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Sarcastro
10-31-2006, 03:28 PM
Wont matter where you send it. He will just start up 10 more in its place.

Florida Bronco is such a troll :thumbs:

Northman
10-31-2006, 03:30 PM
Florida Bronco is such a troll :thumbs:



Nah, didnt even realize that FB started it. It makes no difference, if he didnt start one you know Boob would.

Sarcastro
10-31-2006, 03:35 PM
Nah, didnt even realize that FB started it. It makes no difference, if he didnt start one you know Boob would.

Anubis backs away very slowly.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-31-2006, 03:37 PM
Nah, didnt even realize that FB started it. It makes no difference, if he didnt start one you know Boob would.

I am just itching to start threads about how Larry is not the real deal.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-31-2006, 03:38 PM
I've had more than a few people agree with me, very knowledgeable people at that.

That's the ticket. The people that don't agree with you are STUPID.

Northman
10-31-2006, 03:40 PM
I am just itching to start threads about how Larry is not the real deal.

Reading issues Boob? The thread Reads " Larry Johnson, the Real Deal or NOT? " which means its totally up for discussion one way or the other.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-31-2006, 03:42 PM
I don't need validation from Broncos fans where Larry Johnson is concerned.

Northman
10-31-2006, 03:44 PM
I don't need validation from Broncos fans where Larry Johnson is concerned.

Oh really? You sure spend a lot of time here then for someone who doesnt care about what we think.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-31-2006, 03:51 PM
Oh really? You sure spend a lot of time here then for someone who doesnt care about what we think.

Where is Larry is concerned, I don't. There are other areas where I require your stamp of approval, however. This place is invaluable in seeking out non-biased evaluations of the Chiefs and their players.

Florida_Bronco
10-31-2006, 04:14 PM
Oh really? You sure spend a lot of time here then for someone who doesnt care about what we think.

Kinda what I thought.

Steve Sewell
10-31-2006, 05:23 PM
I've had more than a few people agree with me, very knowledgeable people at that.

Florida...didn't you know that Bob's knowledge is unparalleled when it comes to football? I mean, he even said himself that he knows some ex-HS football players, and they said that his football knowledge puts them to shame, don't you remember that? Have some respect!

ScotchTanShan
10-31-2006, 05:32 PM
This still doesn't detract from the fact that this thread was started by a Donks fan. Why wouldn't a Chiefs fan weigh in on a player from his team? But, to top it off- you have a RB leading the league in yards from scrimmage and 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards, that was named AFC Offensive player of the week. This doesn't even begin to actually discuss his on the field contribution both in what he produces but also in how he forces defenses to scheme in order to prevent him from busting loose. You really have to be a huge idiot to not think this guy is top notch. Hell, some very knowledgable fans on here even agreed with me and said they would love to see LJ playing for the donks....

The thread would have died if FL didn't keep coming back with obtuse responses that totally discount LJ's contribution and talent.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-31-2006, 06:02 PM
The great thing is that we get 8 more weeks of this, and probably more (dare I dream?).

I wonder if Florida Dumbass will admit he's wrong once LJ's YPC rises?

youcandoit1687
10-31-2006, 08:29 PM
This still doesn't detract from the fact that this thread was started by a Donks fan. Why wouldn't a Chiefs fan weigh in on a player from his team? But, to top it off- you have a RB leading the league in yards from scrimmage and 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards, that was named AFC Offensive player of the week. This doesn't even begin to actually discuss his on the field contribution both in what he produces but also in how he forces defenses to scheme in order to prevent him from busting loose. You really have to be a huge idiot to not think this guy is top notch. Hell, some very knowledgable fans on here even agreed with me and said they would love to see LJ playing for the donks....

The thread would have died if FL didn't keep coming back with obtuse responses that totally discount LJ's contribution and talent.


well its been a while since this thread was had full steam but i think the point that florida, myself, and others(here comes bob telling us how we are all idiots for no apparent reason) were making was that LJ had a great season last year but that there were a lot of advantages he had last year that he wouldnt have this year. we told him that any RB losing his starting tackles for a guy who had tried TE and another scrub, one of the leagues best FBs for some guy named ronnie cruz, and an offensive coordinator who is widely viewed as one of the best in the business is bound to have trouble regaining his previous form. in the first half of the season LJ sure hasnt put up 1500 yards like he did last year and all his numbers are down. exactly our point. we never said that he wasnt one of the better backs in the league but to place him in the HOF after just one season was too much and that was the point that we made basically

Dr.5280
10-31-2006, 08:48 PM
And that last comment just about wraps it up.

ScotchTanShan
11-01-2006, 01:17 AM
The ? wasn't if he was HOF it was if he was the real deal... and in spite of all he has lost he still is racking up yards and numbers. In fact, the loss of so many things is only an asset to his talent and proves that he is.

If the thread were, will LJ's number go down b/c he doesn't have the same cast and O-cord, then, yeah, I'd say sure, but the ? was is he the real deal. But dingle berries need cohorts and you just decided to latch on, maybe?

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 05:07 AM
The great thing is that we get 8 more weeks of this, and probably more (dare I dream?).

I wonder if Florida Dumbass will admit he's wrong if LJ's YPC rises?

First off, I fixed your post.

I've said from the start that if LJ puts up rushing numbers like last year that I would eat my crow at the end of the season. Right now though, it seems that YOU will be the one eating crow.

Youcandoit1687 - Good post, you pretty much hit the nail on the end. When you come in fresh in the 2nd half of a season with an offense that talented and run wild on some of the worst run defenses in the NFL, it'll make you look alot better than you are.

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 05:09 AM
The thread would have died if FL didn't keep coming back with obtuse responses that totally discount LJ's contribution and talent.

You do realize that I did not bump this thread...right?

kmartin575
11-01-2006, 12:06 PM
Why do you keep bringing T. Bell into this? We're talking about LJ.

And Bob...3.7 YPC is damn poor.

Who cares. Two years ago Ladainian Tomlinson finished the season with a 3.8 ypc. I seriously doubt anybody said he sucks.

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 12:12 PM
Who cares. Two years ago Ladainian Tomlinson finished the season with a 3.8 ypc. I seriously doubt anybody said he sucks.

Under 3.7 or 3.8 yards a carry is poor, I don't care who it is.

Bronco_Beerslug
11-01-2006, 12:52 PM
Under 3.7 or 3.8 yards a carry is poor, I don't care who it is.

Not if they're rushing 40 times a game and scoring 4 TDs a game.

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Not if they're rushing 40 times a game and scoring 4 TDs a game.

I disagree.

KCGridironBeast
11-01-2006, 02:06 PM
I disagree.

Which is why you're wrong. If a player rushes 40 times a game and still averages 3.8 yards per carry, that's impressive for two reasons. First, it means that he has the toughness to take the rock 40 times and receive a beating for it and still gain the necessary yards. Second, if a guy is taking the ball 40 times, it is probably pretty obvious to the defense what the offense is planning on doing, so it is easy for them to load up the box with eight or nine defenders, which makes it much more difficult to find running room.

Also, the fact that you consider a line of 39 rushes, 155 yards, and 3 rushing touchdowns to be "poor" solely because the rushing average is 3.97 ypc is hilarious. Flat out hilarious.

Circle Orange
11-01-2006, 03:08 PM
I think LJ is the real deal, but I also still maintain KC's offense is more one dimensional with him in there vs Priest Holmes. Whether PH returns or not is up in the air, but KC consistently scored 30 or more points with him in the lineup. With LJ the average is more around 20. He doesn't give the versatility of a Priest Holmes, but his particular skill set is very good.

And he has pretty legs. That always counts for something in a running back.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-01-2006, 03:24 PM
KC consistently scored 30 or more points with him in the lineup. With LJ the average is more around 20. He

If you think that's because of Priest, you're wrong. It has everything to do with the offensive line and loss of our quarterback. When Larry took over last year our average ppg didn't suffer.

youcandoit1687
11-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Not if they're rushing 40 times a game and scoring 4 TDs a game.

jerome bettis...5 carries, 1 yard, 3 touchdowns. first game of the '04 season against the raiders. and please, show me more than 5 times that someone has run 40 times for 4 TDs. heck, show me three, and dont come at me with some tommy frazier or some college option crap like that. NFL

ZachKC
11-01-2006, 08:42 PM
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Q: How does your body feel after getting 39 carries last Sunday?

JOHNSON: “My body feels fine. I don’t get hit, I give hits. That’s the difference that people don’t understand. This is what we do. This is what Big Ten backs and Penn State backs do. We are not quick and slashing-type guys that run out of bounds. That’s not how my body was conditioned. My body was conditioned to take blows. When people ask, ‘Are you sore?’ I’m not really sore. I practiced today and I had fun jumping around. My body wasn’t aching and I had fun.”

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 08:45 PM
I disagree.

Which is why you're wrong. If a player rushes 40 times a game and still averages 3.8 yards per carry, that's impressive for two reasons. First, it means that he has the toughness to take the rock 40 times and receive a beating for it and still gain the necessary yards. Second, if a guy is taking the ball 40 times, it is probably pretty obvious to the defense what the offense is planning on doing, so it is easy for them to load up the box with eight or nine defenders, which makes it much more difficult to find running room.

Also, the fact that you consider a line of 39 rushes, 155 yards, and 3 rushing touchdowns to be "poor" solely because the rushing average is 3.97 ypc is hilarious. Flat out hilarious.

You make some good points, and of course you must take numbers of carries into consideration, but I still argue that 3.7 yards per carry (LJ's season average) is just flat out bad, especially when he had high carry games last year and much higher YPC in said games. Again, I'm not saying LJ is bad, but it's pretty obvious statistically and by watching his play that he's not the same running back that took the NFL by storm the last half of 2005.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-01-2006, 08:46 PM
he's not the same running back that took the NFL by storm the last half of 2005.

Looks the same to me, especially the last two weeks. Your bias is unbelievable.

Florida_Bronco
11-01-2006, 08:54 PM
Looks the same to me, especially the last two weeks. Your bias is unbelievable.

Or how about that game against the Cardinals 22nd ranked run defense? That looked like the real LJ too. :rofl:

KCGridironBeast
11-02-2006, 09:51 AM
Again, I'm not saying LJ is bad, but it's pretty obvious statistically and by watching his play that he's not the same running back that took the NFL by storm the last half of 2005.

First off, it does sound like you're saying LJ is bad when you repeatedly throw around the word "poor" in regards to his yards per carry, which is apparently the standard by which you judge all running backs. Second, I'm not going to disagree with the second part of your statement, but I also think it's a little unfair to judge a guy against his 2005 season (or half-season, call it what you want) in which he was on an NFL record-setting pace had he started all 16 games. He's obviously not keeping up with that pace anymore, but I'm not going to hold that against him because it would be impossible to do, especially now that he is the biggest weapon by far in the Chiefs offense and every single week the defenses are gameplanning to stop him.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-05-2006, 02:40 PM
Well. Larry is really making Florida Dumbass look stupid by the week.

172 yards today.

816 yards on the season and now that yards per carry is up to a healthy 4.1.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Here's some more food for though, FB:

Larry Johnson's 1-yard touchdown run Sunday gave him 30 rushing touchdowns and 34 total touchdowns in the first 20 starts of his career, the most by any player in his first 20 starts in NFL history.

