NFC East.

Jacksonville Jaguars (SB Odds 25-1 | O/U 9.5)

They finally made it to the postseason last year, they will field a tremendous defensive unit and l love what Byron Leftwich brings to the table. Still, I think this team remains a year or two away from being a serious contender. On the flipside, there's no reason to believe they can't win 10 regular season games, especially since they play in a fairly weak division.

Kansas City Chiefs (Super Bowl Odds 25-1 | O/U 9.5)

This is another one of those "gambler's" picks. If you believe all the Larry Johnson hype and you think Ty Law is the missing piece in the Chiefs' defensive puzzle, then bet on them winning it all. The 25-1 payout makes it a worthwhile wager. The over/under is also an attractive offer. Kansas City is in a tough division, but the Chiefs' offensive firepower makes them a threat to win every time they step on the field.

Atlanta Falcons (Super Bowl Odds 25-1 | O/U 8)

Remember that the Falcons were knocking on the door for several seasons before suffering a setback in 2005. If they can get back into the postseason, Vick and company could prove to be a darkhorse contender. I also feel that seeing them win nine or more regular season games is very realistic.

Philadelphia Eagles (Super Bowl Odds 25-1 | O/U 8.5)

Just like the Falcons, the Eagles were also knocking on the door for several seasons, before suffering an injury- (and T.O.) induced setback. In fact, they were actually much closer to the promised land. That being said, I'm not sure Philly has the offensive firepower to be a contender, plus I don't think the team's unorthodox running attack (or lack thereof) will bode well for them. I would stay away from the Super Bowl prop, but consider putting a few bucks on that inordinately low over/under.

Miami Dolphins (Super Bowl Odds 30-1 | O/U 9)

Yet another "gambler's" pick. The Dolphins have a lot of potential, and that's the problem. If Culpepper can stay healthy, and if Brown can carry the load, and if the secondary can hold up, and so on and so forth...If you think the answer to these questions is "yes," then go ahead and place the Super Bowl bet. If not, then take a pass. I do see the Dolphins improving on their nine-win season from a year ago, so I would take the over.

Minnesota Vikings (Super Bowl Odds 30-1 | O/U 8.5)

Even most diehard Vikings fans would tell you that they are not a realistic Super Bowl contender. There's just not enough talent on both sides of the ball. That being said, they should win nine or more games in the regular season, so the over/under bet looks like a lock from where I'm sitting.

Green Bay Packers (Super Bowl Odds 35-1 | O/U 6)

How in the heck are the Packers given such relatively good odds to win it all? In a word, Favre. But even the eventual Hall of Famer will not be enough to get them anywhere close to a title in '06. They might, however, sneak seven or more wins, though, since they play in the NFC North.

Baltimore Ravens (Super Bowl Odds 40-1 | O/U 7.5)

This is the last team on the list that will garner Super Bowl consideration. The infusion of veteran quarterback Steve McNair, a rebound year for Jamal Lewis and an always-stout defense will still not be enough to get them there, but take the 40-1 if you're feeling lucky. As for winning eight games, that is a realistic scenario, so the over looks appealing.

Cleveland Browns (Super Bowl Odds 50-1 | O/U 6.5)

The Browns really started come around last year, and I think head coach Romeo Crennel has them poised to make a run at the playoffs. Even if that scenario doesn't become a reality, they should muster a seven-win season.

St. Louis Rams (Super Bowl Odds 50-1 | O/U 7)

Although they are not Super Bowl material just yet, the Rams are much better than last year's 6-10 record. The return of Marc Bulger should get them back to .500, which would be good enough to cover that relatively low over/under prop.

Buffalo Bills (Super Bowl Odds 60-1 | O/U 6.5)

The Buffalo Bills have to sort out their quarterback issues, but they still have a potentially elite running back in Willis McGahee and a respectable defense. And don't forget that Takeo Spikes returns after missing last year with an Achilles injury. Still, I think they'll be hard-pressed to win seven games.

