Rules of engagement in Iraq: Kill them all

[mhgaffney]

This shocking report appeared in a San Luis Obispo newpaper:

A US soldier has testified that his army buddies, who are accused of murdering Iraqis, warned him that they would kill him if he testified about what he witnessed. He also says that his commanding officer told the troops to kill them all, i.e., take no prisoners.

When you put troops in an impossible situation like Iraq this is the sort of horrible thing that is bound to happen. The only answer is to get the troops out of there. Bring them home.

Given the scope of the Iraqi disaster true American patriots should be calling for Bush's immediate impeachment. But what do we see? More smoke screens and diversions. The super patriots proceed to attack the messenger, Murtha, etc. because they don't like the message. Yet Murtha is merely the voice of pentagon generals who hate the war policy but can't speak out in public.

Don't take my word for it. Here's the report.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/breaking_news/15179611.htm

[errand]

...or could it be that when our troops are not allowed to fight like they're suppose to and are fighting an enemy that uses women and children as shields, this is bound to happen.

When will you freaking libs realize that you and your compadres in the media nothing but the radical Islamic terrorists willing accomplices in undermining the war effort.

You weep for the innocent Iraqi's who have died in this war, but think Saddam (who murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's) should have been left alone....what's wrong with that picture?

Bottom line - You don't really care about the deaths of innocent Iraqi's unless it can forward your cut and run agenda.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...or could it be that when our troops are not allowed to fight like they're suppose to and are fighting an enemy that uses women and children as shields, this is bound to happen.

How would this bullsh*t argument account for the actions of U.S. soldiers who barge into the homes of civilians in the middle of the night and rape/murder them?

When will you freaking libs realize that you and your compadres in the media nothing but the radical Islamic terrorists willing accomplices in undermining the war effort.

When will you right-wing spin monkeys quit playing "attack the messenger" in an effort to provide cover and concealment for criminal behavior?

You weep for the innocent Iraqi's who have died in this war, but think Saddam (who murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's) should have been left alone....what's wrong with that picture?

Whereas your idiotic belief that removing Saddam would either make things better for the Iraqi people or serve America's long-term interests turned out to be a crock of sh*t, and Bush's illegal invasion/occupation has simply brought more of the same pain, suffering, misery, and death to the Iraqi people that Saddam inflicted.

Bottom line - You don't really care about the deaths of innocent Iraqi's unless it can forward your cut and run agenda.

Bottom line: You don't care about the deaths of innocent Iraqis because that would mean holding Bush accountable for his illegal and disastrous war.

You don't care about the deaths of innocent Iraqis because you are a hate-filled bigot and a warmonger for whom all Muslims are terrorists.

(Here's the part where you give me a cute little Arabic name.)

[mosca]

When you put troops in an impossible situation like Iraq this is the sort of horrible thing that is bound to happen. The only answer is to get the troops out of there. Bring them home.
While the U.S. troops' track record in Iraq isn't spotless, off the top of my head, there are only four incidents that have hit the mainstream media so far in the over 3 years of occupation. This one, Haditha, the rape/slaying of the girl and her family, and Abu Ghraib. Compare this to most any other war in U.S. history which involved prolonged use of ground forces. In no way are these actions acceptable... At the same time, I wouldn't say that they justify a kneejerk reaction calling for all U.S. troops to abandon their mission and leave Iraq immediately.

[defenseman]

Bottom line - You don't really care about the deaths of innocent Iraqi's unless it can forward your cut and run agenda.[/B]

Errand, this statement is the reason they do anything. If it forwards their agenda, they sound the trumpets. They ARE NOT truly worried about america or it's citizens, just that they have the majority and get to wheel and deal as they see fit. America, and what can be done to make it better, is of no consequence. The interesting thing is , what they try to twist at every turn into a reason to cut and run. Very entertaining most of the time. .....dman

[mhgaffney]

Murtha hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that the mess in Iraq was the work of men who never served in combat. They never served themselves yet are only too willing to send others to die. We know them. Rumsfeld. Cheney, and especially Bush, who used his wealth and priviledge to escape military service.

Americans should be holding these mad men responsible for the disaster they have caused, which has killed 250,000 Iraqis and 2500 US troops -- and wounded many more. This war has caused great damage to our nation and the world. But of course that would require the knee jerks to connect the dots, something they are incapable of...