Sarcastro
11-06-2006, 12:40 AM
Well. Larry is really making Florida Dumbass look stupid by the week.

172 yards today.

816 yards on the season and now that yards per carry is up to a healthy 4.1.

Yeah, but behind Black, Bober, and Turley anyone could do that.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-06-2006, 02:29 PM
Come on, Florida. We're waiting.

ScotchTanShan
11-06-2006, 02:31 PM
Bob, now you're just trolling. The silence of reponse is all the gloating you should need. Let the topic die. Its not like more than a handful of tards debated this. Some of them- simply to disagree with you. Others, just lost in their football accumen.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-06-2006, 02:38 PM
Let the topic die.

You kidding me? We've got eight more weeks.

ZachKC
11-06-2006, 05:51 PM
Bwahaha

Bronco_Beerslug
11-06-2006, 06:33 PM
jerome bettis...5 carries, 1 yard, 3 touchdowns. first game of the '04 season against the raiders. and please, show me more than 5 times that someone has run 40 times for 4 TDs. heck, show me three, and dont come at me with some tommy frazier or some college option crap like that. NFLIs this drivel suppose to have something to do with the best back in the league?

azbroncfan
11-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Anyone arguing that LJ isn't a good RB only looks at espn.com at stats and doesn't watch him play. Booob he is a good back but you will get alot of he's overrated because rival fans don't want to give credit, same way you do about bronco players. I believe you used to say how overrated Bailey was and he wasn't very good.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-20-2006, 12:29 AM
Best game of Larry Johnson's career today. 154 yards and two scores against a very tough Raider D.

Another note: LARRY JOHNSON NOW LEADS THE NFL IN RUSHING.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-20-2006, 12:49 AM
LJ's YPC at 4.2 now. 14 total touchdowns. STUD.

Florida_Bronco
11-20-2006, 08:14 AM
Best game of Larry Johnson's career today. 154 yards and two scores against a very tough Raider D.

Another note: LARRY JOHNSON NOW LEADS THE NFL IN RUSHING.

Hey Bob, how come you didn't bump this thread after that game against Miami?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-20-2006, 10:24 AM
Eh...why didn't you bump this thread after the previous week? Eat me. LJ is making you look stupid. He's on pace for almost 1700 yards right now.

Florida_Bronco
11-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Eh...why didn't you bump this thread after the previous week? Eat me. LJ is making you look stupid. He's on pace for almost 1700 yards right now.

I haven't bumped the thread since it died down in the offseason, I didn't feel the need to be a glory hunter and bump it when LJ was getting shut down earlier in the season.

My plan all along was to wait until the end of the season and then bump it to either show off my awesome prediction or eat my crow.

ZachKC
11-20-2006, 04:30 PM
I haven't bumped the thread since it died down in the offseason, I didn't feel the need to be a glory hunter and bump it when LJ was getting shut down earlier in the season.

My plan all along was to wait until the end of the season and then bump it to either show off my awesome prediction or eat my crow.

You were very engaged in the thread until...well you know...

Everything you were arguing for fell to pieces.

Bronco_Beerslug
11-20-2006, 04:53 PM
You were very engaged in the thread until...well you know...

Everything you were arguing for fell to pieces.
Well, I was wrong, LJ isn't the best back in the league, LT is but they're both in a league of their own.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-22-2006, 08:37 PM
The late Bo Schembechler would have loved the Kansas City Chiefs’ first drive against the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.

The drive lasted 11 plays, and the Chiefs ran on 10 of them, marching 76 yards for a touchdown. The Chiefs did nothing fancy, nothing surprising, just a whole lot of handoffs to running back Larry Johnson, who showed again in the Chiefs’ 17-13 victory that he’s one of the best runners in football. The 11 plays on the drive looked like this:

1. First-and-10: Kansas City lined up in a three-receiver formation, with Johnson as the only back behind quarterback Trent Green. Johnson took the handoff around the right end for a gain of four yards.
2. Second-and-6: Kansas City lined up with four receivers, a personnel package that prevented the Raiders from keeping eight defenders in the box. Johnson ran to his left for four yards.
3. Third-and-2: In a three-receiver formation, Eddie Kennison went in motion to the left and threw the key block on defensive end Lance Johnstone, diving at Johnstone’s legs to slow him down just long enough for Johnson to run past him for a gain of three.
4. First-and-10: The only pass of the drive. It wasn’t much of a pass at all, as Green tossed the ball to receiver Dante Hall behind the line of scrimmage. Hall sidestepped one defender and picked up three yards before Oakland’s Stuart Schweigert tackled him.
5. Second-and-7: Fullback Kris Wilson lined up in front of Johnson, marking the first time Johnson had a lead blocker. Johnson followed Wilson up the middle for a gain of five.
6. Third-and-2: Right tackle Kyle Turley pulled to the left and wham-blocked Oakland defensive tackle Warren Sapp, creating the seal that opened up the middle of the line. Johnson ran through the hole for a gain of nine.
7. First-and-10: Johnson went out for a play, and the Chiefs lined up in an unbalanced line, with an extra lineman to the right. Perhaps thinking Kansas City wouldn’t run with Johnson on the sidelines, the Raiders didn’t adjust their defense to that run-heavy formation, instead keeping the linebackers and defensive backs deep in coverage. With guard Chris Bober getting the key block, Michael Bennett took the simple handoff over the right tackle and gained 20 yards practically untouched.
8. First-and-10: Kansas City ran the standard I-formation isolation play. Wilson had a tremendous block on Oakland linebacker Thomas Howard, and Johnson broke Schweigert’s tackle for a gain of 18.
9. First-and-10: By this point, the Raiders knew the handoff to Johnson was coming, and rookie defensive back Michael Huff lined up close to the line, playing linebacker in a 4-4 defensive alignment. It worked for Oakland; Huff (an outstanding young player) tackled Johnson after a gain of just three.
10. Second-and-7: Johnson took a handoff up the middle, and the Chiefs left Raiders defensive end Derrick Burgess unblocked, thinking a defensive end couldn’t get to the middle in time to make the play. That was a mistake; Burgess showed that he’s one of the quickest defensive linemen in the league, getting into the middle of the line quickly enough to trip Johnson up for a gain of just two.
11. Third-and-5: For just about any other team, this would have been a passing down. But the Chiefs knew what they wanted to do and weren’t going to be dissuaded. Tight end Jason Dunn lined up on the right and blocked Burgess, Wilson went in motion to the right and destroyed cornerback Fabian Washington, and Johnson ran behind them around the right end for a five-yard touchdown.

As my colleague Mike Tanier recently noted, the average gain on a running play in the NFL is about four yards, but a few very long runs — 50, 60, 70 yards or more — skew that average. On Sunday Johnson ran 31 times for 154 yards, averaging five yards a carry, even though his longest run was that 18 yarder on the eighth play of the opening drive. The median carry in the NFL is three yards, and the mode, or most common result, is two yards. On Sunday Johnson’s median run was four yards and his mode was five yards. Churning out that kind of yardage consistently is the way to win with a run-oriented offense. (For comparison’s sake, consider the game earlier this season in which Chester Taylor of the Minnesota Vikings had 26 carries for 169 yards against the Seattle Seahawks. By conventional stats, that looks like a better game than Johnson had against Oakland, but 22 of Taylor’s 26 runs went for four or fewer yards, and not a single one of those 22 runs picked up a first down.)

You might be thinking that Johnson’s big day was in large part because he was playing against Oakland. But it’s important to remember that the popular perception of Oakland as a terrible team is incorrect. Oakland is a terrible offense, but Oakland’s defense is good. You might also be thinking that Johnson runs behind a great offensive line in Kansas City. A few years ago, the Chiefs had the best offensive line in football, but that line doesn’t exist anymore. The best player on that line, left tackle Wille Roaf, is retired, and the next-best player, guard Brian Waters, missed Sunday’s game. Center Casey Wiegmann is 33 years old and nowhere near the player he was in his 20s. Guard Will Shields is two years older than Wiegmann. There’s a reason Priest Holmes couldn’t even average four yards a carry last year.

The weaknesses of the Chiefs’ offensive line were glaring on a second-and-2 in the second quarter, when Johnson was stuffed at the line of scrimmage for no gain. Three Oakland players — Huff, Howard, and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly — converged on Johnson at the line of scrimmage. Johnson can break tackles, but no running back would have picked up any yardage with three players hitting him like that before he could get to the line.

After all that straight-ahead running on the first drive, Kansas City offensive coordinator Mike Solari did get a little bit fancy. On the first play of the second drive, a fake end-around caused Oakland defensive end Tyler Brayton to take a step in the wrong direction, and that one step opened up just enough space for Johnson to take the handoff and get through the line for a gain of five yards. All-Pro tight end Tony Gonzalez missed Sunday’s game, and although Green seemed to miss him in the passing game, Solari made up for his absence by using Wilson and Jason Dunn in two-tight end formations. Both Wilson and Dunn are superior blockers to Gonzalez.

On second-and-5 on the first play of the second quarter, Turley lined up as an eligible receiver as Solari called for the increasingly popular six-lineman formation. However, the six-lineman formation often tells the defense exactly what the offense wants to do, and in this case it caused the Raiders to put eight in the box and sell out to stop the run. Johnson couldn’t find much room, but he made the best of the situation, pushing forward in the pile for a gain of three.

Being strong enough to push a pile is important, but Johnson’s greatest strength is the way he accelerates through the smallest of holes. On a first-and-10 in the third quarter, Johnson ran over the left tackle. The hole was tiny — six Raiders were in the vicinity — but he managed to make himself skinny enough to squeeze through and pick up 17 yards. Two plays later, Johnson gained 17 yards again. That time he got a nice block from Turley, who lined up at right tackle, pulled all the way across the field and kicked out Howard. After watching Sunday’s game, I came away much more impressed with Turley than I had been previously this season. Although he’s much smaller than he was in New Orleans and struggles against bigger linemen, he’s very quick.

I also liked what I saw of Bennett, who spelled Johnson effectively. Johnson already has 248 carries in 10 games this season, and that kind of workload is almost impossible for a running back to keep up. If the Chiefs run Johnson more than 400 times — and he’s on pace for 397 carries — they will destroy their best asset for years to come. Bennett can be a nice change of pace for Johnson because in terms of straight line speed, he is probably the fastest running back in the NFL. He has never shown the necessary ability to break tackles to become an elite runner, but if teams keep playing pass when Johnson leaves the field, expect Bennett to break a lot of long runs.

Kansas City has played 19 games since Johnson took over the starting running back job. In those 19 games, Johnson has 2,396 rushing yards. Many people were skeptical of Johnson early in his career (including his first coach, Dick Vermeil, who famously said he needed to “take the diapers off”), but everyone now acknowledges that he’s one of the game’s elite players. There is, however, one lasting criticism. Last season Johnson missed a block on a blitz pickup, leading to a sack that some felt cost the Chiefs a game.

So a year later, is Johnson any better at blitz pickup? I really can’t say because the Chiefs don’t call on him to do it much. When they pass, they send Johnson out as a receiver rather than keeping him in to block. That might indicate that he’s not a particularly good blocker, but he more than makes up for it by being one of the NFL’s best pass-catching running backs.