Oakland Raiders (Super Bowl Odds 60-1 | O/U 6)

The offense is impressive, although Aaron Brooks can be shaky at times. The defense has some nice players, but it is still sub-par overall. Therefore, the Raiders should still be at the bottom of the AFC West barrel. That being said, they might find a way to win seven games.

Arizona Cardinals (Super Bowl Odds 60-1 | O/U 8.5)

The Cardinals made a big free agent splash during the offseason when they signed Edgerrin James. Unfortunately, due to issues on the offensive line and certain areas of the defense, that signing won't be enough to get them into the postseason. They do have a very potent offense, though, so the Cardinals will be capable of winning nine games, especially since they play in a relatively weak division.

Detroit Lions (Super Bowl Odds 60-1 | O/U 6.5)

You know what they say: if you have two quarterbacks fighting for the starting spot, then you really don't have a quarterback to begin with. Couple that with a rookie head coach and you have a recipe for disaster. Hopefully, Rod Marinelli's discipline and some solid young talent on defense will help the team stay near .500, but that being said, I just don't see them winning seven games in '06.

Houston Texans (Super Bowl Odds 80-1 | O/U 5.5)

Mario Williams should pay immediate dividends on defense and Andre Johnson should rebound from a putrid '05 campaign. Unfortunately, the offensive line continues to be a question mark, as does Domanick Davis' health. It could be another long season for David Carr and company. I don't see them winning six games.

New Orleans Saints (Super Bowl Odds 80-1 | O/U 7)

The Saints weren't as bad as their '05 record suggested. Remember that they were unable to play at home because of Hurricane Katrina, not to mention the fact that they actually played nine hostile road games due to the fiasco of a "home" game against the New York Giants . With the addition of Drew Brees and Reggie Bush, as well as the return of Deuce McAllister, this team could be primed for surprise playoff run. I like that over a lot.

San Francisco 49ers (Super Bowl Odds 100-1 | O/U 5)

The defense is gradually improving, so if Alex Smith can elevate his game to just a mediocre level (he was flat-out atrocious last year), this team will easily win six games. The addition of Antonio Bryant, Larry Allen, Vernon Davis, as well as the return of Eric Johnson, should go a long way in making that happen; therefore, I really like that over bet.

Tennessee Titans (Super Bowl Odds 125-1 | O/U 5.5)

The Titans have a lot of issues on both offense and defense, and while I like what Billy Volek brings to the table, I expect to see Vince Young take over by around Week 10. That changing of the guard at the quarterback position will likely ensure a top pick in next year's draft and less than six wins in '06.

New York Jets (Super Bowl Odds 200-1 | O/U 5.5)

This is my final "gambler's" pick. Why? Because if Chad Pennington is somehow healthy and back to his old self and if Curtis Martin has one more year left in him, this team will be much better than their '05 record suggests. Remember that the Jets already have a decent defense with some talent, so all they really need is an offensive rebound. If Pennington looks ready to go by Week One, jump on that over proposition.

Atlas
08-04-2006, 07:24 PM
I like his reasoning about the Jets. If they are 200-1 shots they could be a real steal.

MechanicalBull
08-04-2006, 07:27 PM
I'm kinda shocked that the jets are dead last over the 49ers.

Atlas
08-04-2006, 07:27 PM
Tough battle for starting FB spot.

This isn't really worth starting a thread over so I'll put it here.

SoCals link: http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=5451

Training camp fullback battle

There is quite a battle brewing at Denver Broncos training camp. Former CSU star Cecil Sapp is pushing last year's starter Kyle Johnson for the number one fullback job.

Sapp, now in his fourth year in Denver, says, "I'm competing for the number one starting job. That's what I've always wanted to do, just get an opportunity. Now my opportunity is here. So now I just have to go out there and take it and run with it."

Although an official depth chart has not been released most observers thought Sapp had passed Johnson for the top spot by the end of the last minicamp. Sapp, a former practice squad player for the Broncos, credits much of his success to his improved pass receiving skills. "Yeah I've been working on that," says Sapp. He adds, "You know I always had good hands. That's one thing the coaching staff loves about me, that I can catch the football."