Instead they bash the messenger. So typical of denial.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

[/B]

Errand, this statement is the reason they do anything. If it forwards their agenda, they sound the trumpets. They ARE NOT truly worried about america or it's citizens, just that they have the majority and get to wheel and deal as they see fit. America, and what can be done to make it better, is of no consequence. The interesting thing is , what they try to twist at every turn into a reason to cut and run. Very entertaining most of the time. .....dman

Care to explain just who "they" are "that have the majority"? Also, want to explain why we should suffer thousands of causalities and spend trillions to remain in Iraq to police a religious civil war?

[errand]

Murtha hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that the mess in Iraq was the work of men who never served in combat. They never served themselves yet are only too willing to send others to die. We know them. Rumsfeld. Cheney, and especially Bush, who used his wealth and priviledge to escape military service.

Americans should be holding these mad men responsible for the disaster they have caused, which has killed 250,000 Iraqis and 2500 US troops -- and wounded many more. This war has caused great damage to our nation and the world. But of course that would require the knee jerks to connect the dots, something they are incapable of...

Instead they bash the messenger. So typical of denial.

Well I've never smoked crack cocaine...but I'm not about to start in order to have better idea of why crackheads are addicted to it. The point being, you don't have to serve in combat to know it's time to roll up the sleeves and get going with kicking ass.

What's amazing is all these Dems who have served in combat that want to cut and run at the first sign of trouble...makes me wonder how reliable they really were in combat.

BTW the term cut and run wasn't used initially by us warmongers...it was used in Osama's message to his jihadists...when he told them that america was a paper tiger that would cut and run as soon as they take on few casualties. Gee, I wonder where he got that impression from?

[Rohirrim]

Well I've never smoked crack cocaine...but I'm not about to start in order to have better idea of why crackheads are addicted to it. The point being, you don't have to serve in combat to know it's time to roll up the sleeves and get going with kicking ass.

What's amazing is all these Dems who have served in combat that want to cut and run at the first sign of trouble...makes me wonder how reliable they really were in combat.

BTW the term cut and run wasn't used initially by us warmongers...it was used in Osama's message to his jihadists...when he told them that america was a paper tiger that would cut and run as soon as they take on few casualties. Gee, I wonder where he got that impression from?

What a joke. Did it ever occur to any of you brickheads that America is not supposed to waste the lives of its citizens on macho adventurism? Did you know that the architects of Vietnam now admit that the whole reason for that war was a mistake? In other words, 58,000 Americans died for the mistakes of a few warmongers. Maybe those who have fought realize that the blood of their countrymen is too precious to waste on the saber rattling of some chickenhawk who doesn't have the class to control his own testosterone - especially those punks who have never been fired upon and yet feel they can question the "reliability" of those who have. If you ain't been there, you're nothing but mouth.

The U.S. gets less than 8% of its oil from the ME. Perhaps you could explain what our "vital American interests" in the region are? Why are we spilling the blood of Americans to protect Europe and Japan's oil? Why are we supporting regimes like the Saudis, who are working behind the scenes to destroy us (supporting Al Queda). Why does the U.S. support dictators? Why do we send the majority of our foreign aid tax dollars to Israel? After all, England is responsible for the Balfour declaration. Not us.

Someday, when Bush/Cheney/Rice etc. retire to their gold plated, oil company funded retirements, you'll realize you were played for a fool. Keep voting for those neocons. Keep sending your children to die for oil company profits. Like WC Fields said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

[Rohirrim]

Every American should indulge themselves in a little mental game. Sit in a quiet place. Close you eyes. Now imagine that the Middle East suddenly has no oil. I mean not one drop. None. Zero crude oil products of any kind. Nothing but empty desert. Imagine that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Israel, Iran are suddenly no different than Uganda, Rwanda, Congo, etc. Now argue what America's vital interests are in the region.

There is a great cartoon in the current New Yorker. Two fat politicians are walking down the steps of the capitol. One is saying to the other, "Of course, it would be different if we could extract oil from stem cells."

[W*GS]

The existence of crude oil in such vast easily-extracted quantities in the ME, and the dependence of the global economy upon that crude, almost makes me believe in God, a God that plays cruel jokes on humanity.

[mhgaffney]

It's about cutting our losses -- not cut and run.

BTW, this cut and run groupthink is sheer pop psychology -- a fetish of American militarists. Those who know how the Arab mind works have said that a US withdrawal would not be interpreted by Arabs as a sign of weakness, but as an indication that America is capable of learning from its mistakes and acting wisely.