Also, it must be said that quarterbacks are responsible for seeing the blitz coming, and Green struggled with blitz recognition against Oakland. On a first-and-10 in the third quarter, Dante Hall was split to the left with Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha lined up in coverage on Hall. At the snap Asomugha blitzed, leaving Hall all alone. If Green had seen the blitz coming, he could have lobbed an easy pass to Hall for a long gain, but he never even looked to his left. Asomugha drilled him, forcing a fumble.

Maybe some people will find a reason to blame that play on Johnson, who has received a lot more criticism in his young career than most elite players do. But watching him on every play against Oakland, I couldn’t find much to criticize.

Each week, Michael David Smith looks at one specific player or one aspect of a team on every single play of the previous game. Standard caveat applies: Yes, one game is not necessarily an indicator of performance over the entire season.

Rohirrim
11-22-2006, 09:55 PM
If everybody chips in a buck, will some mod kill this thread?

crazyhorse
11-23-2006, 11:57 PM
157 yards aint too bad.

Better'n 38.

Northman
11-24-2006, 12:15 AM
Great job Crazylegs. LJ looks great out there. He's on my Fantasy team but i could have done without the KC win. lol

azbroncfan
11-24-2006, 12:30 AM
Anyways, my argument still stands

a) 48% of his yardage came against horrible run defenses.
b) In the games he rushed for 100 yards, he never averaged more than 4.7 ypc against a top 10 rush defense.

Debate that, Bobo.

Florida Bronco hate to agree with BOOB but to say LJ is an average back tells me you just look at ESPN and don't watch the guy play. You can tell just by watching if a guy has it or not and LJ is a great back, speed best BALANCE in the league, power cutback regardless of his stats. 4.2 or whatever he averages is great in a Herm E. conservative O where D's are keying on you. If you looked at stats you'd think TBell was a great stat. Sorry to call you out but you are completely wrong.

SYEKNOD27
11-24-2006, 12:57 AM
Oh, he's for real alright. He's ran for almost 300 yds in 2 games against the Broncos.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-24-2006, 02:22 AM
Wow. Larry up to 1,200 yards. So much for Florida's 1,300-yard prediction. That will likely be shattered to hell next week against Cleveland.

munkey
11-24-2006, 02:35 AM
LJ is a good back and he is all the offense has, this year is a test for him since d-cordinators will be gameplanning around him. Stop LJ and you render the chiefs useless.


hmm...

Something your "D" could not do...

heh

Denver knew all they had to do was stop LJ....Thats all...Game over. What happened?

youcandoit1687
11-24-2006, 02:38 AM
good game by LJ. it was very frustrating, we would stop him for 0-2 yards and then hed break an 8 yarder. biased or not, its gotta scare you that he gets all those carries. bennett seemed to do pretty well, if iwere herm, i would spell LJ more often. maybe its just because of trent's current state, returning to the game and all.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-24-2006, 02:52 AM
I agree. Bennett needs more carries.

Florida_Bronco
11-24-2006, 08:30 AM
Wow. Larry up to 1,200 yards. So much for Florida's 1,300-yard prediction. That will likely be shattered to hell next week against Cleveland.

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-24-2006, 10:57 AM
Say that a little bit louder.

Bowser
11-24-2006, 11:56 AM
Awesome thread!

ROFL!

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:16 AM
He's overrated-ness will become apparent without Tony Richardson and Roaf plowing huge holes for him.

Sure about that? ROFL!

Kaylore
11-25-2006, 12:30 AM
Larry Johnson lacks the mental discipline to be a successful long term team player.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:36 AM
How does Bennett not fit our running attack?


Good question, Mr. Bob from the past. I think he fits it just fine. To the tune of almost seven yards per carry!

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:39 AM
Adding Law and Tamba Hali will make a huge difference on defense, as will Edwards and the new defensive coaches.

True dat, Bob from the past. You appear to know your football pretty well.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:40 AM
It's called sarcasm. Ty Law is going to force Jake Plummer into early retirement.

OMG! Bob from the Past is almost a prophet!

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:43 AM
I seriously doubt you'll ever see the 2005 Larry Johnson again in a prolonged stretch.


LOL

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2006, 12:44 AM
Either way Bob, you were wrong...now it's just down to decided what you were wrong about.

Good point. I was wrong about you being right! :~ohyah!:

Kaylore
11-25-2006, 01:51 AM
I have Bob on ignore, but I see he has posted five times in a row. Should I take this time to mention that Larry Johnson will probably be totally worn down by 2008?

ZachKC
11-25-2006, 03:50 AM
Larry Johnson lacks the mental discipline to be a successful long term team player.

Move those goal posts...

TomServo
11-25-2006, 04:27 AM
LJ is a very good back. but true greats have been run into the ground before him. ask anyone with a brain cell if they would prefer LJ or Earl Campbell. Campbell made the pathetic oilers a contender. run into the ground before his time and LJ couldnt carry his jockstrap.
T.D. mightve suffered the same fate before he got hurt but he only has a 2000 yd season(sitting the bench in the 3rd quarter and even halftime) and an mvp trophy oh and 2 SB rings

Florida_Bronco
11-25-2006, 09:12 AM
I have Bob on ignore, but I see he has posted five times in a row. Should I take this time to mention that Larry Johnson will probably be totally worn down by 2008?

It's his way of flaunting the predictions he was right (maybe) about. I would go back and dig up his posts and throw up all the wrong ones he made, but that would take all day and shorten his e-dick even more.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-03-2006, 05:57 PM
LJ breaks the 1,300 yard barrier. Florida Bronco proven wrong, once again.

jimmy_jim420
12-03-2006, 06:09 PM
go post in the other threads about your awesome defense, fat boy

Florida_Bronco
12-03-2006, 06:19 PM
LJ breaks the 1,300 yard barrier. Florida Bronco proven wrong, once again.

Not really, my prediction was 1300 yards +/- 100 yards, so right now he's in the range I predicted. Still got a few games left though.

That was also only a part of my prediction. I also predicted that LJ would not be as effective as he was down the stretch last year, which so far I have been right about.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-09-2006, 09:16 PM
An epic matchup:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9025/graylewisieh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1889/050911larryjohnsonhmedhsm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Killericon
12-09-2006, 09:57 PM
An epic matchup:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9025/graylewisieh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1889/050911larryjohnsonhmedhsm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm looking forward to it, because if Lewis stuffs him all night, we get to trash talk you about how Tatum ran over Ray's ass.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-09-2006, 10:36 PM
That would be most unfortunate.

crazyhorse
12-09-2006, 10:43 PM
Not really, my prediction was 1300 yards +/- 100 yards, so right now he's in the range I predicted. Still got a few games left though.

That was also only a part of my prediction. I also predicted that LJ would not be as effective as he was down the stretch last year, which so far I have been right about.

So you predicted 1300, and he will beat that by probably 300 yards or more. Then you predicted he would not be as effective, yet before lat week he had about 6 games in a row averaging 150 yards a game rushing. If that's not effective, then there is not another effective back in the NFL.

I like you. For that reason, I wish you wouldn't insist on looking so stupid with this thread. You seem to keep coming back for more as though something will change. LJ is a better back than you predicted.

He's argueably the best runner in the league.

You need to find a new agenda. This one only stands to diminish your credibility.

Killericon
12-10-2006, 01:18 AM
That would be most unfortunate.

And if Larry carries Ray for 8 yards, everyone will say Tatum is just a hard a runner as Larry!

Fun!

Kaylore
12-10-2006, 05:08 AM
Larry Johnson has marginal running skills.

AFCWestFan
12-10-2006, 08:55 AM
Left Margin, Right Margin, and marginalizes O Lines up the middle.

Threads like this bring out some of the most ignorant comments. Isn't it just possible that there are qualiuty football players who dont play for the Broncos?

Todays match up of Lewis vs LJ is great...two exceptional players.

crazyhorse
12-10-2006, 09:00 AM
Larry Johnson has marginal running skills.

You have vaginal posting skills. LOL

I just cracked myself up.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-10-2006, 09:32 AM
Larry Johnson has marginal running skills.

He's only marginally good at taking out two Pro-Bowl defenders on one play.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/Johnson%20-%20Nice%20Move%2015%20YD%20Run.gif

AFCWestFan
12-10-2006, 09:37 AM
Lets Hope he can do something today....

IowaBroncosFan
12-10-2006, 11:12 AM
LJ always kills the Bronco's Def.....

Bob's your Information Minister
12-10-2006, 04:24 PM
LJ with 120 yards against the Ravens. The best game by any running back against that defense all year. What a warrior!

Northman
12-10-2006, 04:26 PM
And the chiefs still lose. Awesome, lets go celebrate Boob! :)

isis
12-10-2006, 04:27 PM
how's it feel to cheer for a .500 team fat boy?

Bronx33
12-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Something on your face bob....

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1011/oldfashionpowdermj2.jpg

kcxiv
12-10-2006, 05:59 PM
LJ's the only guy that showed up on offense today. oh well, Broncos not looking so great either. We both suck this year. lol

Bob's your Information Minister
12-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Larry hits 1,500 yards!!!

azbroncfan
12-18-2006, 12:35 AM
Larry hits 1,500 yards!!!

In a season ending loss.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-23-2006, 11:20 PM
Larry hits 1,653 yards! What a great season.

Kaylore
12-23-2006, 11:22 PM
Larry Johnson sucks. Ron Dayne is better.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-23-2006, 11:22 PM
Jay Cutler's just Jake Plummer with a stronger arm.

Bronx33
12-23-2006, 11:24 PM
Larry hits 1,653 yards! What a great season.


A great season consists of playoffs you silly ****! cheaps fans haven't won shyt in so long you don't know your a** from a hole in the ground.

Kaylore
12-23-2006, 11:25 PM
Jay Cutler's just Jake Plummer with a stronger arm.

Actually Alec agrees with you...except for the strong arm part. ;D :~ohyah!:

Florida_Bronco
12-23-2006, 11:42 PM
Larry hits 1,653 yards! What a great season.

Not nearly as effective as last year, just like I predicted.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-23-2006, 11:49 PM
Not nearly as effective as last year, just like I predicted.

Actually, not really. His offensive line and quarterback play has fallen off. He's been the same player for the most part. The fact that he's been able to rack up 1700 yards behind this line is a testament to his greatness. He's really added some quickness to his game this year. That hop-step is a thing of beauty.

crazyhorse
12-23-2006, 11:52 PM
Not nearly as effective as last year, just like I predicted.

I'm convincedHilarious!

Florida_Bronco
12-23-2006, 11:52 PM
Actually, not really. His offensive line and quarterback play has fallen off. He's been the same player for the most part. The fact that he's been able to rack up 1700 yards behind this line is a testament to his greatness. He's really added some quickness to his game this year. That hop-step is a thing of beauty.

I've watched multiple Chiefs games and IMO your line did not fall off nearly as badly as some people think. What is evident is that Johnson did not have as much quickness and stamina as he did at the same point last year.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-23-2006, 11:55 PM
I've watched multiple Chiefs games and IMO your line did not fall off nearly as badly as some people think. What is evident is that Johnson did not have as much quickness and stamina as he did at the same point last year.

That's complete garbage. Our line play has fallen off tremendously. We can't run to the outside as we used to. It's not even close. We've been shuffling offensive tackles all year long.