Also in contention for the fullback job is little known Brandon Miree. Miree broke his thumb two years ago at training camp and is just now getting back into the swing of things.

The fullback battle likely won't be decided until after a few preseason games. The Broncos open the preseason Friday, August 11 in Detroit

Bronco Billy
08-04-2006, 07:34 PM
The Broncos were 20 -1 last year when they had a questionable RB situation and people were wondering if Jake was a mistake.

The Broncos 11 wins (actually 12)

@ Rams
KC
Baltimore
Oakland
@ Cleveland
@ Oakland
San Diego
Seattle
@ San Diego
@ Arizona
Cincinnati
San Francisco

Hercules Rockefeller
08-04-2006, 07:43 PM
San Diego Chargers (SB Odds 12-1 | O/U 9)

Something smells fishy here. How does a team that failed to make the playoffs last year, lost their Pro Bowl-caliber starting quarterback and will field an extremely inexperienced new quarterback get such solid Super Bowl odds? I know they have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, but c'mon. As for winning more than nine games, they should manage that despite playing in an extremely tough division.


Sucker bet

Atlas
08-04-2006, 08:31 PM
Sucker bet

I agree. There is no way they should be favored over the Broncos or the Cheeps,

youcandoit1687
08-04-2006, 08:37 PM
id say the safest bets on that list are the falcons and bears for over. falcons should rebound but the thing to be worried about is the division and we all know about the bears division. i see the jets being in a lot of games and losing a lot of games

Arkie
08-04-2006, 08:43 PM
I like these odds the best.

Denver Broncos 15-1
Washington Redskins 20-1

DarkHorse30
08-04-2006, 09:37 PM
it's hysterical to me that the writers are discounting James' effect on his team. Let's get real, the guy MADE Manning a good QB. The main reason Indy lost their game against the Steelers is that they forgot about James......while thinking that Peyton could pass them to greatness. Dead wrong.

James is/was the best player on Indy's squad. I'll be surprised if they make the playoffs next year.

watermock
08-04-2006, 10:11 PM
Those lines just prove there's a sucker born every minute. I agree that 7-2 odds on Indy ludicrous. San Diego gets better odds than Denver with essentially a rookie QB? (Altho I like River's accuracy, his delivery is going to get balls knocked down if he doesn't get a passing lane. Cutler has a true over the top delivery.

I guessed 10-1 out of disrespect, but 15-1 is stealing. So is Washington at 20-1. The Cowboys getting stronger odds than Denver is also abusurd. That's ok...there is an opening line that gets adjusted on how the fans bet so we shouldn't be surprised that Texans took off their manure boots and parked the smelly pickup and got into the Caddilac to lay down like fainting goats in Vegas.

gunns
08-04-2006, 10:36 PM
I like these odds the best.

Denver Broncos 15-1
Washington Redskins 20-1

I don't know, I'm superstitious. It'll be 10 years this season since Brunell and the Jags shocked the hell out of the Broncos in the playoffs. I don't know if I want anything to do with Brunell this year. Of course payback could be a b..... for Brunell.

watermock
08-04-2006, 10:42 PM
Some people have picked Denver/Washington. I don't want to meet Clinton in the SB. He might have "issues" to settle. The thing about the NFC east is they are all so evenly matched they are likely to beat themselves into a pulp fighting each other.

Bronco Billy
08-04-2006, 11:39 PM
I don't know, I'm superstitious. It'll be 10 years this season since Brunell and the Jags shocked the hell out of the Broncos in the playoffs. I don't know if I want anything to do with Brunell this year. Of course payback could be a b..... for Brunell.