The truth is there is no good outcome to the Iraqi mess. The war is unwinnable and has been for more than a year.

[defenseman]

It's about cutting our losses -- not cut and run.

BTW, this cut and run groupthink is sheer pop psychology -- a fetish of American militarists. Those who know how the Arab mind works have said that a US withdrawal would not be interpreted by Arabs as a sign of weakness, but as an indication that America is capable of learning from its mistakes and acting wisely.
The truth is there is no good outcome to the Iraqi mess. The war is unwinnable and has been for more than a year.

The bold will never happen, the terrorists and Iran will ensure of that. Second, the arab mind? How it works? What, is it different than ours? The only mind I'm interested in is the "terrorists" mind, and the interest lies in ensuring it is splattered on the deck at every opportunity that can be had. The Arab's mind? No need to worry about them, just the terrorists...dman

[footstepsfrom#27]

There's no fool like an old fool.

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[Rohirrim]

"Cut and Run" is just another Karl Rove sound bite to prop up this complete failure of a president by smearing those who have the sense to oppose him. One more Swift Boat slur where the deferment monkeys smear the names of the real patriots. Only the dimmest 30% of the American population can still support this loser - and all they do is parrot talk radio sound bites.

Look. 9/11 happened. We went after Al Queda in Afghanistan. But we didn't go in hard enough. Bin Laden escaped. Then, this administration of chickenhawks bamboozled the American people through lies and misrepresentations to invade Iraq, something the neocons have been drooling over for 15 years. But once again, they went in weak. They ignored years of military planning. They pretended they were generals, but they have failed miserably. They are incompetent. They are losers. Any president worth half a damn would have fired the majority of these generals, and Rummy, years ago. At the beginning of WWII, George Marshall fired over a hundred of the upper chain of command. Why? Because he knew they were incompetent. Bush has only fired those who tell him the truth about his failed policies and ideas.

We already know that Iraq was a lie and a mistake. How many more Americans should die for it?

[Atlas]

attention everyone just in case you didn't know..... it's all about the oil.

Thank you you can go back to your regularly schedule bickering.

[TailgateNut]

"Cut and Run" is just another Karl Rove sound bite to prop up this complete failure of a president by smearing those who have the sense to oppose him. One more Swift Boat slur where the deferment monkeys smear the names of the real patriots. Only the dimmest 30% of the American population can still support this loser - and all they do is parrot talk radio sound bites.

Look. 9/11 happened. We went after Al Queda in Afghanistan. But we didn't go in hard enough. Bin Laden escaped. Then, this administration of chickenhawks bamboozled the American people through lies and misrepresentations to invade Iraq, something the neocons have been drooling over for 15 years. But once again, they went in weak. They ignored years of military planning. They pretended they were generals, but they have failed miserably. They are incompetent. They are losers. Any president worth half a damn would have fired the majority of these generals, and Rummy, years ago. At the beginning of WWII, George Marshall fired over a hundred of the upper chain of command. Why? Because he knew they were incompetent. Bush has only fired those who tell him the truth about his failed policies and ideas.

We already know that Iraq was a lie and a mistake. How many more Americans should die for it?


When their war profiteering coffers are full, and our nation's debt is beyond comprehension is when they will finally "cut and run"!

[Atlas]

While the U.S. troops' track record in Iraq isn't spotless, off the top of my head, there are only four incidents that have hit the mainstream media so far in the over 3 years of occupation. This one, Haditha, the rape/slaying of the girl and her family, and Abu Ghraib. Compare this to most any other war in U.S. history which involved prolonged use of ground forces. In no way are these actions acceptable... At the same time, I wouldn't say that they justify a kneejerk reaction calling for all U.S. troops to abandon their mission and leave Iraq immediately.

I was in a convoy where one of the guard trucks emptied his 50 cal into a taxi cab for basically no reason. They got back to Baghdad and wrote it up saying the cab was acting suspicious and then tried to ram them. All bull**** of course. A week later on that same road we were attack by three IEDs. I pretty much know it was in retalliation for what the soldiers did the week before.

[defenseman]

attention everyone just in case you didn't know..... it's all about the oil.

Thank you you can go back to your regularly schedule bickering.

I more and more am convinced oil is a "player" in this entire scenario..dman

[TailgateNut]

I more and more am convinced oil is a "player" in this entire scenario..dman

We surely are not there to develop waterfront resorts!