His stamina and quickness are fine. He's taken 380 carries and looked awesome out there tonight.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:01 AM
That's complete garbage. Our line play has fallen off tremendously. We can't run to the outside as we used to. It's not even close. We've been shuffling offensive tackles all year long.

His stamina and quickness are fine. He's taken 380 carries and looked awesome out there tonight.

Your analysis of football players, especially Chiefs players, has been pretty far off ever since I've been around this board and it's not any different this time.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:02 AM
Your analysis of football players, especially Chiefs players, has been pretty far off ever since I've been around this board and it's not any different this time.

I could say the same about you, starting with this retarded thread.

LJ rushes for 1750 yards and you come up with a bunch of bullcrap reasons as to why he is overrated.

Then he does it again and you're still talking out your ass.

It's a case of running back envy at it's finest.

crazyhorse
12-24-2006, 12:04 AM
That's complete garbage. Our line play has fallen off tremendously. We can't run to the outside as we used to. It's not even close. We've been shuffling offensive tackles all year long.

His stamina and quickness are fine. He's taken 380 carries and looked awesome out there tonight.

Ya gotta give credit to FB. He has come to the conclusion that our offensive woes are a direct reflection of Larry Johnsons play dropping off and not the O lines fault. Otherwise, he figures the "mediocre Johnson of last season" would likely have run for 200+ against the Broncos. Just think what he could have done against the Bronco defense if he was a good RB. Probably 300 or better, eh FB?
Hilarious!

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:09 AM
I could say the same about you, starting with this retarded thread.

LJ rushes for 1750 yards and you come up with a bunch of bullcrap reasons as to why he is overrated.

Then he does it again and you're still talking out your ass.

It's a case of running back envy at it's finest.

They're only bullcrap to you because you are a Chiefs fan. Just about every sensible fan I know agrees that you can't judge a player who cames in fresh the second half of the season and destroys several of the worst defenses in the NFL. This year LJ has had a really good season, but he was nowhere near the monster he was last year, just like I predicted.

As far as my analysis of players, even with me missing the prediction of his yardage total, I was still at least half right on my prediction here. Also many of my past analysis of players and teams was pretty close, whereas I could post pages and pages of idiotic predictions you have made that never came to fruition.

Also for the record, I have never lied about having an inside source to the Broncos.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:13 AM
They're only bullcrap to you because you are a Chiefs fan.

That's terrific. You're a Broncos fan.


This year LJ has had a really good season, but he was nowhere near the monster he was last year, just like I predicted.


He was a better player this year. Last year he didn't have a move like that amazing hop-step he raped the Broncos with at Arrowhead. The holes last year were gigantic and he could use the entire field because of the offensive line.

I've got plenty of video from last year and Larry looks exactly the same, if not better as I've already stated.

The other thing that completely blows away your retarded argument is that LJ has only gotten better as this season has worn on. He struggled early but really turned it on down the stretch.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:15 AM
Ya gotta give credit to FB. He has come to the conclusion that our offensive woes are a direct reflection of Larry Johnsons play dropping off and not the O lines fault. Otherwise, he figures the "mediocre Johnson of last season" would likely have run for 200+ against the Broncos. Just think what he could have done against the Bronco defense if he was a good RB. Probably 300 or better, eh FB?
Hilarious!

I don't think I ever called LJ "medicore" as so many here have concluded. I certainly implied that he is overrated due to the circumstances of his 2005 performance though.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:17 AM
Overrated by whom? LT is the one getting blown left and right. Meanwhile LJ quietly gains another 1,700 yards and earns his second straight Pro Bowl nod. Without William Roaf and without his quarterback for half the season. Larry Johnson is overrated by none, loved by many and feared by all.

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 12:20 AM
Overrated by whom? LT is the one getting blown left and right. Meanwhile LJ quietly gains another 1,700 yards and earns his second straight Pro Bowl nod. Without William Roaf and without his quarterback for half the season. Larry Johnson is overrated by none, loved by many and feared by all.


Except when the playoffs roll around. :thumbsup:

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:23 AM
That's terrific. You're a Broncos fan.

Yes, and unlike you, I can look at the Chiefs alot more objectively than you can. I'm also more knowledgeable about the game of football than you are.

He was a better player this year. Last year he didn't have a move like that amazing hop-step he raped the Broncos with at Arrowhead. The holes last year were gigantic and he could use the entire field because of the offensive line.

I've got plenty of video from last year and Larry looks exactly the same, if not better as I've already stated.

You're arguing 2 different things here. I'm arguing that LJ was not as effective as last year and you counter by saying that he's learned new techniques. Last year LJ was basically able to bully opposing defenses. This year, he couldn't do that. You are right though, he did develop new techniques that made him look more effective.

The other thing that completely blows away your retarded argument is that LJ has only gotten better as this season has worn on. He struggled early but really turned it on down the stretch.

This is where you could make a legitimate argument about the offensive line woes hurting LJ. Your O-line was not impressive during the beginning of the season, but they weren't the disaster you would think. As the season has gone on they have jelled together and their play has much improved.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:28 AM
Yes, and unlike you, I can look at the Chiefs alot more objectively than you can. I'm also more knowledgeable about the game of football than you are.

Even more garbage. Your anti-Chief bias is infamous. The second statement is laughable.


Last year LJ was basically able to bully opposing defenses. This year, he couldn't do that.

That's ridiculous. He was running over guys all year.


You are right though, he did develop new techniques that made him look more effective.

Oh, I see. He only LOOKED more effective. Whatever.


This is where you could make a legitimate argument about the offensive line woes hurting LJ. Your O-line was not impressive during the beginning of the season, but they weren't the disaster you would think. As the season has gone on they have jelled together and their play has much improved.

How many Chiefs games have you watched? Our offensive line has been our achilles heel all season long. They've had some good games but the holes have been smaller. Our outside running game has almost COMPLETELY VANISHED. Heck, early tonight they SUCKED. LJ had an AMAZING cutback run that was almost 100% solo effort.

LJ is amazing. You are wrong. And we've got a great thread dedicated to it!

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 12:40 AM
Boob there is only one bronco fan disputing you.

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 12:42 AM
A thread dedicated to a RB that will never win a playoff game.........sweet!

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:45 AM
Even more garbage. Your anti-Chief bias is infamous. The second statement is laughable.

Actually, I'm more biased to the Raiders as I hate them. I grew up in a family of Chiefs fans, so I do have a healthy respect for them and knowledge of Chief's history.

Also, you'd be hard pressed to find a single person here who thinks you have more football smarts than I do. You never playing a down of football in your life is a huge handicap to begin with. You'd never accept it though. I've seen you get completly embarrassed by Mediator, who knows more about X's and O's than anyone here, and you just kept arguing telling him how wrong he is.

That's ridiculous. He was running over guys all year.

Not like he was last year.

Oh, I see. He only LOOKED more effective. Whatever.

To be simple about it, yes.

How many Chiefs games have you watched? Our offensive line has been our achilles heel all season long. They've had some good games but the holes have been smaller. Our outside running game has almost COMPLETELY VANISHED. Heck, early tonight they SUCKED. LJ had an AMAZING cutback run that was almost 100% solo effort.

I've watched films of multiple Chiefs games, seeing as how a good friend of mine is a die hard fan and records them all. I'd also bet that most of your analysis comes from watching the games live on TV, rather than breaking down film.


LJ is amazing. You are wrong. And we've got a great thread dedicated to it!

LJ is good, and in the upper echelon of backs, but calling him "amazing" is a major stretch.

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 12:46 AM
Larry Johnson is pretty good no hate

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:47 AM
Boob there is only one bronco fan disputing you.

Really? I've had support from more than a few Bronco fans on this site like SoCal, YouCanDoIt, and Kaylore.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:48 AM
Larry Johnson is pretty good no hate

Agreed, he is pretty good.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:49 AM
I'd also bet that most of your analysis comes from watching the games live on TV, rather than breaking down film.

Oh look! He's wrong again! I've got oodles of Chiefs game film dating back to 2003.


LJ is good, and in the upper echelon of backs, but calling him "amazing" is a major stretch.

Calling him anything but amazing is stupid...but then again, this thread was stupid from the beginning. IT SHALL LIVE IN INFAMY!!!

Out of curiosity's sake, can you compare LJ to another NFL running back? There are quite a few "pretty good" running backs out there. Who is the closest to LJ?

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 12:50 AM
his pretty good but his on the wrong team playing good for what just too go 8-7 ha ha ha

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 12:53 AM
Oh look! He's wrong again! I've got oodles of Chiefs game film dating back to 2003.



Calling him anything but amazing is stupid...but then again, this thread was stupid from the beginning. IT SHALL LIVE IN INFAMY!!!

Out of curiosity's sake, can you compare LJ to another NFL running back? There are quite a few "pretty good" running backs out there. Who is the closest to LJ?


LJ is good but LT is amazing get your facts straight homer and just because he got more carries that okoye now doesn't make him amazing. (It means the coach called his number a little more)

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:54 AM
Larry's heading towards back-to-back 1,700 yard seasons. Has anyone else besides Eric Dickerson done that? That's some damned good company. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else. More fuel for the fire in which Florida Bronco now burns!!! HE'S MELLLLLLLTING!

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 12:55 AM
LJ is good but LT is amazing get your facts straight

They are both amazing.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 12:55 AM
Oh look! He's wrong again! I've got oodles of Chiefs game film dating back to 2003.

Yeah? Now do you know how to study it? Can you recognize the offensive and defensive play calls? Do you know what the player assignments are?

Calling him anything but amazing is stupid...but then again, this thread was stupid from the beginning. IT SHALL LIVE IN INFAMY!!!

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, because you are too stubborn to accept LJ as anything but the God you imagine him as.

Out of curiosity's sake, can you compare LJ to another NFL running back? There are quite a few "pretty good" running backs out there. Who is the closest to LJ?

That's kinda a loaded question. You can compare skill sets or production, and even then you have other variables that figure into it.

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 12:56 AM
Really? I've had support from more than a few Bronco fans on this site like SoCal, YouCanDoIt, and Kaylore.

Well if you read your first post the argument you use could be used against any RB. You asked in the title if he is the real deal or not and yes he is. 2nd best back in the league. Who would you take over him. Some point in this thread you compare Tatum to LJ which just tells me you look at stats and don't actually watch the games since you judge off of yards per carry. You can tell when you watch him how good he is and you can tell that Tatum isn't as good as his ypc. I said in 04 I was more scared of LJ than Priest and he had a huge game in arrowhead. He is a great back and I wish Denver had one with half his skill.

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 12:56 AM
Larry's heading towards back-to-back 1,700 yard seasons. Has anyone else besides Eric Dickerson done that? That's some damned good company. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else. More fuel for the fire in which Florida Bronco now burns!!! HE'S MELLLLLLLTING!

O ok so his good no one said he wasnt

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 12:57 AM
I seen the raiders game too if they had any good of a offense K.C would of lost

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 12:59 AM
I think even dickerson won a playoff game or two....

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:01 AM
Yeah? Now do you know how to study it? Can you recognize the offensive and defensive play calls? Do you know what the player assignments are?