Thanks for reminding me of the worst day of my life! :(

Mr Chatterboodamn
08-05-2006, 05:10 AM
The odds posted here are odd indeed... I've looked all around before this (read Gaming Today on the can) and those are pretty wacked out

http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp?lindex=14

broncoblue
08-05-2006, 07:37 AM
uk odds care of blue square
perbowl XLI

Indianapolis Colts 13/2 BET Chicago Bears 20/1 BET Oakland Raiders 66/1 BET
New England Patriots 9/1 BET Washington Redskins 20/1 BET St Louis Rams 66/1 BET
Pittsburgh Steelers 10/1 BET Atlanta Falcons 25/1 BET New Orleans Saints 66/1 BET
Seattle Seahawks 12/1 BET Philadelphia Eagles 25/1 BET Cleveland Browns 80/1 BET
Carolina Panthers 12/1 BET New York Giants 25/1 BET Buffalo Bills 80/1 BET
Denver Broncos 14/1 BET Jacksonville Jaguars 25/1 BET Houston Texans 100/1 BET
Miami Dolphins 16/1 BET Tampa Bay Buccaneers 28/1 BET Detroit Lions 100/1 BET
Dallas Cowboys 16/1 BET Baltimore Ravens 33/1 BET Tennessee Titans 100/1 BET
Cincinnati Bengals 20/1 BET Minnesota Vikings 33/1 BET New York Jets 100/1 BET
San Diego Chargers 20/1 BET Arizona Cardinals 40/1 BET San Francisco 49ers 150/1 BET
Kansas City Chiefs 20/1 BET Green Bay Packers 66/1 BET

Each-way bets on 2 places at 1/2 odds

broncoblue
08-05-2006, 07:39 AM
also other bets..
Arizona Cardinals

Under 8 8/11 BET
Over 8 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Atlanta Falcons

Under 8.5 8/11 BET
Over 8.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Baltimore Ravens

Under 8.5 4/5 BET
Over 8.5 10/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Buffalo Bills

Under 6.5 8/11 BET
Over 6.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Carolina Panthers

Under 10 5/6 BET
Over 10 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Chicago Bears

Under 9.5 4/5 BET
Over 9.5 10/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Cincinnati Bengals

Under 8.5 evens BET
Over 8.5 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Cleveland Browns

Under 6.5 11/10 BET
Over 6.5 4/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Dallas Cowboys

Under 9.5 evens BET
Over 9.5 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Denver Broncos

Under 10 5/6 BET
Over 10 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Detroit Lions

Under 6.5 11/10 BET
Over 6.5 4/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Green Bay Packers

Under 6.5 5/6 BET
Over 6.5 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Houston Texans

Under 5.5 evens BET
Over 5.5 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Indianapolis Colts

Under 11.5 8/11 BET
Over 11.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Jacksonville Jaguars

Under 9 5/6 BET
Over 9 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Kansas City Chiefs

Under 9.5 4/5 BET
Over 9.5 10/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Miami Dolphins

Under 9 evens BET
Over 9 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Minnesota Vikings

Under 8 5/6 BET
Over 8 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



New England Patriots

Under 10.5 8/11 BET
Over 10.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



New Orleans Saints

Under 6.5 5/6 BET
Over 6.5 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



New York Giants

Under 8.5 5/6 BET
Over 8.5 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



New York Jets

Under 6 5/6 BET
Over 6 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Oakland Raiders

Under 6 evens BET
Over 6 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Philadelphia Eagles

Under 8.5 10/11 BET
Over 8.5 4/5 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Pittsburgh Steelers

Under 10 evens BET
Over 10 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



St Louis Rams

Under 7 5/6 BET
Over 7 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



San Francisco 49ers

Under 5 5/6 BET
Over 5 5/6 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Seattle Seahawks

Under 10.5 8/11 BET
Over 10.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Under 8 8/11 BET
Over 8 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Tennessee Titans

Under 5 evens BET
Over 5 8/11 BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



Washington Redskins

Under 9.5 8/11 BET
Over 9.5 evens BET

10th of September 2006 6:00pm



San Diego Chargers

Under 8.5 5/6 BET
Over 8.5 5/6 BET

12th of September 2006 3:15am

Bronco_Beerslug
08-05-2006, 07:43 AM
I like these odds the best.

Denver Broncos 15-1
Washington Redskins 20-1
Here's a good site that list about 25 different online books with all the odds.

http://tinyurl.com/jsxyd

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