That stuff is fairly easy to identify. I'm certainly not interested in discussing this issue any further with your dumb ass however, because you routinely pull the same garbage everytime we get into this. I don't have to prove myself to anyone, let alone idiots who think Larry Johnson is "pretty good."


We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, because you are too stubborn to accept LJ as anything but the God you imagine him as.

Well, you are pretty much on your own here. Most everyone here has recognized LJ is a special player. Except you. You think he's a Musa Smith clone.


That's kinda a loaded question. You can compare skill sets or production, and even then you have other variables that figure into it.

I'm talking in terms of pure talent. To me he's a modern-day Jim Brown or Eric Dickerson. There's no current player that compares to him in terms of athletic ability and running style. Stephen Jackson comes close, but not close enough.

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 01:03 AM
Hey Musa Smith is ok

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:04 AM
Hey Musa Smith is ok

Musa Smith has 57 career carries. However, I'm sure he could go for 1,700 in Kansas City.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 01:08 AM
Well if you read your first post the argument you use could be used against any RB. You asked in the title if he is the real deal or not and yes he is. 2nd best back in the league. Who would you take over him. Some point in this thread you compare Tatum to LJ which just tells me you look at stats and don't actually watch the games since you judge off of yards per carry. You can tell when you watch him how good he is and you can tell that Tatum isn't as good as his ypc. I said in 04 I was more scared of LJ than Priest and he had a huge game in arrowhead. He is a great back and I wish Denver had one with half his skill.

I explained much earlier in this thread that the title was a poor choice of wording given my argument. The Tatum vs. LJ comparison was based on their effectiveness, which at the time Tatum was outperforming LJ on the ground with the exception of touchdowns. Also, as I've argued earlier in this thread, running back is one of the few positions that stats are not that misleading on. You can't make it the be all/end all argument. I'd like to hear you explain how YPC is not a good way to judge a running backs performance.

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:10 AM
That stuff is fairly easy to identify. I'm certainly not interested in discussing this issue any further with your dumb ass however, because you routinely pull the same garbage everytime we get into this. I don't have to prove myself to anyone, let alone idiots who think Larry Johnson is "pretty good."



Well, you are pretty much on your own here. Most everyone here has recognized LJ is a special player. Except you. You think he's a Musa Smith clone.



I'm talking in terms of pure talent. To me he's a modern-day Jim Brown or Eric Dickerson. There's no current player that compares to him in terms of athletic ability and running style. Stephen Jackson comes close, but not close enough.



ROFL! STFU are you even old enough to have a legit opinion on dickerson let alone jim brown? or are you looking at numbers only? now answer truthfully donut boy you were in your daddies ball sack or having your a** wiped for you by momma from 83 to 86 and i know you never saw jim brown.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:11 AM
I'd like to hear you explain how YPC is not a good way to judge a running backs performance.

Because there are so many other factors that go into that stat. LJ's YPC is down because he lost his starting quarterback for eight games and the offensive line started sucking. He was the same player, but defenses were keying on him more than last season. It's not rocket science. You just enjoy hating on Larry Johnson and refuse to admit that YOU ARE WRONG.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:12 AM
ROFL! STFU are you even old enough to have a legit comment on dickerson let alone jim brown? or are you looking at numbers only? now answer truthfully donut boy you were in your daddies ball sack or having your a** wipped for you by momma from 83 to 86 and i know you never saw jim brown.

I've seen plenty of film on both running backs. I'm an NFL junkie.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 01:13 AM
That stuff is fairly easy to identify. I'm certainly not interested in discussing this issue any further with your dumb ass however, because you routinely pull the same garbage everytime we get into this. I don't have to prove myself to anyone, let alone idiots who think Larry Johnson is "pretty good."

Fairly easy my ass. I've been around football all my life and I can only recognize a small portion of the Broncos playbook. Recognizing the formations is easy, but knowing what the play is and what the assignments are is not. Defense is much harder to break down IMO.

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 01:14 AM
Im better than LJ i just didnt got picked up

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:15 AM
I've seen plenty of film on both running backs. I'm an NFL junkie.


And you still think LJ can runs like dickerson? and brown? LOL

Not even close donut boy (not even close) LJ is good but he didn't look anything like those two you are comparing him too.


You a NFL homer BTW.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:19 AM
And you still think LJ can runs like dickerson? and brown? LOL

Not even close donut boy (not even close) LJ is good but he didn't look anything like those two you are comparing him too.
.

I disagree. In fact, award-winning Kansas City Star columnist Joe Posnanski agrees with me. And so does one of Jim Brown's old teammates. I bet you feel pretty stupid now, huh?

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:23 AM
I disagree. In fact, award-winning Kansas City Star columnist Joe Posnanski agrees with me. And so does one of Jim Brown's old teammates. I bet you feel pretty stupid now, huh?


Ohhh boy! another KCer agrees with you just because you and two other people think it's truth (doesn't make it true) the funny part is i don't have to ask if you feel stupid. (just stop) your entering moron land again.

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 01:23 AM
I'd like to hear you explain how YPC is not a good way to judge a running backs performance.

Easy, I hate to call you out but you just showed you lack of football knowlege on this one. Tatum is a perfect example here pull up his second half stats against Seattle off top of my head. Here are a made up example of carries. 2, 10,2,0, 1,3,-1,4,2,3,4,7,1,-3,90t,2,2,3,5. 137yards on 19 carries equals 7.2 a carry. Wow he must be the best back in the league with those type numbers. Well whenever I look at a game by a back I throw the longest and shortest runs out and in this case you get 50 on 17 carries for 2.9 and that is a realistic Tatum Bell stat line. Sure ypc looks good but the team lost because the RB was ineffective early in the game leading to a lot of 3 and outs and that has been a huge problem for Denver this year and why O has struggled. Need any more explaination? By the way you are making me agree with doughnut boy which I hate to do.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:26 AM
Ohhh boy! another KCer agrees with you just because you and two other people think it's truth (doesn't make it true) the funny part is i don't have to ask if you feel stupid. (just stop) your entering moron land again.

Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, biatches


Vince Costello’s voice lowers to a whisper. Voices often lower to a whisper when the topic is Jim Brown. There was something about the way Jim Brown ran a football that defies words. Players from Brown’s time will call him Superman and Hercules and recall superhuman feats of strength like some time when he dragged 10 mud-covered men over a goal line on a snowy day in Cleveland.

Then, often, those players will drop their voices and speak in the hushed tones you hear in church. Vince Costello was Jim Brown’s teammate in Cleveland for nine seasons.

“The kid’s just like him,” Costello whispers. “I never thought I would see anyone run the ball like Jim. But this kid runs the same way, upright, proud. He runs angry, the way Jim used to run. He wants to hurt you. Jim wanted to hurt you.”

Costello’s whisper dives even lower, so now you can barely make out the words. Maybe he’s whispering out of respect. Maybe he cannot believe what he’s saying.

“There will never another Jim Brown,” he whispers. “But Larry Johnson is the closest thing I think I’ll see in my lifetime.”

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:26 AM
yawn*

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:27 AM
Easy, I hate to call you out but you just showed you lack of football knowlege on this one. Tatum is a perfect example here pull up his second half stats against Seattle off top of my head. Here are a made up example of carries. 2, 10,2,0, 1,3,-1,4,2,3,4,7,1,-3,90t,2,2,3,5. 137yards on 19 carries equals 7.2 a carry. Wow he must be the best back in the league with those type numbers. Well whenever I look at a game by a back I throw the longest and shortest runs out and in this case you get 50 on 17 carries for 2.9 and that is a realistic Tatum Bell stat line. Sure ypc looks good but the team lost because the RB was ineffective early in the game leading to a lot of 3 and outs and that has been a huge problem for Denver this year and why O has struggled. Need any more explaination? By the way you are making me agree with doughnut boy which I hate to do.

Great post, buddy. I think the best thing about Larry is his consistency. One of my favorite stats is rushing first downs. Larry is one behind Tomlinson. Bell isn't even in the top 20.

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 01:28 AM
Great post, buddy. I think the best thing about Larry is his consistency. One of my favorite stats is rushing first downs. Larry is one behind Tomlinson. Bell isn't even in the top 20.

L O L your a hating ass ****** why you down talking bell like that

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:29 AM
L O L your a hating ass ****** why you down talking bell like that

Tatum Bell is the perfect example of a running back that's "pretty good."

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:33 AM
Great post, buddy. I think the best thing about Larry is his consistency. One of my favorite stats is rushing first downs. Larry is one behind Tomlinson. Bell isn't even in the top 20.


Neither was LJ his rookie year you idiot.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:35 AM
Neither was LJ his rookie year you idiot.

That's because he barely touched the ball. Get a clue.

AboveAverage
12-24-2006, 01:36 AM
He's a great back, but not a complete back. He will be done in 2-3 years anyways, when you're "window" (9-7/10-6) seasons are done.

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:39 AM
That's because he barely touched the ball. Get a clue.


A rookie non the less and please don't tell me your such a junkie you can tell me what his numbers (would have been) had he touched the ball (alot)

Go to bed you nitwit...

Bronx33
12-24-2006, 01:40 AM
He's a great back, but not a complete back. He will be done in 2-3 years anyways, when you're "window" (9-7/10-6) seasons are done.


You beat me too it...

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 01:41 AM
A rookie non the less and please don't tell me your such a junkie you can tell me what his numbers (would have been) had he touched the ball (alot)

Go to bed you nitwit...

L O L you called him a nitwit his more like a homer and a di**head

usedupbraids
12-24-2006, 01:44 AM
good night hollaa back with the yak

watermock
12-24-2006, 01:53 AM
After you miss the playoffs after running him into the ground with 440 carries the universe will be back in order. Wow...you beat the Raiders. BFD!

He's going to be franchised anyway. This is a good draft for backs. I'll take my chances in the draft for a fraction of the price. Tater gets hurt too much but he isn't a slouch...just not a workhorse for whatever reason.

MO<1>
12-24-2006, 04:30 AM
Who cares? Bob up&down all over the place. What does a KC Chief and a vacuum cleaner have in common?

:chiefssux

crazyhorse
12-24-2006, 08:24 AM
Who cares? Bob up&down all over the place. What does a KC Chief and a vacuum cleaner have in common?
:chiefssux

Both know more about running backs than a Bronco fan.

MO<1>
12-24-2006, 10:03 AM
Both know more about running backs than a Bronco fan.

Not even close to true. Check the history books- Bronco backs run less but when was the last season Denver did not produce a 1K runner? LJwill sit at home in Jan and feel those 400+ touches. No-one clammers for cast off Arrowhead backs - now do they short-bus rider? Playing in Misery is a waiste of talent.:manesmack

crazyhorse
12-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Not even close to true. Check the history books- Bronco backs run less but when was the last season Denver did not produce a 1K runner? LJwill sit at home in Jan and feel those 400+ touches. No-one clammers for cast off Arrowhead backs - now do they short-bus rider? Playing in Misery is a waiste of talent.:manesmack


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=51075


Start smaller.
You're not ready.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 11:22 AM
Easy, I hate to call you out but you just showed you lack of football knowlege on this one. Tatum is a perfect example here pull up his second half stats against Seattle off top of my head. Here are a made up example of carries. 2, 10,2,0, 1,3,-1,4,2,3,4,7,1,-3,90t,2,2,3,5. 137yards on 19 carries equals 7.2 a carry. Wow he must be the best back in the league with those type numbers. Well whenever I look at a game by a back I throw the longest and shortest runs out and in this case you get 50 on 17 carries for 2.9 and that is a realistic Tatum Bell stat line. Sure ypc looks good but the team lost because the RB was ineffective early in the game leading to a lot of 3 and outs and that has been a huge problem for Denver this year and why O has struggled. Need any more explaination? By the way you are making me agree with doughnut boy which I hate to do.

That's really not a great argument, seeing as how the big knock of Tatum this year was that he wasn't breaking the long runs like last year. Your "realistic" stat line is far from accurate as well, seeing as how Tatum has been rather consistent all year.

I could also rebuttal that by mentioning the fact that LJ had at least 1 game like that against SF. IIRC, at the start of the 4th quarter he had around 30 rushing yards but a few relatively long runs boosted his total over 100.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:00 PM
I could also rebuttal that by mentioning the fact that LJ had at least 1 game like that against SF. IIRC, at the start of the 4th quarter he had around 30 rushing yards but a few relatively long runs boosted his total over 100.

You're such a moron. LJ had one 28-yard run in that game.

LJ is probably the most consistent RB in the NFL in terms of getting yardage and moving the chains.

DenverBrit
12-24-2006, 01:39 PM
You're such a moron. LJ had one 28-yard run in that game.

LJ is probably the most consistent RB in the NFL in terms of getting yardage and moving the chains.

Fans of LT would probably laugh at that statement. Hilarious! Hilarious!

I know I did. :clown:

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 01:50 PM
You're such a moron. LJ had one 28-yard run in that game.

LJ is probably the most consistent RB in the NFL in terms of getting yardage and moving the chains.

That 28 yard run was 27.8% of his rushing total on the day.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:53 PM
That 28 yard run was 27.8% of his rushing total on the day.

Thanks for that meaningless tidbit.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 01:55 PM
Thanks for that meaningless tidbit.

You agreed with the same logic in principle when AZBronco posted it, and now when it works against LJ it's a meaningless tidbit?

Show some consistency, Bob.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 01:57 PM
You agreed with the same logic in principle when AZBronco posted it, and now when it works against LJ it's a meaningless tidbit?

Show some consistency, Bob.

What? I didn't agree with your retarded premise in any way. AZ is talking about an entire season's worth of carries. You're talking about one game and a 28-yard carry. Get a clue.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 02:30 PM
What? I didn't agree with your retarded premise in any way. AZ is talking about an entire season's worth of carries. You're talking about one game and a 28-yard carry. Get a clue.

Here is the original post.

Easy, I hate to call you out but you just showed you lack of football knowlege on this one. Tatum is a perfect example here pull up his second half stats against Seattle off top of my head. Here are a made up example of carries. 2, 10,2,0, 1,3,-1,4,2,3,4,7,1,-3,90t,2,2,3,5. 137yards on 19 carries equals 7.2 a carry. Wow he must be the best back in the league with those type numbers. Well whenever I look at a game by a back I throw the longest and shortest runs out and in this case you get 50 on 17 carries for 2.9 and that is a realistic Tatum Bell stat line. Sure ypc looks good but the team lost because the RB was ineffective early in the game leading to a lot of 3 and outs and that has been a huge problem for Denver this year and why O has struggled. Need any more explaination? By the way you are making me agree with doughnut boy which I hate to do.

Here is your response.

Great post, buddy. I think the best thing about Larry is his consistency.

AZbronc's post dealt with long runs having an effect on rushing totals and YPC, which you called a "great post." My post was along the very same lines and you call it a meaningless tidbit.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 02:33 PM
It's not the same. You're talking about ONE GAME.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 02:37 PM
It's not the same. You're talking about ONE GAME.

So was AZBronc's post, which again, you called a "great post"

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 02:42 PM
No. He's talking about Larry Johnson's ability to be a consistent back almost every weekend. He's the anti-Tatum Bell.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 02:49 PM
No. He's talking about Larry Johnson's ability to be a consistent back almost every weekend. He's the anti-Tatum Bell.

His post made no mention of LJ. He was discussing the effects that long runs have on yardage totals and YPC and how they can make players look more effective than they really are.

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 02:53 PM
Neither was LJ his rookie year you idiot.

Tatum is a 3 year pro, shanny is looking for his replacement but no one will step up.

Florida_Bronco
12-24-2006, 02:57 PM
Tatum is a 3 year pro, shanny is looking for his replacement but no one will step up.

I don't know about that to be honest. Tatum showed alot of improvement this year and was on track for about 1500 yards before his turf toe injury. I think it's very possible that Shanny will try to upgrade, but I wouldn't say it's a done deal.

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 03:02 PM
You agreed with the same logic in principle when AZBronco posted it, and now when it works against LJ it's a meaningless tidbit?

Show some consistency, Bob.

All I'm saying is LJ is a great back regardless of what his YPC is. There are a bunch of NFL pro's, coaches, ex players, scouts who would agree with me. Now I don't think he is as great as boob says his is but he is 2nd best back in the league easily. Tatum is an average back and Shanny has tried to replace him but the players trying out are even worse. Tatum has too many 2 yard carries, way too many. In the seattle game he had around 120 in first half and finished in the 130's. He had one run longer than 3 yards in second half. He put up good numbers against st louis but due to a couple of long runs which is product of O Line blocking more than the back. I could bring up a ton of games Tatum has had. Back to LJ, I think it is stupid to say is only a good back because he plays for KC. I don't like the guy personally but he is a great back and you can see that in his runs plain and simple. He has alot of runs where he looks stopped for a 1 yard gain and jukes or powers to 4 yards. He is the only back that consistently gets 100 actually 125+ against Denver. I'll give him credit even though he plays for queefs. The argument that he will be done in a couple years is just a wild boob like projection with only hope but no facts or proof on how his career will wind up.

wabbit
12-24-2006, 06:23 PM
Johnson is an excellent RB. If he plays another few years he may even match Denver's Sammy Winder.

They look very similar in style, but Sammy has a few yards on him.

Keep trying...you'll get there Larry.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 06:31 PM
Johnson is an excellent RB. If he plays another few years he may even match Denver's Sammy Winder.

They look very similar in style, but Sammy has a few yards on him.

Keep trying...you'll get there Larry.

Larry will easily pass Winder next year. He's a speedbump.

wabbit
12-24-2006, 08:37 PM
Larry will easily pass Winder next year. He's a speedbump.

Ah, understandably mistaken.

You see YOU'RE the speed bump...actually, more of a massive ramp, but I digress...Sammy, you see, is the milestone & ol' LJ aint even that quite yet.

Keep dreamin'...he might get there.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 08:39 PM
This is so amusing. Winder never even averaged more than 4 YPC in a single season.

ORANGEJARHEAD
12-24-2006, 08:49 PM
I think Larry Johnson needs to shut his prima-donna mouth. He's a whinner, not a winner, like all the spleefs (chiefs for those unfamiliar with the term). He whinned about Vermiel, and now he's whinning about Norm Edwards play calling. Big baby. Not worthy of all-pro status. He has proven he is a choker, just like all his teamates.

As to the slam on Sammy Winder, I don't think it's a big deal if Johnson passes him. It's like comparing apples to oranges, Winder was a 3 yds & a cloud of dust runner, & I hate to admit it, but Johnson has break away speed, when he's not whinning.

wabbit
12-24-2006, 08:53 PM
This is so amusing. Winder never even averaged more than 4 YPC in a single season.

Sammy Winder > Larry Johnson

In yards gained, that's a fact monkey boy.

You like stats...you throw them around as though it might make that (once again...how many years is it??)) mediocre franchise more presentable.

Once again, the play-offs bridesmaid.

Didn't you once tell Bronco fans to enjoy third place??

Welcome back!

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 08:55 PM
Sammy Winder > Larry Johnson

In yards gained, that's a fact monkey boy.



Who cares? Jake Plummer > Jay Cutler in the same category.

wabbit
12-24-2006, 08:58 PM
Who cares? Jake Plummer > Jay Cutler in the same category.

...and at this stage...that is correct.

My goodness you let your third grade reader slide, now, didn't you??

Sammy Winder > Larry Johnson SUCK IT!

Bob's your Information Minister
12-24-2006, 09:07 PM
Wabbit...king of the meaningless stat.

wabbit
12-24-2006, 09:15 PM
Wabbit...king of the meaningless stat.

Bobo-king of the meaningless life

azbroncfan
12-24-2006, 11:36 PM
That's really not a great argument, seeing as how the big knock of Tatum this year was that he wasn't breaking the long runs like last year. Your "realistic" stat line is far from accurate as well, seeing as how Tatum has been rather consistent all year.

I could also rebuttal that by mentioning the fact that LJ had at least 1 game like that against SF. IIRC, at the start of the 4th quarter he had around 30 rushing yards but a few relatively long runs boosted his total over 100.


Your right Tatum has cosistently put Denver in 2nd and 8's. He goes down easy, isn't that quick and I don't think he is very athletic just fast running a 40 time. I am over this guy, as soon as M. Bell came in Denvers run game picked up. I don't think he is the answer but he is better than Tatum. Tatum had 1 good run and 2 decent runs but he fumbled on the one to negate it.

Bronx33
12-25-2006, 12:35 AM
Bobo-king of the meaningless life


What do ya mean? bobo has got his hostess donut contract to keep him at his prime fighting weight they just have to figure out what hes going to fight, sources from hostess are looking at rosie o'donell or mimi from the drew carry show as prime contenders.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-31-2006, 10:37 PM
What a fantastic season for Larry Johnson. 1,789 yards. 19 total touchdowns. 11 100-yard games.

STUD.

azbroncfan
03-11-2007, 06:12 PM
I don't know about that to be honest. Tatum showed alot of improvement this year and was on track for about 1500 yards before his turf toe injury. I think it's very possible that Shanny will try to upgrade, but I wouldn't say it's a done deal.

Well your idea of Tatum wasn't quite the same as Shanny's. Can't believe you couldn't see that Shanny was done with the guy and played him last year by default.

Florida_Bronco
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
Well your idea of Tatum wasn't quite the same as Shanny's. Can't believe you couldn't see that Shanny was done with the guy and played him last year by default.

When you have a chance to trade a running back for one of the better corners in the league, you'd be stupid not to make that trade. Tatum's late season case of the fumbles sure hurt his stock alot too.

But it's all gravy now I guess, we got someone who is a better fit for our system.

Kaylore
03-12-2007, 05:12 AM
Larry Johnson: Racist crybaby whose knees are about to implode.

Bronx33
03-15-2007, 08:02 PM
SI: put the latest out on LJ

After setting an NFL record with 416 carries last season, Chiefs RB Larry Johnson didn't take much of a break. Instead, he hired a personal trainer with a reputation for keeping workhorse runners in peak condition. Johnson moved his off-season home from Las Vegas to New York City and started working out with Joe Carini, the man who trained Giants RB Tiki Barber from 2004 through last season. During his time with Carini, Barber produced the best three year span of his career, averaging 335 attempts and 1,680 rushing yards per season.

Carini, a power lifter, emphasizes heavy lifting with fewer reps and shorter rest periods. The idea is to condition a RB's body to produce bursts of strength and then recover quickly - exactly what the 27 year old Johnson needs on 30 carry afternoons. So even though he has rushed for 3,539 yards and 37 TD's over the last two seasons, a full off season with Carini could make him even more formidable in the long run.




Now if he would just address the real problem that being his attitude and i you ask me the most carries record don't mean shyt.
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400HZ
03-15-2007, 09:47 PM
SI: put the latest out on LJ

After setting an NFL record with 416 carries last season, Chiefs RB Larry Johnson didn't take much of a break. Instead, he hired a personal trainer with a reputation for keeping workhorse runners in peak condition. Johnson moved his off-season home from Las Vegas to New York City and started working out with Joe Carini, the man who trained Giants RB Tiki Barber from 2004 through last season. During his time with Carini, Barber produced the best three year span of his career, averaging 335 attempts and 1,680 rushing yards per season.

Carini, a power lifter, emphasizes heavy lifting with fewer reps and shorter rest periods. The idea is to condition a RB's body to produce bursts of strength and then recover quickly - exactly what the 27 year old Johnson needs on 30 carry afternoons. So even though he has rushed for 3,539 yards and 37 TD's over the last two seasons, a full off season with Carini could make him even more formidable in the long run.




Now if he would just address the real problem that being his attitude and i you ask me the most carries record don't mean shyt.
__________________

He'll be missing Will Shields badly.

Inkana7
03-18-2007, 02:18 PM
What a fantastic season for Larry Johnson. 1,789 yards. 19 total touchdowns. 11 100-yard games.

STUD.

He needed 80 more carries to get 39 more yards and 3 less rushing touchdowns than in 2005.

Maybe you can donate him a knee next season.

Florida_Bronco
03-18-2007, 03:38 PM
He needed 80 more carries to get 39 more yards and 3 less rushing touchdowns than in 2005.

Maybe you can donate him a knee next season.

Well Bob's knees don't have much wear and tear from physical activity, but I'd be concerned about all the stress his weight puts on them.

Los Broncos
03-18-2007, 03:44 PM
Well Bob's knees don't have much wear and tear from physical activity, but I'd be concerned about all the stress his weight puts on them.

Whats he going to bitch about this season?

azbroncfan
03-18-2007, 03:46 PM
Well Bob's knees don't have much wear and tear from physical activity, but I'd be concerned about all the stress his weight puts on them.

Amen to that. The lack of activity and packing around the extra pudge have his knees worse than LJ's.

Los Broncos
03-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Amen to that. The lack of activity and packing around the extra pudge have his knees worse than LJ's.

I need to lose a few pounds too. Get off of my fat ass sometime.

ORANGEJARHEAD
03-27-2007, 12:13 AM
Larry chokes.

Circle Orange
03-27-2007, 09:28 AM
I didn't go through all the threads here, but wasn't there a story out about KC vets going to management about getting rid of this guy, because he was a locker room cancer?

Natedogg
03-27-2007, 04:23 PM
This Larry Johnson is the real deal.

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Diaper Boy is just a gifted half wit that gets his jewelry stolen.

ZachKC
04-05-2007, 06:38 PM
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broncs2bowl
04-05-2007, 06:56 PM
WHy did you bring this back up

ZachKC
04-05-2007, 06:58 PM
WHy did you bring this back up

Thought they were interesting pictures. Kind of funny.

Mostly because as a registered user of this board I have the power to create posts that can at times cause threads that were not on the front page to show up there.

I am sick with power! Mwuahahaha!

Bob's your Information Minister
04-05-2007, 07:04 PM
I am sick with power! Mwuahahaha!

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Bob's your Information Minister
05-20-2007, 08:49 PM
Some of you may have forgotten the relatively benign manner in which Larry Johnson started 2006. Three rushing touchdowns and a paltry 3.4 yards per carry was the less-than-spectacular order over the first five weeks last season.

Sure, the offensive line wasn’t playing very well at the time, and Trent Green’s injury didn’t help the situation, but most people agreed Johnson was definitely lacking something – as if someone had cut Samson’s hair.

Kansas City Star columnist Joe Posnanski seemed to think along the same lines, and wrote a fantastic piece on the subject of Johnson’s power drain titled “Let’s restore LJ’s fire.” Whether it had any effect is debatable, but Larry did rebound almost immediately – almost like someone had flipped a switch.

Back to the present. Larry’s probably enjoying his 2006 offseason. He’s an established NFL star, soon he’ll (hopefully) have a bank account that will make LaDainian Tomlinson (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980099) jealous and no one has said anything about diapers or guns or girlfriends or even Willie Roaf (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2475254) for that matter.

Oh no. No. It’s happening again.

Larry is much too happy right now. He’s frolicking with metaphorical bunnies in the sunny, green offseason fields of delight. His allergies aren’t even acting up.

I’m serious. Every time I’ve turned around during the last five months, I see Larry Johnson (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980134) – but not the Larry Johnson I’ve come to know and love over the last three years.

I see Larry, but he’s smiling. He’s hobnobbing with stock market bigshots in New York, wearing pinstripes and grinning from ear to ear as he rings the NASDAQ bell.

He’s playing Easter Bunny (more bunnies?) with little kids on the Chiefs’ practice fields, wearing a Yankees cap (the Royals are for unhappy fans with masochistic tendencies), planting eggs and barely even talking about football.

He’s skipping around urban New York in mushy rap videos, his head in the sky as he rolls with passing homies, finally kissing Fantasia Barrino at the end of his magical journey (I am looking for a qualified hypnotherapist to help me suppress this memory).

And as of Tuesday, he’s on ESPN’s Jim Rome is Burning, but he’s hardly on fire. He’s showing off his painted Xbox (Halo over Madden? BAD LARRY! BAD!) and talking about his artistic talents.

“It’s what I went to school for,” says Larry of his creative abilities.

What?

No, Larry! NO! You went to school for FOOTBALL. Remember? Joe Paterno? Penn State? The fun group activity where you run over defenders and sprint past defensive backs and score touchdowns?

“I love Kansas City,” says Larry Johnson.

Oh no. No. This is not good. Someone get this man 300 cc’s of steroid-infused linebacker-standing-in-his-way, stat! We’re going to lose him!

Is LJ going to stand for “LoveJoy” by September? Will Mitch Holthus stop referring to Johnson as “The Doberman” and begin calling him “The Golden Retriever,” a breed of canine well-renowned for their happy disposition?

Larry’s just way too cheerful these days. Remember when the Chiefs gave Greg Wesley (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980187) all that money? He stopped hunting heads and started hunting wide open receivers.

What will happen if the Chiefs give $80 million to Johnson? Does he start running out of bounds? Will he lobby for running back by committee? Will he someday allow Denver’s DJ Williams to tackle him?

What can we do to halt this process?

For starters, we can get online with our Xboxes and defeat him using cheese tactics in a never-ending Madden assault. That should do the trick.

What’s Dick Vermeil doing these days? Probably just lounging around the house up at his Pennsylvania ranch. Let’s get him to prank call LJ a few times (Hey Larry, is Priest Holmes (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980205) running? Better go and catch him!). Better yet, he can mail him a few bags of flaming diapers.

Troy Polamalu (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2982004)’s probably not busy until training camp. Maybe he can run by Larry a few times a day, flipping that bushy hair around in his face. You know LJ can’t resist reaching out for a good, hard tug on the Pola-Mane.

I don’t know that any of this will really work. I’d think kissing Fantasia Barrino on the mouth would anger most American males, but we have no way of knowing what Jay-Z forced Johnson to do. Obviously, he’s dedicated to his career after football.

We do know that LJ wants to be remembered as one of the greatest running backs of all time, so there’s still a light at the end of the tunnel. If he’s happy right now, all we can do is hope Joe Carini (his offseason trainer) instilled a reservoir of anger, hate and linebacker-crushing rage in Johnson while he was in New York.

In the mean time, maybe we can all accept Johnson’s words at face value. Maybe he really does enjoy playing for the Chiefs and doesn’t want to be traded.

Larry Johnson loves Kansas City.

Perhaps it’s time that Kansas City started loving him back.

But don’t be too obvious about it.

Bronx33
05-20-2007, 11:07 PM
Will LJs cancer spread to the rest of the team? (stay tuned)

watermock
05-20-2007, 11:24 PM
Wishing it doesn't make it so Bobo.

What will happen if the Chiefs give $80 million to Johnson? Does he start running out of bounds?

God your an idiot. He is more likely to run out of bounds BEFORE he gets another contract, not after. Once he gets his pudding he's locked in. Another thing...saying your happy and being happy are two very different things. He allready has expressed dissatisfaction so don't spin it Bobo. He's putting on a brave face in hopes they redo his contract...of course, King Karl will be too stupid to get it done this year.

Killericon
05-20-2007, 11:24 PM
What will happen if the Chiefs give $80 million to Johnson? Does he start running out of bounds? Will he lobby for running back by committee? Will he someday allow Denver’s DJ Williams to tackle him?

That actually made me laugh a little.

Bronx33
05-20-2007, 11:40 PM
Will LJs knees hold up with another heavy work load? (stay tuned)

Bronx33
05-20-2007, 11:41 PM
Will LJ break his own gay worthless carries record?

gunns
05-20-2007, 11:43 PM
Behind that offensive line and all the crying he's done this off season will LJ look like the LJ in the Colts game?

Bronx33
05-20-2007, 11:48 PM
Will LJ make the shape of a butthole with the hands after each TD again?

Bronx33
05-20-2007, 11:49 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9904/larryjohnsonqi9we0.jpg

Los Broncos
05-21-2007, 12:12 AM
No way they can afford to run him another 400 times this season.

azbroncfan
05-21-2007, 12:19 AM
He is second best back in the league and they need to pay him like it. I think a 6 yr 80 mil will do.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-21-2007, 12:33 AM
Behind that offensive line and all the crying he's done this off season will LJ look like the LJ in the Colts game?

Link me to the crying LJ's done this offseason.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-21-2007, 12:34 AM
Will LJ make the shape of a butthole with the hands after each TD again?

I haven't seen too many triangular buttholes.

sixtimeseight
05-21-2007, 12:43 PM
Well, you've probably seen more buttholes than a 70 year old proctologist, so I'll take your word for it.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 12:28 AM
For Johnson, there’s a catch

Edwards plans for Chiefs’ tailback to have more balls thrown to him next season.

One year after setting an NFL record with 416 carries, Chiefs All-Pro Larry Johnson will likely become an ever bigger part of Kansas City’s offense in 2007.

So says head coach Herm Edwards, who on Wednesday expressed his intentions to get Johnson more touches not as a tailback — but as a receiver.

“That’s the next step in his development as a running back in this league: His ability to come out of the backfield running routes,” Edwards said. “We need to get the ball to our backs a little more than we did last year.”

Johnson caught a respectable 41 passes for 410 yards in 2006, but Edwards said that number should rise to at least 60 this season. He said Johnson’s bullish running style and 6-foot-1, 230-pound frame are ideal for a back who doubles as a receiver.

“If you’ve got athletic players like Larry who can catch the ball out of the backfield, they can make plays,” Edwards said. “If he catches 60 passes … to me it’s like an extended run. It’s almost like a toss play.

“He’s out of harm’s way and he’s in the secondary already when he gets the ball, so he doesn’t have to run through the defensive line. When you can do that with a guy who has some speed and is hard to tackle already in the open field because he’s so big and strong, it gives you another weapon.”

Of course, before he begins to worry about gaining yards, Johnson has to catch the ball first. Simple as the task may seem, it’s not always easy for running backs — especially those who haven’t been utilized in such a fashion before.

Johnson’s backup, Michael Bennett, said he caught just one pass during his collegiate career before becoming more of a receiving threat with the Minnesota Vikings, his former team.

“Hopefully they’ll use it a lot here, too,” Bennett said. “With the type of offense we have, everyone is looking for the run. It’d be a great thing to get the ball out of the backfield, that way we can keep the defense honest.

“It’s really just a matter of getting used to it,” Bennett said. “With catching, it’s just got to become a habit. I think we all catch the ball pretty well out of the backfield.”

That includes Johnson, who’s caught 74 passes the last two years. He also snared 41 passes as a senior at Penn State.

Edwards said it’s been obvious during the Chiefs’ organized team activities the last two weeks that Johnson is focused on enhancing his role as a receiver.

“He’s been the leader of the backs,” Edwards said. “He’s finishing all his plays. He’s very conscientious of coming out of the backfield and being a productive pass-catcher. He’s working on being more defined in his routes.”

Look at this bloody great beast:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4937/267chiefsme053007jpb095zn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Killericon
05-31-2007, 12:45 AM
One year after setting an NFL record with 416 carries, Chiefs All-Pro Larry Johnson will likely become an ever bigger part of Kansas City’s offense in 2007.

No wonder they won't give him a new contract.

24champ
05-31-2007, 12:54 AM
Johnson caught a respectable 41 passes for 410 yards in 2006, but Edwards said that number should rise to at least 60 this season. He said Johnson’s bullish running style and 6-foot-1, 230-pound frame are ideal for a back who doubles as a receiver.

“If you’ve got athletic players like Larry who can catch the ball out of the backfield, they can make plays,” Edwards said. “If he catches 60 passes … to me it’s like an extended run. It’s almost like a toss play.


Can Brodie Frayle make those type of throws?

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 12:58 AM
Can Brodie Frayle make those type of throws?

Why wouldn't he be able to?

24champ
05-31-2007, 01:13 AM
Why wouldn't he be able to?

Because I haven't seen him make one decent throw in the NFL.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 01:17 AM
Your logic is fairly amusing. I'm sure most any quarterback can dump the ball to a RB.

24champ
05-31-2007, 01:24 AM
Your logic is fairly amusing. I'm sure most any quarterback can dump the ball to a RB.

Most quarterbacks don't throw a pick on their first career throw either...

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 01:29 AM
Most quarterbacks don't throw a pick on their first career throw either...

Count Brodie Croyle among them.

shakenbake
05-31-2007, 01:32 AM
He is second best back in the league and they need to pay him like it. I think a 6 yr 80 mil will do.

I think he needs at a very minimum 30 million up front. If I was LJ I wouldn't play for the peanuts Carl and company are currently paying him.

24champ
05-31-2007, 01:46 AM
Count Brodie Croyle among them.

Excuse me Bob, I mean his first completion was an interception.:approve:

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 01:53 AM
Excuse me Bob, I mean his first completion was an interception.:approve:

Who cares? Judging Croyle on mopup duty from one game is completely meaningless.

bronco610
05-31-2007, 01:55 AM
:thumbsup: Of course it is Deer in the headlights, Deer in the head lights!!!!!!

Bronco LB 59
05-31-2007, 01:59 AM
Who cares? Judging Croyle on mopup duty from one game is completely meaningless.

We all know Croyle's practice session tapes and preseason game film are what really matter.

bronco610
05-31-2007, 02:00 AM
We all know Croyle's practice session tapes and preseason game film are what really matter.

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

24champ
05-31-2007, 02:13 AM
We all know Croyle's practice session tapes and preseason game film are what really matter.

http://members.airsoftcanada.com/digital_assasin/Forum%20Stuff/Misc/oh_snap.gif

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 02:14 AM
Have you ever considered going back to finish the 6th grade, Champ?

24champ
05-31-2007, 02:28 AM
Have you ever considered going back to finish the 6th grade, Champ?


What for? You need a freind in class or something?

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 02:32 AM
What for? You need a freind in class or something?

What the **** is a "freind?"

bronco610
05-31-2007, 02:37 AM
What for? You need a freind in class or something?

His only friend is the gerbil of the week if you know what I mean.

24champ
05-31-2007, 02:37 AM
What the **** is a "freind?"

Yeah I have a feeling that even if I spelled friend right , you still wouldn't know what it is.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-31-2007, 03:19 AM
His only friend is the gerble of the week if you know what I mean.

What the **** is a "gerble?" You two idiots might be the biggest morons this site has to offer outside of usedupbraids.

bronco610
05-31-2007, 03:27 AM
No I still believe you hold the title :thumbsup:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-13-2007, 10:01 PM
Seems like a real jerk!

http://kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/13/gretz_words_from_lj/

He doesn’t speak often, at least not for the local media. Larry Johnson guards his public utterances.

ljhaliThe media does not like that; they want to decide when a player talks, especially a star like L.J. That’s why they don’t like Johnson, because he won’t play ball with them under their rules. Instead, Johnson speaks when he wants. They don’t like what he says most of the time, which is OK with LJ because he doesn’t care what they think anyway. But it aggravates the media, especially those in the business who believe they are the arbitrators of all that is good and bad in the world of sports.

That’s why comments, whether they are written or spoken about Johnson, are usually so negative.

How does this effect Johnson’s standings with the fans? Not at all, and that’s what ticks off the media the most. When the Chiefs held their open mini-camp practice session inside Arrowhead Stadium, no player spent more time signing autographs than Johnson. He was the last player off the field, just as he was the year before. He all but walked some fans to their cars.

All this is a precursor to what figures to be a difficult time for the media. That would be the contract situation between the Chiefs and Johnson. In the fifth-year of his rookie deal, Johnson can void the final two seasons and become a free agent after the 2007 season. Talks have already begun between the Chiefs and Johnson’s agent on a contract extension

Generally the media likes to take sides in these situations, but they will have a hard time in this one because they don’t like Johnson or Carl Peterson. They are already predicting a nasty holdout and a major distraction for the team. They are planting seeds that the deal is already causing ripples in the Chiefs locker room.

So, is all this a distraction for Johnson? He hasn’t spoken about it before.

“It’s not much of a distraction right now,” Johnson said. “It will be a distraction when it gets down to the wire. I know how this organization works and everything is going to be taken real slow, at their own pace. Hopefully it will work out for the better.

“You can’t let it get to you. You want the contract to be done on your time, and that’s when you get frustrated and a lot of things get out of whack. You just need to step back from the situation and let it develop on its own, and see where it comes out at the end. I’m prepared to do that. I am doing that.”

Does he have a timetable for completion of this new deal?

“Not really, but I would like to get it done sooner than later,” he said. “I don’t have a wife and kids, but it’s definitely something you want to set up for the future for your family.”

Some parts of the media say Johnson is a problem in the Chiefs locker room, that his teammates do not like him, that he’s a divisive figure. Of course, these media types never name names when the say his teammates don’t care for him. No sources, nothing tangible, just rumor mongering. They are predicting this contract situation will create a greater divide between No. 27 and the other players on the roster.

How does Johnson react to this type of thing?

ljoak”I blow it off,” said Johnson. “The guys I play with are grown men and if they really had a problem with me, trust me, they would have come over to me and said ‘you are doing this, you are doing that wrong, or why do you do this?’ Nobody has said anything to me.

“I’ve never see myself as being a problem in the locker room. There have been times at half-time in the locker room where I have stood up and said, ‘Hey, this is what we need to do more of.’ But I’ve never called out any player in the media or in the locker room, to make somebody feel embarrassed.

“They need to understand where I’m coming from. I want to win and not so much win for me, but win for guys that have been here a long time. Last year I wanted to win for guys like Will Shields and Trent Green. When you get in the middle of the game and you get heated, you want to go out and win not so much for yourself, but for the team and put a smile on everybody’s face. That’s always been my focus.”

As Johnson opens his fifth season with the team, he’s seventh on the roster in team seniority. Only Tony Gonzalez, Greg Wesley, Jason Dunn, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters and Eddie Kennison have been with the team longer.

Does that force L.J. into taking a more vocal leadership role with this young group of teammates?

“I feel like I have to lead by example,” said Johnson. “That’s what I like to do. You can get an older guy up there and have him talk all day about what he did or didn’t do, but what it comes down with those young guys, seeing is believing. If they don’t see you doing it on the field, they are not going to follow you. I would rather have guys feed off my energy and what I do on the field. I will say something every now and then, but I won’t be making any Al Pacino speeches. I’m going to make them follow me by what I do on the field.”

His goal for 2007 is simple, direct and has nothing to do with yards, carries or touchdowns.

“I want to win a Super Bowl,” said Johnson. “I’ve never played in a big, big game in my whole career. I had one big game and that’s when I played 115-pound Pop Warner football and we won the championship. At that time, it didn’t feel like a championship because I was just into having fun. I didn’t realize it was a championship game and what that meant.

“I really want to get to the Super Bowl and be in that atmosphere.”

azbroncfan
06-13-2007, 10:27 PM
“I really want to get to the Super Bowl and be in that atmosphere.”

Well I guess he will be leaving KC then or he can re-up and wait until KC hosts a SB because that is his only chance at it.

Malcontent
06-13-2007, 11:08 PM
How did this thread EVER get to 740 posts? Amazing..

youcandoit1687
06-14-2007, 01:01 PM
The thread that just won't die...

Bob's your Information Minister
09-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Today was a great day.

LARRY JOHNSON FOREVER!

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2196/22103509hy6rg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bronx33
09-18-2007, 08:18 PM
You get a new LJ poster to get all sticky?

KCStud
09-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Are you bagging on LJ even though he had what like 7 straight 100 yard games?

Let's see...is Cutler the real deal or not?

Cutler wins

Arizona-18th in league last year. 10th in pass defense not bad.
Cincy-Dead last in pass defense last year
Buffalo-31st in defense. Tied for 27th in pass defense
Oakland-28th in overall defense. 29th in pass defense

So I guess Cutler can only torch bad defenses huh?

Bronx33
09-18-2007, 09:14 PM
Stay on the subject KCstud your on the verge of looking foolish again.

Kaylore
09-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Stay on the subject KCstud your on the verge of looking foolish again.

What? You mean the "he played well" argument isn't convincing us the other way? You mean that we don't have control over who we play on our schedule? Whatever.

I like when KCStud tries to change the subject and only makes himself look more and more like an idiot. ROFL!

KCStud
09-18-2007, 10:39 PM
What? You mean the "he played well" argument isn't convincing us the other way? You mean that we don't have control over who we play on our schedule? Whatever.

I like when KCStud tries to change the subject and only makes himself look more and more like an idiot. ROFL!

It's in response to the original post moron

Bob's your Information Minister
09-30-2007, 08:57 PM
Larry rips off his first 100-yard game of the season today against a very tough run D. SO MUCH FOR THOSE 400 CARRIES, KAYLORE.